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On May 05 2014 09:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Well then better not afk! afking is BEST strategy if scum, then town fight between themselves if town, come in whenever and prove hardcore town at later point in time | ||
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On May 12 2014 14:33 27ninjabunnies wrote: Alright. I'm /in this game! Let's go boys!!! gggg | ||
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On May 14 2014 05:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Thanks! Looked interesting and it seems like people enjoyed the setup. Glad to hear it. i actually prefer it on video :D maybe i'm just salty because of last game | ||
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On May 14 2014 06:53 27ninjabunnies wrote: It was interesting on video!!! What happened last game? Someone got himself modkilled and claimed mafia as town while doing it drunk. Loads of people afkd which made it impossible to figure out some cells and some other towny got afk modkilled :p | ||
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On May 14 2014 15:06 WaveofShadow wrote: lol HF what happened on video mafia tonight? I went to the stream after it was done at people were bitching at ryuzilla that the games were shitty/trolly and your name came up lol what did i do? x_x i dunno, im pretty nooby at video mafia till i get more exp but i think my reads are pretty legit | ||
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On May 16 2014 08:38 thrawn2112 wrote: is this a fun setup? pretty good yeh as long as no afkers | ||
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On May 16 2014 13:37 geript wrote: I would play, but I really loathe this format. Hope it fills up though, because I know a number of people who absolutely love this format. Just play bro | ||
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On May 17 2014 01:29 Amiko wrote: /obs I have been watching the twitch video you put up, but only like 30 minutes or an hour a day so I'm still just starting d3 it seems like it would be neat LYLO practice, though it's still hard for me to see too much strategy behind picking the mayor... if you pick a mafia they can fuck shit up | ||
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On May 27 2014 06:17 27ninjabunnies wrote: Are smurf accounts bad? annoying more than anything | ||
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On May 27 2014 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Alright boys, we're starting at Tuesday, May 27 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Sending confirmation mails to everyone that signed up as signups have been going on for a while. totes should do today | ||
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On May 27 2014 06:40 layabout wrote: EU,.... Friendly? everything i thought i knew was a lie. well he's dutch | ||
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On May 27 2014 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Alright boys, we're starting at Tuesday, May 27 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Sending confirmation mails to everyone that signed up as signups have been going on for a while. On May 27 2014 06:59 Tehpoofter wrote: That is quitter attitude Tamburini. I think we can both pull off a fake claim this game. Also the Time on TL always fucks with my head wtb american time. In all honesty though when is deadline time in U.S. Central time? (or eastern pacific. I'm not sure how UTC converts or what it stands for) this is using the [date] timestamp and should be auto in your timezone if you've set it correctly in your profile | ||
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VOTE HOLYFLARE FOR MAYOR
If you answered yes to any of those questions then I am the man for you. If you click my profile you will see that I have an enormous amount of wins in a row. This is purely because of the fact that i'm good. If I'm mafia i'll be bussing and you should be getting free points regardless. I love to bus and this setup is majorly favoured for that. If I'm town I'll be right anyway so what have you got to lose? It's win/win for everybody! Everybody but scum that is. We hate those scum. Not only that but I've already crumbed my role in this post. Is it not obvious? I'm green. Green is the colour of town. I am town. You should love to follow someone who is good and is town. So, naturally, you should follow me. Follow me to victory that is. Who likes winning? I do! In a recent survey of everyone on this planet, people had the following things to say about my mafia abilities: Do you SEE THAT? I'm a team-player, a proactive problem-solver! Most importantly, I am hard. I am so very aroused at the mere idea of winning that it's simply the only thing I can do. Will you join me? Will you, too, feel this hard? A vote for me is a vote for winning. ##Vote Holyflare | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:06 ShiaoPi wrote: so holyflare, if you were mayor, how would you arrange the cells? Here's the thing. As your future mayor I know what people want. People want to be listened to, to be acknowledged. As a man elected by the people I am a servant of the people. I will follow the whim of the majority for that is the honourable leader that I am. | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:10 ShiaoPi wrote: so you basically do not have a clue and just want to snag the mayor? Not happening. How about you fill your campaign with some more substance Fail to plan, plan to fail. That's the motto most live by. I am not most. I foresee that a pre-emptive plan will be useless in a game such as this. While I am your future mayor, I am not omniscient! It is with this in mind that we play out the day like any other, we make reads and collect data. TOGETHER we shall bring peace to this mafia ridden town and recover from the travesty of Cell 1.0. This is a democracy. I am just a pretty face for the people. | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:14 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not joking around. I will go to any lengths necessary to make sure HF gets no more power than he absolutely must have as I cannot trust him even slightly. Obviously even if scum get mayor it's not the biggest advantage but if there's someone who could use it to his advantage as scum it's. HF. And I'm not taking that chance. As far as 'best use' of mayor role, I didn't play in the last one but I would assume you remove the 'don't