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A few important things. Rsoultin's large posts are really, really off. When I have more time to write up a whole thing I'll do so, but there's very little sense being made in them and she's flat out lying about a few things.
More importantly, I want to address Blazinghand's recent scumclaim here. Blazinghand is an experienced player.
On May 14 2015 02:50 Blazinghand wrote:
...so I'm tentatively going to say I think she's (rsoultin) scum.
This is the most absolutely passive way I've ever seen BH talk about someone as scum. Blazinghand as a player and as a person is exceptionally cocky. Not confident, cocky. He is not unknown for screaming that someone's scum. He will out-talk, speak over other players, bully players, wiggle and litigate arguments, etc. just to get his point across. Blazinghand as town in no fucking way is he ever passive. Occaisionally, he will not play as town or not play as scum. But he's not a player to beat around the bush. As town, he's not going to mince his words. As town, BH will flat out call people scum; scream it from the heavens repeating and readjusting his argument just to convince people to vote with him. THIS IS NOT TOWN BH!!!! Town BH doesn't loosely be willing to agree to talk about how BH thinks a person is scum.
Second...
On May 14 2015 02:50 Blazinghand wrote:Hey Batsnacks, hope you're doing well. I'd like to chat with you about your (link) scumread on Sandro. As far as I can tell, this is your only scumread this game, and in fact that post represents the entirety of your contribution. That, plus the weird poem thing makes me think you've got some kind of Blue role, but nothing actually FITS you knowing Sandro is town or scum during D1. During N0 blue roles get the pm "town" so there's no actions. During D1, msot roles, especially inbestigative ones, don't have actions. For example, I could see you being a Coronor, who can "Can check the alignment and/or roles of unflipped players." according to the OP, but again, it's D1. When I was scumreading Sandro, I didn't think much of it, but since Sandro came through and actually did research about my meta, I don't really think it's possible that Sandro can be scum. He's gotta be town. So now I'm concerned about your read. What's the deal, man?'
Town!BH does not intentially try to out people during the night phase. Generally, outing blues in the night phase is pretty terrible play and BH has scolded people before for doing so. However, this type of play is one that's often seen on video mafia. There are a few potential options that BH is trying to do here:
1. BH is traitor and is trying to get mafia to consider an NK for blue snipe on Batsnacks
2. BH is mafia and is trying to setup a blue claim for his partner Batsnacks
3. BH is town and is trying to get mafia to kill lynchbait Batsnacks
Here's the thing though, BH scolded GlowingBear here for not knowing about no N0 NKs. He knows that roles didn't go out until the end of N0. So BH is in part trying to establish a blue argument on a player based on the 13th post in the game. BH is clearly not trying or thinking critically here because that argument is the dumbfuckfest central. Then he goes on to point out the Batsnacks soft claim. As town, why would BH ever point this out during the night phase? Maybe it's Batsnacks trying to take a bullet. Maybe it's actually a soft. I don't know. But there's literally no point for BH to direct the soft to the thread's attention as town. The potential loss is almost always greater than the potential gain. BH is a player who is will to take risks as any alignment, but this one is that I don't think I've ever seen him take before as town while at least once arguing against such play. So it's pretty easy to eliminate option 3. I don't care if it's 1 or 2, either way he's not town for it.
Marv made an exceptionally sexy post about BH that I want to highlight. When I was looking at BH before and after the lynch, there was at least one exceptionally interesting thing about him. BH deflects from pressure. I don't mean that he pushes it on to other people. Rather, he takes the weakest point of anyone's argument and straw mans the argument so that he looks better. Instead of ever engaging or responding to good arguments (like the one I made that yamato responds to or the extended case the Marv wrote), never once does he address them. In the early case, he engages GlowingBear's weaker argument, never responds to mine and allows thread sentiment to just shift into BillMurray in the silence. In the case of Marv's argument, he interacts with everyone else around Marv's argument. He gets into a shitflinging fest with yamato. He explains how he'll be at dinner for 23 straight hours. He never actually bothers to respond to the main points because it lends credence to the points themselves. While this avoidance is reasonable to good play to avoid being lynched, it is rather telling that BH has continued to play this way.
Building upon a point Marv had made earlier, BH clearly isn't thinking or reading critically in any sense. He tried to point out Batsnacks for being blue based on a post that batty wrote after alignments were handed out but before roles were. I ask you, do you really think that Blazinghand is the type of person or player to not think while he's playing? Does he have a tendency as town to show a pattern of not critically thinking about the game in any realistic sense? Do you not want to lynch the ever living fuck out of him?
