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justanothertownie
16324 Posts
On May 14 2015 07:38 sandroba wrote: BH, I find it hard to believe that you think that any mafia would pardon BM d1 in that situation. I find it even harder to believe that he would just write all of this stuff and call GB a liar unless he asked the mods himself. Doesn't seem to be the case according to that post. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On May 14 2015 07:30 sandroba wrote: Maybe I've changed my mind who knows. I'll keep my future lynches to myself for now. Plz | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On May 14 2015 07:38 sandroba wrote: BH, I find it hard to believe that you think that any mafia would pardon BM d1 in that situation. Actually, I think the pardon he did was a pretty natural progression of his reads. I kinda started working on that before the case (Which is bellow it in that post) and then realized that it makes sense (you can see him defending BM, then gradually deciding keeping BM alive is important). This is a valid point in defense of GB. That being said, however, I'm still waiting for an explanation from GB about what exactly he was up to with his votes around the end of D1. I've explained, not necessarily a contradiction, but a very strange series of posts and votes. If it's really an "illusory" contradiction as he claims, it should be trivial for him to describe his thought process for why he ended up where he did and voted as he did and reacted as he did during the swap from Vivax (his scumread) to me and back by several players. His weird fixation on like, mod PMs (something I mentioned at the start and has not been the focus of my play since I really got into the game) and determination to avoid talking about the end of D1 are pretty suspicious. Is this pardon fitting with a train of thought that develops naturally? Sure, absoluletely. That doesn't mean that I don't have questions for him, or that I don't find what he did at the end of D1, or what's happening now, scummy. It doesn't mean he can't be scum. I think BM was town, and the pardon on him was PROBABLY town-motivated, and yet... can you really sthink that any town would react as GB did at the end of D1 in that situation? You see, this is why I want him to respond. This is why we need reactions from him. Not just him calling stuff illusory and peacing out. If GB wont' react and interact with the town discourse, he's scum and must be lynched. Regardless of that. And that's what he's doing, so he's scum and must be lynched. I still need to finish up Yam and Rso of course though to determine order. any suggested reading fir me, Sandro? oh, what's this, we got some kind of weird Marv case that people have a million hardons for? No, I think Marv will have, to an extent, moved on by the start of D2 but best not to have this albatross around my neck when I need to conserve my 10 D2/N2 posts for hunting scum (remember, donations will be welcome!). So I'll take some time to address it. First, the case (which is in 2 parts...) On May 13 2015 05:29 marvellosity wrote: BH could be mafia after all, because he's joined what is a pretty terrible sandroba wagon when what I posted should at least be enough for sandroba not to be lynched today. I don't understand how he can on one hand shoot down a nuke headed for me and then on the other hand completely ignore my fleshed out opinion on sandroba. I said earlier that I wasn't going to lynch someone who shot a nuke coming down on me, but the arguments about his lack of scumreads ---> sheeping this case on sandroba made my read do an about turn I was leaning town on Palmar as well, but I also don't understand how he can ask me a question about sandroba, get a fuller response than I normally bother to give (apparently i like talking about good players or something) and then say "well, marv said all that but my points still stand herp derp" There are also too many outlier votes right now. I dislike Xata a little less than before, but would lynch in a pinch. Still finding it very difficult to believe that Vivax plays like this as town ##unvote ##Vote: BlazingHand I don't believe BH "buys" Palmar's case. I think Palmar's case on sandroba is at best misguided tunnelly town and BH has been around long enough (and played with sand enough) to be able to at least grapple with this On May 13 2015 07:09 marvellosity wrote: BlazingHand made a lolreply (more scumpoints from Palmar for me \o/) to Obi where he altered his quote to try to say "well i do this as town as WELL as mafia". The thing was, in... er... Aperture, kita made quite a good meta case about how scumBH doesn't actually do anything where town-BH is strung into action. And that's what's happening here. The thing with BH is that he's very obviously selectively reading the thread, and disregarding the stuff that he doesn't like. So it goes 1.Palmar case on sandroba 2.sometime later marv makes a sandroba defence 3.BH sheeps 1, disregards 2 Then I also made my case on BH based on this, but BH ignores it completely and later only responds to my post where I lumped him (or something) in with Vivax, and saying he's not like Vivax. but it totally disregards what i said in the first place. So that's 2 strikes. I literally cannot reconcile, at all, how he keeps saying we should sheep this Palmar case d1 when it was a really bad case. Even earlier in the thread he made some post about "Palmar and marv being the only ones possibly more skilled than me" yet it seems like he's totally ignoring me for convenience. ok, so I get what mark was saying about the sandro wagon. You’ll note that, in fact, I did end up town reading sandro for my own reasons. maybe it was a shit read, but we all have shit reads. The rest of the case is talking about how I’d been useless all D1 and bought an incorrect case. This is all correct and still is a bad reason to lynch me, I usually am shit D1 so yeah there you go marv, hard to scum read me for being shit when i’m normally shit he kekekekekekke hue Part 2 is a little more interesting. I would note that as scum, I’m actually capable of great things (some player, I recall, said that my meta was to be inactive as scum, then when I started getting active, said my meta was to be active as scum. Yamato maybe?). In any case, I’m kicking serious butt in thread now so I’m gonna write this off as “was true, not true any more” so clearly my role PM changed from a scum pm to a town pm hue uh, the fact that I ignored mark’s defense of sandro when I swapped back isn’t super relevant imo. literally the reason I was voting sandro was cause I didn’t have legit scum reads so I sheep palm. later I had my own, excellent reason for invoting, which is that Sandro actually did research which I can’t imagine scum doing when he