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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 22:55 GMT
#6
as long as people don't claim mafia as town or get afk modkilled or just afk or just get modkilled it's cool


/in
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 22:56 GMT
#7
and i'm just going to say, if there is a hydra i'm /out
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 23:06 GMT
#9
hey it says with very good reasons bro
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 23:22 GMT
#11
new self meta of just afking
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 23:23 GMT
#12
this game is responsible for my only loss in 12 games
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:07 GMT
#15
On May 05 2014 09:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well then better not afk!


afking is BEST strategy

if scum, then town fight between themselves
if town, come in whenever and prove hardcore town at later point in time
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 12 2014 05:34 GMT
#26
On May 12 2014 14:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Alright. I'm /in this game!

Let's go boys!!!

gggg
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 13 2014 04:02 GMT
#31
haha it's cool i'm still a video mafia newbie
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 13 2014 21:43 GMT
#37
On May 14 2014 05:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Thanks!
Looked interesting and it seems like people enjoyed the setup. Glad to hear it.


i actually prefer it on video :D maybe i'm just salty because of last game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-13 22:03:05
May 13 2014 22:02 GMT
#39
On May 14 2014 06:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:
It was interesting on video!!!

What happened last game?


Someone got himself modkilled and claimed mafia as town while doing it drunk. Loads of people afkd which made it impossible to figure out some cells and some other towny got afk modkilled :p
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 14 2014 07:48 GMT
#44
On May 14 2014 15:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol HF what happened on video mafia tonight? I went to the stream after it was done at people were bitching at ryuzilla that the games were shitty/trolly and your name came up lol


what did i do? x_x i dunno, im pretty nooby at video mafia till i get more exp but i think my reads are pretty legit
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 14 2014 07:49 GMT
#45
i looked at chat a few times and people were fosing me for "being too harsh and too jumpy" but they were on people that were trolling and were actually mafia so chat = wrong is legit heuristic
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 14 2014 18:37 GMT
#53
only played a few video mafia games lol definitely tl member :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 16 2014 01:25 GMT
#59
On May 16 2014 08:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
is this a fun setup?


pretty good yeh as long as no afkers
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 16 2014 02:20 GMT
#61
player list doesn't seem so bad for inactives atm though
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 16 2014 02:23 GMT
#63
meeeeeeeh should be fine
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 16 2014 02:23 GMT
#64
can't be as bad as last game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 16 2014 03:18 GMT
#67
Wuuuut :o
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 16 2014 05:16 GMT
#72
On May 16 2014 13:37 geript wrote:
I would play, but I really loathe this format. Hope it fills up though, because I know a number of people who absolutely love this format.

Just play bro
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 16 2014 06:13 GMT
#75
Well i can start the tl one again if people actually turn up :p
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 16 2014 16:58 GMT
#78
On May 17 2014 01:29 Amiko wrote:
/obs

I have been watching the twitch video you put up, but only like 30 minutes or an hour a day so I'm still just starting d3 it seems like it would be neat LYLO practice, though it's still hard for me to see too much strategy behind picking the mayor...


if you pick a mafia they can fuck shit up
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-16 17:34:30
May 16 2014 17:34 GMT
#80
yeh just put a low time limit on days
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 22 2014 20:52 GMT
#133
gonna /out as well
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 22 2014 21:44 GMT
#135
got exams very soon so we'll see when people start joining if it's around that time
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 26 2014 21:12 GMT
#148
/in, changing back to original posting style so don't lynch me!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 26 2014 21:15 GMT
#153
oh man not a smurf :/
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 26 2014 21:16 GMT
#154
whatevs we have enough now let's gogogogo tonight!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 26 2014 21:19 GMT
#157
On May 27 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Are smurf accounts bad?


annoying more than anything
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 21:21:16
May 26 2014 21:20 GMT
#159
also guaranteed to be town this game because my mafia rolls happen in groups of 3 and golden sun was 3rd
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 26 2014 21:38 GMT
#167
On May 27 2014 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Alright boys, we're starting at Tuesday, May 27 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Sending confirmation mails to everyone that signed up as signups have been going on for a while.


totes should do today
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 26 2014 21:41 GMT
#169
On May 27 2014 06:40 layabout wrote:
EU,.... Friendly?

everything i thought i knew was a lie.


well he's dutch
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 26 2014 22:11 GMT
#188
On May 27 2014 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Alright boys, we're starting at Tuesday, May 27 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Sending confirmation mails to everyone that signed up as signups have been going on for a while.

On May 27 2014 06:59 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 06:48 mtamburini wrote:
Down side is I cant fake claim any roles in this setup up at all


That is quitter attitude Tamburini. I think we can both pull off a fake claim this game.


Also the Time on TL always fucks with my head wtb american time. In all honesty though when is deadline time in U.S. Central time? (or eastern pacific. I'm not sure how UTC converts or what it stands for)


this is using the [date] timestamp and should be auto in your timezone if you've set it correctly in your profile
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 26 2014 22:13 GMT
#190
It's in for the less apt.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 14:55 GMT
#210
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 18:19 GMT
#212
/hype
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 21:01 GMT
#214
thought it started right now /anti-hype

1 hour /hype though!

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:01 GMT
#218
[image loading]

VOTE HOLYFLARE FOR MAYOR




  • Do you like winning games?
  • Do you want someone in power who is charming, friendly and a sexy beast?
  • Do you want a free and easy point in towns favour when it comes to winning my cell?
  • Do you want someone that will listen to the people when it comes to deciding the lynch order?
  • Do you want a romantic walk on the beach anytime you and me are together and a beach is nearby?


If you answered yes to any of those questions then I am the man for you. If you click my profile you will see that I have an enormous amount of wins in a row. This is purely because of the fact that i'm good. If I'm mafia i'll be bussing and you should be getting free points regardless. I love to bus and this setup is majorly favoured for that. If I'm town I'll be right anyway so what have you got to lose? It's win/win for everybody! Everybody but scum that is. We hate those scum.

Not only that but I've already crumbed my role in this post. Is it not obvious? I'm green. Green is the colour of town. I am town. You should love to follow someone who is good and is town. So, naturally, you should follow me. Follow me to victory that is. Who likes winning? I do!

In a recent survey of everyone on this planet, people had the following things to say about my mafia abilities:

[image loading]

Do you SEE THAT? I'm a team-player, a proactive problem-solver! Most importantly, I am hard. I am so very aroused at the mere idea of winning that it's simply the only thing I can do. Will you join me? Will you, too, feel this hard?


A vote for me is a vote for winning.


##Vote Holyflare
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:05 GMT
#223
What is time? Time is just an arbitrary parameter by which many people live their lives. I transcend time. What more could you ask for in a mayor than someone who transcends the paramater by which humanity lives? I am no human. I am Holyflare. I am your next mayor.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:08 GMT
#225
On May 28 2014 07:06 ShiaoPi wrote:
so holyflare, if you were mayor, how would you arrange the cells?


Here's the thing. As your future mayor I know what people want. People want to be listened to, to be acknowledged. As a man elected by the people I am a servant of the people. I will follow the whim of the majority for that is the honourable leader that I am.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:13 GMT
#232
On May 28 2014 07:10 ShiaoPi wrote:
so you basically do not have a clue and just want to snag the mayor? Not happening. How about you fill your campaign with some more substance


Fail to plan, plan to fail. That's the motto most live by. I am not most. I foresee that a pre-emptive plan will be useless in a game such as this. While I am your future mayor, I am not omniscient!

It is with this in mind that we play out the day like any other, we make reads and collect data. TOGETHER we shall bring peace to this mafia ridden town and recover from the travesty of Cell 1.0. This is a democracy. I am just a pretty face for the people.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:18 GMT
#234
On May 28 2014 07:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not joking around. I will go to any lengths necessary to make sure HF gets no more power than he absolutely must have as I cannot trust him even slightly. Obviously even if scum get mayor it's not the biggest advantage but if there's someone who could use it to his advantage as scum it's. HF. And I'm not taking that chance.

As far as 'best use' of mayor role, I didn't play in the last one but I would assume you remove the 'don't ant this group at LYLO' types first? What was the past mayoral strategy?


I see that you will be a thorn in my election. That being said, I do not mind your aprehension, it is justified! However, I stake my reputation on this game, I will not make this another loss like last time! I will divulge to you the secrets of this game.

There are several approaches you can take:

A) The first lynches will be the ones you think are fairly obvious and will net town a few points.
B) The first 1 or 2 lynches will be coinflippy as you get rid of useless points of contention.

I suggest going with A) with the caveat that you let the talkers stay in the game to figure it out and not leave the weakest people till last.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:20 GMT
#237
On May 28 2014 07:19 ShiaoPi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 07:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 07:10 ShiaoPi wrote:
so you basically do not have a clue and just want to snag the mayor? Not happening. How about you fill your campaign with some more substance


Fail to plan, plan to fail. That's the motto most live by. I am not most. I foresee that a pre-emptive plan will be useless in a game such as this. While I am your future mayor, I am not omniscient!

It is with this in mind that we play out the day like any other, we make reads and collect data. TOGETHER we shall bring peace to this mafia ridden town and recover from the travesty of Cell 1.0. This is a democracy. I am just a pretty face for the people.


Why would a plan or an idea on how to arrange the order fail in the first hand? Currently your campaign is just:
"Make me mayor, cause Holyflare"
Why should any of us trust you?


If you make a plan now based on no information you do not know what is going to happen or not. There might be really obvious lynches that we'd want to go first that we just don't know about until people have started talking. There is no possible way to make a good plan just based on the list of names alone.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:22 GMT
#240
On May 28 2014 07:19 ShiaoPi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 07:18 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 07:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not joking around. I will go to any lengths necessary to make sure HF gets no more power than he absolutely must have as I cannot trust him even slightly. Obviously even if scum get mayor it's not the biggest advantage but if there's someone who could use it to his advantage as scum it's. HF. And I'm not taking that chance.

As far as 'best use' of mayor role, I didn't play in the last one but I would assume you remove the 'don't ant this group at LYLO' types first? What was the past mayoral strategy?


I see that you will be a thorn in my election. That being said, I do not mind your aprehension, it is justified! However, I stake my reputation on this game, I will not make this another loss like last time! I will divulge to you the secrets of this game.

There are several approaches you can take:

A) The first lynches will be the ones you think are fairly obvious and will net town a few points.
B) The first 1 or 2 lynches will be coinflippy as you get rid of useless points of contention.

I suggest going with A) with the caveat that you let the talkers stay in the game to figure it out and not leave the weakest people till last.


ninja'ed

Why not say you want to go with something like A) in the first place then?


Well i'm town so as long as I get it nobody can ninja it and fuck up on a pre-determined order like last game (even though rayn was town.... dick)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:24 GMT
#244
On May 28 2014 07:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
27ninjabunnies here reporting live in cell mafia game.

Things are getting pretty interesting as Holyflare makes it known early he wants to be mayor.

There are no opposition yet to holyflare's candidacy for mayor.

Holyflare: Why do you think that you would make the best mayor for town? And how hard do you have to be in order to win for town?


Simply because I do not care to mess with such trivialities as lynch orders when I could be discovering who is mafia! I will listen to what everyone else thinks and we'll make an informed decision based on what everyone has posted.

I am always at maximum hardness which is why I always win.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:24 GMT
#246
On May 28 2014 07:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
Not answering my question there HF


because I just wanted to be funny :'(
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:25 GMT
#247
honestly though being mayor doesn't really matter much, it's just a way to make an order and if mafia get it then it only screws stuff up a tiny bit but not really that much in the scheme of things
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:29 GMT
#252
is batsnacks a smurf or new?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:31 GMT
#255
honestly I'll pretty much vote anyone for mayor because if they put me first i'll pretty much be confirmed town because they want me out of the game and if they put me last i'll solve the game so /care
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:33 GMT
#257
On May 28 2014 07:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm fine with rng mayor tbh, so long as it doesn't become a point of contention for the entire day.

HF can you explain what the strategy was for mayor last time?


Exactly the strategy i outlined in A). We wanted to get the most points for town as possible so we wouldn't fuck it up later so we were organising it by getting mafia reads and collectively deciding.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:37 GMT
#260
On May 28 2014 07:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
honestly I'll pretty much vote anyone for mayor because if they put me first i'll pretty much be confirmed town because they want me out of the game and if they put me last i'll solve the game so /care



why campaign in that way to begin with then?


i thought the game started an hour earlier so i turned up and had nothing to do and already had my role pm so was like fuck it may as well make a pretty post and I always run for mayor
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:42 GMT
#261
Dick move analysis suggests everyone that was around at the start of the game is very likely town. GG scum!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:48 GMT
#264
On May 28 2014 07:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
I dunno I'm getting pricklies about Shiao but it's early.
Also that's not even remotely how dick move analysis was supposed to work.


I am using my penis to analyse everything.

Either way, we got our pm's substantially before the game started. Gonna wifom it and say that mafia cba to appear at start of deadline compared to someone who is looking forward to playing and is town.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:57 GMT
#278
On May 28 2014 07:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 07:48 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 07:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
I dunno I'm getting pricklies about Shiao but it's early.
Also that's not even remotely how dick move analysis was supposed to work.


I am using my penis to analyse everything.

Either way, we got our pm's substantially before the game started. Gonna wifom it and say that mafia cba to appear at start of deadline compared to someone who is looking forward to playing and is town.

You know very well that either of us would as scum.


yes but i'm ignoring you and i know i'm town so that didn't really factor into any equation whatsoever did it?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:57 GMT
#279
On May 28 2014 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm posting this just so everyone knows where I'm at right now
[image loading]

hahahahaa
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 22:58 GMT
#282
On May 28 2014 07:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 07:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 28 2014 07:48 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 07:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
I dunno I'm getting pricklies about Shiao but it's early.
Also that's not even remotely how dick move analysis was supposed to work.


I am using my penis to analyse everything.

Either way, we got our pm's substantially before the game started. Gonna wifom it and say that mafia cba to appear at start of deadline compared to someone who is looking forward to playing and is town.

You know very well that either of us would as scum.


yes but i'm ignoring you and i know i'm town so that didn't really factor into any equation whatsoever did it?

Why are you ignoring me?


because you'd be happy to play mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 23:04 GMT
#289
On May 28 2014 08:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 07:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 28 2014 07:57 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 07:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 28 2014 07:48 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 07:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
I dunno I'm getting pricklies about Shiao but it's early.
Also that's not even remotely how dick move analysis was supposed to work.


I am using my penis to analyse everything.

Either way, we got our pm's substantially before the game started. Gonna wifom it and say that mafia cba to appear at start of deadline compared to someone who is looking forward to playing and is town.

You know very well that either of us would as scum.


yes but i'm ignoring you and i know i'm town so that didn't really factor into any equation whatsoever did it?

Why are you ignoring me?


because you'd be happy to play mafia

And you say you're not but you still try just as hard as if you are.

Not to mention you don't know much about a great deal of the people in here so how can you know they're not excited or are good at scum so sad to want to begin posting right away?

AND ALSO if I'm happy to play scum and here I am, am I scum?


lol wth? I said it was a silly analysis anyway :o why would i need to analyse myself haha??? AND i said i'm ignoring you for that very reason!!!

i know a lot of people here are new and playing scum is pretty meh when you're just starting out and are against me so they'd be afraid and not as happy as most people have shown here, some people have even told me they are scared of playing as mafia etc


but way to blow it out of proportion!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 23:06 GMT
#290
On May 28 2014 08:00 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Yeah, no one from my cell are here yet, so idk what to think about them.

Also HF never answered my question about getting weaker players out of the game, and whom he thought were the weaker players.


i never said to get rid of weaker players
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 23:07 GMT
#292
On May 28 2014 08:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Lol 'against me' plz.
If they're new they don't give a shit about you. Not to mention many of the players aren't new to mafia, just new to T l mafia.

And I still don't understand what you mean by you're ignoring me then. You mean you're simply excluding me from your heuristic because I don't apply, or because you think it makes me scum?


because quite obviously like i said, it doesn't apply to you?

why you so mad bro
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 23:14 GMT
#298
On May 28 2014 08:10 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 08:00 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Yeah, no one from my cell are here yet, so idk what to think about them.

Also HF never answered my question about getting weaker players out of the game, and whom he thought were the weaker players.


i never said to get rid of weaker players


Oh really?

Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 07:18 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 07:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not joking around. I will go to any lengths necessary to make sure HF gets no more power than he absolutely must have as I cannot trust him even slightly. Obviously even if scum get mayor it's not the biggest advantage but if there's someone who could use it to his advantage as scum it's. HF. And I'm not taking that chance.

As far as 'best use' of mayor role, I didn't play in the last one but I would assume you remove the 'don't ant this group at LYLO' types first? What was the past mayoral strategy?


I see that you will be a thorn in my election. That being said, I do not mind your aprehension, it is justified! However, I stake my reputation on this game, I will not make this another loss like last time! I will divulge to you the secrets of this game.

There are several approaches you can take:

A) The first lynches will be the ones you think are fairly obvious and will net town a few points.
B) The first 1 or 2 lynches will be coinflippy as you get rid of useless points of contention.

I suggest going with A) with the caveat that you let the talkers stay in the game to figure it out and not leave the weakest people till last.


That looks like you are talking about putting weaker players first and getting rid of them.


well i meant the inverse of the non-talky people, aka the people with less mafia experience
Holyflare
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May 27 2014 23:30 GMT
#313
On May 28 2014 08:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
K now that I've actually properly looked at the other cells than mine, D/E are gonna be shit to figure out.


Wave dropping the bomb that I'm already town. How do you like dem apples.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 23:32 GMT
#315
On May 28 2014 08:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 08:14 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 08:10 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 28 2014 08:06 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 08:00 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Yeah, no one from my cell are here yet, so idk what to think about them.

Also HF never answered my question about getting weaker players out of the game, and whom he thought were the weaker players.


i never said to get rid of weaker players


Oh really?

On May 28 2014 07:18 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 07:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not joking around. I will go to any lengths necessary to make sure HF gets no more power than he absolutely must have as I cannot trust him even slightly. Obviously even if scum get mayor it's not the biggest advantage but if there's someone who could use it to his advantage as scum it's. HF. And I'm not taking that chance.

As far as 'best use' of mayor role, I didn't play in the last one but I would assume you remove the 'don't ant this group at LYLO' types first? What was the past mayoral strategy?


I see that you will be a thorn in my election. That being said, I do not mind your aprehension, it is justified! However, I stake my reputation on this game, I will not make this another loss like last time! I will divulge to you the secrets of this game.

There are several approaches you can take:

A) The first lynches will be the ones you think are fairly obvious and will net town a few points.
B) The first 1 or 2 lynches will be coinflippy as you get rid of useless points of contention.

I suggest going with A) with the caveat that you let the talkers stay in the game to figure it out and not leave the weakest people till last.


That looks like you are talking about putting weaker players first and getting rid of them.


well i meant the inverse of the non-talky people, aka the people with less mafia experience


Okay? And those would be?

I believe we all have quite a bit of mafia experience.


A lot of forum mafia experience. So me, wave/palmar, mz etc.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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May 27 2014 23:40 GMT
#325
On May 28 2014 08:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 08:35 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 28 2014 07:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
ritoky and thrawn huh? One of you is scum and you're going down the hard way.

Also no to HF as mayor, I'd rather RNG mayor...


Dear god RNG already. Did we not learn our lesson in Golden Sun? Although I think that bringing up the bad idea of Rng makes you more town in that mafia would most likely want to secure mayor for themselves leaving it up to RNG sounds more towny thought process but a bad idea.

Meh, not really. Mayoral role is mostly useless in this setup, but thanks for playing!

So, we lynching Plammar?


if it's useless why are you so against me having it
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 27 2014 23:50 GMT
#333
kinda want batsnackattack to post because shiaopi is kinda off and smelling like scum! put's a case out on me being scum because i didn't answer his question fast enough! ludicrous!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 00:00 GMT
#339
On May 28 2014 08:50 ritoky wrote:
I just looked at where HF is from, and this is a MUST know question!

HF are you from the land of King George III (aka King Thrawn III) or the land of Winston Churchill? This is crucial in determining your fate.


they're the same land -.-
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 00:05 GMT
#345
On May 28 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 08:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
MZ what say you? Should I actually be voting ritoky for mayor? As a rule I'm not a big fan of the tryhard election types, even as a joke, and I'm not sure I follow your read.

Also our fuzzy wuzzy town circle needs to be bigger. Who should we add?


Not tamburini. He comes in with that RNG bs and doesn't even fake claim like we talked about in pregame. He also I would think feels his reads are better than RNG maybe its just a troll but still. He is a no-no.

@HF say you couldn't run for mayor cause you are from the wrong country. Who would you elect out of the rest of us based on nothing in the game just general strategy reasons?


[image loading]

1. 27ninjabunnies
2. Tehpoofter
3. mtamburini
4. mderg
5. Palmar
6. thrawn2112
7. slOosh
8. ShiaoPi
9. batsnacks
10. ritoky
11. WaveofShadow
12. Meapak_Ziphh
13. layabout
14. Holyflare
15. ObiWanShinobi
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 00:07 GMT
#351
On May 28 2014 09:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 28 2014 08:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
MZ what say you? Should I actually be voting ritoky for mayor? As a rule I'm not a big fan of the tryhard election types, even as a joke, and I'm not sure I follow your read.

Also our fuzzy wuzzy town circle needs to be bigger. Who should we add?


Not tamburini. He comes in with that RNG bs and doesn't even fake claim like we talked about in pregame. He also I would think feels his reads are better than RNG maybe its just a troll but still. He is a no-no.

@HF say you couldn't run for mayor cause you are from the wrong country. Who would you elect out of the rest of us based on nothing in the game just general strategy reasons?


[image loading]

1. 27ninjabunnies
2. Tehpoofter
3. mtamburini
4. mderg
5. Palmar
6. thrawn2112
7. slOosh
8. ShiaoPi
9. batsnacks
10. ritoky
11. WaveofShadow
12. Meapak_Ziphh
13. layabout
14. Holyflare
15. ObiWanShinobi



Ooo im #1!!!!

What does this mean?

rng supports my election
Holyflare
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 00:08 GMT
#353
it was a total independant verdict
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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May 28 2014 00:09 GMT
#354
rng aside i'd probs vote bunnies because her order was pretty sound
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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May 28 2014 00:12 GMT
#360
On May 28 2014 09:12 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 09:10 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 28 2014 09:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 28 2014 09:07 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 28 2014 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 28 2014 08:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
MZ what say you? Should I actually be voting ritoky for mayor? As a rule I'm not a big fan of the tryhard election types, even as a joke, and I'm not sure I follow your read.

Also our fuzzy wuzzy town circle needs to be bigger. Who should we add?


Not tamburini. He comes in with that RNG bs and doesn't even fake claim like we talked about in pregame. He also I would think feels his reads are better than RNG maybe its just a troll but still. He is a no-no.

@HF say you couldn't run for mayor cause you are from the wrong country. Who would you elect out of the rest of us based on nothing in the game just general strategy reasons?


[image loading]

1. 27ninjabunnies
2. Tehpoofter
3. mtamburini
4. mderg
5. Palmar
6. thrawn2112
7. slOosh
8. ShiaoPi
9. batsnacks
10. ritoky
11. WaveofShadow
12. Meapak_Ziphh
13. layabout
14. Holyflare
15. ObiWanShinobi



Thats some pretty sound analysis. Well girls can't be mayor so better vote for me HF.
Is WoS happy cause hes mafia or just happy?


Excuse me?

Women can do as they please! We have the right to vote! There are many women who are currently in government offices! Congress, parliment, governors, and mayors!

Get rekt.


I'm like 80% sure its against the law.


Geeze what state are you from? Cause im pretty sure you are completely wrong here.


In england women aren't even allowed to vote.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 00:20 GMT
#367
On May 28 2014 09:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 09:11 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 28 2014 09:10 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 28 2014 09:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 28 2014 09:07 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 28 2014 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 28 2014 08:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
MZ what say you? Should I actually be voting ritoky for mayor? As a rule I'm not a big fan of the tryhard election types, even as a joke, and I'm not sure I follow your read.

Also our fuzzy wuzzy town circle needs to be bigger. Who should we add?


Not tamburini. He comes in with that RNG bs and doesn't even fake claim like we talked about in pregame. He also I would think feels his reads are better than RNG maybe its just a troll but still. He is a no-no.

