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On June 17 2015 15:12 Damdred wrote:
Negative you unvoting and voting chocolate would of had a different result as you wouldn't of been off the table for a couple cycles.
I'm not mad at all or anything you guys played great
I totally agree with Damdred here, it makes a lot more sense for scum to swap to choco as it is easy towncred but changes little about town losing the blue role. I highly doubt rit or many other players would have given Milo so much towncred had it not been for the threat of the modkill there. It was the risk of what looked like (and kinda was from Milo's post game post about this) a paniced Unvote with no follow up vote that made the move so towny.
If you noitice I was not only freaking out at Milo in QT but I held off reading him ingame for this move till I saw that rit and others felt it was so towny. I would have had no issues bussing Milo D2 or D3 had he simply revoted Choco since the scum logic of that move was so much more clear cut. With the way things played out I tried to push the logic that Milo couldn't be scum there unless Choco was also scum D3. I really hoped that IF and ONLY IF logic would not only help push Choco for lynch but help secure Milo's towncred when Choco fliped.
I can't help but wonder how the game would have played out if D1 had ended with 2 ModKills, a Choco lynch, and a KS NightKill. I bet town would win in that situation as GG and Choco were perfect mislynches for my team. Also damdred & rit working together as town, with Shen and VE ... Scary for a newbie scum team. Onegu would have been my top push in that world, though I would possibly would have bussed the living hell out of nydus there as well.
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So, I get people might not want to help me improve my scumgame after this game... 
However, since this was my first game as Mafia I'm fairly interested in what had people scumreading me this game.
I understood GG's reason given the Chez rule stuff, though I think his approach needs some work. Chez thrives off reactive reading from what i can gather, so I think the way that you ignored my responses regardless of you being right or not about me was bad play. Since the rest of GG's scum reads were so far off I kinda take it that it was luck that you pinged me out. Also I have no issues voting rit like I did as town, so yea...
I'm not so clear on why other people had issues with my play early on. I guess I was able to turn those opinions around on my own, but still wondering what people saw that made them think I was scum.
In my own opinion the only really telling things were how I kept scumming Nydus but never really pushed him (thankfully that described about half the players) and my attempt to push Damdred off the D1 mislynch. Other than a few other small things like that I was really just trying to play my town game.
Oh, btw statements like this cracked me up all game long.
If you are scum TicTock you deserve the win from how much you improved, so let's throw that out.
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Yeah if I'd had another day I could have been convinced to change votes. Last day I was trying to reevaluate, but certain things kept dragging me back to the illogical world I'd crafted. The problem was that TT looked town enough for he and Milo, and scott didn't look town enough for he and Onegu fmp. Scott looked kinda townie, but the fact that he seemed to be SURE about Onegu being town looked bad to me, especially given that TT looked like he was considering a lynch on milo. That just LOOKED like the townie pair to me.
I thought about it last night and objectively it seems obvious that since I was left alive, I should have wondered why. My bad town. I failed you.
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On June 18 2015 00:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah if I'd had another day I could have been convinced to change votes. Last day I was trying to reevaluate, but certain things kept dragging me back to the illogical world I'd crafted. The problem was that TT looked town enough for he and Milo, and scott didn't look town enough for he and Onegu fmp. Scott looked kinda townie, but the fact that he seemed to be SURE about Onegu being town looked bad to me, especially given that TT looked like he was considering a lynch on milo. That just LOOKED like the townie pair to me.
I thought about it last night and objectively it seems obvious that since I was left alive, I should have wondered why. My bad town. I failed you.
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see policy lynches are legit ;p
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modkills are dumb most of the time well hosted
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There's a few things I could've improved too, that drunk post was really bad, I need to avoid those - and like VE said, I should've tried a push earlier instead of waiting on the vote.
I thought it would be easier to get Milo to crack/slip/etc then Tictock, and TT was a little more town read - so that's why I started my case on him, I thought it was the best strategy.
TT you kind of want to play your town game - but if it's too townie, yes you'll run into the "why am I still alive" category - I could see over Shen (he was rocking it for a replacement for a day) but over Fidei? That's when people should get suspicious.
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I will not let it go. I will hold this loss close to my heart for generations. It will serve as a reminder.
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On June 18 2015 04:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
I will not let it go. I will hold this loss close to my heart for generations. It will serve as a reminder.
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Scum onegu lynches damdy with 5 sec left.
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VE - no worries. It's tough being the only one left stuck in between two warring factions. Just remember for next time - ALWAYS LYNCH TICKTOCK :-)
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On June 18 2015 07:15 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - no worries. It's tough being the only one left stuck in between two warring factions. Just remember for next time - ALWAYS LYNCH TICKTOCK :-)
My "Always Lynch" card is full though...
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On June 18 2015 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 07:15 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - no worries. It's tough being the only one left stuck in between two warring factions. Just remember for next time - ALWAYS LYNCH TICKTOCK :-) My "Always Lynch" card is full though...
/waves
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On June 18 2015 07:15 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - no worries. It's tough being the only one left stuck in between two warring factions. Just remember for next time - ALWAYS LYNCH TICKTOCK :-)
Hey now...
That might be fair if I'm not catching scum... I actually have a pretty good history of catching scum D1. Though I also get tunneled sometimes and that can effect my reads pretty badly.
I'll be keeping that in mind the next time I roll Mafia though ^.^
Also pretty likely I'll be changing up me meta whenever I decide to /in another game.
This was my 3rd game of Mafia ever btw ( forum based or otherwise) so I'm still learning a lot.
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At one point during the game I was prepared to swear on a stack of bibles that Scott was scum. So there's that. Being wrong sucks.
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Btw, a conversation between hosts:
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On June 18 2015 04:04 scott31337 wrote:
TT you kind of want to play your town game - but if it's too townie, yes you'll run into the "why am I still alive" category - I could see over Shen (he was rocking it for a replacement for a day) but over Fidei? That's when people should get suspicious.
This is pretty mythical. I've been high profile on this site for several years now and I've never been lynched as mafia because I was still alive, even though it gets mentioned a lot.
If your biggest problem as mafia is "looking too towny", you're in a pretty sweet spot.
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On June 19 2015 18:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:04 scott31337 wrote:
TT you kind of want to play your town game - but if it's too townie, yes you'll run into the "why am I still alive" category - I could see over Shen (he was rocking it for a replacement for a day) but over Fidei? That's when people should get suspicious.
This is pretty mythical. I've been high profile on this site for several years now and I've never been lynched as mafia because I was still alive, even though it gets mentioned a lot. If your biggest problem as mafia is "looking too towny", you're in a pretty sweet spot.
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This was another of the reasons I was on Scott's ass - because he was chasing this "unicorn" of "you're still alive = mafia". Obviously it worked out this way, but from my experience the VAST majority of people who play this card end up being mafia themselves. 
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On June 19 2015 18:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2015 04:04 scott31337 wrote:
TT you kind of want to play your town game - but if it's too townie, yes you'll run into the "why am I still alive" category - I could see over Shen (he was rocking it for a replacement for a day) but over Fidei? That's when people should get suspicious.
This is pretty mythical. I've been high profile on this site for several years now and I've never been lynched as mafia because I was still alive, even though it gets mentioned a lot. If your biggest problem as mafia is "looking too towny", you're in a pretty sweet spot.
never been lynched because of it but doesn't mean it isn't slightly true
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