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
5/15
On May 14 2015 04:20 TalkingDead wrote:A few important things. Rsoultin's large posts are really, really off. When I have more time to write up a whole thing I'll do so, but there's very little sense being made in them and she's flat out lying about a few things. More importantly, I want to address Blazinghand's recent scumclaim here. Blazinghand is an experienced player. Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 02:50 Blazinghand wrote:
...so I'm tentatively going to say I think she's (rsoultin) scum. This is the most absolutely passive way I've ever seen BH talk about someone as scum. Blazinghand as a player and as a person is exceptionally cocky. Not confident, cocky. He is not unknown for screaming that someone's scum. He will out-talk, speak over other players, bully players, wiggle and litigate arguments, etc. just to get his point across. Blazinghand as town in no fucking way is he ever passive. Occaisionally, he will not play as town or not play as scum. But he's not a player to beat around the bush. As town, he's not going to mince his words. As town, BH will flat out call people scum; scream it from the heavens repeating and readjusting his argument just to convince people to vote with him. THIS IS NOT TOWN BH!!!! Town BH doesn't loosely be willing to agree to talk about how BH thinks a person is scum. Second... Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 02:50 Blazinghand wrote:Hey Batsnacks, hope you're doing well. I'd like to chat with you about your (link) scumread on Sandro. As far as I can tell, this is your only scumread this game, and in fact that post represents the entirety of your contribution. That, plus the weird poem thing makes me think you've got some kind of Blue role, but nothing actually FITS you knowing Sandro is town or scum during D1. During N0 blue roles get the pm "town" so there's no actions. During D1, msot roles, especially inbestigative ones, don't have actions. For example, I could see you being a Coronor, who can "Can check the alignment and/or roles of unflipped players." according to the OP, but again, it's D1. When I was scumreading Sandro, I didn't think much of it, but since Sandro came through and actually did research about my meta, I don't really think it's possible that Sandro can be scum. He's gotta be town. So now I'm concerned about your read. What's the deal, man?' Town!BH does not intentially try to out people during the night phase. Generally, outing blues in the night phase is pretty terrible play and BH has scolded people before for doing so. However, this type of play is one that's often seen on video mafia. There are a few potential options that BH is trying to do here: 1. BH is traitor and is trying to get mafia to consider an NK for blue snipe on Batsnacks 2. BH is mafia and is trying to setup a blue claim for his partner Batsnacks 3. BH is town and is trying to get mafia to kill lynchbait Batsnacks Here's the thing though, BH scolded GlowingBear here for not knowing about no N0 NKs. He knows that roles didn't go out until the end of N0. So BH is in part trying to establish a blue argument on a player based on the 13th post in the game. BH is clearly not trying or thinking critically here because that argument is the dumbfuckfest central. Then he goes on to point out the Batsnacks soft claim. As town, why would BH ever point this out during the night phase? Maybe it's Batsnacks trying to take a bullet. Maybe it's actually a soft. I don't know. But there's literally no point for BH to direct the soft to the thread's attention as town. The potential loss is almost always greater than the potential gain. BH is a player who is will to take risks as any alignment, but this one is that I don't think I've ever seen him take before as town while at least once arguing against such play. So it's pretty easy to eliminate option 3. I don't care if it's 1 or 2, either way he's not town for it. Marv made an exceptionally sexy post about BH that I want to highlight. When I was looking at BH before and after the lynch, there was at least one exceptionally interesting thing about him. BH deflects from pressure. I don't mean that he pushes it on to other people. Rather, he takes the weakest point of anyone's argument and straw mans the argument so that he looks better. Instead of ever engaging or responding to good arguments (like the one I made that yamato responds to or the extended case the Marv wrote), never once does he address them. In the early case, he engages GlowingBear's weaker argument, never responds to mine and allows thread sentiment to just shift into BillMurray in the silence. In the case of Marv's argument, he interacts with everyone else around Marv's argument. He gets into a shitflinging fest with yamato. He explains how he'll be at dinner for 23 straight hours. He never actually bothers to respond to the main points because it lends credence to the points themselves. While this avoidance is reasonable to good play to avoid being lynched, it is rather telling that BH has continued to play this way. Building upon a point Marv had made earlier, BH clearly isn't thinking or reading critically in any sense. He tried to point out Batsnacks for being blue based on a post that batty wrote after alignments were handed out but before roles were. I ask you, do you really think that Blazinghand is the type of person or player to not think while he's playing? Does he have a tendency as town to show a pattern of not critically thinking about the game in any realistic sense? Do you not want to lynch the ever living fuck out of him?
uh dude literally everyone knows bats is claiming blue, unless they're like super bad like rsoultin so fuck off. I'll read that post about Marv though if you'll link it. ATM reading other things
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
6/15 also all this bad meta is making my head hurt so hard. I'm passive as scum? wtf, literally talkingdead must be scum or the smurf of someone awful. yes I'm tossing a couple posts at this cause the stupidity is overwhelming. I'm not joking. I actually got a headache thinking about this. which is very astrange. I don't get headaches. I'm kinda worried honestly
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On May 14 2015 04:20 TalkingDead wrote:A few important things. Rsoultin's large posts are really, really off. When I have more time to write up a whole thing I'll do so, but there's very little sense being made in them and she's flat out lying about a few things. More importantly, I want to address Blazinghand's recent scumclaim here. Blazinghand is an experienced player. Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 02:50 Blazinghand wrote:
...so I'm tentatively going to say I think she's (rsoultin) scum. This is the most absolutely passive way I've ever seen BH talk about someone as scum. Blazinghand as a player and as a person is exceptionally cocky. Not confident, cocky. He is not unknown for screaming that someone's scum. He will out-talk, speak over other players, bully players, wiggle and litigate arguments, etc. just to get his point across. Blazinghand as town in no fucking way is he ever passive. Occaisionally, he will not play as town or not play as scum. But he's not a player to beat around the bush. As town, he's not going to mince his words. As town, BH will flat out call people scum; scream it from the heavens repeating and readjusting his argument just to convince people to vote with him. THIS IS NOT TOWN BH!!!! Town BH doesn't loosely be willing to agree to talk about how BH thinks a person is scum. Second... Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 02:50 Blazinghand wrote:Hey Batsnacks, hope you're doing well. I'd like to chat with you about your (link) scumread on Sandro. As far as I can tell, this is your only scumread this game, and in fact that post represents the entirety of your contribution. That, plus the weird poem thing makes me think you've got some kind of Blue role, but nothing actually FITS you knowing Sandro is town or scum during D1. During N0 blue roles get the pm "town" so there's no actions. During D1, msot roles, especially inbestigative ones, don't have actions. For example, I could see you being a Coronor, who can "Can check the alignment and/or roles of unflipped players." according to the OP, but again, it's D1. When I was scumreading Sandro, I didn't think much of it, but since Sandro came through and actually did research about my meta, I don't really think it's possible that Sandro can be scum. He's gotta be town. So now I'm concerned about your read. What's the deal, man?' Town!BH does not intentially try to out people during the night phase. Generally, outing blues in the night phase is pretty terrible play and BH has scolded people before for doing so. However, this type of play is one that's often seen on video mafia. There are a few potential options that BH is trying to do here: 1. BH is traitor and is trying to get mafia to consider an NK for blue snipe on Batsnacks 2. BH is mafia and is trying to setup a blue claim for his partner Batsnacks 3. BH is town and is trying to get mafia to kill lynchbait Batsnacks Here's the thing though, BH scolded GlowingBear here for not knowing about no N0 NKs. He knows that roles didn't go out until the end of N0. So BH is in part trying to establish a blue argument on a player based on the 13th post in the game. BH is clearly not trying or thinking critically here because that argument is the dumbfuckfest central. Then he goes on to point out the Batsnacks soft claim. As town, why would BH ever point this out during the night phase? Maybe it's Batsnacks trying to take a bullet. Maybe it's actually a soft. I don't know. But there's literally no point for BH to direct the soft to the thread's attention as town. The potential loss is almost always greater than the potential gain. BH is a player who is will to take risks as any alignment, but this one is that I don't think I've ever seen him take before as town while at least once arguing against such play. So it's pretty easy to eliminate option 3. I don't care if it's 1 or 2, either way he's not town for it. Marv made an exceptionally sexy post about BH that I want to highlight. When I was looking at BH before and after the lynch, there was at least one exceptionally interesting thing about him. BH deflects from pressure. I don't mean that he pushes it on to other people. Rather, he takes the weakest point of anyone's argument and straw mans the argument so that he looks better. Instead of ever engaging or responding to good arguments (like the one I made that yamato responds to or the extended case the Marv wrote), never once does he address them. In the early case, he engages GlowingBear's weaker argument, never responds to mine and allows thread sentiment to just shift into BillMurray in the silence. In the case of Marv's argument, he interacts with everyone else around Marv's argument. He gets into a shitflinging fest with yamato. He explains how he'll be at dinner for 23 straight hours. He never actually bothers to respond to the main points because it lends credence to the points themselves. While this avoidance is reasonable to good play to avoid being lynched, it is rather telling that BH has continued to play this way. Building upon a point Marv had made earlier, BH clearly isn't thinking or reading critically in any sense. He tried to point out Batsnacks for being blue based on a post that batty wrote after alignments were handed out but before roles were. I ask you, do you really think that Blazinghand is the type of person or player to not think while he's playing? Does he have a tendency as town to show a pattern of not critically thinking about the game in any realistic sense? Do you not want to lynch the ever living fuck out of him?
Sexy combo of you and Marv I may now just want to lynch BH over Xata because of you two but I found your case on BH better than Marv's but you also added onto his cas on BH so it just the perfect combo regardless of Marv's alignment. Can I sheep you now Geript?
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No one tell BH why this ^ is wrong.
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On May 14 2015 04:13 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 04:10 LightningStrike wrote:On May 14 2015 03:58 Xatalos wrote:I think I'm about at the post limit so not gonna post much tonight. I guess I should focus more on bigger posts and reading with these restrictions instead of posting whatever I like usual. Thanks for not lynching me yesterday. It was too bad that I had to wake up so early this morning, but life is life. In the next days I should have plenty more time and also capability to stay awake for deadlines. I actually kind of liked BH's recent posts, especially the one where he talked about rsoultin's read changes. It matched well with my own thoughts... So I'm considering just waiting and seeing more from him for now. Right now I'd most want to lynch LS. His attitude is just completely non-town any way I look at it. I may have to reconsider Onegu for a moment after looking at this exchange between LS and Onegu: On May 14 2015 03:41 LightningStrike wrote:On May 14 2015 03:35 Onegu wrote:On May 14 2015 03:15 LightningStrike wrote:On May 14 2015 03:08 Onegu wrote:
Ok LS is lieing he doesnt have any strong scum reads at all this game. He scum read vivax for being different than what he remembers. Then after scum reading Vivax all game he wants to switch to xata because, well Im not really sure he never really gives a good reason to...
A town LS actively looks for scum. He is not doing any of that this game.
Second read his filter he is basicly only giving town reads. And commenting on what is popular in the thread. I mean he made 3 posts on who the smurf is...
This isnt a LS town game.