@HF say you couldn't run for mayor cause you are from the wrong country. Who would you elect out of the rest of us based on nothing in the game just general strategy reasons?


[image loading]

1. 27ninjabunnies
2. Tehpoofter
3. mtamburini
4. mderg
5. Palmar
6. thrawn2112
7. slOosh
8. ShiaoPi
9. batsnacks
10. ritoky
11. WaveofShadow
12. Meapak_Ziphh
13. layabout
14. Holyflare
15. ObiWanShinobi



Thats some pretty sound analysis. Well girls can't be mayor so better vote for me HF.
Is WoS happy cause hes mafia or just happy?


Excuse me?

Women can do as they please! We have the right to vote! There are many women who are currently in government offices! Congress, parliment, governors, and mayors!

Get rekt.


I'm like 80% sure its against the law.



Bunnies why do you care so much about the order?
Who in my group is mafia I think we have all spoken now?
How fast should we lynch tamburini on the day he is voted on in terms of seconds?


I think order is important based off of reads and ability to play. I also think who elected is important too. If mafia get mayor, they can easily choose the order in which they think likely mislynches can go, and put their stronger mafia players towards the end. That's why holyflare (regardless of me say his cat was cute) is a little iffy to me cause he wanted to get the weaker, less experienced players out of the way, while leaving the more experienced players around. Order can go in favor for both town or mafia, depending on who mayor is and the way the order is, if that makes sense.

I like WOS out of your group. You i'm a little iffy on, but you have been talking, and asking questions. I think you are a bit trolly tbh, which im not sure what it is indicative of in your forum play. The meta thing on palmer is a little weird, as i dont know palmer's meta. Also, palmer not wanting to participate in mayor discussion seems a little scummy to me, so in order of scum for your cell id go Palmer, You, WOS.

The post right after host says day begins for tamburini's cell, Im voting for him. Why? Because why not.


I think you'll recall i said i wanted to get the easy town points in the bag first
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 00:25 GMT
#370
On May 28 2014 09:19 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 09:12 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 09:12 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 28 2014 09:10 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 28 2014 09:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 28 2014 09:07 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 28 2014 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 28 2014 08:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
MZ what say you? Should I actually be voting ritoky for mayor? As a rule I'm not a big fan of the tryhard election types, even as a joke, and I'm not sure I follow your read.

Also our fuzzy wuzzy town circle needs to be bigger. Who should we add?


Not tamburini. He comes in with that RNG bs and doesn't even fake claim like we talked about in pregame. He also I would think feels his reads are better than RNG maybe its just a troll but still. He is a no-no.

@HF say you couldn't run for mayor cause you are from the wrong country. Who would you elect out of the rest of us based on nothing in the game just general strategy reasons?


[image loading]

1. 27ninjabunnies
2. Tehpoofter
3. mtamburini
4. mderg
5. Palmar
6. thrawn2112
7. slOosh
8. ShiaoPi
9. batsnacks
10. ritoky
11. WaveofShadow
12. Meapak_Ziphh
13. layabout
14. Holyflare
15. ObiWanShinobi



Thats some pretty sound analysis. Well girls can't be mayor so better vote for me HF.
Is WoS happy cause hes mafia or just happy?


Excuse me?

Women can do as they please! We have the right to vote! There are many women who are currently in government offices! Congress, parliment, governors, and mayors!

Get rekt.


I'm like 80% sure its against the law.


Geeze what state are you from? Cause im pretty sure you are completely wrong here.


In england women aren't even allowed to vote.


What? Blasphemy. But you're wrong.

Women got the right to vote in England in the early 1900s

Tbh, im 20 and not even registered to vote yet.

I should get on that.


This is not true. It's a conspiracy to subdue the women, we put genders on our voting forms for "statistical benefit" but the real secret is that we just throw the womens votes in the bin.

True freedom.


http://imgur.com/kdgDGNR

get added to my list, stop being poopy people!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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May 28 2014 00:25 GMT
#371
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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May 28 2014 00:39 GMT
#377
man, read shiaopi's filter and tell me that guy isn't either super tunneled 5 minutes into a game or mafia!

i answer all his questions pretty well and often and then he just asks more and more which I still answer and he doesn't comment on any of them and then fecks off calling me mafia for answering questions too slow lol :DDD
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 00:39 GMT
#378
On May 28 2014 09:37 Tehpoofter wrote:
@HF how much the same/different do you think the meta for mafia will be in forum vs what it was in video? Please don't describer the meta just go with same or different.


like 80% different
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 00:43 GMT
#381
On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads?


In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already.

The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews).

Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B.

The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk.


[image loading]

welcome to the select group of The Town Pile™
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 00:54 GMT
#387
On May 28 2014 09:51 ritoky wrote:
Now, I know that I should be here to further the goals of freedom, but unfortunately I just got a call from my brother at the vet that my dog who has been sick for the last week is going to have to be put down. So I am going to have to go there to say goodbye to him. I will be taking a couple hour hiatus, I hope you can understand that even the greatest of warriors have soft spots in their heart.

Remember, that freedom must prevail.


At least he will now experience true freedom! take as much time as you want

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 01:00 GMT
#389
tempted to just stick mz as town but really wanna see what thrawn does
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 01:09 GMT
#392
cell d needs to step up
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 02:04 GMT
#410
On May 28 2014 11:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
/obs
Or should I pm a host?


should be pming
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 02:04 GMT
#412
i like layabout
Holyflare
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May 28 2014 02:18 GMT
#417
On May 28 2014 10:25 layabout wrote:
i am not voting for a pro-murican

don't elect bunnies or mderg

ima read cell 1

l8rs


best post
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 02:22 GMT
#420
On May 28 2014 11:20 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 11:18 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 10:25 layabout wrote:
i am not voting for a pro-murican

don't elect bunnies or mderg

ima read cell 1

l8rs


best post


You only think its the best post because of what i bolded...

And the fact he's from the UK


pretty much, what's your point?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 02:37 GMT
#427
On May 28 2014 11:31 slOosh wrote:
We should lynch into the clearest read cells first.

We win by hitting 3 scum - this game plays out more like Resistance than traditional mafia. Doesn't matter what quality of players we have at the end. Hitting scum early is best.

That said I think Cell A or B should be first - probably B due to higher activity. Then C, E, D.

ritoky is most sensible for coming up with a similar plan before me.

##Vote: ritoky


So do you have an opinion on these cells players then? Seeing as ritoky's plan is most similar to yours and his was based off of a lot of reads, do yours add up to his?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 02:45 GMT
#431
On May 28 2014 11:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I dunno, 2/5 scum in the first few hours is pretty good I'd say.


who was your 2nd after Palmer? I'm assuming thrawn because of you town reading ritoky/Mz but just making sure. I am not sold on MZ he buddied up really fast to ritoky who vomited town all over the thread. But he had the early post about RNG that sounded town and the fact thrawn for all we know could be in the thread he never posts so reading him is difficult. I'm way more certain on Palmer though.


if thrawn doesn't play he's most likely mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 02:53 GMT
#438
On May 28 2014 11:50 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 11:37 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 11:31 slOosh wrote:
We should lynch into the clearest read cells first.

We win by hitting 3 scum - this game plays out more like Resistance than traditional mafia. Doesn't matter what quality of players we have at the end. Hitting scum early is best.

That said I think Cell A or B should be first - probably B due to higher activity. Then C, E, D.

ritoky is most sensible for coming up with a similar plan before me.

##Vote: ritoky

So do you have an opinion on these cells players then? Seeing as ritoky's plan is most similar to yours and his was based off of a lot of reads, do yours add up to his?

My plan has nothing to do with current reads?


That said I think Cell A or B should be first - probably B due to higher activity. Then C, E, D.

ritoky is most sensible for coming up with a similar plan before me.


How can you even have a plan if it has nothing to do with reads? You like ritoky's plan but his is based on reads. If you like his plan you therefore must agree with his reads?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 02:54 GMT
#439
On May 28 2014 11:51 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 11:45 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 11:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 28 2014 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I dunno, 2/5 scum in the first few hours is pretty good I'd say.


who was your 2nd after Palmer? I'm assuming thrawn because of you town reading ritoky/Mz but just making sure. I am not sold on MZ he buddied up really fast to ritoky who vomited town all over the thread. But he had the early post about RNG that sounded town and the fact thrawn for all we know could be in the thread he never posts so reading him is difficult. I'm way more certain on Palmer though.


if thrawn doesn't play he's most likely mafia


His scum play in Golden Sun was not much different to his town play in my eyes so we will see when he shows up, I feel like if I feel like I do about this cell right now as I do when they come time to vote I'll vote thrawn.

What you think of ObiWan? Do you really like layabout?
I get this odd feeling they both came into the thread upset or something maybe because we already caught Palmer and the noose is tightening around people like thrawn/Shaopi and tambo.


It's very different he's a lot more active and conversational as town. Golden sun is an example of him posting just to get by. Yuma is an example of his town play where he is very chatty and there are inbetweens but they should be ok to figure out.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 02:58 GMT
#444
On May 28 2014 11:57 slOosh wrote:
Like, what's the point of running for mayor if you don't even have a plan?


Who is running for mayor without a plan?


Also I missed this poofter:

What you think of ObiWan? Do you really like layabout?
I get this odd feeling they both came into the thread upset or something maybe because we already caught Palmer and the noose is tightening around people like thrawn/Shaopi and tambo.


twat face and no are my responses
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 03:02 GMT
#447
On May 28 2014 12:00 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 11:58 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 11:57 slOosh wrote:
Like, what's the point of running for mayor if you don't even have a plan?


Who is running for mayor without a plan?


Also I missed this poofter:

What you think of ObiWan? Do you really like layabout?
I get this odd feeling they both came into the thread upset or something maybe because we already caught Palmer and the noose is tightening around people like thrawn/Shaopi and tambo.


twat face and no are my responses

I'm sorry.

Holyflare, what is your plan for Cell order?

On May 28 2014 07:18 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 07:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not joking around. I will go to any lengths necessary to make sure HF gets no more power than he absolutely must have as I cannot trust him even slightly. Obviously even if scum get mayor it's not the biggest advantage but if there's someone who could use it to his advantage as scum it's. HF. And I'm not taking that chance.

As far as 'best use' of mayor role, I didn't play in the last one but I would assume you remove the 'don't ant this group at LYLO' types first? What was the past mayoral strategy?


I see that you will be a thorn in my election. That being said, I do not mind your aprehension, it is justified! However, I stake my reputation on this game, I will not make this another loss like last time! I will divulge to you the secrets of this game.

There are several approaches you can take:

A) The first lynches will be the ones you think are fairly obvious and will net town a few points.
B) The first 1 or 2 lynches will be coinflippy as you get rid of useless points of contention.

I suggest going with A) with the caveat that you let the talkers stay in the game to figure it out and not leave the weakest people till last.



Anyone that can possibly make a cell order when almost half the people haven't spoken yet is crazy.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 03:07 GMT
#451
Like I said, half the people haven't spoken yet. The only possible cell you could have a general idea about is the wave/palmar/poofter one because all the people have spoken and even then it's a reach at best until they have all spoken more. So that would be possibly 1, just 1 group, where you would put them at the start to get a point for town. The rest of the groups are so incomplete it is effectively worthless wifom to post an order when you have no idea what's going to happen.

The best you can do is outline what plan of action you are taking and then as a team we make an order together, right near the end of the day when we have as much information as possible.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 03:09 GMT
#452
man batsnacks reads so much like lsb it's uncanny, even has bat in the name...
Holyflare
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 28 2014 03:12 GMT
#454
- Lynch lowest "contributing" groups first. This has already been mentioned once in the thread. Nominations, filter length, post count, meta, etc. could all be used as metrics for "contribution." High contributing people will have the most content to analyze in the end game, so it is beneficial to keep them around longer. More data is better.

- Analyze groups as though all three members could be mafia and lynch groups with "most mafia members." Conversely analyze groups as though all three members could be town and lynch groups with "least town members." Compare the two lists and check for differences. If three of the five mafia members could be in a single group, which group would you lynch first?


These are the two I have problems with. First of all, if you lynch groups with the lowest contribution you are essentially taking a shot in the dark because there is a lot less to look at when lynching that group. If this happens with 2 groups in a row then we end up already being 2-0 down and some easier to read people might be at the back of the line because they contributed a lot but ended up being mafia.

Secondly, if you analyse the groups in terms of "most mafia members" then you're essentially saying that the general consensus is that nobody has any idea who is mafia within that cell thereby making it another shot in the dark. Least town members is kinda alright-ish but also will end up in probably many meh moments.
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May 28 2014 03:13 GMT
#455
On May 28 2014 12:12 slOosh wrote:
Holyflare, did you read Cell Mini 1? If so, what do you think of their ordering?


I was in that game......... -.- The ordering was something we decided as a group at the end of the day and it WOULD have worked out well if rayn didn't get wasted and fucked up the order. It would have followed the procedure I stated whereby we lynch the easy +town points first.
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May 28 2014 03:19 GMT
#458
On May 28 2014 12:17 slOosh wrote:
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On May 28 2014 12:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 12:12 slOosh wrote:
Holyflare, did you read Cell Mini 1? If so, what do you think of their ordering?


I was in that game......... -.- The ordering was something we decided as a group at the end of the day and it WOULD have worked out well if rayn didn't get wasted and fucked up the order. It would have followed the procedure I stated whereby we lynch the easy +town points first.

Oh god ... this is awkward ...

where was the question leading?
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May 28 2014 03:30 GMT
#460
On May 28 2014 12:25 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 12:19 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 12:17 slOosh wrote:
On May 28 2014 12:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 28 2014 12:12 slOosh wrote:
Holyflare, did you read Cell Mini 1? If so, what do you think of their ordering?


I was in that game......... -.- The ordering was something we decided as a group at the end of the day and it WOULD have worked out well if rayn didn't get wasted and fucked up the order. It would have followed the procedure I stated whereby we lynch the easy +town points first.

Oh god ... this is awkward ...

where was the question leading?

Well I was going to get at the day 1 cell. Palmar + Sentinel + Coag. Essentially (as I saw it when I read) was that the town wanted to lynch to clear inactives, basically adopting the "who don't we want at LYLO". As evident from how it went down, even had Palmar been town, it would have been a terrible cell as mafia have a larger than normal influence compared to traditional games.

By having an "active" group such as cell B go forth, there is bound to be interaction and a much better shot at hitting the right lynch.


we wanted the rayn/gumshoe/steveling cell to go first but rayn rage quit
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May 28 2014 03:38 GMT
#462
well that's cool, have a town read for doing research
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May 28 2014 04:10 GMT
#464
On May 28 2014 12:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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On May 28 2014 12:38 Holyflare wrote:
well that's cool, have a town read for doing research

Why didn't you town read me. QQ.


Boo hoo?
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May 28 2014 05:35 GMT
#477
I totally meant bum! Don't like the fake jedi still though.
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May 28 2014 05:36 GMT
#478
Wave why vote ritoky if you trust mz more...? Dafuk is that!
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May 28 2014 06:08 GMT
#482
No point ever risking coin flips at the start when you can get +town points
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May 28 2014 06:17 GMT
#484
How can you even decide groups before everyone has spoken. Much confusion. Very pushy!

Let's move away from this policy nono stuff and talk about the peeps! You start because I'm lazy and watching some cookery stuff
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May 28 2014 06:43 GMT
#490
I dunnooo people that haven't talked but you know kind of how they play or something
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May 28 2014 16:13 GMT
#505
yup lynching palmar
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May 28 2014 16:47 GMT
#507
no love bro
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May 28 2014 16:47 GMT
#508
On May 28 2014 21:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
OdinOfPergo replaces thrawn2112.


you replaced in as mafia, how does it feeeeeeeel? :O
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May 28 2014 17:24 GMT
#512
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Nothing has totaallyyyyyy changed since this last read thing but people HAVE appeared and talked and then left, don't like it.

Cell A:

This cell should prove to be the most obvious cell there is. Ritoky pretty much universally town read and MZ was talking a lot (albeit pretty much nonsense). Odin might change things around a bit but in all honesty that is not likely to be the case because thrawn replaced and i'm gonna be a dick and say it's because he was mafia. Sorry, if you're town odin you need to somehow shit town rainbows in the next day or two.

Cell B:

Palmar refusing to read the mayor elections day but still acting like he's getting reads out of nothing. Says he was gonna read but then didn't. Trolling about. Would lynch even if wave gives me scummy feelz. Poofter told me before he was afraid to post as mafia and he didn't seem afraid in the early few hours of the game hence the early town read.

Cell C:

I am super town hero mayor. Batsnacks only post presented options for cell ordering which is pretty much just policy talk and half of it was erroneous. Nothing from him since but it's annoying because shiaopi was super tunnely based on nothing and got scum reads based off nothing so it's kind of hard for me to see him as town either -.- more talk plzzzzzzz


Cell D:

This cell should be last, always last. 0 town reads in it and all of them being equally absent. Sloosh did research, albeit wrong research, but looked like he had a train of thought to go along with which made me lean slightlyyy more towny on him but not enough to add him to green list. Smurf is just pretty much trolling and got all aggro on me when i town read sloosh for what i stated previously, looks jelly of town hunting skillz. Tambo..... rng and useless.


Cell E:

Bunnies pretty much towny for trying to actually see wtf is up with people and presenting reads. Liked her initial order etc. Layabout from UK so hard to hate but he has really done like nothing. Mderg on the other hand hasn't really said much but from the little he's said it looks like he's willing to start contributing so that cell can be left for one before last because 2/3 people are talking in it



Order:

A > B > C > E > D

The cells with the most people talking in should be easier to get +town points. Cell A is an obvious start and Cell B also has all 3 people talking too, even if palmar is being palmar. My cell also has had all 3 people kinda talk but it's not enough to get a good read on the other two yet so i've left that for 3rd so they get more time to actually say something. If the game continues past this then cell E should most definitely be before D because D is a massive coin flip at the moment whereas E has people talking.


As for mayor, I don't really care if it's me or ritoky as we both have similar ideas for ordering. I would prefer myself obviously because I know i'm town but I understand the people's fears of not trusting me so that's fine.
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May 28 2014 17:27 GMT
#513
wow you all appeared at the same time!
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May 28 2014 17:33 GMT
#516
hmmmm, i keep switching between scummy and towny on batsnacks for the reason that he put C first!

Like as a towny he'll be like: "oh, holyflare is kinda contributing and being useful but shiaopi is doing not much but baseless accusations, I'm town so that makes our cell easy!"

As mafia he'd be like: "oh, i'm mafia and holyflare is talking a lot but shiaopi's accusations are baseless and holyflare doesn't like him so it should be easy to mislynch shiaopi"

Can't decide. I think it's more likely the towny response but it's giving me a lot of hesitation.
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May 28 2014 17:35 GMT
#517
Can you explain your thought process of putting C first over A and B. Afaik there aren't that many people ACTUALLY town reading mz, just ritoky.
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May 28 2014 17:41 GMT
#520
On May 29 2014 02:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
also watch out for putting big name cells first. I read last game and palmar got a free pass day 1 because everyone wanted him to solve the game immediately.


cell mafia 1 was an abomination, nothing in that game was a proper mafia game
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May 28 2014 17:42 GMT
#522
gonna ban you all for racism, the new rules do not approve of racism!
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May 28 2014 17:42 GMT
#523
if sloosh does not post soon after posting in detention then he could actually be mafia btw
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May 28 2014 17:50 GMT
#525
On May 29 2014 02:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 02:41 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 02:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
also watch out for putting big name cells first. I read last game and palmar got a free pass day 1 because everyone wanted him to solve the game immediately.


cell mafia 1 was an abomination, nothing in that game was a proper mafia game


well so are you but everyone seems totally okay with that.


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such mafia finding abilities, many skill!
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May 28 2014 17:53 GMT
#527
On May 29 2014 02:50 slOosh wrote:
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On May 29 2014 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
if sloosh does not post soon after posting in detention then he could actually be mafia btw

And if I post I'm mafia? Quite the loaded statement here.


how does that statement make sense :o? you posted in another game and hadn't posted here yet, people that don't really want to focus on a second game over their first are usually mafia who don't care but you've posted now (albeit nothing noteworthy) so it's all cool
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May 28 2014 18:13 GMT
#529
On May 29 2014 02:58 mderg wrote:
Am I the only one here who wants cell C to go late? Right now I can´t read that at all.
Hf´s mayor campaign seemed townie but at some point I started to find it strange how he didn´t want to take responsibility for the cell order. So my read on him is kinda null.
batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that.
ShiaoPi is like a huge question mark for me right now.

So for me this is the last cell I´d want to go first.


did you read the last page? :p
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May 28 2014 18:21 GMT
#531
On May 29 2014 03:17 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 02:53 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 02:50 slOosh wrote:
On May 29 2014 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
if sloosh does not post soon after posting in detention then he could actually be mafia btw

And if I post I'm mafia? Quite the loaded statement here.


how does that statement make sense :o? you posted in another game and hadn't posted here yet, people that don't really want to focus on a second game over their first are usually mafia who don't care but you've posted now (albeit nothing noteworthy) so it's all cool

The idea is that one could easily follow up with "hey he is mafia and only posting when called out". Which you would think people would realize is a pretty frail reason to lynch someone, but I've been mislynched enough times to overestimate the general townie's perceptive abilities.


well i didn't do that so whatever :D


On May 29 2014 02:58 mderg wrote:
Am I the only one here who wants cell C to go late? Right now I can´t read that at all.
Hf´s mayor campaign seemed townie but at some point I started to find it strange how he didn´t want to take responsibility for the cell order. So my read on him is kinda null.
batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that.
ShiaoPi is like a huge question mark for me right now.

So for me this is the last cell I´d want to go first.



^ On reflection this is really disingenuous. He starts by saying "Am i the only one here who wants cell C late" but not many people said C should go first. In fact, batsnacks is like the only person to say that and that was on the last page. If he DID in fact read the last page then what he said about batsnacks can't possibly be true. He just got specific and gave the order with C in front and explained his reasoning behind it.

I also explained the order i'd like and reads on people and why I picked that order but he left that out. So really, he's made up some strange things here.
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May 28 2014 18:21 GMT
#533
On May 29 2014 03:21 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 03:13 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 02:58 mderg wrote:
Am I the only one here who wants cell C to go late? Right now I can´t read that at all.
Hf´s mayor campaign seemed townie but at some point I started to find it strange how he didn´t want to take responsibility for the cell order. So my read on him is kinda null.
batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that.
ShiaoPi is like a huge question mark for me right now.

So for me this is the last cell I´d want to go first.


did you read the last page? :p

Of course.


well then you're most likely mafia
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May 28 2014 18:28 GMT
#536
On May 29 2014 03:24 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 03:21 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:17 slOosh wrote:
On May 29 2014 02:53 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 02:50 slOosh wrote:
On May 29 2014 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
if sloosh does not post soon after posting in detention then he could actually be mafia btw

And if I post I'm mafia? Quite the loaded statement here.


how does that statement make sense :o? you posted in another game and hadn't posted here yet, people that don't really want to focus on a second game over their first are usually mafia who don't care but you've posted now (albeit nothing noteworthy) so it's all cool

The idea is that one could easily follow up with "hey he is mafia and only posting when called out". Which you would think people would realize is a pretty frail reason to lynch someone, but I've been mislynched enough times to overestimate the general townie's perceptive abilities.


well i didn't do that so whatever :D


On May 29 2014 02:58 mderg wrote:
Am I the only one here who wants cell C to go late? Right now I can´t read that at all.
Hf´s mayor campaign seemed townie but at some point I started to find it strange how he didn´t want to take responsibility for the cell order. So my read on him is kinda null.
batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that.
ShiaoPi is like a huge question mark for me right now.

So for me this is the last cell I´d want to go first.



^ On reflection this is really disingenuous. He starts by saying "Am i the only one here who wants cell C late" but not many people said C should go first. In fact, batsnacks is like the only person to say that and that was on the last page. If he DID in fact read the last page then what he said about batsnacks can't possibly be true. He just got specific and gave the order with C in front and explained his reasoning behind it.

I also explained the order i'd like and reads on people and why I picked that order but he left that out. So really, he's made up some strange things here.

You´re making shit up now. When I say late, I mean late, not in the middle of the game. What I said about batsnacks was specifically about the post with the general guidelines.