ant this group at LYLO' types first? What was the past mayoral strategy? I see that you will be a thorn in my election. That being said, I do not mind your aprehension, it is justified! However, I stake my reputation on this game, I will not make this another loss like last time! I will divulge to you the secrets of this game. There are several approaches you can take: A) The first lynches will be the ones you think are fairly obvious and will net town a few points. B) The first 1 or 2 lynches will be coinflippy as you get rid of useless points of contention. I suggest going with A) with the caveat that you let the talkers stay in the game to figure it out and not leave the weakest people till last. | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:19 ShiaoPi wrote: Why would a plan or an idea on how to arrange the order fail in the first hand? Currently your campaign is just: "Make me mayor, cause Holyflare" Why should any of us trust you? If you make a plan now based on no information you do not know what is going to happen or not. There might be really obvious lynches that we'd want to go first that we just don't know about until people have started talking. There is no possible way to make a good plan just based on the list of names alone. | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:19 ShiaoPi wrote: ninja'ed Why not say you want to go with something like A) in the first place then? Well i'm town so as long as I get it nobody can ninja it and fuck up on a pre-determined order like last game (even though rayn was town.... dick) | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:09 27ninjabunnies wrote: 27ninjabunnies here reporting live in cell mafia game. Things are getting pretty interesting as Holyflare makes it known early he wants to be mayor. There are no opposition yet to holyflare's candidacy for mayor. Holyflare: Why do you think that you would make the best mayor for town? And how hard do you have to be in order to win for town? Simply because I do not care to mess with such trivialities as lynch orders when I could be discovering who is mafia! I will listen to what everyone else thinks and we'll make an informed decision based on what everyone has posted. I am always at maximum hardness which is why I always win. | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:23 ShiaoPi wrote: Not answering my question there HF because I just wanted to be funny :'( | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:31 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm fine with rng mayor tbh, so long as it doesn't become a point of contention for the entire day. HF can you explain what the strategy was for mayor last time? Exactly the strategy i outlined in A). We wanted to get the most points for town as possible so we wouldn't fuck it up later so we were organising it by getting mafia reads and collectively deciding. | ||
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i thought the game started an hour earlier so i turned up and had nothing to do and already had my role pm so was like fuck it may as well make a pretty post and I always run for mayor | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:43 WaveofShadow wrote: I dunno I'm getting pricklies about Shiao but it's early. Also that's not even remotely how dick move analysis was supposed to work. I am using my penis to analyse everything. Either way, we got our pm's substantially before the game started. Gonna wifom it and say that mafia cba to appear at start of deadline compared to someone who is looking forward to playing and is town. | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:54 WaveofShadow wrote: You know very well that either of us would as scum. yes but i'm ignoring you and i know i'm town so that didn't really factor into any equation whatsoever did it? | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm posting this just so everyone knows where I'm at right now hahahahaa | ||
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because you'd be happy to play mafia | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:00 WaveofShadow wrote: And you say you're not but you still try just as hard as if you are. Not to mention you don't know much about a great deal of the people in here so how can you know they're not excited or are good at scum so sad to want to begin posting right away? AND ALSO if I'm happy to play scum and here I am, am I scum? lol wth? I said it was a silly analysis anyway :o why would i need to analyse myself haha??? AND i said i'm ignoring you for that very reason!!! i know a lot of people here are new and playing scum is pretty meh when you're just starting out and are against me so they'd be afraid and not as happy as most people have shown here, some people have even told me they are scared of playing as mafia etc but way to blow it out of proportion! | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:00 27ninjabunnies wrote: Yeah, no one from my cell are here yet, so idk what to think about them. Also HF never answered my question about getting weaker players out of the game, and whom he thought were the weaker players. i never said to get rid of weaker players | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol 'against me' plz. If they're new they don't give a shit about you. Not to mention many of the players aren't new to mafia, just new to T l mafia. And I still don't understand what you mean by you're ignoring me then. You mean you're simply excluding me from your heuristic because I don't apply, or because you think it makes me scum? because quite obviously like i said, it doesn't apply to you? why you so mad bro | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:10 27ninjabunnies wrote: Oh really? That looks like you are talking about putting weaker players first and getting rid of them. well i meant the inverse of the non-talky people, aka the people with less mafia experience | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:26 WaveofShadow wrote: K now that I've actually properly looked at the other cells than mine, D/E are gonna be shit to figure out. Wave dropping the bomb that I'm already town. How do you like dem apples. | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:16 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay? And those would be? I believe we all have quite a bit of mafia experience. A lot of forum mafia experience. So me, wave/palmar, mz etc. | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Meh, not really. Mayoral role is mostly useless in this setup, but thanks for playing! So, we lynching Plammar? if it's useless why are you so against me having it | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:50 ritoky wrote: I just looked at where HF is from, and this is a MUST know question! HF are you from the land of King George III (aka King Thrawn III) or the land of Winston Churchill? This is crucial in determining your fate. they're the same land -.- | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:53 Tehpoofter wrote: Not tamburini. He comes in with that RNG bs and doesn't even fake claim like we talked about in pregame. He also I would think feels his reads are better than RNG maybe its just a troll but still. He is a no-no. @HF say you couldn't run for mayor cause you are from the wrong country. Who would you elect out of the rest of us based on nothing in the game just general strategy reasons? 1. 27ninjabunnies 2. Tehpoofter 3. mtamburini 4. mderg 5. Palmar 6. thrawn2112 7. slOosh 8. ShiaoPi 9. batsnacks 10. ritoky 11. WaveofShadow 12. Meapak_Ziphh 13. layabout 14. Holyflare 15. ObiWanShinobi | ||
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On May 28 2014 09:12 27ninjabunnies wrote: Geeze what state are you from? Cause im pretty sure you are completely wrong here. In england women aren't even allowed to vote. | ||
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On May 28 2014 09:17 27ninjabunnies wrote: I think order is important based off of reads and ability to play. I also think who elected is important too. If mafia get mayor, they can easily choose the order in which they think likely mislynches can go, and put their stronger mafia players towards the end. That's why holyflare (regardless of me say his cat was cute) is a little iffy to me cause he wanted to get the weaker, less experienced players out of the way, while leaving the more experienced players around. Order can go in favor for both town or mafia, depending on who mayor is and the way the order is, if that makes sense. I like WOS out of your group. You i'm a little iffy on, but you have been talking, and asking questions. I think you are a bit trolly tbh, which im not sure what it is indicative of in your forum play. The meta thing on palmer is a little weird, as i dont know palmer's meta. Also, palmer not wanting to participate in mayor discussion seems a little scummy to me, so in order of scum for your cell id go Palmer, You, WOS. The post right after host says day begins for tamburini's cell, Im voting for him. Why? Because why not. I think you'll recall i said i wanted to get the easy town points in the bag first | ||
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On May 28 2014 09:19 27ninjabunnies wrote: What? Blasphemy. But you're wrong. Women got the right to vote in England in the early 1900s Tbh, im 20 and not even registered to vote yet. I should get on that. This is not true. It's a conspiracy to subdue the women, we put genders on our voting forms for "statistical benefit" but the real secret is that we just throw the womens votes in the bin. True freedom. http://imgur.com/kdgDGNR get added to my list, stop being poopy people! | ||
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i answer all his questions pretty well and often and then he just asks more and more which I still answer and he doesn't comment on any of them and then fecks off calling me mafia for answering questions too slow lol :DDD | ||
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On May 28 2014 09:37 Tehpoofter wrote: @HF how much the same/different do you think the meta for mafia will be in forum vs what it was in video? Please don't describer the meta just go with same or different. like 80% different | ||
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On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote: In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already. The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews). Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B. The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk. welcome to the select group of The Town Pile™ | ||
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On May 28 2014 09:51 ritoky wrote: Now, I know that I should be here to further the goals of freedom, but unfortunately I just got a call from my brother at the vet that my dog who has been sick for the last week is going to have to be put down. So I am going to have to go there to say goodbye to him. I will be taking a couple hour hiatus, I hope you can understand that even the greatest of warriors have soft spots in their heart. Remember, that freedom must prevail. At least he will now experience true freedom! take as much time as you want | ||
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On May 28 2014 11:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote: /obs Or should I pm a host? should be pming | ||
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On May 28 2014 10:25 layabout wrote: i am not voting for a pro-murican don't elect bunnies or mderg ima read cell 1 l8rs best post | ||
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On May 28 2014 11:20 27ninjabunnies wrote: You only think its the best post because of what i bolded... And the fact he's from the UK pretty much, what's your point? | ||
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On May 28 2014 11:31 slOosh wrote: We should lynch into the clearest read cells first. We win by hitting 3 scum - this game plays out more like Resistance than traditional mafia. Doesn't matter what quality of players we have at the end. Hitting scum early is best. That said I think Cell A or B should be first - probably B due to higher activity. Then C, E, D. ritoky is most sensible for coming up with a similar plan before me. ##Vote: ritoky So do you have an opinion on these cells players then? Seeing as ritoky's plan is most similar to yours and his was based off of a lot of reads, do yours add up to his? | ||
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On May 28 2014 11:45 Tehpoofter wrote: who was your 2nd after Palmer? I'm assuming thrawn because of you town reading ritoky/Mz but just making sure. I am not sold on MZ he buddied up really fast to ritoky who vomited town all over the thread. But he had the early post about RNG that sounded town and the fact thrawn for all we know could be in the thread he never posts so reading him is difficult. I'm way more certain on Palmer though. if thrawn doesn't play he's most likely mafia | ||