@rsoul. LOL at making a novel and then putting inside of it that people wont read it because it is a novel... <3. Still think you are scum with LS this game. You should have no reason to townread him at this point. I had a strong scumread on Vivax but then I reconsidered later because he started to look very townie and tried to switch Xata since I liked KSC's case on him and other people also thought he was scum and so I tried to change my vote to Xata but for some reason mods didn't see my vote switch at all....... I still think Xata is scum along with Oats, and BH. Again you keep misrepresenting me on my meta because I did try to look for scum as both alignments..................................................................................................................... I mean check out JOAT and Guardians when I was scum............................ Ok no meta. You aren't looking for scum and making cases, you are only commenting on the thread direction. Therefore you are only trying to blend in. Therefore you are scum. Why look if I think I found scum? ... It felt like Onegu was reading my mind there for a moment. I'm also seriously considering that HtS might be scum. Just look at her overall posting style. It's way too clean and what's worse, "static". One example: I was her go-to lynch for a long time, even after I had started seriously posting for a while, but her read didn't take my many more recent posts into account at all. It didn't evolve. She just kept repeating her old case (2-3 times I think) and didn't interact with me. Ultimately, much later, her answer was something like "I don't see any change in you" when I had definitely started playing way more actively and focused (with some free time I had gained finally). At that point even Damdred and marv had somewhat changed their minds. And as for HtS... nothing? It feels like she just decided a read beforehand and sticked with it for the day. rsoultin: I don't think flavor makes someone town. I'm sure the scumteam would be provided with fakeclaims or the game could easily be broken. ![[image loading]](https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTX2-kRXcPEx2M6fJ2HnddHksjOu_vVEmM0Xfn7qTS41dtuakeCew) Read my latest scum games in Jack of all Trades and Guardians and look XXX and Student VII for a quick sample of my town games. XXX: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=lightningstrikeStudent VIII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483087-newbie-student-mafia-viii?user=LightningStrikeJack of all Trades: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=LightningStrikeGuardains: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=LightningStrike Im not using meta, you are scummy because you are doing scummy things and not making your own reads or trying to find scum...
........................................... Entertain me bro make a case if you think I scum.
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82/84
-facedesks-
I give up I'm just gonna go back to my regular play lol ><
-dances on a table-
bats is town! bh is dumb! (and when you see how dumb you are i will lolololol)
gb is town! bh is dumb!
bh is dumb or scum!
talkingdead, of course my giant posts look different xP that's the point. i never post that way lol ><
i am town! you all are dumb!
and bh admits to wanting to lynch a tooooownie just because he doesn't like how she plaaaaaays
-dances on the table some more-
(legitimately, td, if i've got facts wrong you should bring it up...i did filter dive but a lot of that is from memory :/)
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On May 14 2015 04:30 rsoultin wrote:
82/84
-facedesks-
I give up I'm just gonna go back to my regular play lol ><
-dances on a table-
bats is town! bh is dumb! (and when you see how dumb you are i will lolololol)
gb is town! bh is dumb!
bh is dumb or scum!
talkingdead, of course my giant posts look different xP that's the point. i never post that way lol ><
i am town! you all are dumb!
and bh admits to wanting to lynch a tooooownie just because he doesn't like how she plaaaaaays
-dances on the table some more-
(legitimately, td, if i've got facts wrong you should bring it up...i did filter dive but a lot of that is from memory :/)
I gave 5 posts and called you town though so I not dumb?
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BH, why did you shut down truffles nuke?
Marv, what point on my case on oats was good, what is your read on him?
Someone give me one more post. I had to ask these questions because they are important.
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On May 14 2015 04:19 Blazinghand wrote:4/15 Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 04:14 rsoultin wrote:
I'm bad and refuse to write legibly. Although I'm good at not getting lynched as a townie, and admittedly bad at hunting scum or pushing my cases, I don't think being useful to town is my main goal this game. Instead, my goal is to survive. Being helpful is not important to me, since i'm an awful person and/or scum
kk trash prepare to get taken out. you're obviously secondary to more important/relevant people like GB but you will not survive to and end game town victory this game, on my honor as a Scotsman
I will make sure you will be lynched before her, on my honor as the japanese emperor.
On May 14 2015 04:26 batsnacks wrote:
No one tell BH why this ^ is wrong.
Yeah, best we all shut up about it. Oops.
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
hey resoultin, here's the part where I kill you
7/15
I promise that if I'm scum, you 100% die tonight. Since you're the main person who thinks I'm scum, when you're dead, I'll probably survive tomorrow. You won't be around to push me :D
now taht I've said that, scum will shoot you, to incriminate me. or maybe this is cover so that when I shoot you I don't look bad, as scum.
go, scumteam, go, and do my bidding. remove rsoultin from this game.
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On May 14 2015 04:26 batsnacks wrote:
No one tell BH why this ^ is wrong.
It's sad that I have to read so many pages of dumb. If mafia team has half a brain 1/2 the blues will be dead tonight.
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So many walls. My face hurts. D:
Stop giving rso posts so she doesn't keep starting useless shitfights with, like, everyone.
@Trfel: right now, I see ls getting bogged down in meaningless defense as is his modus operandi. I almost always scumread him early on and him desperately trying to convey his innocence is somewhat of a slight town lean for him.
(Plus, onegu and Xat are tunneling him for not hunting scum, when it's really easy to mess up someone's game by constantly attacking him. Prbs a bit more wait-and-see, but if you put a gun to my head I'd say ls was somewhat towny.)
@Gb: how am I playing to my scum meta? I know you love calling me scum for bullshit reasons as scum, so what gives?