I'm not making anything up. You just said you were up to date with the game and read the last page. On the last page batsnacks doesn't follow the metric about lynching the lowest contributing cells at all. He does quite the opposite. I started the day with no plan for cells because half the people in the game hadn't spoken yet. That should be obvious. I have made a post with a cell order that you should actually like but you didn't comment on that, you decided to pick up on the start of the game which shows you aren't evolving your reads as time goes on.

Why, if you are up to date, do your reads not account for anything that happened since the last time you posted?
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May 28 2014 18:45 GMT
#541
On May 29 2014 03:44 slOosh wrote:
batsnacks, why C before B?

On May 29 2014 02:39 batsnacks wrote:
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On May 29 2014 02:35 Holyflare wrote:
Can you explain your thought process of putting C first over A and B. Afaik there aren't that many people ACTUALLY town reading mz, just ritoky.


I didn't put A first because I think the rikoty/MZ team has too much momentum against Odin and I think it would be smart to see where that momentum goes with an extra day. I think if rikoty or MZ are mafia we are making it too easy by letting them go first.

I put C before B because I feel like I personally have a better intuitive grasp on our group than B's group.



nobody reading maaaaan
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May 28 2014 18:57 GMT
#545
On May 29 2014 03:50 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 03:28 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:24 mderg wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:21 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:17 slOosh wrote:
On May 29 2014 02:53 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 02:50 slOosh wrote:
On May 29 2014 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
if sloosh does not post soon after posting in detention then he could actually be mafia btw

And if I post I'm mafia? Quite the loaded statement here.


how does that statement make sense :o? you posted in another game and hadn't posted here yet, people that don't really want to focus on a second game over their first are usually mafia who don't care but you've posted now (albeit nothing noteworthy) so it's all cool

The idea is that one could easily follow up with "hey he is mafia and only posting when called out". Which you would think people would realize is a pretty frail reason to lynch someone, but I've been mislynched enough times to overestimate the general townie's perceptive abilities.


well i didn't do that so whatever :D


On May 29 2014 02:58 mderg wrote:
Am I the only one here who wants cell C to go late? Right now I can´t read that at all.
Hf´s mayor campaign seemed townie but at some point I started to find it strange how he didn´t want to take responsibility for the cell order. So my read on him is kinda null.
batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that.
ShiaoPi is like a huge question mark for me right now.

So for me this is the last cell I´d want to go first.



^ On reflection this is really disingenuous. He starts by saying "Am i the only one here who wants cell C late" but not many people said C should go first. In fact, batsnacks is like the only person to say that and that was on the last page. If he DID in fact read the last page then what he said about batsnacks can't possibly be true. He just got specific and gave the order with C in front and explained his reasoning behind it.

I also explained the order i'd like and reads on people and why I picked that order but he left that out. So really, he's made up some strange things here.

You´re making shit up now. When I say late, I mean late, not in the middle of the game. What I said about batsnacks was specifically about the post with the general guidelines.


I'm not making anything up. You just said you were up to date with the game and read the last page. On the last page batsnacks doesn't follow the metric about lynching the lowest contributing cells at all. He does quite the opposite. I started the day with no plan for cells because half the people in the game hadn't spoken yet. That should be obvious. I have made a post with a cell order that you should actually like but you didn't comment on that, you decided to pick up on the start of the game which shows you aren't evolving your reads as time goes on.

Why, if you are up to date, do your reads not account for anything that happened since the last time you posted?

On the last page batsnacks doesn´t follow the metric about lynching the lowest contributing cells, that´s right. But that doesn´t change the fact that he wanted to do that earlier. And it´s not like it wasn´t mentioned before, so he only got rid of that idea after it got called out. My slight townread on him makes sense considering that he later posted an elaborated lynch order and I didn´t really like his start.

Why are you the one to decide which posts I should like? Your reads on cell A and B are not something I agree with. You basically have thrawn as mafia because he didn´t post at all and got replaced. Also I am not that sure about Palmar being scum. Why would he do the same shit as the game before where he was scum. It just feels strange.
Your actual reasoning for the cell order is based almost only on activity then. Activity itself doesn´t make cells easier to read (for me at least).
Tell me why I should like your post!


I never said you should like or not like things specifically because of what the content was, I'm saying that nothing in your reads accounts for that at all. Your only reasoning on your return is from stuff that had already happened when you appeared the first time and didn't comment on. Stuff happened since then which should or should not have affected the reads you returned with. You can't say

batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that.


but now suddenly say

My slight townread on him makes sense considering that he later posted an elaborated lynch order and I didn´t really like his start.


That doesn't make sense at all. You didn't mention his elaboration. Why would you even say that you didn't like that he didn't elaborate but then town read him for elaborating? Those 2 things do not add up. The whole first quote says nothing whatsoever about his new post making you town read him slightly, it's all attributed to his early game posts.

Activity is the only real metric you should actually be using because more activity is more posting is easier scum reading.
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May 28 2014 18:59 GMT
#548
The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is.


bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor!
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May 28 2014 19:00 GMT
#549
On May 29 2014 03:59 mderg wrote:
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On May 29 2014 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Activity is the only real metric you should actually be using because more activity is more posting is easier scum reading.

I very strongly disagree with this. Just because someone is more active he doesn´t have to be easier to read than someone who is less active.


i'm pretty confident I can read someone with more activity over someone with low activity anyday
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May 28 2014 19:11 GMT
#554
On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is.


bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor!


Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null.

This is really your argument on mayor being useless?


when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too
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May 28 2014 19:12 GMT
#555
ever been changed intentionally* rayn doesn't count because drunk and angry at gumshoe
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May 28 2014 19:16 GMT
#559
On May 29 2014 04:15 mderg wrote:
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On May 29 2014 04:12 Holyflare wrote:
ever been changed intentionally* rayn doesn't count because drunk and angry at gumshoe

I´m not completely sure but wasn´t it koshi who changed things from rayn´s order?


yes because rayn got angry and drunk and fucked off and koshi had already afk'd from the game at that point so didn't know what order to do
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May 28 2014 19:19 GMT
#560
On May 29 2014 04:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is.


bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor!


Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null.

This is really your argument on mayor being useless?


when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too


Ive never played cell mafia on forum besides this game here, and i didnt read the first cell game here. Im only basing mine on video play. The first game i played, i was mayor, and town, and i changed the order slightly from what town wanted, because i thought it was best. And it would have worked if i didnt get mislynched when my turn came for it. Also second game, which you were in, yes, nydus was the mayor, and he changed the order, he was mafia. So town or mafia could do it. I dont think it gives that much info based on order change from a mayor.


nydus was town, regardless, people in video are completely COMPLETELY different because they do not have 24 hours to talk about it and get all their thoughts out in the open, their reads are also not entirely concrete etc, here you are much more accountable for everything that you write and town are very unlikely to change the order at all because there's no new information or anything they can ponder on over the night because they have to make the cell order immediately at the end of the day

if you want to take the video mafia metric into account nydus changed the order around but everyone was town reading him and his play as mafia is super obvious the later the game goes on, he changed himself to third in the order so by logical reasoning he was very very obviously town even though banks (mafia) tried to push that point against him
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May 28 2014 19:22 GMT
#561
On May 29 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:
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On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is.


bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor!


Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null.

This is really your argument on mayor being useless?


when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too


I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta."

I'm not a fan.


It's not just meta, it's logic. If a mafia gets the mayor and he puts himself into the last spot and fucks up the order then what? he's sacrificed his cell and given us 2 confirmed towns people that will stay through the entirety of the game giving their thoughts. You also get a lot of information based on the order that he formulated etc.
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May 28 2014 19:25 GMT
#563
well it's useless in the fact that it literally doesn't matter who it goes to but it's not useless in the fact that it gives us reads
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May 28 2014 19:42 GMT
#568
On May 29 2014 04:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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On May 29 2014 04:28 batsnacks wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is.


bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor!


Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null.

This is really your argument on mayor being useless?


when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too


I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta."

I'm not a fan.


It's not just meta, it's logic. If a mafia gets the mayor and he puts himself into the last spot and fucks up the order then what? he's sacrificed his cell and given us 2 confirmed towns people that will stay through the entirety of the game giving their thoughts. You also get a lot of information based on the order that he formulated etc.


Town has three tools: mayor, lynch, and voice. You're trying to convince me a third of town's tools are useless. Electing a mayor who is town is a huge benefit because it lets town set the pace for the game and mafia have to play by some of our rules. This is not an opportunity that town is going to get twice this game. Running for mayor puts spotlight and pressure on the person running. Most of our analysis this game is based off of the mayor mechanic in the game. You are not going to convince me the mayor role is useless. I hope you aren't able to convince anyone else the mayor role is useless.



Yeah!!! What he said HF!!!

Lmao. Like, mayor isnt useless, and i explained like him why it isn't.

And if mayor is useless, why do you want it so bad?


when have i said i wanted it badly?


On May 28 2014 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
honestly I'll pretty much vote anyone for mayor because if they put me first i'll pretty much be confirmed town because they want me out of the game and if they put me last i'll solve the game so /care

As for mayor, I don't really care if it's me or ritoky as we both have similar ideas for ordering. I would prefer myself obviously because I know i'm town but I understand the people's fears of not trusting me so that's fine.

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May 28 2014 19:43 GMT
#569
only reason i'd want mayor is because i have the best order and nobody even commented on it yet
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May 28 2014 19:53 GMT
#576
lol what's with the 2 scummy ppl returning for batsnacks
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May 28 2014 19:54 GMT
#577
On May 29 2014 04:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 04:42 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:28 batsnacks wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is.


bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor!


Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null.

This is really your argument on mayor being useless?


when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too


I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta."

I'm not a fan.


It's not just meta, it's logic. If a mafia gets the mayor and he puts himself into the last spot and fucks up the order then what? he's sacrificed his cell and given us 2 confirmed towns people that will stay through the entirety of the game giving their thoughts. You also get a lot of information based on the order that he formulated etc.


Town has three tools: mayor, lynch, and voice. You're trying to convince me a third of town's tools are useless. Electing a mayor who is town is a huge benefit because it lets town set the pace for the game and mafia have to play by some of our rules. This is not an opportunity that town is going to get twice this game. Running for mayor puts spotlight and pressure on the person running. Most of our analysis this game is based off of the mayor mechanic in the game. You are not going to convince me the mayor role is useless. I hope you aren't able to convince anyone else the mayor role is useless.



Yeah!!! What he said HF!!!

Lmao. Like, mayor isnt useless, and i explained like him why it isn't.

And if mayor is useless, why do you want it so bad?


when have i said i wanted it badly?


On May 28 2014 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
honestly I'll pretty much vote anyone for mayor because if they put me first i'll pretty much be confirmed town because they want me out of the game and if they put me last i'll solve the game so /care

As for mayor, I don't really care if it's me or ritoky as we both have similar ideas for ordering. I would prefer myself obviously because I know i'm town but I understand the people's fears of not trusting me so that's fine.



Maybe badly was the wrong word to use for it, but you did make that huge post about being mayor, which seems it took awhile to make. It seemed like you wanted it, regardless of your later posts after people voiced opposition to you.


took like 5 minutes to google the words "vote for me" and "buzz words" :D:D:D:D:D:D really wasn't meant to be a serious post ever
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May 28 2014 19:59 GMT
#579
On May 29 2014 04:56 ritoky wrote:
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On May 29 2014 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
only reason i'd want mayor is because i have the best order and nobody even commented on it yet


the number 1 reason i don't like your order right now is because I have arrived at 2 basic certainties at this point in the game:

1) Group A should go first
2) Holy crap do I not want tambo or his group last and to be in LYLO


why would we be in lylo???? my order HAS GROUP A FIRST lool
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May 28 2014 19:59 GMT
#581
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449768-cell-mini-mafia-ii?page=26#512
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#586
On May 29 2014 05:11 batsnacks wrote:
We've got less that 2 hours.

Just consider this: What is the advantage of lynching the mayor's group first?

Lets assume that most people vote for the mayor because they believe he/she is town. If the mayor is in the cell to be lynched on day 1, that means that the first group up for lynch already has one person that the majority read as town. This gives town a starting advantage. If town can get the first victory, that is a lot of pressure on mafia. I would argue town winning day 1 is more important than town winning any other day, except for LYLO. Building momentum is important. Going into day 1 with a town read (the mayor) is an advantage. Consider this.


so why isn't A first in your order?
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#587
On May 29 2014 05:05 ritoky wrote:
Anyone else want to give their definitive Cell orders before the deadline? Other than mine I have:

batsnacks: C, A, B, E, D
bunnies: A, D, E, C, B
Holyflare: A, B, C, E, D

If I missed some in the thread, someone tell me so I can update my list.


can you just add your order for clarifications sake?
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May 28 2014 20:25 GMT
#590
On May 29 2014 05:20 ritoky wrote:
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On May 29 2014 05:17 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 05:05 ritoky wrote:
Anyone else want to give their definitive Cell orders before the deadline? Other than mine I have:

batsnacks: C, A, B, E, D
bunnies: A, D, E, C, B
Holyflare: A, B, C, E, D

If I missed some in the thread, someone tell me so I can update my list.


can you just add your order for clarifications sake?


batsnacks: C, A, B, E, D
bunnies: A, D, E, C, B
Holyflare: A, B, C, E, D
ritoky: A, C, B, D, E


why d before e when d is the most unreadable cell there is?
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May 28 2014 20:32 GMT
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Wow those reads are like......off :/

So sloosh and mderg are mainly the ones that i'm confused about, sloosh really has done nothing other than falsely "read" the last cell game and talk about kind of nothing. He even asked batsnacks a question that batsnacks had been asked a page before. So why the town read on him at all?

Also, mderg, did you not read the interaction between me and him? His thoughts had not progressed whatsoever since he was last in the thread and tried to add reasoning from the page before his return into his current reads like that's what he meant at the time. What i can't get my head around is you not town reading bunnies over mderg at this point it's increasingly odd.
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May 28 2014 20:36 GMT
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in fact your read doesn't even add up to what you said before:

The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk.
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#596
anyone voting ritoky for mayor is making a huuuuuuuuuuugeeee mistake btw
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#598
Right there's been 12 pages since then and now and you've failed to update us on any of it or pressure anyone but give summarised reads, you had a strong town read on bunnies like the quote i just showed you but nothing in the 12 pages that you've seen so far since that read should have swayed you to her being not-town. Therefore cell E should actually be your STRONGEST cell so far and should be far far far ahead of everything else (apart from your own cell) because layabout would be a very easy lynch for you.

Mderg only admitted he was wrong because he was pressured with evidence to the contrary by Odin (+ points odin). Do mafia under pressure admit they were wrong when there is evidence present or stick it out and flat out lie in the face of an obvious mistake?
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#600
On May 29 2014 05:51 mderg wrote:
##vote: ritoky

I don´t really agree with his cell order but I´m more sure about him being town than batsnacks. The vote is most likely going to be between these two. So I´m voting for my stronger townread.


so what order would you like?
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#602
On May 29 2014 05:56 mderg wrote:
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On May 29 2014 05:54 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 05:51 mderg wrote:
##vote: ritoky

I don´t really agree with his cell order but I´m more sure about him being town than batsnacks. The vote is most likely going to be between these two. So I´m voting for my stronger townread.


so what order would you like?

A, D, E, B, C


Can you explain this then? You want to start with group A because I presume you have a read on ritoky and it would be easy to solve so that would be a +point but then you jump into wanting 2 of the lurker groups to go next? How do you have such a strong read on D/E? I realise your argument for your own cell will be "because i'm in it so it's easy" but what about everyone else? You're then putting the 2 groups with the least amount of information at the front of the line when we literally have no idea what is going on in them?
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May 28 2014 21:02 GMT
#603
Also, would someone like to point something suspicious out? Ok, I will!

Why has ritoky kept his poofter town read when he has posted NOTHING for a long time but ritoky has removed bunnies who has posted more often in the past 12 pages? It doesn't add up, his reads are totally suspicious.
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May 28 2014 21:05 GMT
#604
We have 53 minutes left and everyone afk's ~_~
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May 28 2014 21:09 GMT
#607
On May 29 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 05:51 Holyflare wrote:
Right there's been 12 pages since then and now and you've failed to update us on any of it or pressure anyone but give summarised reads, you had a strong town read on bunnies like the quote i just showed you but nothing in the 12 pages that you've seen so far since that read should have swayed you to her being not-town. Therefore cell E should actually be your STRONGEST cell so far and should be far far far ahead of everything else (apart from your own cell) because layabout would be a very easy lynch for you.

Mderg only admitted he was wrong because he was pressured with evidence to the contrary by Odin (+ points odin). Do mafia under pressure admit they were wrong when there is evidence present or stick it out and flat out lie in the face of an obvious mistake?


Well in my mind, there exist two worlds as of now: the world where MZ and poofter are mafia together and they are so deep in my pockets that it is unbelievable, or the world where Odin is mafia. As you can tell from my reads, I am living in world 2. So if Odin is mafia, his strategy to try and break into the group would be to target me or MZ, and he chose me so far. IF mderg is mafia with Odin, he could very easily helped push that agenda or it was a very clever scheme to distance himself from Odin. I just don't really see them being mafia together in my mind, and as of now Odin is 90% mafia in my mind.

Why have I dropped on bunnies? Well I was asleep when she posted the thing I really didn't like, which was he cell order. The thing I least like about it is that she places her cell 3rd. I just don't get the argument behind it. I am on board with batsnacks about the mayor putting his cell 1st. I could also come to understand that if everyone believes the mayor is 100% town and someone else in their cell is 90% town, then you could put that group last and have "confirmed" towns for the duration of the game. That said, it is not what George Washington has decreed. I also don't like he placement of D or B. I think putting D 2nd makes me skeptical as hell and I don't like her justification for it. I think it might be indicative of belief that it is an easy ML group. I also don't like cell B last, because I think it will be a very clear town win.


So odin is mafia and universal town read ritoky and mz are in his group. Who does mafia odin try and target? Universal town read ritoky or could be suspicious mz? Why have you jumped to the totally opposite conclusion of what any mafia trying to push a mislynch would do? Associative cases should also never be used here or in mafia games in general, just because 2 people are doing similar things does not mean they share the same alignment.
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May 28 2014 21:11 GMT
#610
On May 29 2014 06:09 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 06:00 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 05:56 mderg wrote:
On May 29 2014 05:54 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 05:51 mderg wrote:
##vote: ritoky

I don´t really agree with his cell order but I´m more sure about him being town than batsnacks. The vote is most likely going to be between these two. So I´m voting for my stronger townread.


so what order would you like?

A, D, E, B, C


Can you explain this then? You want to start with group A because I presume you have a read on ritoky and it would be easy to solve so that would be a +point but then you jump into wanting 2 of the lurker groups to go next? How do you have such a strong read on D/E? I realise your argument for your own cell will be "because i'm in it so it's easy" but what about everyone else? You're then putting the 2 groups with the least amount of information at the front of the line when we literally have no idea what is going on in them?

A should be pretty clear. D because I´m having a scumread on tamburini. E because I´m pretty sure bunnies is town, I´m also town so it only leaves layabout. B and C are the cells I´m most unsure about.

As a side note: why didn´t you attack bunnies for her suggested cell orders? The first 3 cells would be the same. So why are my first 3 cells pointed out and hers weren´t?


because i town read bunnies for other things and it was a wall of text that i cba to talk through but she posted her thoughts about her own opinion of cell order and then voted ritoky which i think is a townier thing to do
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May 28 2014 21:13 GMT
#612
On May 29 2014 06:12 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 06:09 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote:
On May 29 2014 05:51 Holyflare wrote:
Right there's been 12 pages since then and now and you've failed to update us on any of it or pressure anyone but give summarised reads, you had a strong town read on bunnies like the quote i just showed you but nothing in the 12 pages that you've seen so far since that read should have swayed you to her being not-town. Therefore cell E should actually be your STRONGEST cell so far and should be far far far ahead of everything else (apart from your own cell) because layabout would be a very easy lynch for you.

Mderg only admitted he was wrong because he was pressured with evidence to the contrary by Odin (+ points odin). Do mafia under pressure admit they were wrong when there is evidence present or stick it out and flat out lie in the face of an obvious mistake?


Well in my mind, there exist two worlds as of now: the world where MZ and poofter are mafia together and they are so deep in my pockets that it is unbelievable, or the world where Odin is mafia. As you can tell from my reads, I am living in world 2. So if Odin is mafia, his strategy to try and break into the group would be to target me or MZ, and he chose me so far. IF mderg is mafia with Odin, he could very easily helped push that agenda or it was a very clever scheme to distance himself from Odin. I just don't really see them being mafia together in my mind, and as of now Odin is 90% mafia in my mind.

Why have I dropped on bunnies? Well I was asleep when she posted the thing I really didn't like, which was he cell order. The thing I least like about it is that she places her cell 3rd. I just don't get the argument behind it. I am on board with batsnacks about the mayor putting his cell 1st. I could also come to understand that if everyone believes the mayor is 100% town and someone else in their cell is 90% town, then you could put that group last and have "confirmed" towns for the duration of the game. That said, it is not what George Washington has decreed. I also don't like he placement of D or B. I think putting D 2nd makes me skeptical as hell and I don't like her justification for it. I think it might be indicative of belief that it is an easy ML group. I also don't like cell B last, because I think it will be a very clear town win.


So odin is mafia and universal town read ritoky and mz are in his group. Who does mafia odin try and target? Universal town read ritoky or could be suspicious mz? Why have you jumped to the totally opposite conclusion of what any mafia trying to push a mislynch would do? Associative cases should also never be used here or in mafia games in general, just because 2 people are doing similar things does not mean they share the same alignment.


Sorry, I don't really understand this post. I guess it's cuz I speak amerikan.


Let's say you are mafia and someone in your cell is getting a town read from everyone. You come into the thread and realise this and you're mafia so you need a mislynch. Who do you target to try and push that mislynch and get a point in favour of your side? Do you target universal town read or the person who isn't universal town read?
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May 28 2014 21:14 GMT
#614
On May 29 2014 06:14 ShiaoPi wrote:
HF for all what it is worth it is just WIFOM.


it's really just not wifom
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May 28 2014 21:19 GMT
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On May 29 2014 06:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
it is. you are looking at it from the perspective of how you would play scum. Does not necessarily mean it is optimal or anything or how another player will go at it.


I have played scum enough times to get into the mindset of anyone that plays scum. He's never played mafia afaik (from the database) so this would be his FIRST time playing scum. First time scum are super nervous about doing anything out of the ordinary, they fit into trends, they will follow people, they won't speak their mind and they won't go against the grain of the town to speak up on something that no many people agree with.

His agenda is to win a point, going after someone with pretty much town reads from 100% of people is not what a first time mafia would do.
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#620
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449768-cell-mini-mafia-ii?page=29#564

i like this odin post, i'm town reading him right now for it
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May 28 2014 21:27 GMT
#623
didn't tambo just troll in golden sun as town?
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May 28 2014 21:29 GMT
#625
On May 29 2014 06:27 ritoky wrote:
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On May 29 2014 06:19 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 06:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
it is. you are looking at it from the perspective of how you would play scum. Does not necessarily mean it is optimal or anything or how another player will go at it.


I have played scum enough times to get into the mindset of anyone that plays scum. He's never played mafia afaik (from the database) so this would be his FIRST time playing scum. First time scum are super nervous about doing anything out of the ordinary, they fit into trends, they will follow people, they won't speak their mind and they won't go against the grain of the town to speak up on something that no many people agree with.

His agenda is to win a point, going after someone with pretty much town reads from 100% of people is not what a first time mafia would do.


So let's just play your scenario. You think that if I was mafia I would be "super nervous about doing anything our of the ordinary", "try to fit into trends", and "follow people"; on the grounds that it is my first time as scum in TL mafia.

So how does pushing for mayor the hardest out of anyone, being the first to post the logic behind my cell order, and making big flashy posts that have caused a lot of people to sheep me; line up with those characteristics?



originally i thought you'd be mafia because your reads don't add up at all but you actually explained your stuff and it made sense in your way, even if it's really wrong and yes your mayor post was an exact copy of mine so you were technically following a trend -.-

either way, i think mz is the scum in your group
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May 28 2014 21:35 GMT
#630
On May 29 2014 06:33 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 06:19 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 06:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
it is. you are looking at it from the perspective of how you would play scum. Does not necessarily mean it is optimal or anything or how another player will go at it.