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That said I think Cell A or B should be first - probably B due to higher activity. Then C, E, D. ritoky is most sensible for coming up with a similar plan before me. How can you even have a plan if it has nothing to do with reads? You like ritoky's plan but his is based on reads. If you like his plan you therefore must agree with his reads? | ||
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On May 28 2014 11:51 Tehpoofter wrote: His scum play in Golden Sun was not much different to his town play in my eyes so we will see when he shows up, I feel like if I feel like I do about this cell right now as I do when they come time to vote I'll vote thrawn. What you think of ObiWan? Do you really like layabout? I get this odd feeling they both came into the thread upset or something maybe because we already caught Palmer and the noose is tightening around people like thrawn/Shaopi and tambo. It's very different he's a lot more active and conversational as town. Golden sun is an example of him posting just to get by. Yuma is an example of his town play where he is very chatty and there are inbetweens but they should be ok to figure out. | ||
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On May 28 2014 11:57 slOosh wrote: Like, what's the point of running for mayor if you don't even have a plan? Who is running for mayor without a plan? Also I missed this poofter: What you think of ObiWan? Do you really like layabout? I get this odd feeling they both came into the thread upset or something maybe because we already caught Palmer and the noose is tightening around people like thrawn/Shaopi and tambo. twat face and no are my responses | ||
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On May 28 2014 12:00 slOosh wrote: I'm sorry. Holyflare, what is your plan for Cell order? On May 28 2014 07:18 Holyflare wrote: I see that you will be a thorn in my election. That being said, I do not mind your aprehension, it is justified! However, I stake my reputation on this game, I will not make this another loss like last time! I will divulge to you the secrets of this game. There are several approaches you can take: A) The first lynches will be the ones you think are fairly obvious and will net town a few points. B) The first 1 or 2 lynches will be coinflippy as you get rid of useless points of contention. I suggest going with A) with the caveat that you let the talkers stay in the game to figure it out and not leave the weakest people till last. Anyone that can possibly make a cell order when almost half the people haven't spoken yet is crazy. | ||
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The best you can do is outline what plan of action you are taking and then as a team we make an order together, right near the end of the day when we have as much information as possible. | ||
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- Lynch lowest "contributing" groups first. This has already been mentioned once in the thread. Nominations, filter length, post count, meta, etc. could all be used as metrics for "contribution." High contributing people will have the most content to analyze in the end game, so it is beneficial to keep them around longer. More data is better. - Analyze groups as though all three members could be mafia and lynch groups with "most mafia members." Conversely analyze groups as though all three members could be town and lynch groups with "least town members." Compare the two lists and check for differences. If three of the five mafia members could be in a single group, which group would you lynch first? These are the two I have problems with. First of all, if you lynch groups with the lowest contribution you are essentially taking a shot in the dark because there is a lot less to look at when lynching that group. If this happens with 2 groups in a row then we end up already being 2-0 down and some easier to read people might be at the back of the line because they contributed a lot but ended up being mafia. Secondly, if you analyse the groups in terms of "most mafia members" then you're essentially saying that the general consensus is that nobody has any idea who is mafia within that cell thereby making it another shot in the dark. Least town members is kinda alright-ish but also will end up in probably many meh moments. | ||
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On May 28 2014 12:12 slOosh wrote: Holyflare, did you read Cell Mini 1? If so, what do you think of their ordering? I was in that game......... -.- The ordering was something we decided as a group at the end of the day and it WOULD have worked out well if rayn didn't get wasted and fucked up the order. It would have followed the procedure I stated whereby we lynch the easy +town points first. | ||
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On May 28 2014 12:25 slOosh wrote: Well I was going to get at the day 1 cell. Palmar + Sentinel + Coag. Essentially (as I saw it when I read) was that the town wanted to lynch to clear inactives, basically adopting the "who don't we want at LYLO". As evident from how it went down, even had Palmar been town, it would have been a terrible cell as mafia have a larger than normal influence compared to traditional games. By having an "active" group such as cell B go forth, there is bound to be interaction and a much better shot at hitting the right lynch. we wanted the rayn/gumshoe/steveling cell to go first but rayn rage quit | ||
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Let's move away from this policy nono stuff and talk about the peeps! You start because I'm lazy and watching some cookery stuff | ||
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On May 28 2014 21:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: OdinOfPergo replaces thrawn2112. you replaced in as mafia, how does it feeeeeeeel? :O | ||
