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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 16 2015 22:26 GMT
#2381
@Damdred

Was reading Obs QT, and was wondering what you meant by this
It also really bothered me that tt was so a f2f k the whole game,lol


Also HtS had OGI that unfairly influenced her obs read of me

I'd been hoping to roll town or another blue this game, as I felt a bit worn out after NSMX. When I saw that I rolled GF and my team wasn't very experienced I figured I'd play as towny as I could while not pinging out my team (though I was ready to bus them right away, lol). I think scotts argument about me being alive too long woulda worked to bring me down if I had had to buss Milo D5.

I mean, I prob would have needed to concede if VE swapped to Milo as then the reality of him and I being a team was too clear. I really wanted to try and push a world where Onegu/Milo coulda been a team, or Scott/Milo to see if Onegu would give up his townread on scott. That was actually what I was hoping for with my team/logic post but when I was writing it it became clear that the votes D4 disproved a lot of team possibilities.
I can take that responsibility.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-16 22:27:56
June 16 2015 22:27 GMT
#2382
This game is an object of studies. I will be posting them as soon as they are finished, especially a post-per-post analysis I have yet to finish.

I want to apologise you guys for all the hosting problems we had this time. This includes:

  • Lack of votecounts, and errors
  • Delay on important posts
  • Lack of promised flavour
  • Unclear rules


As you guys probably know, I've cohosted before, but this is the first time I HOST a game, and I realised a lot of things that I did wrong and had to prepare BEFORE starting the game.

One of these things is the flavour. I thought I would be able to create flavour according to the game progression. But I couldn't be reading all the time and since the game direction is unpredictable, I can't prepare the flavour until the very last minutes before a kill/lynch. Then I found myself without time for writing it. Then I realised it was impossible.

I am TRULY sorry for all the flaws, and I promise Chapter 2 will be better.

Thank you for in game behaviour and for your patience with my hosting failures!
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 16 2015 22:31 GMT
#2383
I think I gave a few points regarding hosting in the obs qt, but send a PM if you have questions on anything else.

GG WP scumteam, especially Tictock.

Yes, honestly to me, you were auto-lynch D4, but understandably a lot of people didn't see that. Then again I know you too well
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 16 2015 22:44 GMT
#2384
On June 17 2015 07:31 Half the Sky wrote:
I think I gave a few points regarding hosting in the obs qt, but send a PM if you have questions on anything else.

GG WP scumteam, especially Tictock.

Yes, honestly to me, you were auto-lynch D4, but understandably a lot of people didn't see that. Then again I know you too well


Thank you. I'll be re reading host qt for carnaval and the obs qt

Newbies, just remember that making reads on the vacuum of the obs qt is way easier than having the correct reads playing, because you have also to prove your innocence AND to push your reads, and to care for deciding on who to vote.
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 16 2015 22:45 GMT
#2385
Alright, in that case, I'll post some of the key things I felt in that QT, will reopen.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 16 2015 22:46 GMT
#2386
Where is the OBS qt?
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 16 2015 22:50 GMT
#2387
@ Milo

GB added both QTs to the Endgame post.

@GB

I'm looking forward to your post-per-post analysis

Also I would read flavor if you went back to add it in *nudge nudge*
I can take that responsibility.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 16 2015 23:10 GMT
#2388
On June 17 2015 07:50 Tictock wrote:
@ Milo

GB added both QTs to the Endgame post.

@GB

I'm looking forward to your post-per-post analysis

Also I would read flavor if you went back to add it in *nudge nudge*


Oh really? I'm gonna do that later.

Funny thing though, in the first day you've killed Alex Proudman, and at night scum killed Lauren Proudman, his wife. It was an awesome coincidence. It just felt like it was meant to be
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 16 2015 23:11 GMT
#2389
I'm not sure if I should do a chronological analysis (like, following the thread pages) or separate players filters.
What do you guys think?
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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 16 2015 23:35 GMT
#2390
Chronological sounds more interesting to me, but it's your call. Your the one doing it ^.^
I can take that responsibility.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 16 2015 23:39 GMT
#2391
Actually, I'm curious gb why you didn't mod kill ggt and mil. You really should have
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 17 2015 01:53 GMT
#2392
On June 17 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:
Actually, I'm curious gb why you didn't mod kill ggt and mil. You really should have


The reasonings I gave were legit.

What is a justified reason? When do you justify it and how do you justify it?

I just felt that my rules were too obscure for me to judge those failure to votes. Then I assumed all votes were justifiable. If they are all justifiable, a warning was on the rules, not a modkill.

+ I felt it was better for the game to keep them alive instead of killing them. Either way it would be balanced, I think. Just a better option to keep them alive

+ both players are newbies (or didn't play for a long time) so it is more acceptable that they don't have a good grasp of the rules as much as experienced players have, so being more lenient is wiser

but the main factor was the obscurity of the rules
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 17 2015 02:13 GMT
#2393
I thought the rules were decently clear vote and not be modkilled unless something monumental happened.

Templar voted in thread but not vote thread when it was clear. Milo invited for town cred, cause why would a mafia risk a mod kill.

Both had ample opportunity to revote (Milo had 6-10 minutes ) I believe.

I just think both knew the rules but not necessarily what plurality meant and Milo games the system a bit for town cred which was a hit meh.

But its not that important
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 17 2015 02:21 GMT
#2394
On June 17 2015 11:13 Damdred wrote:
I thought the rules were decently clear vote and not be modkilled unless something monumental happened.