I have played scum enough times to get into the mindset of anyone that plays scum. He's never played mafia afaik (from the database) so this would be his FIRST time playing scum. First time scum are super nervous about doing anything out of the ordinary, they fit into trends, they will follow people, they won't speak their mind and they won't go against the grain of the town to speak up on something that no many people agree with.

His agenda is to win a point, going after someone with pretty much town reads from 100% of people is not what a first time mafia would do.

my first scum game was one of my most active and confident games i have played, you are tlaking out of your arse

why would a townie want their cell to go first? Mafia wanting to go first i get but town....


yes, that's another way to play when it screams out that you have too much information -.- does odin look like either of those?

i have no idea what you're talking about for the last sentence
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May 28 2014 21:40 GMT
#632
On May 29 2014 06:39 ritoky wrote:
@HF could you explain your Meapak read?


other than he's done nothing and I like odin's inquisitive posting? no
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May 28 2014 21:41 GMT
#633
you see, odin is trying to figure out other people! he's playing the rest of the game! Half of you are just sitting back and debating cell orders and not trying to figure out what anyone is saying at any point at all
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May 28 2014 21:44 GMT
#636
putting cell c second will be a mistake
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#639
On May 29 2014 06:45 ShiaoPi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2014 06:44 Holyflare wrote:
putting cell c second will be a mistake

just put it first


if you are only going to repeatedly say that I am scum in our cell but never bother to contribute to anything else in the entire game I think our cell will be very self evident after all
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May 28 2014 21:54 GMT
#642
everyone should be shenan voting me right now for the lulz
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May 28 2014 21:58 GMT
#643
ABCED or lose
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#645
On May 29 2014 06:54 marvellosity wrote:
Deadline coming up, when it is reached please stop posting, except the mayor who should post the Cell Order once the mayor post has gone up, then I'll post again

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#649
On May 29 2014 07:04 marvellosity wrote:
Please hold

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#651
you dropped the ball bro
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#653
how the hell can you put a group with 2/3 of the people you think are town last, i really can't comprehend how you didn't change that cell around
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May 28 2014 22:14 GMT
#655
On May 29 2014 07:13 layabout wrote:
this is bs i wanted to go fourth

if you care about the game why would you put yourself 1st????


because in his eyes that's the group with the easiest + point for town?
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May 28 2014 22:28 GMT
#659
On May 29 2014 07:26 layabout wrote:
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On May 29 2014 07:14 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 07:13 layabout wrote:
this is bs i wanted to go fourth

if you care about the game why would you put yourself 1st????


because in his eyes that's the group with the easiest + point for town?

don't buy that. that is stupid.


so why didn't you bring this up multiple times and push it for reasoning before the mayor vote?
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May 28 2014 22:59 GMT
#664
On May 29 2014 07:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
MZ you'd better get back here and make me feel better about leaving those shitter groups till the end.
You too poofter. We have 3 days to solve this game bro. You and me.


you better start talking more bro!
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May 29 2014 01:33 GMT
#675
Ritoky has nooby reasons for his reads but i don't think that they have the scummy intent behind them as he was able to explain them pretty well when questioned. I haven't questioned mderg or mz yet cz they pretty afkish which is unfortunate but to me odin looked more towny and actually had reasons for suspicion which I'm sure nobody read because they are hidden in red text in a spoiler
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May 29 2014 01:34 GMT
#677
His placing of bunnies can cell is fucking weird though even after i explained why it was bad and odd he just did the same order
Holyflare
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May 29 2014 01:36 GMT
#679
It's still not much better
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May 29 2014 01:39 GMT
#683
On May 29 2014 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 29 2014 10:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
lol my cell sucks.

sloosh is probably the scum in it though. his filter is basically nothing but setup speculation and useless garbage, basically someone posting enough to seem town without actually doing anything. its a bunch of useless, generic advice made to look like he was doing things, when in reality he was just actively lurking. its pretty clear that he opted out of the discourse without looking like he was doing so.

burini's filter really isnt good either. i dont really care about him right now though. burini, post more.

my filter isnt much better except it will be at the time of posting this. lol.

Makes sense.

K actually though Group A is bugging the shit out of me I want that solved.
What are the chances ritoky has the massive cohones to run for mayor simply to exit the game and win his group?
MZ I am having way more trouble with now since his lack of posting even though I had mind-meld on him, and Odin doesn't look particularly bad.

Actually this very post makes me think HF is scum again lol


Because i "ran" for mayor lol?

Have you even read the people in my group? :pppp
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May 29 2014 01:42 GMT
#686
On May 29 2014 10:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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On May 29 2014 10:36 Holyflare wrote:
i am scum and im gonna take potshots at you 'cause you found me so fast.

i am also a terrorist.


geez calm down already


Well you're not much better. The only contribution after saying you're going to look much more towny is pointing out things that have already been said about your group which contains 2 lurkers. Nothing about the 3 lynches ahead of it and especially nothing about the lynch that is going on today.

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May 29 2014 01:44 GMT
#687
On May 29 2014 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 29 2014 10:39 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
lol my cell sucks.

sloosh is probably the scum in it though. his filter is basically nothing but setup speculation and useless garbage, basically someone posting enough to seem town without actually doing anything. its a bunch of useless, generic advice made to look like he was doing things, when in reality he was just actively lurking. its pretty clear that he opted out of the discourse without looking like he was doing so.

burini's filter really isnt good either. i dont really care about him right now though. burini, post more.

my filter isnt much better except it will be at the time of posting this. lol.

Makes sense.

K actually though Group A is bugging the shit out of me I want that solved.
What are the chances ritoky has the massive cohones to run for mayor simply to exit the game and win his group?
MZ I am having way more trouble with now since his lack of posting even though I had mind-meld on him, and Odin doesn't look particularly bad.

Actually this very post makes me think HF is scum again lol


Because i "ran" for mayor lol?

Have you even read the people in my group? :pppp

Don't like this post HF, try again.


If you're going to call me out as scum at least reason why I'm scum over the other 2. Shiaopi has especially not even done anything at all.
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May 29 2014 01:45 GMT
#689
Hahahahaha ok you do that.
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May 29 2014 01:47 GMT
#691
No idea how wave could not point out any of your post as sliding by and just agreed with it blindly.
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May 29 2014 01:49 GMT
#693
On May 29 2014 10:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 29 2014 10:44 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:39 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
lol my cell sucks.

sloosh is probably the scum in it though. his filter is basically nothing but setup speculation and useless garbage, basically someone posting enough to seem town without actually doing anything. its a bunch of useless, generic advice made to look like he was doing things, when in reality he was just actively lurking. its pretty clear that he opted out of the discourse without looking like he was doing so.

burini's filter really isnt good either. i dont really care about him right now though. burini, post more.

my filter isnt much better except it will be at the time of posting this. lol.

Makes sense.

K actually though Group A is bugging the shit out of me I want that solved.
What are the chances ritoky has the massive cohones to run for mayor simply to exit the game and win his group?
MZ I am having way more trouble with now since his lack of posting even though I had mind-meld on him, and Odin doesn't look particularly bad.

Actually this very post makes me think HF is scum again lol


Because i "ran" for mayor lol?

Have you even read the people in my group? :pppp

Don't like this post HF, try again.


If you're going to call me out as scum at least reason why I'm scum over the other 2. Shiaopi has especially not even done anything at all.

This is deflection and doesn't mean that he's scum.

I don't have to do shit. Right now my feels point at you. They'll probably change again but you said some stuff I didn't like and it reminds me of scumHF.


Try again. What's the towny mentality behind it?

"Holyflare thinks batsnacks has been contributing and holyflare is town, why hasn't wave mentioned shiaopi who has done nothing but idly call people scum and afk again"

You've dropped the ball wave.
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May 29 2014 01:50 GMT
#696
Just fyi mz is my lynch until something else happens.
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May 29 2014 01:56 GMT
#701
On May 29 2014 10:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 29 2014 10:49 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:44 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:39 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
lol my cell sucks.

sloosh is probably the scum in it though. his filter is basically nothing but setup speculation and useless garbage, basically someone posting enough to seem town without actually doing anything. its a bunch of useless, generic advice made to look like he was doing things, when in reality he was just actively lurking. its pretty clear that he opted out of the discourse without looking like he was doing so.

burini's filter really isnt good either. i dont really care about him right now though. burini, post more.

my filter isnt much better except it will be at the time of posting this. lol.

Makes sense.

K actually though Group A is bugging the shit out of me I want that solved.
What are the chances ritoky has the massive cohones to run for mayor simply to exit the game and win his group?
MZ I am having way more trouble with now since his lack of posting even though I had mind-meld on him, and Odin doesn't look particularly bad.

Actually this very post makes me think HF is scum again lol


Because i "ran" for mayor lol?

Have you even read the people in my group? :pppp

Don't like this post HF, try again.


If you're going to call me out as scum at least reason why I'm scum over the other 2. Shiaopi has especially not even done anything at all.

This is deflection and doesn't mean that he's scum.

I don't have to do shit. Right now my feels point at you. They'll probably change again but you said some stuff I didn't like and it reminds me of scumHF.


Try again. What's the towny mentality behind it?

"Holyflare thinks batsnacks has been contributing and holyflare is town, why hasn't wave mentioned shiaopi who has done nothing but idly call people scum and afk again"

You've dropped the ball wave.

lolwut
I'm actually pretty sure I've called every member of your cell scum at one point or another at this point. Never really had a ball to drop, boyo.


At one point isn't now though is it get rid of any scum Holyflare mentality you have because it's just not relevant in this game and you'll be wasting your time racking your brains thinking about it, it's either batsnacks who has been posting things in an attempt to find an order of cells and givong reads, albeit not really interacting so much or shiaopi who has got like no reads and just returns to dispute minor things and then afk again
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May 29 2014 02:02 GMT
#704
On May 29 2014 11:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 29 2014 10:56 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:49 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:44 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:39 Holyflare wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 29 2014 10:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
[quote]
Makes sense.

K actually though Group A is bugging the shit out of me I want that solved.
What are the chances ritoky has the massive cohones to run for mayor simply to exit the game and win his group?
MZ I am having way more trouble with now since his lack of posting even though I had mind-meld on him, and Odin doesn't look particularly bad.

Actually this very post makes me think HF is scum again lol


Because i "ran" for mayor lol?

Have you even read the people in my group? :pppp

Don't like this post HF, try again.


If you're going to call me out as scum at least reason why I'm scum over the other 2. Shiaopi has especially not even done anything at all.

This is deflection and doesn't mean that he's scum.

I don't have to do shit. Right now my feels point at you. They'll probably change again but you said some stuff I didn't like and it reminds me of scumHF.


Try again. What's the towny mentality behind it?

"Holyflare thinks batsnacks has been contributing and holyflare is town, why hasn't wave mentioned shiaopi who has done nothing but idly call people scum and afk again"

You've dropped the ball wave.

lolwut
I'm actually pretty sure I've called every member of your cell scum at one point or another at this point. Never really had a ball to drop, boyo.


At one point isn't now though is it get rid of any scum Holyflare mentality you have because it's just not relevant in this game and you'll be wasting your time racking your brains thinking about it, it's either batsnacks who has been posting things in an attempt to find an order of cells and givong reads, albeit not really interacting so much or shiaopi who has got like no reads and just returns to dispute minor things and then afk again

More like it's not relevant currently. Still should be focusing on A.

##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
u no ilu bro, but this is bad.


No not currently. I have no interest discussing cell a anymore until mz odin or ritoky is around to discuss so it's absolutely the right time to discuss about the next cell
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May 29 2014 02:04 GMT
#705
I only have 2 game days to solve the game for you!
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May 29 2014 02:05 GMT
#708
On May 29 2014 11:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah poof still probs not scum. Think I'm still ok.

HF did you notice how bat-thing ignored my post about him?


Which one?
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May 29 2014 02:08 GMT
#710
Link me it I'm busy studying :p
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May 29 2014 02:11 GMT
#713
On May 29 2014 11:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 29 2014 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
For thr record I have a monster town read on MZ and I don't trust ritoky as much as everyone else seems to, which I already said.

HF its cute how you're scurred of me as scum. I wish I had the numbers and the percentage to back it up like you instead of just the percentage.

Also I think batsnacks might be scum...interesting chainsaw he has going on in his analysis of my cell. Its preflip association I know, but still. Doesn't it give you the jeebs?



Oh, what does chainsaw even mean btw :p? What he said kinda aligned with what i already said/thought.
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May 29 2014 02:18 GMT
#718
I'll read it again in a bit but before going out of your way on a pre flip hunch just look at shiaos filter :p
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May 29 2014 02:19 GMT
#719
Also criminal litigation is fucking boring don't ever do it
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May 29 2014 02:50 GMT
#725
Hah wtf im more than 1/4 of this threads posts that's actually fucking disgusting play by the majority of everyone else. Step it up lurkers! Activity is an excellent metric to go by in this game, dunno why mderg hated when I said that earlier either.
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May 29 2014 03:00 GMT
#727
Yehhh bumsnacks let's lynch shiaopi!
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May 29 2014 03:14 GMT
#730
On May 29 2014 12:04 ritoky wrote:
To all those who questioned my order here is my response:

[image loading]

The land that invented electricity, science, the internet, global warming, the doughnut, and porn; filled me with the power of freedom, and I simply did her great will, and the will of the founding fathers.

On another note, I will actually read what has happened since then, and if anyone has any questions I will gladly respond.



I think you'll find that only the internet was created in america.
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May 29 2014 03:17 GMT
#732
On May 29 2014 12:09 batsnacks wrote:
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On May 29 2014 12:00 Holyflare wrote:
Yehhh bumsnacks let's lynch shiaopi!


I've got a better idea lets cross that bridge when we come to it, which won't even be very long now.

How about this if the deadline was now who would you vote in group A? This is an open question anyone can answer it.

I'd vote MZ because he buddied with ritoky too fast, because I want to believe a mafia member wasn't elected as mayor over me, and because I liked Odin's first post more than any of MZ's that I can remember. That's what I've got and I think it is something.

Already said I'd vote mz. Nobody has noticed odins post criticising ritoky yet because it's hidden in a spiiler and i thought it was pretty good:
On May 29 2014 04:28 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Ok so I'm just going to give you my analysis on that post.
I'll post my thoughts in red..

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On May 29 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:
On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order

You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural.

I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before.



What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind?
Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends.
His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes.



i basically didn´t attribute this post to his play. In this everything is based on reasoning and is elaborated. Elaborating on the cell order and giving proper reasons is exactly what I expect from the mayor. So I changed my mind from definitely not voting him to thinking about voting him.

On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote:
On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads?


In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already.

The town doesn't have a "wealth" of information. In fact, the only information that the town will have, if this goes through, is the scum in Cell A will be off in the obs qt laughing when I flip green. Like Rit's whole push for this seems odd. His insta town read on MZ for playing along with Freedom is a convenient way to make sure this goes along nicely.

The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews).

Why put C before B? In the previous sentence you admit to not being sure about someone? Like you do realize Cell C is probably the hardest group to make a read on? Cell B makes wayyyy more sense. I'm not entirely sure on the timeline for this post but Palmar has been playing anti-town since the beginning of the game. So this is a obvious choice anyway. So why put Cell C, with it's harder to read players, super early? To snag ez mislynches. People in this group won't have be being strongly read one way or the other more than likely. You're chances are better at landing a mislynch into this pool if you do it early.

Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B.

It's not that Poofter has pitted himself anywhere. Palmar literally claimed to be anti-town. More 'Murica buddying, like good for you right? If you're lucky you'll befriend enough of the town that you'll even get a town read after you get a mislynch day1. He even admits he's got a stronger read Cell B than C. Yet in his previous paragraph he wants to put C first, why?

The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk.

The last groups are simply at the back of the line becuase he "doesn't have info". Like why the hell is Cell A at the very front of his list then? Thrawn hadn't posted yet. How much less info could you have? Oh right, cuz MZ his Freedom loving cuddlebuddy.




So ye, in conclusion.. What exactly was suppose to make me feel better in that post?
It's fishy, and there is an obvious agenda in it.




Click the spoiler for his red text!
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May 29 2014 03:27 GMT
#736
No :p
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May 29 2014 04:13 GMT
#738
On May 29 2014 12:47 mtamburini wrote:
IM SORRY was stuck doing training for my job and got home past the deadline!


Get your thoughts in asap
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May 29 2014 07:13 GMT
#746
Yay sloosh stepped up! Now we can actually kill smurf or tambo (smurf smurf smurf, probs tambo)
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May 29 2014 08:10 GMT
#751
I still like the red bits even though you don't. He points out the inconsistencies in ritokys posts. Ritoky thinks palmar is scum but doesn't know between me and shiao and still contemplates mostly putting c in front of b, regardless of if he says he could be swayed the other direction. I even tried to sway him and made logical arguments why he should change it which went mostly over his head but odin was the first one to point these things out. Nothing is set in stone though and he sure isn't just getting a free pass because of that but at that point his contribution was better than yours.

I also liked what he was calling out mderg for.
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May 29 2014 08:11 GMT
#752
Ritoky even explained his logic and it was so bad that it was right to be questioned.
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May 29 2014 08:19 GMT
#753
But whatevs I'll look over it again when i wake up
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May 29 2014 08:21 GMT
#755
A little bit of both, it's 9am
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#757
On May 29 2014 17:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On May 29 2014 17:11 Holyflare wrote:
Ritoky even explained his logic and it was so bad that it was right to be questioned.

However bad logic =/= scum agenda.

I'm gonna go to bed as well, everyone who's been sheeping off of HF and batsnacks needs to actually read this current page and Odin's filter.

I'll leave you all with this:
[image loading]


Now i know you haven't read the thread properly if you just said that -.-

I said his logic was so bad but elaborated upon that it was probably from town which is obvious from my long interactions with him in the thread which you should know. It only came to light the bad reasoning because me and odin brought it up. That's why i liked odin.

Why you so hyper man?
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May 29 2014 16:38 GMT
#797
hahaha odin is so cute <3
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May 29 2014 16:48 GMT
#806
On May 30 2014 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 30 2014 00:02 OdinOfPergo wrote:
honestly this is freaking stupid

You peple want to lynch me on afk,. but in my eyes all of you are lurkers.
I'm here. seversl hours a day, I sacrifice 3-4 hr/day after a 16 hr day t talk to you.
Qnd you're goner, but fuck. I;m ;lynch foir today?
Fucking lynch me. I;m done with this crap. Maintain higher post limites or laY THE FUCK OFF ME FOR HAVIGN TO PULL 18 HR DAYS.

Odin. Stop it. We've been through this before. This is not how you play a game.


have you changed your mind yet?
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May 29 2014 16:54 GMT
#810
On May 29 2014 23:30 layabout wrote:
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On May 28 2014 07:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Holy mother of god I know who I'm voting for mayor
I also know who the scum is in my cell.

mz makes his mind up wayy to early. From this point on he pushes the odin is scum ritoky is town agenda. It really doesn't look like he thought about it like a townie should before he started to push that. Plus his focus is on survival not the game as a whole
+ Show Spoiler +

phone posting and drinking the next two days


The post before this you were saying that ritoky is mafia but in this post you are calling mz mafia, not much has changed at all as mz is still pushing the same target since the start of the game. So what changed for you?
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May 29 2014 16:54 GMT
#811
On May 30 2014 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 30 2014 01:48 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 00:02 OdinOfPergo wrote:
honestly this is freaking stupid

You peple want to lynch me on afk,. but in my eyes all of you are lurkers.
I'm here. seversl hours a day, I sacrifice 3-4 hr/day after a 16 hr day t talk to you.
Qnd you're goner, but fuck. I;m ;lynch foir today?
Fucking lynch me. I;m done with this crap. Maintain higher post limites or laY THE FUCK OFF ME FOR HAVIGN TO PULL 18 HR DAYS.

Odin. Stop it. We've been through this before. This is not how you play a game.


have you changed your mind yet?

In regards to what?


I mean have you made up your mind yet* about who is scum in the cell.
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May 29 2014 16:57 GMT
#815
On May 30 2014 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 01:48 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 00:02 OdinOfPergo wrote:
honestly this is freaking stupid

You peple want to lynch me on afk,. but in my eyes all of you are lurkers.
I'm here. seversl hours a day, I sacrifice 3-4 hr/day after a 16 hr day t talk to you.
Qnd you're goner, but fuck. I;m ;lynch foir today?
Fucking lynch me. I;m done with this crap. Maintain higher post limites or laY THE FUCK OFF ME FOR HAVIGN TO PULL 18 HR DAYS.

Odin. Stop it. We've been through this before. This is not how you play a game.


have you changed your mind yet?

In regards to what?


I mean have you made up your mind yet* about who is scum in the cell.

Have you?
I have a vote down.


probably still mz but i wanna look at his posts a bit more, interested how odin can go from spaz drunk typing to not drunk typing so fast
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May 29 2014 17:19 GMT
#820
martyrs are overwhelmingly town
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#823
On May 30 2014 02:19 OdinOfPergo wrote:
On the risk of getting banned, practicing alcoholic and auto correct.
That's all I'm going to say vs that..

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On May 30 2014 01:57 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 01:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 01:54 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 01:48 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 00:02 OdinOfPergo wrote:
honestly this is freaking stupid

You peple want to lynch me on afk,. but in my eyes all of you are lurkers.
I'm here. seversl hours a day, I sacrifice 3-4 hr/day after a 16 hr day t talk to you.
Qnd you're goner, but fuck. I;m ;lynch foir today?
Fucking lynch me. I;m done with this crap. Maintain higher post limites or laY THE FUCK OFF ME FOR HAVIGN TO PULL 18 HR DAYS.

Odin. Stop it. We've been through this before. This is not how you play a game.


have you changed your mind yet?

In regards to what?


I mean have you made up your mind yet* about who is scum in the cell.

Have you?
I have a vote down.


probably still mz but i wanna look at his posts a bit more, interested how odin can go from spaz drunk typing to not drunk typing so fast



are you town odin? I don't think you are
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May 29 2014 17:21 GMT
#824
On May 30 2014 02:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On May 30 2014 02:19 Holyflare wrote:
martyrs are overwhelmingly town

I completely 100% disagree. The only times I can remember martyring are as scum and most scum I've seen up for lynch do it at some point.


he's not up for lynch and in a lot of the games i've seen they've been town
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May 29 2014 17:45 GMT
#830
we've still got 24 hours?
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May 29 2014 17:48 GMT
#832
and yeh sloosh the crux of your case is that he's buddying ritoky when he shouldn't have any information about alignments and all ritoky was doing was talking about freedom and that he did nothing

so yeh, it's hard not to agree, but does that make him scum or just a towny trolling? what did you make of odin's slew of posts just now?
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May 29 2014 18:20 GMT
#837
On May 30 2014 03:19 layabout wrote:
HF what do you mean "towny trolling?" If someone is trolling us we should burn the shit out of them unless they give us reason to think they, are town


going along with someone who is talking about freedom nonsense is either mafia playing badly because they have no other strategy or towny trolling and buddying, since that he's provided some analysis of odin's thing which i don't entirely agree with but it shows that at least he's starting to contribute a bit so i'll give it a bit more time
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May 29 2014 18:30 GMT
#840
mz we've got your reads on your cell, explain the rest of the game to us, who else is scum?
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May 29 2014 18:43 GMT
#842
tbh even if we lynch you mz and we're wrong i'm pretty confident we get +2 points in shiaopi and palmar
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May 29 2014 19:12 GMT
#845
On May 30 2014 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On May 30 2014 03:43 Holyflare wrote:
tbh even if we lynch you mz and we're wrong i'm pretty confident we get +2 points in shiaopi and palmar

Or we could lynch Odin and then win the game by lynching the other two...


maybe
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May 29 2014 20:20 GMT
#851
On May 30 2014 05:11 Palmar wrote:
Whose filter do I need to read and how much time do I have?


you're dying soon
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May 29 2014 21:54 GMT
#859
On May 30 2014 06:41 IAmRobik wrote:
Put me in coach!