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Nothing has totaallyyyyyy changed since this last read thing but people HAVE appeared and talked and then left, don't like it. Cell A: This cell should prove to be the most obvious cell there is. Ritoky pretty much universally town read and MZ was talking a lot (albeit pretty much nonsense). Odin might change things around a bit but in all honesty that is not likely to be the case because thrawn replaced and i'm gonna be a dick and say it's because he was mafia. Sorry, if you're town odin you need to somehow shit town rainbows in the next day or two. Cell B: Palmar refusing to read the mayor elections day but still acting like he's getting reads out of nothing. Says he was gonna read but then didn't. Trolling about. Would lynch even if wave gives me scummy feelz. Poofter told me before he was afraid to post as mafia and he didn't seem afraid in the early few hours of the game hence the early town read. Cell C: I am super town hero mayor. Batsnacks only post presented options for cell ordering which is pretty much just policy talk and half of it was erroneous. Nothing from him since but it's annoying because shiaopi was super tunnely based on nothing and got scum reads based off nothing so it's kind of hard for me to see him as town either -.- more talk plzzzzzzz Cell D: This cell should be last, always last. 0 town reads in it and all of them being equally absent. Sloosh did research, albeit wrong research, but looked like he had a train of thought to go along with which made me lean slightlyyy more towny on him but not enough to add him to green list. Smurf is just pretty much trolling and got all aggro on me when i town read sloosh for what i stated previously, looks jelly of town hunting skillz. Tambo..... rng and useless. Cell E: Bunnies pretty much towny for trying to actually see wtf is up with people and presenting reads. Liked her initial order etc. Layabout from UK so hard to hate but he has really done like nothing. Mderg on the other hand hasn't really said much but from the little he's said it looks like he's willing to start contributing so that cell can be left for one before last because 2/3 people are talking in it Order: A > B > C > E > D The cells with the most people talking in should be easier to get +town points. Cell A is an obvious start and Cell B also has all 3 people talking too, even if palmar is being palmar. My cell also has had all 3 people kinda talk but it's not enough to get a good read on the other two yet so i've left that for 3rd so they get more time to actually say something. If the game continues past this then cell E should most definitely be before D because D is a massive coin flip at the moment whereas E has people talking. As for mayor, I don't really care if it's me or ritoky as we both have similar ideas for ordering. I would prefer myself obviously because I know i'm town but I understand the people's fears of not trusting me so that's fine. | ||
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Like as a towny he'll be like: "oh, holyflare is kinda contributing and being useful but shiaopi is doing not much but baseless accusations, I'm town so that makes our cell easy!" As mafia he'd be like: "oh, i'm mafia and holyflare is talking a lot but shiaopi's accusations are baseless and holyflare doesn't like him so it should be easy to mislynch shiaopi" Can't decide. I think it's more likely the towny response but it's giving me a lot of hesitation. | ||
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On May 29 2014 02:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: also watch out for putting big name cells first. I read last game and palmar got a free pass day 1 because everyone wanted him to solve the game immediately. cell mafia 1 was an abomination, nothing in that game was a proper mafia game | ||
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On May 29 2014 02:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote: well so are you but everyone seems totally okay with that. such mafia finding abilities, many skill! | ||
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On May 29 2014 02:50 slOosh wrote: And if I post I'm mafia? Quite the loaded statement here. how does that statement make sense :o? you posted in another game and hadn't posted here yet, people that don't really want to focus on a second game over their first are usually mafia who don't care but you've posted now (albeit nothing noteworthy) so it's all cool | ||
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On May 29 2014 02:58 mderg wrote: Am I the only one here who wants cell C to go late? Right now I can´t read that at all. Hf´s mayor campaign seemed townie but at some point I started to find it strange how he didn´t want to take responsibility for the cell order. So my read on him is kinda null. batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that. ShiaoPi is like a huge question mark for me right now. So for me this is the last cell I´d want to go first. did you read the last page? :p | ||
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On May 29 2014 03:17 slOosh wrote: The idea is that one could easily follow up with "hey he is mafia and only posting when called out". Which you would think people would realize is a pretty frail reason to lynch someone, but I've been mislynched enough times to overestimate the general townie's perceptive abilities. well i didn't do that so whatever :D On May 29 2014 02:58 mderg wrote: Am I the only one here who wants cell C to go late? Right now I can´t read that at all. Hf´s mayor campaign seemed townie but at some point I started to find it strange how he didn´t want to take responsibility for the cell order. So my read on him is kinda null. batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that. ShiaoPi is like a huge question mark for me right now. So for me this is the last cell I´d want to go first. ^ On reflection this is really disingenuous. He starts by saying "Am i the only one here who wants cell C late" but not many people said C should go first. In fact, batsnacks is like the only person to say that and that was on the last page. If he DID in fact read the last page then what he said about batsnacks can't possibly be true. He just got specific and gave the order with C in front and explained his reasoning behind it. I also explained the order i'd like and reads on people and why I picked that order but he left that out. So really, he's made up some strange things here. | ||
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On May 29 2014 03:24 mderg wrote: You´re making shit up now. When I say late, I mean late, not in the middle of the game. What I said about batsnacks was specifically about the post with the general guidelines. I'm not making anything up. You just said you were up to date with the game and read the last page. On the last page batsnacks doesn't follow the metric about lynching the lowest contributing cells at all. He does quite the opposite. I started the day with no plan for cells because half the people in the game hadn't spoken yet. That should be obvious. I have made a post with a cell order that you should actually like but you didn't comment on that, you decided to pick up on the start of the game which shows you aren't evolving your reads as time goes on. Why, if you are up to date, do your reads not account for anything that happened since the last time you posted? | ||