Templar voted in thread but not vote thread when it was clear. Milo invited for town cred, cause why would a mafia risk a mod kill.

Both had ample opportunity to revote (Milo had 6-10 minutes ) I believe.

I just think both knew the rules but not necessarily what plurality meant and Milo games the system a bit for town cred which was a hit meh.

But its not that important


I've talked to him at the scum QT and he said he panicked.

His Unvote was very close to deadline.

Do you think being panicked is a justification? If you don't, what in the rules you can use to say "according to the rules, this isn't justification?".

Same goes to GGTemplar. The guy voted in thread (common in some games) but didn't vote in the QT. If he says he isn't used to voting threads, is this a justification (granting just a warning) or not?

Understand my problem here? I couldn't modkill them without being arbitrary. And being arbitrary is bad...
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 17 2015 02:37 GMT
#2395
Thanks for hosting and every one who joined!
Next time..
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 17 2015 06:07 GMT
#2396
On June 17 2015 11:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 11:13 Damdred wrote:
I thought the rules were decently clear vote and not be modkilled unless something monumental happened.

Templar voted in thread but not vote thread when it was clear. Milo invited for town cred, cause why would a mafia risk a mod kill.

Both had ample opportunity to revote (Milo had 6-10 minutes ) I believe.

I just think both knew the rules but not necessarily what plurality meant and Milo games the system a bit for town cred which was a hit meh.

But its not that important


I've talked to him at the scum QT and he said he panicked.

His Unvote was very close to deadline.

Do you think being panicked is a justification? If you don't, what in the rules you can use to say "according to the rules, this isn't justification?".

Same goes to GGTemplar. The guy voted in thread (common in some games) but didn't vote in the QT. If he says he isn't used to voting threads, is this a justification (granting just a warning) or not?

Understand my problem here? I couldn't modkill them without being arbitrary. And being arbitrary is bad...


Honestlybi understand the plight however

It was clearly stated several times that there was a vote thread and he put that vote in the thread way early in the cycle. So it comes under the responsibility of the player to make sure they don't get mod killed.

Milo is a hit harder than that, this type of situation is not uncommon during shenanigans etc when people are trying to move about. While it was really close to deadline he could of simply invited and voted chocolate or voted somewhere else or stayed afk on Ks.

However template way of doing things wasn't exactly gaming the system as he could still be scum and doing that. Milo was somewhat unfairly helped by the rule to the extent because what scum motivation is there in that.

I'm not faulting you or Milo. It was the rule and the rule was followed to an arguable extent, my only thing would be not to put arbitrary rules with grey areas in at one point. I'm not even upset because he was easy to catch after a point. Sometimes even with no grey areas people get away with warnings which I understand just the wording next time be clearer
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 17 2015 06:08 GMT
#2397
Personally I think me unvoting/voting chocolate as I should have done would have had the exact same effect.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 17 2015 06:12 GMT
#2398
Negative you unvoting and voting chocolate would of had a different result as you wouldn't of been off the table for a couple cycles.

I'm not mad at all or anything you guys played great
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 17 2015 06:45 GMT
#2399
On June 17 2015 15:07 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 11:21 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 17 2015 11:13 Damdred wrote:
I thought the rules were decently clear vote and not be modkilled unless something monumental happened.

Templar voted in thread but not vote thread when it was clear. Milo invited for town cred, cause why would a mafia risk a mod kill.

Both had ample opportunity to revote (Milo had 6-10 minutes ) I believe.

I just think both knew the rules but not necessarily what plurality meant and Milo games the system a bit for town cred which was a hit meh.

But its not that important


I've talked to him at the scum QT and he said he panicked.

His Unvote was very close to deadline.

Do you think being panicked is a justification? If you don't, what in the rules you can use to say "according to the rules, this isn't justification?".

Same goes to GGTemplar. The guy voted in thread (common in some games) but didn't vote in the QT. If he says he isn't used to voting threads, is this a justification (granting just a warning) or not?

Understand my problem here? I couldn't modkill them without being arbitrary. And being arbitrary is bad...


Honestlybi understand the plight however

It was clearly stated several times that there was a vote thread and he put that vote in the thread way early in the cycle. So it comes under the responsibility of the player to make sure they don't get mod killed.

Milo is a hit harder than that, this type of situation is not uncommon during shenanigans etc when people are trying to move about. While it was really close to deadline he could of simply invited and voted chocolate or voted somewhere else or stayed afk on Ks.

However template way of doing things wasn't exactly gaming the system as he could still be scum and doing that. Milo was somewhat unfairly helped by the rule to the extent because what scum motivation is there in that.

I'm not faulting you or Milo. It was the rule and the rule was followed to an arguable extent, my only thing would be not to put arbitrary rules with grey areas in at one point. I'm not even upset because he was easy to catch after a point. Sometimes even with no grey areas people get away with warnings which I understand just the wording next time be clearer


Yeah I understand what you're saying. I've put a lot of thoughts in it, trust me. Night post was delayed because oh boy.

But in the other hand, I don't think any player, especially a scum, would risk having himself modkilled like that, which reinforces the "I've panicked" justification.

Anyway, as I said, I've made a lot of mistakes as a host that I will be fixing next game, such as improving the rules. I apologise for that
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 17 2015 06:52 GMT
#2400
I'm not knocking what you did imo, you had a hard decision and made it. Gg GB
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