I wasn't gonna sub in cause I was scared of rolling maf, but I heard I would be in a group with holyflare and I snap-accepted. Then Artanis told me I'm town and the fact that there's a 50% chance of HF being mafia and a chance for me to shit all over him if he is makes me super duper happy.


there is no way on this planet that you are town
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May 29 2014 21:55 GMT
#861
and I know for a fact that mderg is now mafia after that post he just made because of reasons that i will not disclose
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May 29 2014 22:05 GMT
#867
But sloosh was unconvincing, his case on MZ seemed kinda lazy and it seemed like he was actively lurking.

What I liked however was his point about MZ townreading people simply of going into the spotlight with their mayor campaigns. I also thought that MZ was sheeping ritoky for an easy misslynch at that point.


These two things cannot possibly go together at all. The first quote states that sloosh's case on mz is lazy and he's a lurker but his case was on mz sheeping ritoky and getting an early mislynch because he wouldn't care and it was quite reflective of what was happening. So we establish that mderg does not like sloosh because of this case. Mderg also states that he LIKES odin for the exact same thing that he hates sloosh for. These reads do not go together one bit.


His Palmar scumread makes sense but I have a feeling that Palmar is actually town.


This quote has no substance on a read of palmar at all. If a scum read makes sense then that person is scummy. Palmar has posted literally nothing but for some reason mderg gets the suspicion that palmar is town, based on nothing. Mderg has refrained from really commenting on cell B ever apart from this palmar point which he has defended about 3 times in his short filter. No read on WoS, no read on poofter other than saying that poofters point on palmar wasn't really that scum indicative.

The time that someone points out his scum reads (ritoky) in the form of colouring in cells mderg only comments on the read on bunnies rather than the red bolded palmar who he doesn't think is scum at all.

Mderg is the scum in his cell.
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May 29 2014 22:09 GMT
#870
On May 30 2014 07:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Just got off of work and had to take my little sister togymnastics practice, so I'll be updating from my phone.

I see Rob subbed in from someone, who?!

And anything else interesting happen that ya'll need me to look closely at?


shiaopi, palmars return
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May 29 2014 22:19 GMT
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On May 30 2014 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
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But sloosh was unconvincing, his case on MZ seemed kinda lazy and it seemed like he was actively lurking.

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What I liked however was his point about MZ townreading people simply of going into the spotlight with their mayor campaigns. I also thought that MZ was sheeping ritoky for an easy misslynch at that point.


These two things cannot possibly go together at all. The first quote states that sloosh's case on mz is lazy and he's a lurker but his case was on mz sheeping ritoky and getting an early mislynch because he wouldn't care and it was quite reflective of what was happening. So we establish that mderg does not like sloosh because of this case. Mderg also states that he LIKES odin for the exact same thing that he hates sloosh for. These reads do not go together one bit.


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His Palmar scumread makes sense but I have a feeling that Palmar is actually town.


This quote has no substance on a read of palmar at all. If a scum read makes sense then that person is scummy. Palmar has posted literally nothing but for some reason mderg gets the suspicion that palmar is town, based on nothing. Mderg has refrained from really commenting on cell B ever apart from this palmar point which he has defended about 3 times in his short filter. No read on WoS, no read on poofter other than saying that poofters point on palmar wasn't really that scum indicative.

The time that someone points out his scum reads (ritoky) in the form of colouring in cells mderg only comments on the read on bunnies rather than the red bolded palmar who he doesn't think is scum at all.

Mderg is the scum in his cell.


Just to add to this, Palmar is in mdergs other game (detention mafia) and palmar is actually posting in that game whereas he is not in this game yet mderg sees no relevance in mentioning that, no bother to attribute this lack of posting to an alignment, just small defences and free town reads for nothing.
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May 29 2014 22:23 GMT
#876
There can't be 2 scum in 1 cell
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#892
On May 30 2014 08:21 IAmRobik wrote:
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On May 30 2014 08:17 mtamburini wrote:
Just hoped back online gonna read th whole thread over, noticed robik is in as a replacement. How do you think the person before you was playing, more towny or scummy and anything you wouldve said differently?

Also what do you think about the people in your cell?

I haven't read his posts, nor have I read anything that happened before like page 44 besides skimming WoS's filter. I really don't care what my predecessor said, but I can assure you that it came from a towny mindset.

As for my cell -- I'm cool with lynching HF right meow, but I'll probably read the thread and make a real opinion on who is scummier of the two at some point


i lol'd
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#897
On May 30 2014 07:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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On May 30 2014 06:05 layabout wrote:
Jesus Christ would it kill you to post?


Not that i'm against palmer posting, but can you stop being a hypocrite? Would it kill you to post?!

I read through your filter and all I saw was... Ima give read... This person is scummy, but i have no basis for it... Someone should post something.

So unless you do something too, hush. Thanks.

On May 30 2014 08:09 layabout wrote:
Oh fuck off ninja that is such shit


So what is such shit about it? She's right, you haven't really given proper reasons for your read and you sure haven't got the basis for town reading odin that you'd have to choose between ritoky and mz.
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May 30 2014 00:55 GMT
#901
On May 30 2014 09:45 layabout wrote:
But what is scummy about Odin?

rito and mz both ake sense as mafia but Odin i do not see


That's not what we were saying :p i agree he looks like town and most of us have reasoned out why but you didn't say anything about it or even analyse him and went straight for ritoky (who you've talked about not liking all game) and now mz. So it looked odd if anything that you didn't even bother questioning it.

I do like the succinctness of that read though
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May 30 2014 01:13 GMT
#903
Mderg is mafia for other reasons but let's try and win before it gets to that cell.
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May 30 2014 01:30 GMT
#905
Which one?
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#906
Mz only buddied ritoky from the very start and then when the time came and people started town reading odin mz's only contributions to help the game move forward were to point by point discredit everything odin was saying. Literally everything. I asked mz to give reads on everyone else and he did but they weren't anything more than the obvious. I kind of want to talk to odin about his reads though to see if he's kind of similar.

I have a bad feeling about ritoky because his reasons for his reads are poopy and even though his strategy is to get the most points early he placed the cell where he pretty much town read 2 people last in the order and didn't listen to anyones advice about changing it.

In all honesty this game is annoying the shit out of me because people joined under the required pretense in the op to actually be active and a lot of people aren't.
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#908
On May 30 2014 04:14 batsnacks wrote:
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On May 30 2014 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 30 2014 03:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 30 2014 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
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mz we've got your reads on your cell, explain the rest of the game to us, who else is scum?

Ok gimme a sec to get everything together. I'll tell you right now I think it's Palmar from B because Palmar who doesn't give a shit is scumpalmar

Cell C:
HF, you’ve been active all game and I generally agree with your reads and your “townpile.” I have you as town right now.
Batsnacks wanted group C to go first because he felt he “had a grasp on it” but hasn’t actually provided any insight into the group aside from his one big post where he “didn’t like” and was “not a fan” of lots of people but did not provide any solid reads. At the moment, only real scumread is me for “buddying ritoky.” His to big posts were a summary and setup speculation. Overall not really impressed with what I’ve seen.
ShaioPi is sadly less impressive than batsnacks. He calls HF, Tamburini, and ritoky scum and then never really revisits it. He doesn’t like group A and he wanted batsnacks to be mayor. Overall incredibly lurky and low content. I had called him scum for saying he didn’t like freedom but at the moment he’s the scummiest from group C imo.

Cell D
Tamburini rng’d a list of scum and then afk’d, null.
ObiWan is lurky as well. Has thrice promised a case and then reneged. The only real read he provides is sloosh as scum. There’s a casual open manner to his posts though imo so I’ll give him a pass until I see more substantive posts. I guess I’m cautiously optimistic about obiwan.
Sloosh is active lurking and he chainsaw’s Odin by going after me. I personally think his case is hilariously bad and because I think Odin is scum, I’m gonna throw down the omgus and say that sloosh is the scum from Cell D. His active lurking and lack of reads is bad enough, the chainsaw is icing on the cake.

Cell E
Layabout has been spectacularly useless, but he might be the scum from this group because he goes after ritoky, but then changes his tune after the lynch on me starts to pick up speed. This is just another chainsaw defense of odin. Layabout goes from saying ritoky’s plan makes perfect sense from a mafia perspective to saying I’m scum for buddying him. The only thing that makes sense here from a mafia perspective is layabout’s play because he realizes I’m an easier lynch than ritoky.
27NB has been active and her reads have been decent. Townread from me.
Mderg hasn’t really been pushing any reads, but what he has said has been well thought out and logical so I feel pretty good about him as well.

So my scum team looks like this:
Odin, Palmar, ShaioPi, Sloosh, Layabout. Most confident on the first two, least confident on ShaioPi .


It's not correct to say I "didn't like" or "was not a fan of" lots of people. It would be correct to say that I "didn't like" or "was not a fan of" specific things lots of people did. There were very few people I actually didn't like.



This was a super odd return to the thread and back to afk btw. Anyway, focusing on mz's reads here he has bumsnacks as scummyish because all his reads are don't like this etc etc which is entirely what mz's reads are.
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May 30 2014 01:57 GMT
#912
Robik hasn't done shit yet, he started throwing out reads and then said hasn't read before page 44 and briefly your filter. Why did he start with your filter when his whole reason for snap accepting was to lynch me?
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May 30 2014 02:11 GMT
#916
On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 30 2014 10:57 Holyflare wrote:
Robik hasn't done shit yet, he started throwing out reads and then said hasn't read before page 44 and briefly your filter. Why did he start with your filter when his whole reason for snap accepting was to lynch me?

Is that scummy?

I'm curious because I think Palmar essentially does the same thing.


I would think town robik would jump at the chance to read my filter and find scummy things. I think mafia robik would look elsewhere.
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May 30 2014 02:12 GMT
#918
Cell d is literally the shittest group ever in the history of shit cell groups and i said it would be that way and ritoky still ignored it to put an easy free point group at the end.
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May 30 2014 02:15 GMT
#920
Just wanted to get your input on things because i had scummy wave feels and more input is always good. You also change your mind a lot
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May 30 2014 02:18 GMT
#923
On May 30 2014 11:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 30 2014 11:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 10:57 Holyflare wrote:
Robik hasn't done shit yet, he started throwing out reads and then said hasn't read before page 44 and briefly your filter. Why did he start with your filter when his whole reason for snap accepting was to lynch me?

Is that scummy?

I'm curious because I think Palmar essentially does the same thing.


I would think town robik would jump at the chance to read my filter and find scummy things. I think mafia robik would look elsewhere.

So you think a Palmar/Robik scumteam would both try and push me as scum in almost exactly the same way?

Personally when it comes to your group I think I'm gonna go the process of elim route---if I can find reason enough to find Shiao/Robik towny now then I'll be able to vote you with no qualms. Finding scummy things in someone's filter is easy to do from either alignment for any reason and I don't think your comment says much about Robik at all.


It's not about finding them and showing them. His ONLY reason for replacing was to get me lynched. His entrance post says "I'm town and I'm happy that there's a 50% chance hf is mafia!" then proceeds to completely ditch everything to do with the reason he joined (he knows I'm town) and randonly pick out your filter? Like wth? What towny does that?

Not to mention shiaopi replaced out instead of just afking more.
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#924
On May 30 2014 11:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 30 2014 11:15 Holyflare wrote:
Just wanted to get your input on things because i had scummy wave feels and more input is always good. You also change your mind a lot

This game especially.
Is changing one's mind seen as a scummy or towny trait generally?


Null to town but you do that in every game so i kinda just want words down in thread so you're accountable for things later.
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May 30 2014 02:20 GMT
#928
On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:
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On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo
Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus.

You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and?

It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own.

ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit.
Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit.

I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.'


Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now.

If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it.


So then nobody is going to mention what i wrote about mderg then earlier in regards to this? :/
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May 30 2014 02:22 GMT
#931
On May 30 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 30 2014 11:18 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 11:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 11:11 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 10:57 Holyflare wrote:
Robik hasn't done shit yet, he started throwing out reads and then said hasn't read before page 44 and briefly your filter. Why did he start with your filter when his whole reason for snap accepting was to lynch me?

Is that scummy?

I'm curious because I think Palmar essentially does the same thing.


I would think town robik would jump at the chance to read my filter and find scummy things. I think mafia robik would look elsewhere.

So you think a Palmar/Robik scumteam would both try and push me as scum in almost exactly the same way?

Personally when it comes to your group I think I'm gonna go the process of elim route---if I can find reason enough to find Shiao/Robik towny now then I'll be able to vote you with no qualms. Finding scummy things in someone's filter is easy to do from either alignment for any reason and I don't think your comment says much about Robik at all.


It's not about finding them and showing them. His ONLY reason for replacing was to get me lynched. His entrance post says "I'm town and I'm happy that there's a 50% chance hf is mafia!" then proceeds to completely ditch everything to do with the reason he joined (he knows I'm town) and randonly pick out your filter? Like wth? What towny does that?

Not to mention shiaopi replaced out instead of just afking more.

Eh I was wrong about the replacement thing last time and SHiaoPi is an honourable guy and would replace out as either alignment if he needed to. Not looking into that.

Now surely you can't possibly be telling me that you truly believe that Robik would come in blaring his intentions, being completely serious about them, and move on in a heartbeat? AND that that somehow makes him scum?


Have you ever played with robik? That's the first thinf he'd do!
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May 30 2014 02:23 GMT
#933
On May 30 2014 07:19 Holyflare wrote:
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On May 30 2014 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
But sloosh was unconvincing, his case on MZ seemed kinda lazy and it seemed like he was actively lurking.

What I liked however was his point about MZ townreading people simply of going into the spotlight with their mayor campaigns. I also thought that MZ was sheeping ritoky for an easy misslynch at that point.


These two things cannot possibly go together at all. The first quote states that sloosh's case on mz is lazy and he's a lurker but his case was on mz sheeping ritoky and getting an early mislynch because he wouldn't care and it was quite reflective of what was happening. So we establish that mderg does not like sloosh because of this case. Mderg also states that he LIKES odin for the exact same thing that he hates sloosh for. These reads do not go together one bit.


His Palmar scumread makes sense but I have a feeling that Palmar is actually town.


This quote has no substance on a read of palmar at all. If a scum read makes sense then that person is scummy. Palmar has posted literally nothing but for some reason mderg gets the suspicion that palmar is town, based on nothing. Mderg has refrained from really commenting on cell B ever apart from this palmar point which he has defended about 3 times in his short filter. No read on WoS, no read on poofter other than saying that poofters point on palmar wasn't really that scum indicative.

The time that someone points out his scum reads (ritoky) in the form of colouring in cells mderg only comments on the read on bunnies rather than the red bolded palmar who he doesn't think is scum at all.

Mderg is the scum in his cell.


Just to add to this, Palmar is in mdergs other game (detention mafia) and palmar is actually posting in that game whereas he is not in this game yet mderg sees no relevance in mentioning that, no bother to attribute this lack of posting to an alignment, just small defences and free town reads for nothing.

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#934
On May 30 2014 11:23 mtamburini wrote:
@Bunnies what is the difference between RNG a mafia from each cell and just tunneling random people for reads?

The answer is NOTHING.

We start off with nothing tunnel on someone and get reads off it.



Stop talking about rng and bunnies. You're wrong on both accounts. Have you read the game yet?
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May 30 2014 02:28 GMT
#937
On May 30 2014 11:27 mtamburini wrote:
No I have not I'm heading into work now will be back in 10 hours. Just read bunnies filter and she keeps trying to bury me for the RNG mafia post I did.


Because it's useless and you're still talking about it rather than everything else in the game abd especially the lynch that's happening today.
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May 30 2014 02:31 GMT
#940
On May 30 2014 11:28 ritoky wrote:
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On May 30 2014 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote:
On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo
Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus.

You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and?

It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own.

ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit.
Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit.

I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.'


Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now.

If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it.

I actually haven't really looked into Odin's yet at all.
Despite popular belief, I don't think comprehensive cases on specific targets matter a hell of a lot. Look at how often Foolishness posts stuff like that (don't actually know if you've ever been exposed to him though...look at the old Shadow game if you want an example).

Cases say more about the people who wrote them then the people they're about, my fran'.

Are you saying that just because Sloosh wrote a comprehensive case (which it truly isn't but whatever I'll concede that point) that it makes him right? Or even further, that it makes him town?


I am saying, if sloosh's case is the best case, then that's some weak stuff; outside of the one point in it I think is good and needs addressing.


Why do you maintain that you would still be voting odin over mz despite never giving any reason that odin could potentially be scum? You even qualify your scum read with reasons why you don't think he is scum. What has he done that's scummy compared to the only thing you're town reading mz off of and that's buddying you?
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May 30 2014 02:39 GMT
#944
Vote here
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May 30 2014 02:40 GMT
#945
No idea who pushed first think it was pretty universal anti thrawn
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#946
I hate hate hate this order -.- it's such a mafia favoured one
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May 30 2014 02:44 GMT
#948
Really makes me want to lynch ritoky for it and it's one of my biggest qualms
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May 30 2014 02:45 GMT
#949
You should not town read someone for joining in your early game trolling antics when someone else is giving you great hesitancy and is playing solve the game.
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May 30 2014 02:48 GMT
#953
I am quite obviously town don't hate.
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#956
Gonna get to endgame and it's going to be ritoky/palmar discussing order abd palmar saying put holys group second so he can't solve game and ritoky is like "k".

Inb4
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May 30 2014 03:03 GMT
#960
On May 30 2014 12:00 ritoky wrote:
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On May 30 2014 11:55 Holyflare wrote:
Gonna get to endgame and it's going to be ritoky/palmar discussing order abd palmar saying put holys group second so he can't solve game and ritoky is like "k".

Inb4


says the guy who wanted cell D last.....in a potential LYLO....cell D??? Would be a 3 total post final phase.


Why the hell would you ever get to lylo in this game? Ever???
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May 30 2014 03:06 GMT
#961
You get strong reads and you win or lose in the first few days. Either way, back to your mz read. The only reason you think he's town is buddying the ONLY reason. You even said he's just summarising, attacking odin etc. You give all the reasons for odin being town but none for mz.
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May 30 2014 03:36 GMT
#962
Why whenever we start a decent discussion does everyone run away?
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May 30 2014 03:38 GMT
#964
On May 30 2014 12:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
im still here.

im working on a big case right now, its gonna take a while.


On who?
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May 30 2014 03:44 GMT
#966
Well then don't waste your time and actually get some input on this lynch for once -.-
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May 30 2014 03:49 GMT
#969
On May 30 2014 12:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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On May 30 2014 12:44 Holyflare wrote:
damn you found me plz dotn post teh best case ever people will know im mafia


no dice.

also the scum in cell a is meapak and ill get to that when i get the chance.


I'm telling you right now i am most definitely town and you are majorly wasting yours and eventually other people's time by making them read anything about me being mafia.
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May 30 2014 03:58 GMT
#971
Zzzz do what you want then because I am most definitely not getting lynched as town, in this game especially.
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May 30 2014 04:03 GMT
#972
Also at this point in time palmar is pretty much confirmed mafia.
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May 30 2014 04:07 GMT
#974
On May 30 2014 13:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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On May 30 2014 13:03 Holyflare wrote:
Also at this point in time palmar is pretty much confirmed mafia.


What makes you think so?


He's playing in your other game. He has no interest in this game whatsoever, he says he won't play the mayor bit but then never returns. He's usually pretty trolly as town who isn't playing but he isn't even that here (his tambo thing was just shitty and atypical palmar troll). He most likely won't start playing till late tomorrow or even at my cells lynch and then try and control the pace of the game after I'm dead.
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May 30 2014 04:10 GMT
#975
Will be pretty amused if it's odin/palmar/shiaopi/tambo/x because then it's just team afk and would be a cery good reason for palmar to just not give a shit
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May 30 2014 04:17 GMT
#976
At this point i think everyone has a scum read on mz which is actually kind of worrying too. Only ritoky doesn't??
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May 30 2014 04:23 GMT
#977
And the one man game continueeeesssss....
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May 30 2014 04:23 GMT
#978
This game is so fucked after my cell goes glglglglgl!
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May 30 2014 04:30 GMT
#980
Find me the people other than ritoky that aren't scum reading mz with a day till lynch.
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May 30 2014 04:56 GMT
#983
Jesus that case is terrible. I told you not to waste your time. My mayor "campaign" only started because i got here at 10 and the game started at 11 so i just pissed about making a mayor post, you can even see me posting at 10. If people voted me because i know how the game mechanics worked, that would be cool. I really didn't care as you can see from the massive amount of trolling contained within. Regardless of if sloosh has posted one case that you have to agree with because it's accurate still doesn't mean that your cell isn't the shittiest cell there is. He has one case to go off of, you have no content and tambo is still talking about rng.
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May 30 2014 04:59 GMT
#984
I still hope you are joking about your "content full" case earlier.
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May 30 2014 05:01 GMT
#986
On May 30 2014 13:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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On May 30 2014 13:30 Holyflare wrote:
Find me the people other than ritoky that aren't scum reading mz with a day till lynch.


You gonna make me major filter dive? Damn hf.


Hmmm

Tamburini
MZ himself
Mderg ( this post is super weird imo: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449768-cell-mini-mafia-ii?page=43#857 )
Palmer voted odin, so there's that.
Robik hasnt said anything about MZ
Obi is focusing on you.


So those are the ones i have.


This is most likely a rather accurate list of mafia.
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May 30 2014 05:03 GMT
#988
They are all in different cells
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May 30 2014 05:09 GMT
#989
Apart from mderg and obi and obi at least just contributed something.
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May 30 2014 05:09 GMT
#990
Tambo and obi*
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May 30 2014 05:28 GMT
#991
I've come to the conclusion that obi is

A) someone new/played very little with me
B) most likely played in golden sun or yuma
C) initial reaction was steveling but not so sure now


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May 30 2014 05:48 GMT
#993
Just admit your inner feelings that you think I'm town and roll with it because I am.
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May 30 2014 05:51 GMT
#994
Lowe [1973] is a fucking retarded example of the failure of law btw, google it.
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May 30 2014 05:59 GMT
#996
Well this is awkward, I'm just about to go to bed
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May 30 2014 06:00 GMT
#998
Odin, pledge to me your allegiance. Swear to me that you are town then tell me who to lynch.
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May 30 2014 06:01 GMT
#1000
On May 30 2014 15:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 30 2014 14:48 Holyflare wrote:
Just admit your inner feelings that you think I'm town and roll with it because I am.



From Cultured:
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On March 01 2014 07:35 Holyflare wrote:
kinda wanna be set freeeeeeeeee, confirmed town is boring :D

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On March 01 2014 09:04 Holyflare wrote:
anyway, geript+me+vivax+wave with dem town hugs <3 <3 (maybe gumshoe) let's gogogogo

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As town i look towny straight away. Just like this game. Hence when I see you writing a case on why I should die everyone can tell you it's a waste of your time because if you are town then you should be finding the last guy, not talking about random scenarios.


Just for one game's example.

In conclusion, stfu kindly sir.


Well that's true but i was doing all that to survive to lylo. :p here it's just straight forward mostly afk mafia.
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May 30 2014 06:03 GMT
#1001
Don't think I'll really be around tomorrow/my lynch day need to study like a bitch
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May 30 2014 06:05 GMT
#1003
Dat logic :ooooo!
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May 30 2014 06:06 GMT
#1004
So mafia that i have tmi about future lynches
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May 30 2014 06:07 GMT
#1006
Anyway, mz is day 1 lynch. Robik day 2. Palmar day 3. Fuck cell D. Mderg if lylo.
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May 30 2014 06:10 GMT
#1008
Yeh k odin is town.
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May 30 2014 06:11 GMT
#1010
On May 30 2014 15:10 OdinOfPergo wrote:
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On May 30 2014 15:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Too mafia.


You're going to have to explain this one to me Wave
Tomorrow is HF's cell day on the block. am I missing something??


The /sarcasm presumably :p
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May 30 2014 06:14 GMT
#1014
On May 30 2014 15:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 30 2014 15:10 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh k odin is town.

Why?


Because look what's happened in your cell. New information happens (poofter afking for great lengths) and you start to adapt your read and question your read of palmar. What does mz do when everyone is pointing out ritoky flaws or odin positives? He rejoins and tries to tear apart odins post instead of question anything at all.
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May 30 2014 06:16 GMT
#1016
What does ritoky do, albeit a little bit of newbie misguiding? He starts to adapt his odin read and incorporate it into his overall reads of his cell.
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May 30 2014 06:18 GMT
#1019
On May 30 2014 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On May 30 2014 15:14 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 15:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 30 2014 15:10 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh k odin is town.

Why?