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On May 29 2014 03:44 slOosh wrote: batsnacks, why C before B? On May 29 2014 02:39 batsnacks wrote: I didn't put A first because I think the rikoty/MZ team has too much momentum against Odin and I think it would be smart to see where that momentum goes with an extra day. I think if rikoty or MZ are mafia we are making it too easy by letting them go first. I put C before B because I feel like I personally have a better intuitive grasp on our group than B's group. nobody reading maaaaan | ||
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On May 29 2014 03:50 mderg wrote: On the last page batsnacks doesn´t follow the metric about lynching the lowest contributing cells, that´s right. But that doesn´t change the fact that he wanted to do that earlier. And it´s not like it wasn´t mentioned before, so he only got rid of that idea after it got called out. My slight townread on him makes sense considering that he later posted an elaborated lynch order and I didn´t really like his start. Why are you the one to decide which posts I should like? Your reads on cell A and B are not something I agree with. You basically have thrawn as mafia because he didn´t post at all and got replaced. Also I am not that sure about Palmar being scum. Why would he do the same shit as the game before where he was scum. It just feels strange. Your actual reasoning for the cell order is based almost only on activity then. Activity itself doesn´t make cells easier to read (for me at least). Tell me why I should like your post! I never said you should like or not like things specifically because of what the content was, I'm saying that nothing in your reads accounts for that at all. Your only reasoning on your return is from stuff that had already happened when you appeared the first time and didn't comment on. Stuff happened since then which should or should not have affected the reads you returned with. You can't say batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that. but now suddenly say My slight townread on him makes sense considering that he later posted an elaborated lynch order and I didn´t really like his start. That doesn't make sense at all. You didn't mention his elaboration. Why would you even say that you didn't like that he didn't elaborate but then town read him for elaborating? Those 2 things do not add up. The whole first quote says nothing whatsoever about his new post making you town read him slightly, it's all attributed to his early game posts. Activity is the only real metric you should actually be using because more activity is more posting is easier scum reading. | ||
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The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! | ||
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On May 29 2014 03:59 mderg wrote: I very strongly disagree with this. Just because someone is more active he doesn´t have to be easier to read than someone who is less active. i'm pretty confident I can read someone with more activity over someone with low activity anyday | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote: Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:15 mderg wrote: I´m not completely sure but wasn´t it koshi who changed things from rayn´s order? yes because rayn got angry and drunk and fucked off and koshi had already afk'd from the game at that point so didn't know what order to do | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:16 27ninjabunnies wrote: Ive never played cell mafia on forum besides this game here, and i didnt read the first cell game here. Im only basing mine on video play. The first game i played, i was mayor, and town, and i changed the order slightly from what town wanted, because i thought it was best. And it would have worked if i didnt get mislynched when my turn came for it. Also second game, which you were in, yes, nydus was the mayor, and he changed the order, he was mafia. So town or mafia could do it. I dont think it gives that much info based on order change from a mayor. nydus was town, regardless, people in video are completely COMPLETELY different because they do not have 24 hours to talk about it and get all their thoughts out in the open, their reads are also not entirely concrete etc, here you are much more accountable for everything that you write and town are very unlikely to change the order at all because there's no new information or anything they can ponder on over the night because they have to make the cell order immediately at the end of the day if you want to take the video mafia metric into account nydus changed the order around but everyone was town reading him and his play as mafia is super obvious the later the game goes on, he changed himself to third in the order so by logical reasoning he was very very obviously town even though banks (mafia) tried to push that point against him | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote: I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta." I'm not a fan. It's not just meta, it's logic. If a mafia gets the mayor and he puts himself into the last spot and fucks up the order then what? he's sacrificed his cell and given us 2 confirmed towns people that will stay through the entirety of the game giving their thoughts. You also get a lot of information based on the order that he formulated etc. | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:34 27ninjabunnies wrote: Yeah!!! What he said HF!!! Lmao. Like, mayor isnt useless, and i explained like him why it isn't. And if mayor is useless, why do you want it so bad? when have i said i wanted it badly? On May 28 2014 07:31 Holyflare wrote: honestly I'll pretty much vote anyone for mayor because if they put me first i'll pretty much be confirmed town because they want me out of the game and if they put me last i'll solve the game so /care As for mayor, I don't really care if it's me or ritoky as we both have similar ideas for ordering. I would prefer myself obviously because I know i'm town but I understand the people's fears of not trusting me so that's fine. | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:44 27ninjabunnies wrote: Maybe badly was the wrong word to use for it, but you did make that huge post about being mayor, which seems it took awhile to make. It seemed like you wanted it, regardless of your later posts after people voiced opposition to you. took like 5 minutes to google the words "vote for me" and "buzz words" :D:D:D:D:D:D really wasn't meant to be a serious post ever | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:56 ritoky wrote: the number 1 reason i don't like your order right now is because I have arrived at 2 basic certainties at this point in the game: 1) Group A should go first 2) Holy crap do I not want tambo or his group last and to be in LYLO why would we be in lylo???? my order HAS GROUP A FIRST lool | ||