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83/83
END OF NIGHT POST
##give last post to GB
Please don't give me any more posts, guys lol >< OWS is right I'm just...well not shit-fighting with everyone; that's an exaggeration. But spamming and shit-fighting with BH definitely lol >< I'd like to say I have good enough self-control but obviously that's not the case.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 13 2015 23:38 rsoultin wrote:75/76 heh. i've been sitting on things -_- but i'm terrible at sitting on things. firstly, because once ksc explained his read progression on me it actually did make sense (drunk sarcasm/not wanting to engage) and yes I'm leaning town on him now in part because of trfel's meta case, i'll help out the lazy. and yes, i'm going to transition into real sentences for legibility now. what blazinghand is referring to: + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2015 04:53 Blazinghand wrote:
/in
I'll be bringing my A game as I did in Noir before I was accidentally mislynched. I'm not even starting a new job in the near future!
PS: I won't RNG unless it's a good idea On May 07 2015 08:40 rsoultin wrote:
lol >>
<3
i found my day 1 lynch! xD On May 07 2015 09:44 Blazinghand wrote:
bring it on sonny On May 07 2015 10:14 rsoultin wrote:
\o/ Maybe I generally overestimate people's ability to differentiate between teasing and being completely serious. I thought it was clear that this was just me poking fun at him after last game, where I was one of the main forces behind his mislynch Day One and he proceeded to spend literal days flaming everyone for it in the obs QT. Obviously I don't have it "out" for Blazinghand. I will say that I'm not a fan of his playstyle and that I have a hard time reading him. As for why I thought he was scum this game, a simple filter dive (which for some reason no one seems interested in doing?) shows my thought process pretty clearly. + Show Spoiler +On May 10 2015 15:50 rsoultin wrote:
4!
insomnia says hi!
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bill murray and blazhinghand maybe looking for reactions? bill murray's entrance uber scummy and too willing to give away the postehs so don't have to post, and blazinghand quite brazenly lying in an easily discoverable way xP
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On May 11 2015 09:47 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 09:43 Blazinghand wrote:
point out a flaw in my logic if you see it. GB tried and turned out he wasn't reading the host posts. unless of ocurse you got a scum pm and that's why I'm wrong?
lol moronic is a state of being xP not dependent on any particular post of yours, but as for this particular game... sandy already pointed out what you failed to read, unless you think it makes sense for scum to sit there and choose their roles blindly independent of one another. i don't know that the hosts are such jokesters, and frankly i don't care, but obviously your list post was worthless anyway because according to you scum has already won  not to mention you failed to read closely enough to even divide your categories properly bring something worth discussing or go away. tiresome one [...] On May 11 2015 10:00 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2015 09:56 Blazinghand wrote:
The hosts literally said that scum get a pm that says "mafia" dude. like, look, maybe i screwed up in reading filters, but unless you think the hosts literally lied, you should be saying "balzinghand, the idea is right but you did it wrong, sandro is town" or something. Clearly you're not intelligent enough to understand me, so I'm going to ignore you until I see evidence otherwose lol the idea is by definition wrong if you have more scum than town it's okay though. i <3 morons (i also speak bh \o/) not everyone can be expected to understand simple logic who should we lynch, tonto? On May 12 2015 02:25 rsoultin wrote:
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still think truffle is town so it's hard for me to see scum saving a townie but at the same time...i didn't really like bh's reasoning at all. truffle got mad so he's town? then why ask truffle why he should save him, then base his reasoning not on the answer but on truffle's initial reaction? that's bugging me more than it should maybe >< i dunnae. how likely is it for scum to save town here for towncred? i'm assuming he has multiple anti-nukes... On May 12 2015 03:40 rsoultin wrote:
17/60
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could lynch rol palmar honestly though it's kinda plynch-level for me, not sure why bh is town hero though...you don't find how he did the anti-nuke thing weird at all? like literally i'm townreading truffle and STILL have problems with it lol >< maybe i'm way off-base dunnae but it's just so...weird. like bh isn't being like him at all...not sure if it's cause it's a ver game or what but the closest he got to what i'd expect from him is saying i'm too stupid to understand his mad plays \o/
[...] On May 12 2015 05:11 rsoultin wrote:
21/60
i should really f5...less inclined to lynch bh now :/ though i'd still like you to explain your thought process on truffle cause it's still hella weird
and yeah probably literally not going to look at this game again until tomorrow morning gonna run out of posts blah On May 13 2015 08:42 rsoultin wrote:
70/76
frankly, unvoting sandroba when voting sandroba can't save you anyway isn't exactly impressive, bh
neither is scumreading me based on emoticons. i can kind of believe you think that i have it out for you, because you haven't gotten that i just like to tease you in the past xP (the joke from last post-game, remember?) i find your arrogance amusing and try to mimic it for lolz...my own personal pleasure lol ><
you were probably wrong on sandy. you're definitely wrong on me. the unvoting bit is boring; you'd do that anyway to try to avoid the lynch. trying to win...you'd do as either alignment. like nothing you're saying is particularly alignment indicative? i don't want to vote bats or vivax and i know that this means i'm potentially just a big sucker and naive but that's okay
xat had a pre-game excuse for his activity...so i guess it's possible he's just sucking activity wise? but frankly, i don't see how having less time makes a player less insightful. just insightful about LESS things. anyway