Because look what's happened in your cell. New information happens (poofter afking for great lengths) and you start to adapt your read and question your read of palmar. What does mz do when everyone is pointing out ritoky flaws or odin positives? He rejoins and tries to tear apart odins post instead of question anything at all.

What does that have to do with Odin's recent return?


He's incorporated new information into the formation of his read. "ritoky has poop reasons but at least he's trying to take a stab at solving things in some places, his reason for reading mz is shit but i think his other play outweighs it"

Holyflare
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May 30 2014 06:19 GMT
#1020
Like he's been here 5 minutes and already summed up what's happened in the past 24 hours lol
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May 30 2014 06:23 GMT
#1022
[image loading]

^^^ odin right now
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May 30 2014 06:27 GMT
#1023
Anyway bed time! A vote for mz is a vote for a town win.
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May 30 2014 13:50 GMT
#1079
If the majority of people town read ritoky why would mz not be allowed to town read ritoky and poe you?
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May 30 2014 14:01 GMT
#1084
On May 30 2014 22:56 batsnacks wrote:
Damn it no one is going to read that thing I just posted because it's at the bottom of the page.


Don't think it really applies. He meant that he town read ritoky for being ballsy and then his town read was reaffirmed when he did towny looking scum hunting.
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May 30 2014 14:03 GMT
#1086
don't know your alignment, and I (If I am town)

If you are town...?
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May 30 2014 14:50 GMT
#1107
On May 30 2014 23:36 IAmRobik wrote:
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On May 30 2014 11:23 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 07:19 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
But sloosh was unconvincing, his case on MZ seemed kinda lazy and it seemed like he was actively lurking.

What I liked however was his point about MZ townreading people simply of going into the spotlight with their mayor campaigns. I also thought that MZ was sheeping ritoky for an easy misslynch at that point.


These two things cannot possibly go together at all. The first quote states that sloosh's case on mz is lazy and he's a lurker but his case was on mz sheeping ritoky and getting an early mislynch because he wouldn't care and it was quite reflective of what was happening. So we establish that mderg does not like sloosh because of this case. Mderg also states that he LIKES odin for the exact same thing that he hates sloosh for. These reads do not go together one bit.


His Palmar scumread makes sense but I have a feeling that Palmar is actually town.


This quote has no substance on a read of palmar at all. If a scum read makes sense then that person is scummy. Palmar has posted literally nothing but for some reason mderg gets the suspicion that palmar is town, based on nothing. Mderg has refrained from really commenting on cell B ever apart from this palmar point which he has defended about 3 times in his short filter. No read on WoS, no read on poofter other than saying that poofters point on palmar wasn't really that scum indicative.

The time that someone points out his scum reads (ritoky) in the form of colouring in cells mderg only comments on the read on bunnies rather than the red bolded palmar who he doesn't think is scum at all.

Mderg is the scum in his cell.


Just to add to this, Palmar is in mdergs other game (detention mafia) and palmar is actually posting in that game whereas he is not in this game yet mderg sees no relevance in mentioning that, no bother to attribute this lack of posting to an alignment, just small defences and free town reads for nothing.


I think it's really scummy that you are basing a read off of what's going on in a different game. I also think it's scummy that you are trying to build a case on mderg because of Palmar's actions, instead of on Palmar.



It's really not.
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May 30 2014 14:54 GMT
#1109
On May 30 2014 23:49 Palmar wrote:
Maybe mderg is smart enough to know that I don't always play the same way HF.


There is not a way in this game that you are not getting lynched. In survivor you spent the WHOLE game complaining about people afking. You said to ve at the end, that you couldn't overlook his afking at the start of the game and that made him scum and you were unlikely to change your mind. You mentioned more than several times that you would policy lynch afkers in later games.

I am holding you to this standard. You will be lynched and if you are town the failure to get +1 town point rested on your activity.
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May 30 2014 14:57 GMT
#1110
On May 30 2014 23:53 IAmRobik wrote:
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On May 30 2014 23:50 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 23:36 IAmRobik wrote:
On May 30 2014 11:23 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 07:19 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 07:05 Holyflare wrote:
But sloosh was unconvincing, his case on MZ seemed kinda lazy and it seemed like he was actively lurking.

What I liked however was his point about MZ townreading people simply of going into the spotlight with their mayor campaigns. I also thought that MZ was sheeping ritoky for an easy misslynch at that point.


These two things cannot possibly go together at all. The first quote states that sloosh's case on mz is lazy and he's a lurker but his case was on mz sheeping ritoky and getting an early mislynch because he wouldn't care and it was quite reflective of what was happening. So we establish that mderg does not like sloosh because of this case. Mderg also states that he LIKES odin for the exact same thing that he hates sloosh for. These reads do not go together one bit.


His Palmar scumread makes sense but I have a feeling that Palmar is actually town.


This quote has no substance on a read of palmar at all. If a scum read makes sense then that person is scummy. Palmar has posted literally nothing but for some reason mderg gets the suspicion that palmar is town, based on nothing. Mderg has refrained from really commenting on cell B ever apart from this palmar point which he has defended about 3 times in his short filter. No read on WoS, no read on poofter other than saying that poofters point on palmar wasn't really that scum indicative.

The time that someone points out his scum reads (ritoky) in the form of colouring in cells mderg only comments on the read on bunnies rather than the red bolded palmar who he doesn't think is scum at all.

Mderg is the scum in his cell.


Just to add to this, Palmar is in mdergs other game (detention mafia) and palmar is actually posting in that game whereas he is not in this game yet mderg sees no relevance in mentioning that, no bother to attribute this lack of posting to an alignment, just small defences and free town reads for nothing.


I think it's really scummy that you are basing a read off of what's going on in a different game. I also think it's scummy that you are trying to build a case on mderg because of Palmar's actions, instead of on Palmar.



It's really not.

It really is. I'd love to hear your explanation for why you don't think it's alignment indicative of palmar at all, but that it is alignment indicative for mderg.


Are you retarded? There's 1 sentence in that entire thing that relies on palmars activity in another game. It's nothing to do with MY read on palmar. It's mdergs mindset. I can't talk about the things happening in ongoing games.

Mderg had tambo as scum and all tambo did was afk and say something about rng at the start. Mderg has palmar as town and all palmar did was vote tambo and permanently afk. Mderg defends his palmar town read based on nothing and it doesn't make sense.

Independent of this I quite obviously think palnar is scum.
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May 30 2014 15:02 GMT
#1112
On May 31 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote:
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On May 30 2014 23:54 Holyflare wrote:
On May 30 2014 23:49 Palmar wrote:
Maybe mderg is smart enough to know that I don't always play the same way HF.


There is not a way in this game that you are not getting lynched. In survivor you spent the WHOLE game complaining about people afking. You said to ve at the end, that you couldn't overlook his afking at the start of the game and that made him scum and you were unlikely to change your mind. You mentioned more than several times that you would policy lynch afkers in later games.

I am holding you to this standard. You will be lynched and if you are town the failure to get +1 town point rested on your activity.


Look more people talking who will be gone when my cell comes up!
'
Also, my rules don't apply to myself, I am the king after all.


It doesn't matter, I will make sure people do it. Besides, if you're town it will go down with mafia and you'll get lynched anyway.
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May 30 2014 15:06 GMT
#1115
On May 31 2014 00:02 IAmRobik wrote:
Your blatantly talking about ongoing games, and now you're saying that you can't talk about things happening in ongoing games. That's so hypocritical.

So let's lay out a hypothetical for you:
Say Palmar is playing 2 games at once, and he's active in one game and inactive in another. Say, hypothetically, that the mod of the game that Palmar is active in, for this example, let's pick a name out of a hate.....let's say mderg, should prolly have a grasp of Palmar activitity. In this crazy hypothetical occurrence that has nothing to do with real life, why would you ping out the mod, over the person that you perceive as playing differently. THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.


What the hell are you talking about? The ongoing games thing is so minor in comparison to everything else. It's simple activity vs non-activity that was not mentioned by mderg despite being in 2 games at once. It's another facet to gather information that mderg ignores to instead town read palmar based on nothing.

Why are you still focusing on this ongoing game stuff when there's actual convincing stuff before that.
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May 30 2014 15:07 GMT
#1116
If you think I'm not scum reading palmar you have no concept of this game whatsoever robik.
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#1118
On May 31 2014 00:08 IAmRobik wrote:
I don't give a **** about the ongoing game. I want to know why you are focusing on mderg for it as opposed to Palmar. Clearly, within the past few posts, I have come to realize that you also consider Palmar scum. But the fact that you are focusing on mderg over Palmar is what bothers the **** out of me


Palmar has 0 activity to talk about. Mderg has more than 0 activity to talk about. Already talked about palmars cell and came to him being mafia conclusion before talking to mderg. If you don't bother reading you'll never find this out and you'll keep wasting your time on this pointless crap.
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May 30 2014 15:17 GMT
#1120
Implying you have swag to begin with
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#1122
[image loading]
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#1195
##vote meapak z
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#1196
Out all night don't switch this mz defence useless, he's made like 1 or 2 posts against odin and then pretty much fucked off
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May 30 2014 19:51 GMT
#1225
People talk about massive bussing on mz. Robik decides it's no longer massive bussing # logic

Get the fuck on mz, the fact it's no longer unanimous should be obvious.
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May 31 2014 17:55 GMT
#1360
On May 31 2014 03:56 IAmRobik wrote:
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On May 31 2014 03:55 IAmRobik wrote:
So like, I'm town and the fact that both people in my cell are voting for meapak should scare the shit out of everyone and everyone should prolly switch off.

kthx

For the record, I have 0 other reason to believe he's town.


On May 31 2014 05:08 IAmRobik wrote:
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On May 31 2014 05:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 31 2014 05:02 IAmRobik wrote:
On May 31 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Poofter Where in the actual fuck are you?
I swear I'm this fuckinga close to changing my mind and actually believing palmar is town. (Not really but still)

As for MZ, he is a fighter. I've seen him play like this before going down, and he is playing well. It's unfortunate that ritoky right now is playing like shit and making our decision difficult.

What's with all of this flip flop bullshit? Robik how in the actual fuck can you be voting for Odin?

I really really wanted to vote for MZ, but that would mean that the bus in my group is real and I don't want to believe that scum would want to bus a d1 lynch.

As for Ritoky, I was his coach in his newbie game. While he says he's been playing online mafia for 5+ years, nothing that he did in that newbie game would lead me to believe that he would man up and take the reigns and try to be town mayor. The fact that he did that, given my perception that he would be timid as town, makes me think that he is town BECAUSE I don't think that a timid town instantly turns into an outspoken mafia.

This is a horrible reason not to vote for MZ, and a barely decent reason not to vote for ritoky. You have no idea what newbies are capable of, ESPECIALLY if he's not actually a newbie. He was plenty aggressive in his last game as town iirc, and I see no reason why he couldn't put it on as scum too. There is zero reason why first time scummers (on this site, anyway) need to be assumed to be timid their first time.

On top of that, neither of these are reasons for Odin ACTUALLY BEING SCUM< when you said yourself you read the early posts and assumed he was town.

I just read like 2 posts of his and decided that...I didn't read any of his early stuff until I read whatever MZ quoted. I haven't read the drunk stuff that people cleared him for, but I assumed it was clear-worthy. I was mostly just going along with the consensus of people who were calling him town backed by my own insta-read on him.


On May 31 2014 05:11 IAmRobik wrote:
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On May 31 2014 05:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On May 31 2014 05:02 IAmRobik wrote:
On May 31 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Poofter Where in the actual fuck are you?
I swear I'm this fuckinga close to changing my mind and actually believing palmar is town. (Not really but still)

As for MZ, he is a fighter. I've seen him play like this before going down, and he is playing well. It's unfortunate that ritoky right now is playing like shit and making our decision difficult.

What's with all of this flip flop bullshit? Robik how in the actual fuck can you be voting for Odin?

I really really wanted to vote for MZ, but that would mean that the bus in my group is real and I don't want to believe that scum would want to bus a d1 lynch.

As for Ritoky, I was his coach in his newbie game. While he says he's been playing online mafia for 5+ years, nothing that he did in that newbie game would lead me to believe that he would man up and take the reigns and try to be town mayor. The fact that he did that, given my perception that he would be timid as town, makes me think that he is town BECAUSE I don't think that a timid town instantly turns into an outspoken mafia.




is there any proof behind this or do you just have him by poe?

Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot.

The fact that Odin seems to have felt safe and hasn't been back to the thread makes me lean scummier though. Like, the dude is in the first lynch group. He has to put in a solid 72 hours of work including the mayor shit (unless that was also 48hrs -- which would be lolworthy long), and he's not willing to be around for the last half of the last day that he can possibly contribute. DAFUQ is that bullshit.


On May 31 2014 05:16 IAmRobik wrote:
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On May 31 2014 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 31 2014 05:11 IAmRobik wrote:
On May 31 2014 05:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On May 31 2014 05:02 IAmRobik wrote:
On May 31 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Poofter Where in the actual fuck are you?
I swear I'm this fuckinga close to changing my mind and actually believing palmar is town. (Not really but still)

As for MZ, he is a fighter. I've seen him play like this before going down, and he is playing well. It's unfortunate that ritoky right now is playing like shit and making our decision difficult.

What's with all of this flip flop bullshit? Robik how in the actual fuck can you be voting for Odin?

I really really wanted to vote for MZ, but that would mean that the bus in my group is real and I don't want to believe that scum would want to bus a d1 lynch.

As for Ritoky, I was his coach in his newbie game. While he says he's been playing online mafia for 5+ years, nothing that he did in that newbie game would lead me to believe that he would man up and take the reigns and try to be town mayor. The fact that he did that, given my perception that he would be timid as town, makes me think that he is town BECAUSE I don't think that a timid town instantly turns into an outspoken mafia.


this leads odin to being the scum in cell A.

is there any proof behind this or do you just have him by poe?

Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot.

The fact that Odin seems to have felt safe and hasn't been back to the thread makes me lean scummier though.
Like, the dude is in the first lynch group. He has to put in a solid 72 hours of work including the mayor shit (unless that was also 48hrs -- which would be lolworthy long), and he's not willing to be around for the last half of the last day that he can possibly contribute. DAFUQ is that bullshit.

Oh so you mean like ritoky who afked for the better part of the post-mayoral election?

And I absolutely did not clear odin for his drunk shit.

Whatever, I concede that it may be Rikoty, but like, I don't like MZ for scum anymore. I'm putting my ass on the line here. Like if we don't lynch MZ and it's a miss, I feel like I'm gonna be facing the wrath of 7 hells tomorrow.


0 reason to believe mz is town other than 2 of his cell being on mz, suddenly becomes all of cell A having good things going for them, uses odin's inactivity to redo a scum read and says he obviously feels safe despite if you actually read odins posts it looked like the complete opposite (lololol) after having no actual read on odin at all because he never read his posts (read the red text) this leads odin to being the scum in cell A.

so to summarise robik, he is SO SO SO confident that mz is NOT A BUS despite consensus being solidly on mz being scum all day that scum would most likely have to bus that he completey throws everything away to not vote mz. He even said he would vote other people to SAVE mz he was that confident. Highest TMI i've seen in a while




All through the mayor day mderg was town reading ritoky which culminated in:

On May 29 2014 05:51 mderg wrote:
##vote: ritoky

I don´t really agree with his cell order but I´m more sure about him being town than batsnacks. The vote is most likely going to be between these two. So I´m voting for my stronger townread.


Since then not much changed, he even said cell A "should be pretty clear".

Then you have this post:

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 30 2014 06:42 mderg wrote:
Giving my thoughts on Cell A:

At first I didn´t like ritoky and MZ and I thought one of them just wanted an easy misslynch in thrawn. Especially thrawn not posting at all and being replaced isn´t alignment indicative at all. Later in his mayor campaign ritoky actually showed some solid reasoning and elaborated on his cell order. Even though I didn´t agree with the cell order I thought he was townie and figured that having him as mayor would give us a well elaborated cell order.

Odin´s first post weren´t necessarily screaming town to me but they certainly weren´t scummy. I didn´t like how he called ritoky leading a clear agenda in his mayor campaign since I didn´t see any agenda in that. What I liked however was his point about MZ townreading people simply of going into the spotlight with their mayor campaigns. I also thought that MZ was sheeping ritoky for an easy misslynch at that point.
His Palmar scumread makes sense but I have a feeling that Palmar is actually town. Coupled with the fact that he didn´t like the freedom bullshit I read Odin as town at that point. That also means that I thought of MZ as scum.

Then the "drunken rage" hits and I´m really unsure about Odin. It might just be play from a frustrated townie but it might also be play by a frustrated scum. It didn´t make any sense to me.
At about the same time MZ started having some good posts that seemed townie to me. The reads he made in this post seemed natural to me.
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 30 2014 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 03:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 30 2014 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
mz we've got your reads on your cell, explain the rest of the game to us, who else is scum?

Ok gimme a sec to get everything together. I'll tell you right now I think it's Palmar from B because Palmar who doesn't give a shit is scumpalmar

Cell C:
HF, you’ve been active all game and I generally agree with your reads and your “townpile.” I have you as town right now.
Batsnacks wanted group C to go first because he felt he “had a grasp on it” but hasn’t actually provided any insight into the group aside from his one big post where he “didn’t like” and was “not a fan” of lots of people but did not provide any solid reads. At the moment, only real scumread is me for “buddying ritoky.” His to big posts were a summary and setup speculation. Overall not really impressed with what I’ve seen.
ShaioPi is sadly less impressive than batsnacks. He calls HF, Tamburini, and ritoky scum and then never really revisits it. He doesn’t like group A and he wanted batsnacks to be mayor. Overall incredibly lurky and low content. I had called him scum for saying he didn’t like freedom but at the moment he’s the scummiest from group C imo.

Cell D
Tamburini rng’d a list of scum and then afk’d, null.
ObiWan is lurky as well. Has thrice promised a case and then reneged. The only real read he provides is sloosh as scum. There’s a casual open manner to his posts though imo so I’ll give him a pass until I see more substantive posts. I guess I’m cautiously optimistic about obiwan.
Sloosh is active lurking and he chainsaw’s Odin by going after me. I personally think his case is hilariously bad and because I think Odin is scum, I’m gonna throw down the omgus and say that sloosh is the scum from Cell D. His active lurking and lack of reads is bad enough, the chainsaw is icing on the cake.

Cell E
Layabout has been spectacularly useless, but he might be the scum from this group because he goes after ritoky, but then changes his tune after the lynch on me starts to pick up speed. This is just another chainsaw defense of odin. Layabout goes from saying ritoky’s plan makes perfect sense from a mafia perspective to saying I’m scum for buddying him. The only thing that makes sense here from a mafia perspective is layabout’s play because he realizes I’m an easier lynch than ritoky.
27NB has been active and her reads have been decent. Townread from me.
Mderg hasn’t really been pushing any reads, but what he has said has been well thought out and logical so I feel pretty good about him as well.

So my scum team looks like this:
Odin, Palmar, ShaioPi, Sloosh, Layabout. Most confident on the first two, least confident on ShaioPi .

I don´t really agree on Cell C. I wouldn´t put Hf down as town and his reasoning for calling ShiaoPi scum is not the most convincing. But I agree that ShiaoPi is scummiest in that group.
I completely agree with his reads on cell D. tamburini is a question mark and ObiWan was kinda strange with the case he promised. But sloosh was unconvincing, his case on MZ seemed kinda lazy and it seemed like he was actively lurking.
Cell E seems pretty clear to me. layabout´s play didn´t convince me at all and bunnies showed good activity as well as good elaboration on her reads.


So I´m stuck in the weird place of having 3 slight townreads in this cell. Right now I´d go with ritoky because I haven´t seen anything amazing from him recently but this is not how I want to actually lynch someone.



which pretty much calls everyone in cell A null/town and leaves his options open, I'd go so far as to say that ritoky is his actual strongest read based off of day 1 info + this post but somehow he said he'd probably end up voting ritoky at the end of it despite listing no negatives compared to the other 2. Then the reads he actually gives in the post if you focus on them don't legitimately add up and it doesn't seem like he's keeping consistant with it at all (I made a post on this before). He says sloosh's case was lazy and not great and sloosh's case was all about MZ sheeping, HE SAID IT WAS BAD OK BUT THEN HE TOWN READS ODIN FOR SAYING THE SAME THING ON MZ EVEN THOUGH IT WAS AFTER SLOOSH'S CASE. This is really really suspicious. He then gives a terrible reason to switch to ritoky over mz even though ritokys thoughts were pretty consitant with what he had been saying the whole day so it had not changed. Not to mention he tried to just push me for saying "mderg is definitely mafia" and his reason was that mafia has "too much information" so he pretty much just called himself mafia

Somehow he even knows for a fact that I´m mafia. Sadly he also says that he will not disclose the reasons for that. As far as I know only people of 1 alignment can know the alignment of others for a fact (hint: it´s scum). He is 100% lying here. I´m not scum. Also, why even mention reasons you will not disclose anyway?
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On May 30 2014 06:55 Holyflare wrote:
and I know for a fact that mderg is now mafia after that post he just made because of reasons that i will not disclose


Not to mention I did disclose as much info as I could and more than anything HE SHOULD KNOW THE UNDISCLOSED INFO SO THIS IS SUPER SUSPICIOUS TOO.




auto-lynch palmar plz, he even used the same shitty logic as robik "if mz is scum i'm basically a free mislynch in my cell oh noooo!"

On May 31 2014 03:27 Palmar wrote:
Too bad I can't save you

##Unvote MZ
##Vote ritoky


Reason: I don't expect anyone to follow this but whatever, because it relies on me knowing I'm town.

if MZ is actually mafia, I'm basically a lock mislynch for his team. There is literally no reason for him as scum to call me out as being scum which might (even if weak) be at some point interpreted as me actually being town. if he's mafia he'd probably just not comment on me at all because that makes sure he doesn't accidentally absolve me.

On May 31 2014 05:16 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2014 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 31 2014 05:11 IAmRobik wrote:
On May 31 2014 05:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On May 31 2014 05:02 IAmRobik wrote:
On May 31 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Poofter Where in the actual fuck are you?
I swear I'm this fuckinga close to changing my mind and actually believing palmar is town. (Not really but still)

As for MZ, he is a fighter. I've seen him play like this before going down, and he is playing well. It's unfortunate that ritoky right now is playing like shit and making our decision difficult.

What's with all of this flip flop bullshit? Robik how in the actual fuck can you be voting for Odin?

I really really wanted to vote for MZ, but that would mean that the bus in my group is real and I don't want to believe that scum would want to bus a d1 lynch.

As for Ritoky, I was his coach in his newbie game. While he says he's been playing online mafia for 5+ years, nothing that he did in that newbie game would lead me to believe that he would man up and take the reigns and try to be town mayor. The fact that he did that, given my perception that he would be timid as town, makes me think that he is town BECAUSE I don't think that a timid town instantly turns into an outspoken mafia.


this leads odin to being the scum in cell A.

is there any proof behind this or do you just have him by poe?

Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot.

The fact that Odin seems to have felt safe and hasn't been back to the thread makes me lean scummier though.
Like, the dude is in the first lynch group. He has to put in a solid 72 hours of work including the mayor shit (unless that was also 48hrs -- which would be lolworthy long), and he's not willing to be around for the last half of the last day that he can possibly contribute. DAFUQ is that bullshit.

Oh so you mean like ritoky who afked for the better part of the post-mayoral election?

And I absolutely did not clear odin for his drunk shit.

Whatever, I concede that it may be Rikoty, but like, I don't like MZ for scum anymore. I'm putting my ass on the line here. Like if we don't lynch MZ and it's a miss, I feel like I'm gonna be facing the wrath of 7 hells tomorrow.


Not associative, just mafia reasoning.




cell d is still a clusterfuck


##vote iamrobik


Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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May 31 2014 18:05 GMT
#1364
On June 01 2014 02:59 batsnacks wrote:
Holyflare who's mafia in Cell D and E?


cell d i honestly have no clue, obi's only contribution is a terrible case on me when it wasn't even relevant and was bad and he voted mz for "plot holes in his reasoning" but never explained that and wasted time, tambo is just.. like afk all the time and when he returns he goes on bunnies for reasons of fucking rng discussion -.- major useless waste of time, sloosh had a case that i liked but that's the only thing that i liked and other than that he has done absolutely 0 things so really cell d is complete shit

cell e, i like bunnies, she went tryhard on filtering people when it didnt' really need to be done if she was mafia because i'm pretty sure she had good reasons to begin with, she's put in a lot of effort and all that jazz. i already made my reasons for mderg but i wouldn't honestly be surprised if it was layabout because he has also done 0 things
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 18:07 GMT
#1365
On June 01 2014 03:05 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 02:55 Holyflare wrote:
I did disclose as much info as I could and more than anything HE SHOULD KNOW THE UNDISCLOSED INFO SO THIS IS SUPER SUSPICIOUS TOO.