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On May 29 2014 05:11 batsnacks wrote: We've got less that 2 hours. Just consider this: What is the advantage of lynching the mayor's group first? Lets assume that most people vote for the mayor because they believe he/she is town. If the mayor is in the cell to be lynched on day 1, that means that the first group up for lynch already has one person that the majority read as town. This gives town a starting advantage. If town can get the first victory, that is a lot of pressure on mafia. I would argue town winning day 1 is more important than town winning any other day, except for LYLO. Building momentum is important. Going into day 1 with a town read (the mayor) is an advantage. Consider this. so why isn't A first in your order? | ||
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On May 29 2014 05:05 ritoky wrote: Anyone else want to give their definitive Cell orders before the deadline? Other than mine I have: batsnacks: C, A, B, E, D bunnies: A, D, E, C, B Holyflare: A, B, C, E, D If I missed some in the thread, someone tell me so I can update my list. can you just add your order for clarifications sake? | ||
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On May 29 2014 05:20 ritoky wrote: batsnacks: C, A, B, E, D bunnies: A, D, E, C, B Holyflare: A, B, C, E, D ritoky: A, C, B, D, E why d before e when d is the most unreadable cell there is? | ||
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So sloosh and mderg are mainly the ones that i'm confused about, sloosh really has done nothing other than falsely "read" the last cell game and talk about kind of nothing. He even asked batsnacks a question that batsnacks had been asked a page before. So why the town read on him at all? Also, mderg, did you not read the interaction between me and him? His thoughts had not progressed whatsoever since he was last in the thread and tried to add reasoning from the page before his return into his current reads like that's what he meant at the time. What i can't get my head around is you not town reading bunnies over mderg at this point it's increasingly odd. | ||
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The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk. | ||
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Mderg only admitted he was wrong because he was pressured with evidence to the contrary by Odin (+ points odin). Do mafia under pressure admit they were wrong when there is evidence present or stick it out and flat out lie in the face of an obvious mistake? | ||
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On May 29 2014 05:51 mderg wrote: ##vote: ritoky I don´t really agree with his cell order but I´m more sure about him being town than batsnacks. The vote is most likely going to be between these two. So I´m voting for my stronger townread. so what order would you like? | ||
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Can you explain this then? You want to start with group A because I presume you have a read on ritoky and it would be easy to solve so that would be a +point but then you jump into wanting 2 of the lurker groups to go next? How do you have such a strong read on D/E? I realise your argument for your own cell will be "because i'm in it so it's easy" but what about everyone else? You're then putting the 2 groups with the least amount of information at the front of the line when we literally have no idea what is going on in them? | ||
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Why has ritoky kept his poofter town read when he has posted NOTHING for a long time but ritoky has removed bunnies who has posted more often in the past 12 pages? It doesn't add up, his reads are totally suspicious. | ||
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On May 29 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote: Well in my mind, there exist two worlds as of now: the world where MZ and poofter are mafia together and they are so deep in my pockets that it is unbelievable, or the world where Odin is mafia. As you can tell from my reads, I am living in world 2. So if Odin is mafia, his strategy to try and break into the group would be to target me or MZ, and he chose me so far. IF mderg is mafia with Odin, he could very easily helped push that agenda or it was a very clever scheme to distance himself from Odin. I just don't really see them being mafia together in my mind, and as of now Odin is 90% mafia in my mind. Why have I dropped on bunnies? Well I was asleep when she posted the thing I really didn't like, which was he cell order. The thing I least like about it is that she places her cell 3rd. I just don't get the argument behind it. I am on board with batsnacks about the mayor putting his cell 1st. I could also come to understand that if everyone believes the mayor is 100% town and someone else in their cell is 90% town, then you could put that group last and have "confirmed" towns for the duration of the game. That said, it is not what George Washington has decreed. I also don't like he placement of D or B. I think putting D 2nd makes me skeptical as hell and I don't like her justification for it. I think it might be indicative of belief that it is an easy ML group. I also don't like cell B last, because I think it will be a very clear town win. So odin is mafia and universal town read ritoky and mz are in his group. Who does mafia odin try and target? Universal town read ritoky or could be suspicious mz? Why have you jumped to the totally opposite conclusion of what any mafia trying to push a mislynch would do? Associative cases should also never be used here or in mafia games in general, just because 2 people are doing similar things does not mean they share the same alignment. | ||