i dunnae bh. i'll be the first to admit i have trouble reading you. the jack-all on day 1 bit is bad play in general. can someone verify he does that in his town games who knows him better? I was actually reading him town initially, because he was flaunting the fact that he was lying in thread about a broken computer by posting in our Community thread about playing some sort of game. I forget which. Probably Dota. Thus I figured maybe he was looking for reactions to get reads on people. By the end of N0 he was in my nullish category for lack of anything to really read him on. Then he posted his town/scum lists based on the pretty queer hypothesis that scum didn't know each other yet. I can see where he got it from if he's town, given Hapahauli's post, however it defies logic and as such I didn't find it impressive (not to mention he clearly didn't read people closely enough, because his categories weren't even right by his own criteria), but notably I did not think he was scum for it, just being illogical.And yes, I called him a moron and started talking down to him as a joke, imitating his way of talking to people. As I've said before, I find it amusing how he talks and it's something of a guilty pleasure to posture to him while mimicking him. What's mafia without having a little fun? My first real suspicion of Blazinghand started when he used his anti-nuke on a townread of mine, ironically. Why? Because he took the time to ask Trfel why Trfel thought that he deserved to be saved, which implies that he was still trying to determine Trfel's alignment. Yet his reason for saving Trfel was simply that Trfel was angry about being nuked? Then why ask the question if he'd already decided that was enough to make Trfel town? It was strange, and although I asked Blazinghand about it (directly and indirectly) he never clarified. (Also, just going to put this out there: Trfel is someone I am exceedingly good at reading, and typically disagree with a lot of people on (i.e. Noir 3, Student Mafia V, Newbie Mini Mafia LXI, etc. in my profile, I tend to read him right and early). Perhaps it's arrogance, but I don't actually expect people to townread (or scumread) him as soon or as accurately as me, based on past experience. Objectively Trfel had done nothing terribly townie at that point. I read him on tone.) An explanation would not be complete without the moment of doubt. I had Blazinghand as scum in my mind and was ready to lynch him with the Marvellosity nuke, before he came in and shot that down, too. At first, that made me think that maybe he could be town, given some of Marvellosity's recent posting (namely the being dickish which he himself admits is a towntell of his) suggested town to me. As he continued to do nothing or weigh in on anything, however, I became increasingly convinced that he was scum riding that fun anti-nuke towncred. As I noted in the final post while he was flailing around in an attempt to avoid getting lynched, nothing he was saying at the time was really alignment-indicative. He wanted to "win", to "not get lynched". Okay? Scum wants the same things. He changed his read on sandroba. Okay? He needed to unvote sandroba anyway to save himself. He may have spewed a lot of words, but I fail to see what was so impressive about them. Bonus: Vivax was town for a few clear reasons. First, he knew the vanilla VT flavor. Yes, I am claiming vanilla VT because frankly it has to be damn obvious by now. Vivax first brought up that he was a "pleb" talking to LightningStrike, which to me looked like he was trying to get a read on LS...it definitely would mean nothing to anyone who wasn't VT, him claiming that. I even checked prior Ver games to be sure this flavor hadn't been used before. Since this didn't come at a time when a scum Vivax would be likely to ask the hosts for a fake claim, I accepted it on faith. Additionally, his reaction to being wagoned was excessively townie. He did not panic. He started dumping reads for after his flip. If there was a sense of panic with the reads dump, it would not have been alignment indicative, but he clearly wanted his thoughts in thread before he died and didn't care about the lynch itself. Anyone scumreading him after that, frankly, just cannot read tone or is scum. I would never, ever vote Vivax over Blazinghand Day One because of how sure I was that Vivax was town. Plain and simple.
Now does everyone understand why I do not usually play this way? I am writing novels and people are unlikely to read novels. At least my thought process should be excessively clear this way. Now...because I need to finish my term papers and do not want to forget...I do have a crappy association element involved in my read on Blazinghand: Marvellosity did not react to being nuked. It took me awhile to really notice this, but Marvellosity, who flames people for scumreading him when he's town and loses his shit did not react to being nuked. That suggests to me that the nuke would not succeed. He also did not flame me for scumreading him early, but instead criticized (I believe) Oatsmaster (could be OWS if my memory is failing me) for defending him. This is a very rational response since he didn't look town at all early game however Marvellosity is typically not rational at all about being scumread. I've had a townread on Bill Murray for awhile. Some of it is tone. Some of it is I liked the thought process going into some of his reads (whether I agreed with it or not). That left Blazinghand. Why is Marvellosity not afraid of the nuke? Not angry about it? Blazinghand will anti-nuke it. And he did. Now, admittedly recently it occurred to me that Blazinghand possibly could be town (despite his complete lack of contributions to Day One while riding that towncred) and scum simply has an anti-nuke role, too. It is highly likely that scum could have such a role for obvious reasons. Add on to this that Marvellosity started a train on Blazinghand, then came back in and switched for very poor reasons back to Vivax, despite stating earlier that Vivax looked better than both Xatalos and Blazinghand. Even if we accept that a "baked" Marvellosity really thought that Blazinghand's posting looked so good at EoD, where did the Xatalos read go? Apparently it fell off the face of the earth.