If it is what I think it is, I have absolutely no clue how you could come to the conclusion then. I also think you should not have mentioned it at all.


it's nothing to do with what you think, simply that you are in both games and drew no parallells between what he was doing here and there yet instantly town read him for 0 reasons here after he had done nothing and then you defended the point about 3 times
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 18:11 GMT
#1367
The thing about Poof brought up about Palmar is nothing I´d read into

I don´t really like M_Z because he is so into the freedom thing and kinda buddied with ritoky. He also called the meta case on Palmar "a pretty damning meta case". IMO it´s something to look into but definitely not even close to a 100% scum tell.

Also I am not that sure about Palmar being scum. Why would he do the same shit as the game before where he was scum. It just feels strange.

His Palmar scumread makes sense but I have a feeling that Palmar is actually town


this is all while palmar was doing nothing, not consistant and definitely tmi
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 18:13 GMT
#1368
On June 01 2014 03:11 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 03:05 mderg wrote:
On June 01 2014 02:55 Holyflare wrote:
I did disclose as much info as I could and more than anything HE SHOULD KNOW THE UNDISCLOSED INFO SO THIS IS SUPER SUSPICIOUS TOO.



If it is what I think it is, I have absolutely no clue how you could come to the conclusion then. I also think you should not have mentioned it at all.


it's nothing to do with what you think, simply that you are in both games and drew no parallells between what he was doing here and there yet instantly town read him for 0 reasons here after he had done nothing and then you defended the point about 3 times

I should know the undisclosed info but it has nothing to do with what I think? I don´t get this.


stop fucking talking about info in ongoing games, you are in a game where palmar is actively playing right? yes.
you see palmar not playing in this game at all right? yes.
you say nothing about that whatsoever but come to the ready conclusion that hes town right? yes

all based on 0 posts and you haven't used anything to draw these conclusions
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 18:17 GMT
#1369
On May 30 2014 14:01 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 13:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 30 2014 13:30 Holyflare wrote:
Find me the people other than ritoky that aren't scum reading mz with a day till lynch.


You gonna make me major filter dive? Damn hf.


Hmmm

Tamburini
MZ himself
Mderg ( this post is super weird imo: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449768-cell-mini-mafia-ii?page=43#857 )
Palmer voted odin, so there's that.
Robik hasnt said anything about MZ
Obi is focusing on you.


So those are the ones i have.


This is most likely a rather accurate list of mafia.

On May 31 2014 06:20 LoneMeow wrote:
Counting of votes:

OdinOfPergo (3): Palmar, Meapak_Ziphh, IAmRobik, ritoky
ritoky (3): mderg, Palmar, mtamburini
Meapak_Ziphh (9): WaveofShadow, slOosh, layabout, OdinOfPergo, Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, Holyflare, batsnacks, 27ninjabunnies, Tehpoofter

Currently, Meapak_Ziphh is set to be lynched.
You have until Friday, May 30 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ) to vote.
Voting is mandatory!


+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +

VOTE: WaveofShadow voted Meapak_Ziphh (post)
VOTE: slOosh voted Meapak_Ziphh (post)
VOTE: layabout voted meapak ziph (Meapak_Ziphh) (post)
VOTE: Palmar voted OdinOfPergo (post)
VOTE: OdinOfPergo voted Meapak_Ziphh (post)
VOTE: mderg voted ritoky (post)
VOTE: Palmar unvoted OdinOfPergo (post)
VOTE: Palmar voted Meapak (Meapak_Ziphh) (post)
VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted meapak (Meapak_Ziphh) (post)
VOTE: Palmar unvoted Meapak_Ziphh (post)
VOTE: Palmar voted ritoky (post)
VOTE: Holyflare voted meapak z (Meapak_Ziphh) (post)
VOTE: batsnacks voted Meapak_Ziphh (post)
VOTE: Meapak_Ziphh voted OdinOfPergo (post)
VOTE: IAmRobik voted odinofprego (OdinOfPergo) (post)
VOTE: ritoky voted Odinofpergo (OdinOfPergo) (post)
VOTE: 27ninjabunnies voted Meapak_Ziphh (post)
VOTE: mtamburini voted RITOKY (ritoky) (post)
VOTE: Tehpoofter voted Meapek_Z (Meapak_Ziphh) (post)

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 18:20 GMT
#1371
-.- -.- -.- -.- -.-

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 18:23 GMT
#1372
Somehow he even knows for a fact that I´m mafia. Sadly he also says that he will not disclose the reasons for that. As far as I know only people of 1 alignment can know the alignment of others for a fact (hint: it´s scum). He is 100% lying here. I´m not scum.


explain this then please

"only 1 alignment can know the alignment of others (scum)" implies quite obviously that I am scum but if that's the case then you ARE therefore mafia.

Then you add on that i'm 100% lying and you're not scum which is:

A) Adding unneeded information to state that you're town which is inherently a mafia thing to do
B) Disproving the previous half of the statement because if you are town then I can't possibly know your alignment so then what's the point of writing it?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 18:33 GMT
#1374
Huh....? I'm not the one who created this logic buddy it's right there in YOUR post.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 18:39 GMT
#1376
Half of the things you've called me mafia for are day 1 things which aren't even mafia orientated things. It's in fact very towny to get a consensus of other opinions because that holds people in written binding to explore later. After all you just said you were assuming ritoky is mafia but he was giving out information. That doesn't make sense. Then you leave out pretty much everything I've done in this game and point to one post which can't be explained and you know it can't because it's an ongoing game but actually had reasons for this game in it (which you ignored) and then used logic which was illogical to try and paint something i said in a mafia orientated way which is disproved by the fact you say it's a lie.

So really you have a post that is calling me mafia for:

Doing something towny
Something that was explained but you ignored
Illogical reasoning

Then you do what you did in cell A and have mutiple people as slightly scummy so that of one fails you can jump to the other and it will be acceptable.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 18:41 GMT
#1377
On June 01 2014 03:39 mderg wrote:
A short explanation of what I meant to say in that post.

You say that you know I´m scum.
This means you either don´t know my alignment thus it means you´re lying. Or this means that you know my alignment and thus are scum.
Since I don´t think you should be lying as town it isn´t far fetched to think you´re scum.


You've done it again??? If i don't know your alignment then I AM TOWN. IF I KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND CALLED YOU SCUM YOU ARE SCUM.

if I'm not supposed to "lie" as town that makes mafia so you are thus mafia!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 18:43 GMT
#1378
You also say "Holyflare was asking for peoples opinions and consensus which is scummy but then stopped doing that which is scummy"
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 18:50 GMT
#1381
On June 01 2014 03:46 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 03:41 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 03:39 mderg wrote:
A short explanation of what I meant to say in that post.

You say that you know I´m scum.
This means you either don´t know my alignment thus it means you´re lying. Or this means that you know my alignment and thus are scum.
Since I don´t think you should be lying as town it isn´t far fetched to think you´re scum.


You've done it again??? If i don't know your alignment then I AM TOWN. IF I KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND CALLED YOU SCUM YOU ARE SCUM.

if I'm not supposed to "lie" as town that makes mafia so you are thus mafia!

Are you actually serious or are you just playing dumb?


It's YOUR logic????????????
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 18:57 GMT
#1383
Look here's the thing. I don't care what you think of me you need to prove to me why you're not mafia and someone else in your cell is. If people think it's scummy and lynch me so be it but at least reads will be on the table and I'll have a better picture to solve the game by the time the lynch happens and if i do get lynched I'll flip town and people will listen to me and you will get lynched. So prove to me how your reads evolved and why they did for those reasons and then tell me who you think is mafia in your group and why.

The same goes for pretty much everyone else.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 18:58 GMT
#1384
On June 01 2014 03:54 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 03:50 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 03:46 mderg wrote:
On June 01 2014 03:41 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 03:39 mderg wrote:
A short explanation of what I meant to say in that post.

You say that you know I´m scum.
This means you either don´t know my alignment thus it means you´re lying. Or this means that you know my alignment and thus are scum.
Since I don´t think you should be lying as town it isn´t far fetched to think you´re scum.


You've done it again??? If i don't know your alignment then I AM TOWN. IF I KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND CALLED YOU SCUM YOU ARE SCUM.

if I'm not supposed to "lie" as town that makes mafia so you are thus mafia!

Are you actually serious or are you just playing dumb?


It's YOUR logic????????????

How can it be this hard to understand???????????
If you are town, you´re lying about knowing my alignment. If you´re mafia, you´re lying about me being mafia and lying in general.


So then why is the conclusion mafia?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 19:05 GMT
#1387
Let's take the scenario that you're presenting.

Mafia holyflare says he knows town mderg is mafia because of undisclosed reasons. (as if people would listen to this) Town mderg returns so that he can just say he's not mafia and these reasons mean nothing. I have achieved nothing, this is a terrible mafia play and you should feel silly for thinking it is.

Town Holyflare says he knows mafia mderg is mafia because of undisclosed reasons but tries his best to elaborate in legal boundary pushing because he believes this to be true but ultimately nothing comes out of it as mafia mderg returns and says lul no reasons! Used to bolster case in later game!

Town hf attacks town mderg with what he believes to be true etc etc mderg says lul no reasons hf mafia!

Hf gets lynched and flips mafia - mderg safe TOTAL PRO MOVE FOR SETTING UP SUSPICION THERE

Hf gets lynched flips town - only real scenario where what i did makes sense and would bolster future town reads
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 19:08 GMT
#1388
On June 01 2014 04:03 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Look here's the thing. I don't care what you think of me you need to prove to me why you're not mafia and someone else in your cell is. If people think it's scummy and lynch me so be it but at least reads will be on the table and I'll have a better picture to solve the game by the time the lynch happens and if i do get lynched I'll flip town and people will listen to me and you will get lynched. So prove to me how your reads evolved and why they did for those reasons and then tell me who you think is mafia in your group and why.

The same goes for pretty much everyone else.


I don´t really have to prove to YOU that I´m town. In the end it comes down to proving this to the town member of my cell.


No you absolutely have to prove it to me because everything that happens later in the game can be bussed to look good, can be bolstered to look better etc etc. If you are fully accountable for everything now and prove your townyness now they don't have to read into mafia favoured info later.

I can't see why youre disagreeing with trying to look towny now rofl?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 20:17 GMT
#1392
On June 01 2014 05:02 mtamburini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 03:05 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 02:59 batsnacks wrote:
Holyflare who's mafia in Cell D and E?


cell d i honestly have no clue, obi's only contribution is a terrible case on me when it wasn't even relevant and was bad and he voted mz for "plot holes in his reasoning" but never explained that and wasted time, tambo is just.. like afk all the time and when he returns he goes on bunnies for reasons of fucking rng discussion -.- major useless waste of time, sloosh had a case that i liked but that's the only thing that i liked and other than that he has done absolutely 0 things so really cell d is complete shit

cell e, i like bunnies, she went tryhard on filtering people when it didnt' really need to be done if she was mafia because i'm pretty sure she had good reasons to begin with, she's put in a lot of effort and all that jazz. i already made my reasons for mderg but i wouldn't honestly be surprised if it was layabout because he has also done 0 things


That bunnies read is total horseshit which us just as bad as bullshit. She's a try hard as either alignment.

To say someone wouldn't put that much effort as scum is redonkulous.

My vote is leaning towards HF but I haven't read any filters yet

I'll be back in about 3 hours or so going to watch mls game tfc vs the crew field level seats


And since when have you played enough forum mafia to decide when things are horse shit or not? It's not the effort it's the effort when it didn't need to be done. if you can really say bunnies is mafia over mderg and layabout you honestly have no concept of what's going on in this game at all.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 20:25 GMT
#1394
On June 01 2014 05:20 batsnacks wrote:
Holyflare if it didn't need to be done, what was the motivation for doing it? I don't think town gains anything from her going tryhard on filtering people at the end of the day when 1 person already has the overwhelming majority of votes and no one is showing any signs of switching.


Exactly, which is why it's so unlikely for mafia to do that much effort when the mislynch is pretty much set in stone. Mafia don't generally go to more troible than they need to do which is why it boggles my mind why you say bunnies is the mafia over both mderg who spread his scum read over all 3 people and then voted ritoky for mediocre reasoning or layabout who did....?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 20:45 GMT
#1396
On June 01 2014 05:39 batsnacks wrote:
I think she went tryhard at the end of the day just to look pro town while finishing MZ. The things she chooses to take issue with are really weak a lot of the time, like recent example:

Show nested quote +
On May 31 2014 07:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 31 2014 07:02 mtamburini wrote:
How about those reads you have bunnies? How well did they serve you this round? Probably shouldve RNG'd it at least I know I had a 50% chance of being right now that MZ flipped town.

## STATS


I think my reads are pretty good. If you look at my analysis in each of the three, you can understand where my head is at.

I was obviously wrong, but that still doesnt mean we should have rngd the lynch.

What if you rngd and landed on MZ?

Your rng would have been wrong. Just because you initially rngd the possible mafia, that doesnt make you right.

That makes you 50% likely to be right, now that MZ flipped town.


Her filter dives at the end of day 1 were just repeats of what everyone else was saying at the beginning of the day.


She said every game tambo tries to get her lynched and every game she is town. That would annoy the shit out of me and i would be grated everytime that person posted something accusing me.

Re:steveling golden sun

You still haven't clarified why her putting in a lot of effort to go through filters and say what's already been said (an inevitability of going through a scrutinised filter) makes her mafia over the points i raised on mderg or the lack of anything from layabout.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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May 31 2014 21:04 GMT
#1399
That's not the only point... How about you read his filter and make some conclusions instead?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 31 2014 22:04 GMT
#1403
On June 01 2014 06:17 batsnacks wrote:
I've already read everyone's filter. My conclusion is that bunnies is mafia in Cell E. I understand the points you are trying to make about mderg but bunnies is still scummier to me.

Lets talk about Cell D. You said you honestly have no clue. If Cell D were today and the deadline was now, who would you vote?


Fortunately I'm in a spot where i don't have to do that. So you say bunnies is mafia but only give reasons why she is likely town. So what about layabout?

Sloosh, while i think he's scum that doesn't stop me arguing over points using logic that aren't mathematically sound when the person pushing it says they are.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 00:47 GMT
#1406
On June 01 2014 09:25 mtamburini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 05:45 layabout wrote:
right so ima spend time queued up for wildstar server on this

IamRobiks is my current pick for scum. His posting as a whole is quite strange particularly at the start


So the other 2 are town and voted on the ML on day 1 is what your saying?


You should be giving reads other than bunnies for a while because you are extremely unaccountable for what's happened so far.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 02:18 GMT
#1418
On June 01 2014 10:12 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 07:04 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 06:17 batsnacks wrote:
I've already read everyone's filter. My conclusion is that bunnies is mafia in Cell E. I understand the points you are trying to make about mderg but bunnies is still scummier to me.

Lets talk about Cell D. You said you honestly have no clue. If Cell D were today and the deadline was now, who would you vote?


Fortunately I'm in a spot where i don't have to do that. So you say bunnies is mafia but only give reasons why she is likely town. So what about layabout?

Sloosh, while i think he's scum that doesn't stop me arguing over points using logic that aren't mathematically sound when the person pushing it says they are.


Bolded part are all your words, not mine. Don't give me this crap like "if you can really say bunnies is mafia over mderg and layabout you honestly have no concept of what's going on in this game at all." That's the rhetorical equivalent of you mashing your keyboard because someone disagreed with you. Have a little more respect for people's opinions and why they are expressing them. No one is going to listen to you if you just shit on every opinion that's different from yours. Do you think me calling bunnies scum helps me or scum team at all? It doesn't. I shared that information with you because you told me who you thought was scum. I think bunnies is mafia because even though she says a lot of STUFF, most of the stuff she says is weak, unnecessary, and doesn't move town forward in any positive direction.

And why wouldn't you tell me who you think mafia is in group D? Why is it fortunate that you're in a spot where you "don't have to?" I want to compare my reads with yours.


I've explained why the reasons you posted were more likely to come from a town mindset rather than a scums. At no point did i "shit all over your reads", what is a more likely mafia mindset to you.

Filter diving everyone in a cell when a locked in lynch is going to happen and posting walls of text

Or

Sitting back doing not much and complaining about nothing happening

Or

Sitting back and scum reading everyone and then choosing the non wagon at the end of the day with weak reasoning


If you still think it's 1 your read is fundamentally flawed for finding mafia mindsets and I can't trust it, 2 and 3 are where the scum are and that's mderg and layabout.


I can't give a read on d because they haven't posted anything to get a proper read on.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 02:31 GMT
#1421
The mistake i made with most likely ritoky (i hope) was that i didn't realise he was not a new online mafia player :/
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 02:52 GMT
#1426
On June 01 2014 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
i...bolded the specifics?

._.

fine, ill humor you. youre calling a lot of the posts he has in his filter towny but youre still scumreading him. theres a huge problem with your case if you keep calling someone towny and then vote them anyway.


He's saying one post in his filter is towny? That post is also an easy excuse for mafia to not sheep a read. He says he follows consensus on read for odin without reading and he also scum read mz. If he knew town consensus was on mz then it was very very very likely mz would get bussed so this is a bs excuse to use at the time.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 03:13 GMT
#1431
On June 01 2014 12:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
i...bolded the specifics?

._.

fine, ill humor you. youre calling a lot of the posts he has in his filter towny but youre still scumreading him. theres a huge problem with your case if you keep calling someone towny and then vote them anyway.


He's saying one post in his filter is towny? That post is also an easy excuse for mafia to not sheep a read. He says he follows consensus on read for odin without reading and he also scum read mz. If he knew town consensus was on mz then it was very very very likely mz would get bussed so this is a bs excuse to use at the time.


so robik is actually scum because he didn't want to believe that mz was getting bussed? and then he proceeded to vote odin anyway because his reads changed.

rofl. okay.


Read sloosh post. Votes stacked @5, robik knew consensus was on mz being scum. Nobody else looked like a real candidate. Bussing almost inevitable at that point. 2 cell members join, shouldn't change his read at all because bus very highly likely still.

Robiks only reason for voting odin was the bussing. I made this post in my post of reads today. Also weird posts wave pointed out etc etc.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 03:15 GMT
#1432
He even said he'd vote ritoky if he had to to save mz cz mz so town because of 2 ppl in cell voting -.-
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 03:19 GMT
#1433
Also look at people whose activity spiked around cell A lynch time as they were afk most of the game and see what they wrote.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 03:24 GMT
#1434
Also wave is most likely replacing out of the game which is annoying
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 01 2014 03:30 GMT
#1436
On June 01 2014 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 12:13 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 12:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On June 01 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
i...bolded the specifics?

._.

fine, ill humor you. youre calling a lot of the posts he has in his filter towny but youre still scumreading him. theres a huge problem with your case if you keep calling someone towny and then vote them anyway.


He's saying one post in his filter is towny? That post is also an easy excuse for mafia to not sheep a read. He says he follows consensus on read for odin without reading and he also scum read mz. If he knew town consensus was on mz then it was very very very likely mz would get bussed so this is a bs excuse to use at the time.


so robik is actually scum because he didn't want to believe that mz was getting bussed? and then he proceeded to vote odin anyway because his reads changed.

rofl. okay.


Read sloosh post. Votes stacked @5, robik knew consensus was on mz being scum. Nobody else looked like a real candidate. Bussing almost inevitable at that point. 2 cell members join, shouldn't change his read at all because bus very highly likely still.

Robiks only reason for voting odin was the bussing. I made this post in my post of reads today. Also weird posts wave pointed out etc etc.


how i read your case: "this persons reads shouldnt change because i dont think they shouldve changed because of a thing that happened in the thread."

i guess contextual reads dont exist either.


You are implying he had reads to begin with. Why are you defending robik so much. He had 0 reasons for mz to be town. Absolutely 0, he had said so himself. Consensus was on mz by almost everyone bar 2-3 ppl (a very likely number in a bussing situation) and he had a town read on the person he voted for. His only only only reason for switching is an inevitability that would happen to a caught scum anyway.

Nothing to do with what I think should have happened, it's what is obvious to robik if he actually thought that process was occurring.

If you don't think it's robik then why is it batsnacks?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 03:54 GMT
#1439
On June 01 2014 12:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 12:30 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On June 01 2014 12:13 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 12:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On June 01 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
i...bolded the specifics?

._.

fine, ill humor you. youre calling a lot of the posts he has in his filter towny but youre still scumreading him. theres a huge problem with your case if you keep calling someone towny and then vote them anyway.


He's saying one post in his filter is towny? That post is also an easy excuse for mafia to not sheep a read. He says he follows consensus on read for odin without reading and he also scum read mz. If he knew town consensus was on mz then it was very very very likely mz would get bussed so this is a bs excuse to use at the time.


so robik is actually scum because he didn't want to believe that mz was getting bussed? and then he proceeded to vote odin anyway because his reads changed.

rofl. okay.


Read sloosh post. Votes stacked @5, robik knew consensus was on mz being scum. Nobody else looked like a real candidate. Bussing almost inevitable at that point. 2 cell members join, shouldn't change his read at all because bus very highly likely still.

Robiks only reason for voting odin was the bussing. I made this post in my post of reads today. Also weird posts wave pointed out etc etc.


how i read your case: "this persons reads shouldnt change because i dont think they shouldve changed because of a thing that happened in the thread."

i guess contextual reads dont exist either.


You are implying he had reads to begin with. Why are you defending robik so much. He had 0 reasons for mz to be town. Absolutely 0, he had said so himself. Consensus was on mz by almost everyone bar 2-3 ppl (a very likely number in a bussing situation) and he had a town read on the person he voted for. His only only only reason for switching is an inevitability that would happen to a caught scum anyway.

Nothing to do with what I think should have happened, it's what is obvious to robik if he actually thought that process was occurring.

If you don't think it's robik then why is it batsnacks?


because the reasons people are scumreading him arent really consistent with his posts. he clearly had a reason for why he thought mz was town: the fact that both members of his cell were voting him. he had 0 reasons otherwise, which is something youre misrepresenting in your post.

and the reason im defending him is because i dont think hes scum. lol. what a weird thing to say.

though one thing i think is really funny:

Show nested quote +
If you don't think it's robik then why is it batsnacks?


lol.

##vote: holyflare


Are you really being this obtuse?

I'm saying that's exactly the reason WHY you should be scum reading him. His ONLY reason was that. His mindset is that there is a consensus on mz being scum. His mindset would include bussing as highly likely because if mz was scum he couldn't not be bussed so close to deadlone. His first reaction to people in his cell voting for mz is not bussing, which is where his mindset was, it's that mz is town with 1....ONLY 1 "confirmed" mafia on his lynch. That is not consistent in the slightest.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 03:59 GMT
#1440
Also your vote is a waste of time. You use a "buddying" meta to try and meta me (from cavs meta which is wrong) but then you don't think to assume I'd be friendlier towards people that 2/3 times are likely to be town. The rest of it is based off of page 1-2 in my filter that clearly involved trolling.

I think you're quite likely to be scum in cell d because sloosh is actually asking questions and critically thinking and tamburini is doing things that look like they make sense to him while you are just disputing things that are true and then afking the rest of the time. I haven't seen a read of yours change this game.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 04:00 GMT
#1441
Theres your new answer for cell D batsnacks.
Holyflare
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June 01 2014 04:17 GMT
#1444
On June 01 2014 13:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 12:54 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 12:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On June 01 2014 12:30 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On June 01 2014 12:13 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 12:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On June 01 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote:
On June 01 2014 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
i...bolded the specifics?

._.

fine, ill humor you. youre calling a lot of the posts he has in his filter towny but youre still scumreading him. theres a huge problem with your case if you keep calling someone towny and then vote them anyway.


