You did. Hell I'd forgotten about it till you said something, so thanks for that.

That is partially why I've been scumming GG anyways kus he's not really reading peoples interactions with him.

But that's probably a moot point now.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

June 04 2015 20:31 GMT

#842

On June 05 2015 05:27 Chocolate wrote:
KS, if you would look back, you would see I posted only a few minutes after you, I had not yet seen what you wrote

ok let me try to generally address the points against me

1. the scott vote

he wasn't posting, had a general town read and nothing else at the moment, very easy way for scum to play it safe, I don't feel he is scum at all at the moment since he has posted a lot more since then

2. going scott over VE
uhhh it was pretty far before the end of the day and it was a case of pros and cons vs. only cons at the moment

3. I seen scummy because I've been defending all game
It's a cycle. If I don't defend myself, I get called dodgy scum. If I defend myself, I seem to be scrambling. In either case I have to spend a lot of my time and posts defending myself which continues to call attention to myself possibly being scum

4. switching votes a lot
tictock vote meant next to nothing, scott vote was imo logical at the time it was made, VE vote was slightly OMGUSing, onegu vote I continue to stand by but if you guys want to interpet meta to the detriment of town I can't stop you, KS I don't want to die, he seems scummy (and for my next post I'll try to be more formal why), and bandwagoned me

if there's anything else scummy you want to bring up about me then shoot

This seems like a reasonable explanation...
Can you do a list post from scummy to town for us?

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 04 2015 20:31 GMT

#843

30 minutes left, seriously considering voting on Damdred.

My vote either dtays on Chocolate, or I switch to SL or Damdred, thoughts?

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 04 2015 20:32 GMT

#844

Or is there something going on with SL, I didn't quite catch it in the earlier conversation about something happeneing with him :/.

Chocolate

United States2350 Posts

June 04 2015 20:34 GMT

#845

see: everything after this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/427933-tl-mafia-ban-list-20?page=122#2421

damn KS you have a lot of words

will do scotty

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

June 04 2015 20:36 GMT

#846

On June 05 2015 05:28 ritoky wrote:

Show nested quote +

i have lost some faith in chocolate being scum, and i really believe templar is scum. so currently it looks like we are for sure losing 1 town today....i want to make a good choice and not lose 2. the only way i see chocolate being scum right now is if he is scum WITH TEMPLAR because of their thread re-entry. if one was scum and the other wasn't i feel they would push the opposing wagon. and if that is the case, then templar dying will be a free dead scum.

Is it a bad sign that this logic pleases me since I'm reading them both as scum?

GG's vote just seems like it's too hand wavey justified to me. I guess you put a lot more faith into this theory of play than I do, but to each their own on playstyle choice.

Choco has been making similarly bad scumreads and votes. This switch onto Kick seems really scummy to me as well.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

June 04 2015 20:36 GMT

#847

On June 05 2015 05:30 ritoky wrote:
the more i think about it, the less i am feeling it.

##unvote: chocolate

What are you thinking then? I'm not feeling KS for today.
I want to lynch mafia but with a GG mkill a possibility -

Tictock

United States6052 Posts

June 04 2015 20:38 GMT

#848

@ Kick
Stay on Chocolate, don't fall into last minuet OMGUS voting

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

June 04 2015 20:38 GMT

#849

if chocolate is scum and templar is not; and chocolate re-enters the thread as the 2nd largest wagon and one that is gaining steam vs templar's which is losing steam, then it is logical that he would push on templar. instead he called the wagon garbage and tried to push his own read. there's only 2 motivations for that i can see: 1) he is town pushing his reads regardless of thread sentiment 2) the opposing wagon is mafia with chocolate.

as of now templar is dying. so if it is world 2, then we are getting a free mafia regardless. if templar is town, then we are losing 2 town voting on chocolate....is this too much of an associative read this early? I may have talked myself into something that is a stretch, but chocolate's recent play + this kinda not making me want to lynch him.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12973 Posts

June 04 2015 20:38 GMT

#850

Day 1 Vote Count

milo109(0): ~~ritoky~~, ~~Kickstart~~, ~~VisceraEyes~~
Tictock(1): sicklucker
Chocolate(4): ~~VisceraEyes~~, ~~VisceraEyes~~, ~~ritoky~~, VisceraEyes, Scott, Kickstart, Tictock
GGTemplar(1): ~~Kickstart~~, ~~Tictock~~, NydusHerMain, ~~Scott~~, ~~VisceraEyes~~
VisceraEyes(1): ~~Chocolate~~, milo109
Onegu(1): Fidei86, ~~Chocolate~~
Kickstart(2): Damdred, Chocolate
Damdred(1) Onegu

Not Voting (2): GGTemplar, ritoky

Currently, Chocolate is set to be executed. Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is located here.
Posting after the deadline and before the flip will result in a modkill.
UNJUSTIFIED FAILURE TO VOTE WILL RESULT IN A MODKILL

Damdred

15669 Posts

June 04 2015 20:39 GMT

#851

Scott, do you think I'm town.

Why don't you feel a ks lynch

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 04 2015 20:39 GMT

#852

Yeah I think Chocolate has good chance of being scum, first his vote was uselessly planted on onegu, then onto me. On top of everything else raised I think his votes are suspect as well.

Damdred

15669 Posts

June 04 2015 20:40 GMT

#853

It actually makes sense ritoky 2 mafia up for lynch bus the fuck out of your team mate not do this meh.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

June 04 2015 20:41 GMT

#854

not everyone is a busaholic like us damdred

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 04 2015 20:41 GMT

#855

I am a bit uneasy that I could have a ton of last minute votes thrown onto me and get lynched in the last 20 or so minutes that are left out of nowhere.

Kickstart

United States1941 Posts

June 04 2015 20:41 GMT

#856

Can I ask that people move their votes where they intend them to be, we have under 20 minutes now.

ritoky

United States6851 Posts

June 04 2015 20:43 GMT

#857

so many floater votes too...ugh

Damdred

15669 Posts

June 04 2015 20:43 GMT

#858

On June 05 2015 05:41 ritoky wrote:
not everyone is a busaholic like us damdred

It's optimal in that situation though not unnecessary

Chocolate

United States2350 Posts

June 04 2015 20:44 GMT

#859

On June 05 2015 05:36 Tictock wrote:

Show nested quote +

is it scummy to not want to die? seems pretty logical to me

@scott from scummy to not scum

Kickstart VisceraEyes
Tictock
Onegu sicklucker
Damdred
GGTemplar
ritoky
milo
scott31337
NydusHerMain
Fidei86 (maybe trying to clear himself in the future by siding with me)?

NydusHerMain, I don't really know

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

June 04 2015 20:46 GMT

#860

On June 05 2015 05:39 Damdred wrote:
Scott, do you think I'm town.

Why don't you feel a ks lynch

I have a slight town read on you - but you've done all you have so far as mafia, so it's not much.

What are you thinking? Vote KS?
If he flips town are you going to go "oops" and try again day 2?
If he flips mafia then we all drink and toast in your name right?