I still am highly suspicious of Marvellosity and Blazinghand for the above-stated reasons. I choose to post this now because I want to make sure this gets into the thread in case I don't have time for full reads, as I really need to get my schoolwork done. To round out my current scumreads, Xatalos looks terrible by association, and I think that Damdred's read on him is probably correct given past history (Carol). I also noticed how he seems to pluck up others' reads, not just thread sentiment. (KelsierSC's read on me is one example.) Lastly, Onegu. Independent of everyone else, on tone and familiarity with him (note his complete lack of presence at EoD?) I still strongly believe that he is scum. But honestly he probably is not high-priority compared to the others. I do not have a fifth scum. I have plenty of townreads or leans, but I imagine the fifth is somewhere in the lurkers that are currently impossible to read.
lol! that was way too long a post >< please don't make me be all serious and wordy again ;o; i much prefer sarcasm On May 13 2015 23:59 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
rsoultin, are you suggesting that with a town-Vivax leading the votes by quite some margin, I decide to create and repeatedly push a wagon on my scumbuddy for some reason? 76/76 I wasn't going to use my last post for this but :/ meh. At least then I won't be distracted by the game lol. I'm more suspicious of you than Blazinghand, actually. I think your reaction to the nuke and your behavior around EoD is highly suspicious. Whether that's because I'm wrong on Bill Murray, Blazinghand is a scum anti-nuker, or there's another anti-nuker hiding somewhere in the ranks, doesn't really matter. The baked thing is kind of convenient but I've never seen you use that excuse before in any of the games we've played together. The Xatalos read flat-out disappeared when you returned to the thread. Quite simply, following a logical train of thought on the presumption that I am right on both you and Blazinghand, you pushed a lynch on your scum buddy to be able to say that you pushed a lynch on your scum buddy if he eventually flipped. You did not follow through. Now why could that be? Yes, that looks scummy. You usually do not do obviously scummy things as scum...you're usually aware of how you look. However, if Blazinghand flips scum you and Trfel will immediately come under suspicion. So yes, I think it's quite possible for you to both push him and then go out of your way to protect him, despite how bad it looks, if you are scum together. It is quite feasible and certainly not reason enough to clear either of you.
Bats is town because Vivax is town. Filter dive him VE. Bats thought sandroba was scum because sandroba kept pushing him after the claim. I asked him how realistic that was because, obviously, not all town are vanilla town anyway. Sandroba is also likely town for many reasons. Sorry, Palmar...I'm leaning town on you but I don't agree on your sandroba read  He also recognized what bats was talking about. Yes, I've been using bats and vivax to get some reads of my own lol This was my last post. The sadness. GB Trfel Damdred HTS Bats Sandroba I'm pretty sure are town here. Town leans on Palmar Yamato (he's falling because I actually didn't really like his behavior around EoD either, odd as that sounds; he just seemed too sure. however there's a very good reason he might be sure, which would be the same reason i was sure, so i'll keep him in my town leans) OWS (tonal. i can't explain it. it's just a feeling and shouldn't be taken too seriously) LS (though honestly I'm a little disturbed by his lack of contribution lately and maybe he should be dropped back to null) those i haven't explicitly mentioned as scum and don't appear on this list are null...or i forgot them :/ which probably means they're null anyway. VE, I just don't know you well enough to read you, sorry
I can't force people to read my posts, but please do if you want to know where my head's at. I even wrote them less cancer-y. Most of these reads are already explained in them. The names in the categories are in no particular order.
Solid Town
GB
Trfel
Damdred
HTS
KSC
Bats
Sandroba
Town leans
Palmar
Yamato
OWS
lightningstrike
Nullish (this one is in order from well nullish-town to nullish-scum)
jat
VE
stutters
ROL
oats
TD
BH - i dunnae on this one lol i think he could react this way as either alignment, honestly, but he has a higher chance of being town than my other scumreads
Scum
Marv
Xata
Oneg
woot \o/ I'm done lol (apologies for being so all over the place...even though i kinda always am :/ so i don't know that this will ever change)
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On May 14 2015 04:27 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 04:13 Onegu wrote:On May 14 2015 04:10 LightningStrike wrote:On May 14 2015 03:58 Xatalos wrote:I think I'm about at the post limit so not gonna post much tonight. I guess I should focus more on bigger posts and reading with these restrictions instead of posting whatever I like usual. Thanks for not lynching me yesterday. It was too bad that I had to wake up so early this morning, but life is life. In the next days I should have plenty more time and also capability to stay awake for deadlines. I actually kind of liked BH's recent posts, especially the one where he talked about rsoultin's read changes. It matched well with my own thoughts... So I'm considering just waiting and seeing more from him for now. Right now I'd most want to lynch LS. His attitude is just completely non-town any way I look at it. I may have to reconsider Onegu for a moment after looking at this exchange between LS and Onegu: On May 14 2015 03:41 LightningStrike wrote:On May 14 2015 03:35 Onegu wrote:On May 14 2015 03:15 LightningStrike wrote:On May 14 2015 03:08 Onegu wrote:
Ok LS is lieing he doesnt have any strong scum reads at all this game. He scum read vivax for being different than what he remembers. Then after scum reading Vivax all game he wants to switch to xata because, well Im not really sure he never really gives a good reason to...
A town LS actively looks for scum. He is not doing any of that this game.
Second read his filter he is basicly only giving town reads. And commenting on what is popular in the thread. I mean he made 3 posts on who the smurf is...
This isnt a LS town game.