He's saying one post in his filter is towny? That post is also an easy excuse for mafia to not sheep a read. He says he follows consensus on read for odin without reading and he also scum read mz. If he knew town consensus was on mz then it was very very very likely mz would get bussed so this is a bs excuse to use at the time.


so robik is actually scum because he didn't want to believe that mz was getting bussed? and then he proceeded to vote odin anyway because his reads changed.

rofl. okay.


Read sloosh post. Votes stacked @5, robik knew consensus was on mz being scum. Nobody else looked like a real candidate. Bussing almost inevitable at that point. 2 cell members join, shouldn't change his read at all because bus very highly likely still.

Robiks only reason for voting odin was the bussing. I made this post in my post of reads today. Also weird posts wave pointed out etc etc.


how i read your case: "this persons reads shouldnt change because i dont think they shouldve changed because of a thing that happened in the thread."

i guess contextual reads dont exist either.


You are implying he had reads to begin with. Why are you defending robik so much. He had 0 reasons for mz to be town. Absolutely 0, he had said so himself. Consensus was on mz by almost everyone bar 2-3 ppl (a very likely number in a bussing situation) and he had a town read on the person he voted for. His only only only reason for switching is an inevitability that would happen to a caught scum anyway.

Nothing to do with what I think should have happened, it's what is obvious to robik if he actually thought that process was occurring.

If you don't think it's robik then why is it batsnacks?


because the reasons people are scumreading him arent really consistent with his posts. he clearly had a reason for why he thought mz was town: the fact that both members of his cell were voting him. he had 0 reasons otherwise, which is something youre misrepresenting in your post.

and the reason im defending him is because i dont think hes scum. lol. what a weird thing to say.

though one thing i think is really funny:

If you don't think it's robik then why is it batsnacks?


lol.

##vote: holyflare


Are you really being this obtuse?

I'm saying that's exactly the reason WHY you should be scum reading him. His ONLY reason was that. His mindset is that there is a consensus on mz being scum. His mindset would include bussing as highly likely because if mz was scum he couldn't not be bussed so close to deadline. His first reaction to people in his cell voting for mz is not bussing, which is where his mindset was, it's that mz is town with 1....ONLY 1 "confirmed" mafia on his lynch. That is not consistent in the slightest.



robik should probably post his own defense.

and for the record, i find your logic for voting robik exceedingly thin.


So robik was town to you, that means that batsnacks and me are mafia. If the towny response (by robik you say) was to not vote mz. Why was your vote on mz?

You also cannot complain to me about thin logic.

Reason for voting ritoky mayor:

On May 28 2014 14:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
this ritoky guy has spunk.

##vote: ritoky



Reason for voting mz:
On May 30 2014 12:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 12:44 Holyflare wrote:
damn you found me plz dotn post teh best case ever people will know im mafia


no dice.

also the scum in cell a is meapak and ill get to that when i get the chance.

ive got this guy by poe and because of the plot hole spackle he has in his reads


Even though you said nothing about town reading odin at that point and did not explain the plot hole situation at all.

You even defend robik by saying so town cz moved off mz for no bus reasons after saying:

bussing is likely though.


And seeing poofter (someone who plays a shit tonne with robik) say:
On May 31 2014 06:12 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2014 06:00 IAmRobik wrote:
On May 31 2014 05:51 batsnacks wrote:
On May 31 2014 05:49 IAmRobik wrote:
Did I not words?

I would vote Odin over Ritoky, but if it were between MZ and Ritoky, I would vote Ritoky to save MZ.



Okay what about if it could be any of the three and your vote was the only one that mattered?

If it was a regular mafia game with no additional information, I'd vote MZ today.



You know full and we'll the meta in cell mafia is try for ML but bus the obv scum. Your posting activity makes me think you're town but your logic and content makes me think you're scum.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 04:21 GMT
#1445
Ebwop: You even defend robik by saying he is so town cz he moved off mz for "no bussing is happening he's town!" reasons after saying:
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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June 01 2014 16:28 GMT
#1461
On June 02 2014 00:12 mtamburini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2014 23:22 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 01 2014 22:56 mtamburini wrote:
Bunnies you think HF is town I think Robik is town. What's your opinion on bats


Just semi skimming his filter (because I have work in thirty mins and woke up late) i actually like him/ not like him

There's some points that actually make sense.

So when he was running for mayor, he didn't want ritoky's cell to go first due to he thought there was too much momentum going against odin right now, i agree with this, but im not sure if we have same reasons.

If odin was mafia, bat could have proposed cell A going differently because he wanted to get pressure off of his mafia partner, and give him more time to seem townie.

If ritoky was mafia, batsnacks as town would have done town a favor.

So two scenerios i see there.

I didnt like how he placed his cell first, when i feel like there was less info on them as well.



Now, the thing i dont like about you asking this, is just because you are viewing robik as town, doesnt mean i am, so why focus on batsnacks? Why not ask for my read on robik, too?

And you never mentioned your read on holyflare, so why not ask what my read is on him? Or give your own read?

What's your view on holyflare, robik, and bat?


If I can trust you and you can trust me on the town read we have on one person in the cell it's simply Poe.

I do feel that if you are town you've allowed HF to pocket you due to the fact of my excessive tunnel of you which makes me think he is more scum then bat.


The only thing you've really done this entire game is tunnel bunnies for similar reactions that she had in golden sun (which again you did really not much in) so yes, I told you to stop tunneling on:

A) a person who i think is town
B) someone who is in the last cell

It's my cell today and only 1/3 (2 at a stretch) people are trying to solve the game in this cell while everybody else twiddles their thumbs or afk's. You need to be commenting on why you think people other than bunnies are mafia because if "hf is pocketing bunnies" like you imply then you've spent the entirety of your filter tunneling someone who is town and wasting time.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 16:45 GMT
#1463
On June 02 2014 01:33 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 01:28 Holyflare wrote:
On June 02 2014 00:12 mtamburini wrote:
On June 01 2014 23:22 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 01 2014 22:56 mtamburini wrote:
Bunnies you think HF is town I think Robik is town. What's your opinion on bats


Just semi skimming his filter (because I have work in thirty mins and woke up late) i actually like him/ not like him

There's some points that actually make sense.

So when he was running for mayor, he didn't want ritoky's cell to go first due to he thought there was too much momentum going against odin right now, i agree with this, but im not sure if we have same reasons.

If odin was mafia, bat could have proposed cell A going differently because he wanted to get pressure off of his mafia partner, and give him more time to seem townie.

If ritoky was mafia, batsnacks as town would have done town a favor.

So two scenerios i see there.

I didnt like how he placed his cell first, when i feel like there was less info on them as well.



Now, the thing i dont like about you asking this, is just because you are viewing robik as town, doesnt mean i am, so why focus on batsnacks? Why not ask for my read on robik, too?

And you never mentioned your read on holyflare, so why not ask what my read is on him? Or give your own read?

What's your view on holyflare, robik, and bat?


If I can trust you and you can trust me on the town read we have on one person in the cell it's simply Poe.

I do feel that if you are town you've allowed HF to pocket you due to the fact of my excessive tunnel of you which makes me think he is more scum then bat.


The only thing you've really done this entire game is tunnel bunnies for similar reactions that she had in golden sun (which again you did really not much in) so yes, I told you to stop tunneling on:

A) a person who i think is town
B) someone who is in the last cell

It's my cell today and only 1/3 (2 at a stretch) people are trying to solve the game in this cell while everybody else twiddles their thumbs or afk's. You need to be commenting on why you think people other than bunnies are mafia because if "hf is pocketing bunnies" like you imply then you've spent the entirety of your filter tunneling someone who is town and wasting time.


I'm getting tired of these dumb passive aggressive comments you make all the time. Half of your 50 page filter is probably bitching about how you're the only person trying.


I'm sorry what? The last time i saw you do anythong was day 1. The only thing you've done today is ask people for their reads on cell d and e and talk about your policy of putting mayor cells first. You disputed a bunnies read for points that most likely make her town and then completely overlook the fact that layabout said he was playing like mafia all game abd don't even want to question mderg.

You don't try and figure out who is mafia in our cell, the only thing you are doing at an attempt is to ask robik some useless question that you answered in your own post "you'd vote mz if it wasn't for me right?!"

I've yet to see any real analysis about things like your day 1 post at all abd it's very easy for you to skate by doing the things you are doing. I do not care if you don't like my passi e aggressiveness because that stems from the futility of me putting in effort to a game where people signed up with the disclaimer of being active and then fucked off for the entire game.


On May 30 2014 13:07 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 13:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On May 30 2014 13:03 Holyflare wrote:
Also at this point in time palmar is pretty much confirmed mafia.


What makes you think so?


He's playing in your other game. He has no interest in this game whatsoever, he says he won't play the mayor bit but then never returns. He's usually pretty trolly as town who isn't playing but he isn't even that here (his tambo thing was just shitty and atypical palmar troll). He most likely won't start playing till late tomorrow or even at my cells lynch and then try and control the pace of the game after I'm dead.


You absolutely lynch palmar tomorrow no matter what he says or how much effort he puts in. He has been completely useless this entire game and is mafia. You lynch robik today becquse shiaopi did nothing abd had accusations based on nothing and robik has equally done nothing. I can probably see tambo being town but i still don't know, it's very likely smurf in that cell because of what he was doing earlier. If it ever gets to the last cell you choose between layabout and mderg and don't even think about bunnies
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 17:22 GMT
#1471
On June 02 2014 01:58 batsnacks wrote:
Most of your filter is about activity. Everything you said in that post above me is about activity. All of your logic seems to stem from how active people are playing and you don't consider anything else. If someone is active, then by your logic they are automatically more townie than someone who is playing less active. You have the highest activity in this game, therefore you are the towniest person in this game, by your logic.


It's really not.

Palmar is partly activity based yes, moreso because i got a town read on poofter and more of a town read on wave from his posting at the mz lynch.

Robik isn't activity based at all. It's a read based on shiaopi's posting of surface level reads that weren't actually true and then on top of that robik's posts about bussing when he has played cell mafia before and knows bussing is a major thing that happens (poofter pointed this out)

Cell D is ridiculous because of the lack of activity. Sloosh posted 1 case i liked and hasnt really done anything but when he is around he interacts a bit, although very limited. Smurf hasn't changed his reads ever and made a bad case and then complained about flimsy logic when, as I pointed out, he hadn't used logic this entire game. Tambo is tunneling on 1 person who i think is town based on her responses (that align with her attitude last game) and her willingness to do things when not needed, no matter how weak you say they were (they weren't really weak at all, you still haven't explained why they are) but he is actually posting things which show some kind of critical thinking albeit in a weird newbie forum mafia kind of way (associations/omgus cases).

Bunnies is very towny. Layabout lived up to his name and did nothing really, he even queried last page why nobody picked up on him for playing like scum which is actually quite a towny observation out of the blue and he said something small about odin day 1 "what scummy things has he done" which was really succinct and a good thing to point out. Mderg has spread suspicion on every player that is up for lynch in every cell and then picked the one that wasn't the main ml for lackluster reasons and scum reads people for reasons he town reads others for.


So no, almost none of it is activity based thanks, and it's pretty obvious you have no idea. Try again.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 18:07 GMT
#1477
##vote draw/endgame

-.-


2 replaces, 1 remove/replace, many afkers afting signing up to a game with a disclaimer from the host:


On May 05 2014 03:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd like to request that players who sign up are willing to put in the time to play this game. Don't sign up unless you know you can commit a decent amount of time to the game. There's little downtime in this game compared to others due to there being no nights. The thread can get quite big.



Get me out of here.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 18:19 GMT
#1491
On June 02 2014 03:10 Palmar wrote:
Also how sure are you it's robik and not batsnacks?


I honestly have no idea anymore. I'd say robik because of his actions at mz lynch and general lack of reading anything/inconsistent reads.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 18:27 GMT
#1502
On June 02 2014 03:25 Palmar wrote:
Also please link me the posts you want me too read holyflare. I'm going to make a snap judgment on your alignment based on them so it's in your benefit as either alignment to do it


I'd rather you vote me to end the game quicker
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 18:28 GMT
#1505
On June 02 2014 03:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 03:27 Holyflare wrote:
On June 02 2014 03:25 Palmar wrote:
Also please link me the posts you want me too read holyflare. I'm going to make a snap judgment on your alignment based on them so it's in your benefit as either alignment to do it


I'd rather you vote me to end the game quicker


the game ends for you in a couple hours regardless of how we lynch, so at least try to get it right.


No it doesn't because I'll still be reading.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 18:32 GMT
#1509
On June 02 2014 03:30 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 03:27 Holyflare wrote:
On June 02 2014 03:25 Palmar wrote:
Also please link me the posts you want me too read holyflare. I'm going to make a snap judgment on your alignment based on them so it's in your benefit as either alignment to do it


I'd rather you vote me to end the game quicker


The game will be over as far as you're concerned tonight anyway what kind of a shit martyr play is this.


I'm tired of you being lazy and i don't care if you're town because you are genuinely one of the players that has made this game so unemployable so do your own fucking work.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 18:32 GMT
#1511
Unenjoyable*
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 18:37 GMT
#1516
On June 02 2014 03:36 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
On June 02 2014 03:30 Palmar wrote:
On June 02 2014 03:27 Holyflare wrote:
On June 02 2014 03:25 Palmar wrote:
Also please link me the posts you want me too read holyflare. I'm going to make a snap judgment on your alignment based on them so it's in your benefit as either alignment to do it


I'd rather you vote me to end the game quicker


The game will be over as far as you're concerned tonight anyway what kind of a shit martyr play is this.


I'm tired of you being lazy and i don't care if you're town because you are genuinely one of the players that has made this game so unemployable so do your own fucking work.

Only one of us was voting a townie yesterday and it wasn't me. Don't cry because I don't need 20 pages of filter to get shit done


Funny how you're so sure you weren't voting a towny either isn't it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 18:45 GMT
#1521
Yeh well that's not a problem when the the first townie couldn't be bothered to respond to anything, i don't care about ending this game sooner, and town should absolutely lynch you regardless of alignment
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 18:45 GMT
#1523
And if ritokys gg post is even alignment indicative in the slightest this game is made even more redundant
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 18:51 GMT
#1525
On June 02 2014 03:49 batsnacks wrote:
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On June 02 2014 03:45 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh well that's not a problem when the the first townie couldn't be bothered to respond to anything, i don't care about ending this game sooner, and town should absolutely lynch you regardless of alignment


I don't agree with that last part.


Don't really care.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 18:53 GMT
#1527
Look if you're mafia you should vote me. If you're town you should vote endgame/draw or just vote me to end the game sooner. Just make sure you lynch palnar afterwards. Waiting till day to even start speaking about things happening in the game is inexcusable.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 18:53 GMT
#1528
On June 02 2014 03:52 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 03:51 Holyflare wrote:
On June 02 2014 03:49 batsnacks wrote:
On June 02 2014 03:45 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh well that's not a problem when the the first townie couldn't be bothered to respond to anything, i don't care about ending this game sooner, and town should absolutely lynch you regardless of alignment


I don't agree with that last part.


Don't really care.


Cared enough to comment.


No i cared enough to inform you that i don't value your opinion on this matter.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 18:54 GMT
#1529
Waiting till day 3*
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 19:00 GMT
#1533
On June 02 2014 03:57 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 03:53 Holyflare wrote:
On June 02 2014 03:52 batsnacks wrote:
On June 02 2014 03:51 Holyflare wrote:
On June 02 2014 03:49 batsnacks wrote:
On June 02 2014 03:45 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh well that's not a problem when the the first townie couldn't be bothered to respond to anything, i don't care about ending this game sooner, and town should absolutely lynch you regardless of alignment


I don't agree with that last part.


Don't really care.


Cared enough to comment.


No i cared enough to inform you that i don't value your opinion on this matter.


"i cared" - Holyflare

Also you say if I'm mafia I should vote you. You say if I'm town I should vote you.

Right now I just want to vote the people that would make me the maddest if they won as mafia. That would be you, Palmar, sloosh, and bunnies.


So really 2/4 of your targets are based on activity! Oh the irony!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 19:02 GMT
#1535
On June 02 2014 04:02 batsnacks wrote:
No 4/4 of my targets are based on me not wanting them to win as mafia.


And for what reason do you not want sloosh /palmar to not win as mafia?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 19:34 GMT
#1542
On June 02 2014 04:29 Palmar wrote:
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On June 02 2014 03:53 Holyflare wrote:
Look if you're mafia you should vote me. If you're town you should vote endgame/draw or just vote me to end the game sooner. Just make sure you lynch palnar afterwards. Waiting till day to even start speaking about things happening in the game is inexcusable.


You've seen multiple players do it over the course of mafia and you not always autolynch them. You're mad because my slot has my name attached to it.


Because i hold you to a higher standard than that and you were in the last cell mafia where the game was literally shit and ended day 2 because of afking.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 19:41 GMT
#1545
On June 02 2014 04:36 Palmar wrote:
To be honest, HF really has to be mafia, and he's playing against his win condition as either alignment. I hope he gets at least a warning for this.

If he wants to martyr we should kill him. It's annoying as fuck and it's terrible and selfish play by him. Requesting to be lynched is about as low as it gets and I'm surprised HF goes that low. I honestly hope he's mafia because it's so fucking ironic that he's complaining about other players not putting in effort while deliberately trying to throw the game himself, no matter his alignment.

Like he's by far the worst offender here.


Yeh I've spent 3 days trying to win this game only for you to tell me to shape up. I will most definitely be following up on YOUR warning when you agreed by /in this game to be active as laid out by the host.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 19:51 GMT
#1548
It's nothing to do with being a town leader. You have not participated in this game whatsoever. You even made posts saying "it's so hard to play this game when you haven't read it" and "not going to play till after mayor day" (even though you didn't do this still). You ACTIVELY didn't play the game.

This game is entirely different from ver's game because vers game is a normal mafia game with normal mechanics and vig shots to get rid of lurkers. This game REQUIRES you to be active because each day a group of 3 people are required to give reads on others by virtue of their game play. Which you have none. Cell D is equally bad albeit not a total failure of playing like you have done and cell E is actually okish to make reads on. That's 1 cell being active. Even in my cell a guy is out for the entirety of the weekend so he is now effectively useless at being read if he's town and the other guy is at least trying to do something but likes to just point out things that don't make sense and get angry at passive aggressiveness rather than formulate reads like he did day 1.

It's the reason that you were mafia in cell 1 that if you were town this game you know you HAVE to be active. Mafia won so easily last time because people were just not around in the slightest and mafia could just post with no rebuttle. For you to then come back after doing nothing and tell me this is shit play and i should get warnd is a fucking joke and i really do hope this game ends right now to avoid further punishment for anyone other than you.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 19:53 GMT
#1552
On June 02 2014 04:48 Palmar wrote:
So how about you fucking stop acting like a spoiled child because you don't get to control how people play the game, and instead try to convince me and the rest of town to vote someone that isn't you.

It's actually sort of likely that mafia just lost a vote, I feel like WoS was the most likely to be mafia in my cell, so they might have only 3 votes to work with today. Giving up now is just shit.


Fuck off, do your own work. Read my filter and decide yourself. I'm just not going to post in this game anymore.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 20:35 GMT
#1565
On February 19 2014 17:09 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 14:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man im sorry for not playing the game as well as I couldve but we wouldve lost eventually.

Why did scum let holyflare get so close to being lynched? I think that helped tremendously for the scumteam.


We knew I could swing the vote but I decided to drag it on as long as possible for more town cred which played out pretty well. Also, I didn't fake that anger at palmar etc, I was genuinely annoyed that nobody was discussing anything but still voting when people gave no reasoning, hence why it seemed genuine.


Quote from survivor end game. What a dishonest reasoning palmar is pushing rather than "just being annoyed".
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 20:36 GMT
#1566
Either way. Please vote me. So that you know how dishonest he is being and will actually lynch him. Read his filter and actually look at the "content" it's 3 pages of him trolling odin and posting nothing and then a page of complaining about what i said.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 20:53 GMT
#1574
##unvote
##vote batsnacks


Not saying shit about 2 leading wagons. Only questions today to solve our alignments were useless ones already answered. Switch gives info for you guys later.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:15 GMT
#1592
Read golden sun and bunnies filter. It's very similar.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:22 GMT
#1599
On June 02 2014 06:18 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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On June 02 2014 06:16 layabout wrote:
IF THIS LYNCH FAILS MAFIA 95 TIMES OUT OF 100 WILL WIN AND ALL BATSNACKS IS DOING IS TUNNELING AND ARGUING WITH NINJABUNNIES

BATSNACK'S PRIORITIES ARE NOT TOWN ONES


Batsnacks read on holyflare has to do with me, so it would make sense that he is questioning me, and i view him townie for it.

I think you are wrong.


Does batsnacks look like he's trying to figure me out via you or does he just look like he is pointing things out which you do as town every game, which I've told him repeatedly. Does he try and figure me or robik out? He even said robik was most likely the mafia here but is voting me. Every point made against him or others he just calls "passive aggressive" and doesn't comment on anything that was said in it at all. I was his town read earlier and he was still doing that.

On June 02 2014 06:19 slOosh wrote:
Wait why are people voting holyflare? Why would scum get pissed off at inactivity?


Because palmar said so rofl.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:28 GMT
#1607
On June 02 2014 06:23 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2014 06:19 slOosh wrote:
Wait why are people voting holyflare? Why would scum get pissed off at inactivity?

What the fuck kind of logic is this. Holyflare was raging at inactivity as scum in that game where he did this shit before.

Lynch him
On June 02 2014 05:35 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2014 17:09 Holyflare wrote:
On February 19 2014 14:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man im sorry for not playing the game as well as I couldve but we wouldve lost eventually.

Why did scum let holyflare get so close to being lynched? I think that helped tremendously for the scumteam.


We knew I could swing the vote but I decided to drag it on as long as possible for more town cred which played out pretty well. Also, I didn't fake that anger at palmar etc, I was genuinely annoyed that nobody was discussing anything but still voting when people gave no reasoning, hence why it seemed genuine.


Quote from survivor end game. What a dishonest reasoning palmar is pushing rather than "just being annoyed".

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:31 GMT
#1609
Obi vote on me really weird btw look at that later
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:36 GMT
#1615
If wave and poofter and robik are town then it's 4 mafia and 5 town vs 4 mafia which is kinda ridiculous.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:39 GMT
#1620
On June 02 2014 06:38 Palmar wrote:
batsnacks who's mafia in your cell and who's mafia in future cells.

BTW batsnacks is 100% not mafia. If it's not HF it's robik. batsnacks realized I'm town and it makes no sense to do that if he's mafia.

Trust me, lynch HF, if it's not him, it's Robik.


You said it's 100% me don't start squirming out now.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:46 GMT
#1637
So this is what we do to weed out the bs voters

##unvote
##vote robik
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:47 GMT
#1639
Not accepting the mderg switch after afk all day. Town read bunnies and 2 cell ppl joined bat when they coulda voted robik. Mderg no reason for bat. Etc etc
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:48 GMT
#1643
Vote robik, vote palmar, vote obi he fucked off, vote mderg
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:50 GMT
#1645
And now the scummy ppl afk for the mislynch, gg
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:52 GMT
#1648
Vote for robik. Do it. Layabout get back here.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:52 GMT
#1649
Batsnacks vote robik to save yourself.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:54 GMT
#1653
I'm not dying and I'm not mafia. Why aren't you switching to save batsnacks if he's so town because the batsnacks wagon will be telling.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:56 GMT
#1659
On June 02 2014 06:55 batsnacks wrote:
Holyflare I still think you're scum this is just to save myself


So you want to save yourself as town to vote for someone you think is town? Rofl
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:58 GMT
#1665
##unvote
##vote batsnacks


What i just said..
Layabout didn't switch. He's probably mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:59 GMT
#1669
##unvote
##vote robik


Just cz
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 21:59 GMT
#1672
I am 100% tow so don't listen to palmar, lynch that fucker
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 22:03 GMT
#1683
The day is over stop posting
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 22:03 GMT
#1685
Gg....
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 01 2014 22:04 GMT
#1687
/obs
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 04 2014 04:11 GMT
#1925
Scrap mayor have majority decided cell day by day + lynch
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 04 2014 13:05 GMT
#1930
On June 04 2014 21:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Batsnacks, that's what I was planning.
HF, that'd have an even bigger focus on the order with a vote on it each day. Don't think that'd be good.


You need it because some ppl become unlynchable amd just afk
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