could just say “hue hue scum bh meta” or something. But yeah, in terms of me ignoring these cases, basically guilty as charged, but roughly speaking here’s how Marv’s Case works “If A then B” (If Blazinghand does A, that makes Blazinghand Scum) “A is true” (Here’s some examples of blazing hand doing A) therefore B (Therefore BH is scum) now, the thing is…. A *IS* true. I HAVE been basically fucking off all D1, not paying attention, having shitty reads, etc. Sure. That’s true. And yet, I’m still town, so like, What marvell has here is some evidence that he says makes me scum. The evidence is there. Yes. But it doesn’t make me scum. Like, I see a lot of evidence for my play being SHITTY and LAZY, sure, and yes, I’m CAPABLE of that as scum, but I don’t think that anyone can REALLY Say with a straight face “BH being Lazy is a scum trait for him, he is not lazy as town” the closest you’d get to that is that generally as town I’m SUPER lazy during D1, especially if I can ride a claim, then I’m like ultimate tier lazy (unless a VT counterclaims me, grrrrrrrr). But I *do* shape up, and boy, it’s really rarely during D1 that the shapeup happens. I even called earlier that I’d be snapping up N1 this game, and here I am producing more content than everyone else combined. So yeah, I mean, marvell points out some suspicious things of me, yet here I am, still town. Not really much to object to, he presents evidence, but my scumminess does not follow. | ||
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sandroba
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sandroba
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sandroba
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On May 14 2015 07:58 sandroba wrote: If you are asking me if you should shoot palmar, then idk, I would prob shoot xatalos or BH. Nah, if I had a vig, I'd wait and then pop it off way later and probably hit a medic or something lol. | ||
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sandroba
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
Probs just me being paranoid. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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Blazinghand
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
3 from Bats, 2 from Onegu I'm back, gonna cram as much stuff I can in the last half hour here.... Bats On May 14 2015 02:16 batsnacks wrote: @HTS Are you scum reading me y/n? I wasn't clear on why you were voting Sandroba. I'm not clear on where you stand now. You'd probably be in all honesty a slight scumlean at this point. I wasn't even scumreading you (Sandroba was) the first time you asked this and you seemed worried I was going to push your lynch. This go, I just did a voting analysis even though I had stronger reads on other people for other reasons. I get a paranoia feeling from you, I don't recall you asking questions like this before. Kelsier I had some questions to TD - what do you think of TD's answers? It's a few posts after my post on Stutters. As an aside, I'm getting more irritated with LS's posting. He's not coherent but that's not my problem with him. He's not particularly being helpful either even with the use of meta. I know he throws meta links and he's been criticised for that before as town, but the one distinct thing I'm noticing as this thread grows is that LS will post mainly after he's called out. I've noticed that 2-3 times. From what I'm reading, he's sheeping his town reads, but I am having difficulty discerning from a scum who is sheeping a wrong read. Tone wise, I townread him in his scumgames, so I am ignoring that. The main scum tell for him is not posting as much. LS, do you have any stances on anyone new besides those you have mentioned? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
On May 14 2015 08:38 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: if I die, palmar is scum. ಠ_ಠ | ||
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Trfel
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Blazinghand
United States25558 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 14 2015 08:59 Trfel wrote: Or perhaps town are even more idiots.If I die, then the mafia are idiots. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
3 from Bats, 2 from Onegu Legacy list Town – confident (no particular order) - GB, Trfel, Rasputin, KelsierSC, sandroba (subsequent N1 posting) OWS is looking better post-lynch, VE a little as well (posting N1). Damdred has fallen off since lynch, but I know he’s catching up. ROL is in the why did you sign up for this game category. I can follow Yamato a lot less EoD1 and N1, the only thing he has going is we have the same reads. Scum leans: Xatalos, Stutters, LS, batsnacks Probable scum: Oatsmaster, BH, marvellosity | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On May 14 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote: 60/65 3 from Bats, 2 from Onegu I'm back, gonna cram as much stuff I can in the last half hour here.... Bats I wasn't clear on why you were voting Sandroba. I'm not clear on where you stand now. You'd probably be in all honesty a slight scumlean at this point. I wasn't even scumreading you (Sandroba was) the first time you asked this and you seemed worried I was going to push your lynch. This go, I just did a voting analysis even though I had stronger reads on other people for other reasons. I get a paranoia feeling from you, I don't recall you asking questions like this before. Kelsier I had some questions to TD - what do you think of TD's answers? It's a few posts after my post on Stutters. As an aside, I'm getting more irritated with LS's posting. He's not coherent but that's not my problem with him. He's not particularly being helpful either even with the use of meta. I know he throws meta links and he's been criticised for that before as town, but the one distinct thing I'm noticing as this thread grows is that LS will post mainly after he's called out. I've noticed that 2-3 times. From what I'm reading, he's sheeping his town reads, but I am having difficulty discerning from a scum who is sheeping a wrong read. Tone wise, I townread him in his scumgames, so I am ignoring that. The main scum tell for him is not posting as much. LS, do you have any stances on anyone new besides those you have mentioned? Not really a fan of his answers, if he thought BH was town or something then staying on vivax might have made sense. But his "mafia" read of vivax is something palmar said and joking about lack of sexiness, in his filter there isn't a lot about vivax at all. compared to the read he gave about BH being scum which felt a lot more serious it is surprising that he voted on what seemed like a joke read. I didn't like his response | ||
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