@rsoul. LOL at making a novel and then putting inside of it that people wont read it because it is a novel... <3. Still think you are scum with LS this game. You should have no reason to townread him at this point. I had a strong scumread on Vivax but then I reconsidered later because he started to look very townie and tried to switch Xata since I liked KSC's case on him and other people also thought he was scum and so I tried to change my vote to Xata but for some reason mods didn't see my vote switch at all....... I still think Xata is scum along with Oats, and BH. Again you keep misrepresenting me on my meta because I did try to look for scum as both alignments..................................................................................................................... I mean check out JOAT and Guardians when I was scum............................ Ok no meta. You aren't looking for scum and making cases, you are only commenting on the thread direction. Therefore you are only trying to blend in. Therefore you are scum. Why look if I think I found scum? ... It felt like Onegu was reading my mind there for a moment. I'm also seriously considering that HtS might be scum. Just look at her overall posting style. It's way too clean and what's worse, "static". One example: I was her go-to lynch for a long time, even after I had started seriously posting for a while, but her read didn't take my many more recent posts into account at all. It didn't evolve. She just kept repeating her old case (2-3 times I think) and didn't interact with me. Ultimately, much later, her answer was something like "I don't see any change in you" when I had definitely started playing way more actively and focused (with some free time I had gained finally). At that point even Damdred and marv had somewhat changed their minds. And as for HtS... nothing? It feels like she just decided a read beforehand and sticked with it for the day. rsoultin: I don't think flavor makes someone town. I'm sure the scumteam would be provided with fakeclaims or the game could easily be broken. Read my latest scum games in Jack of all Trades and Guardians and look XXX and Student VII for a quick sample of my town games. XXX: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=lightningstrikeStudent VIII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483087-newbie-student-mafia-viii?user=LightningStrikeJack of all Trades: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=LightningStrikeGuardains: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=LightningStrike Im not using meta, you are scummy because you are doing scummy things and not making your own reads or trying to find scum... ........................................... Entertain me bro make a case if you think I scum.
I already made a case it goes like this. You have no orignal reads, you only are commenting on thread direction. You lied about having concrete scum reads. And you arent doing anything productive this game.
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On May 14 2015 04:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 04:19 Blazinghand wrote:4/15 On May 14 2015 04:14 rsoultin wrote:
I'm bad and refuse to write legibly. Although I'm good at not getting lynched as a townie, and admittedly bad at hunting scum or pushing my cases, I don't think being useful to town is my main goal this game. Instead, my goal is to survive. Being helpful is not important to me, since i'm an awful person and/or scum
kk trash prepare to get taken out. you're obviously secondary to more important/relevant people like GB but you will not survive to and end game town victory this game, on my honor as a Scotsman I will make sure you will be lynched before her, on my honor as the japanese emperor. Yeah, best we all shut up about it. Oops.
I don't care what you think of me JAT, you're literally always a pleasure to play with.
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Blazinghand
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Intro
So someone asked me about why I saved Trfel, and what my reasoning was for both the Trfel save and the Marv save. I think I owe it to everyone to sort of walk through what I Was thinking both during N0 and during the saves, as well as a more thorough explanation of Vivax. I don’t know how many people have really asked me direct questions but if anyone has any for me I’ll answer them. This is to address some concerns about my D1 play and I guess is a general defense post.
Saving Trfel
So people seem to have confusion or be scum reading me both for saving Trfel, and for like, questioning him first. In retrospect, if I was bringing my A game, probably the right move would be to reveal that I *could* save Trfel, then question him a bit, THEN save him. This would require a lot of effort and be the right move. What I did was basically be like “truffle are you town” and he was like “yarp” and I was like “ok i save u” and that was all there was to it. I don’t think having a scum read on BM or a town read on him is really relevant or necessary for this. Also, I’m not saying that mods sent me the wrong PM, but it’s entirely POSSIBLE they sent me the wrong PM and I thought I had infinite anti-nukes, so why not? Truffle wasn’t a good nuke target, and more likely to flip town then scum, so I Stopped the nuke. Didn’t think it was a big deal.
Saving Marv
People seem somehow, even more butthurt about the Marv save, though I think it was a fine move. Look, Marv is a truly great player. I joke around about being the best player or being better than rso (which I am, of course) but in reality, we’ve got a pretty stacked lineup this game. Marv is on the list of people who can win a game on his own through good scum reads and sheer bloody-mindedness when he’s town. I was gonna like, ask Palmar for a read on MArv, but then I realized, FUCK IT. Marv can be super useful as town, and although he’s also a talented scum player, he’s just so useful there’s no way I couldn’t save him. Yeah, I didn’t have a good reason, outside of that he’s Marv, but that alone IS a good reason. If he’s scum, someone will cop check him after he’s been alive for a couple nights, and if he’s town, well, then I fuckin kick ass as I always do. Yes, for a moment I was a pussy and thought I should ask Palmar for advice. But then I manned the fuck up and saved Marv. On my head be it, but my head houses an enormous, powerful brain.
Marv now
I’m gonna me like 9000% real, I haven’t really been paying attention to Marv. I’ve read every post in the thread, but apparently he’s written some huge post on me. Honestly, I suspect that even with my attempts to redirect the Nk onto rso, there’s a solid chance Marv dies tonight regardless if he’s town, so I’m not particularly worried about his case or anything. IF he lives, I’ll look into him, but I’d be a tiny bit astonished if he’s town and he makes it through the night. Even being wrong one me, Marv’s the kinda guy to figure things out and catch scum if not shot right away. Rs is a classic shot for being towered a lot, but not nearly as classic as actually shooting someone who knows how to catch scum. I guess I should go actually see what Marv is up to, so I’ll do that. Actually, if he does die, this might be like vital “last chance to talk to Marvellosity” time so I should make use of that huh
Hue
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Pictured: members of this town applying their scumhunting skills to drinking water
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Sorry been afk had a hell of a day. Should cat h up and be productive shortly
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