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On May 29 2014 06:09 mderg wrote: A should be pretty clear. D because I´m having a scumread on tamburini. E because I´m pretty sure bunnies is town, I´m also town so it only leaves layabout. B and C are the cells I´m most unsure about. As a side note: why didn´t you attack bunnies for her suggested cell orders? The first 3 cells would be the same. So why are my first 3 cells pointed out and hers weren´t? because i town read bunnies for other things and it was a wall of text that i cba to talk through but she posted her thoughts about her own opinion of cell order and then voted ritoky which i think is a townier thing to do | ||
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On May 29 2014 06:12 ritoky wrote: Sorry, I don't really understand this post. I guess it's cuz I speak amerikan. Let's say you are mafia and someone in your cell is getting a town read from everyone. You come into the thread and realise this and you're mafia so you need a mislynch. Who do you target to try and push that mislynch and get a point in favour of your side? Do you target universal town read or the person who isn't universal town read? | ||
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On May 29 2014 06:14 ShiaoPi wrote: HF for all what it is worth it is just WIFOM. it's really just not wifom | ||
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On May 29 2014 06:15 ShiaoPi wrote: it is. you are looking at it from the perspective of how you would play scum. Does not necessarily mean it is optimal or anything or how another player will go at it. I have played scum enough times to get into the mindset of anyone that plays scum. He's never played mafia afaik (from the database) so this would be his FIRST time playing scum. First time scum are super nervous about doing anything out of the ordinary, they fit into trends, they will follow people, they won't speak their mind and they won't go against the grain of the town to speak up on something that no many people agree with. His agenda is to win a point, going after someone with pretty much town reads from 100% of people is not what a first time mafia would do. | ||
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On May 29 2014 06:27 ritoky wrote: So let's just play your scenario. You think that if I was mafia I would be "super nervous about doing anything our of the ordinary", "try to fit into trends", and "follow people"; on the grounds that it is my first time as scum in TL mafia. So how does pushing for mayor the hardest out of anyone, being the first to post the logic behind my cell order, and making big flashy posts that have caused a lot of people to sheep me; line up with those characteristics? originally i thought you'd be mafia because your reads don't add up at all but you actually explained your stuff and it made sense in your way, even if it's really wrong and yes your mayor post was an exact copy of mine so you were technically following a trend -.- either way, i think mz is the scum in your group | ||
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On May 29 2014 06:33 layabout wrote: my first scum game was one of my most active and confident games i have played, you are tlaking out of your arse why would a townie want their cell to go first? Mafia wanting to go first i get but town.... yes, that's another way to play when it screams out that you have too much information -.- does odin look like either of those? i have no idea what you're talking about for the last sentence | ||
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On May 29 2014 06:39 ritoky wrote: @HF could you explain your Meapak read? other than he's done nothing and I like odin's inquisitive posting? no | ||
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if you are only going to repeatedly say that I am scum in our cell but never bother to contribute to anything else in the entire game I think our cell will be very self evident after all | ||
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On May 29 2014 06:54 marvellosity wrote: Deadline coming up, when it is reached please stop posting, except the mayor who should post the Cell Order once the mayor post has gone up, then I'll post again | ||
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On May 29 2014 07:13 layabout wrote: this is bs i wanted to go fourth if you care about the game why would you put yourself 1st???? because in his eyes that's the group with the easiest + point for town? | ||
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On May 29 2014 07:17 WaveofShadow wrote: MZ you'd better get back here and make me feel better about leaving those shitter groups till the end. You too poofter. We have 3 days to solve this game bro. You and me. you better start talking more bro! | ||
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On May 29 2014 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Actually this very post makes me think HF is scum again lol Because i "ran" for mayor lol? Have you even read the people in my group? :pppp | ||
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Well you're not much better. The only contribution after saying you're going to look much more towny is pointing out things that have already been said about your group which contains 2 lurkers. Nothing about the 3 lynches ahead of it and especially nothing about the lynch that is going on today. | ||
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If you're going to call me out as scum at least reason why I'm scum over the other 2. Shiaopi has especially not even done anything at all. | ||
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On May 29 2014 10:46 WaveofShadow wrote: This is deflection and doesn't mean that he's scum. I don't have to do shit. Right now my feels point at you. They'll probably change again but you said some stuff I didn't like and it reminds me of scumHF. Try again. What's the towny mentality behind it? "Holyflare thinks batsnacks has been contributing and holyflare is town, why hasn't wave mentioned shiaopi who has done nothing but idly call people scum and afk again" You've dropped the ball wave. | ||
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On May 29 2014 10:53 WaveofShadow wrote: lolwut I'm actually pretty sure I've called every member of your cell scum at one point or another at this point. Never really had a ball to drop, boyo. At one point isn't now though is it get rid of any scum Holyflare mentality you have because it's just not relevant in this game and you'll be wasting your time racking your brains thinking about it, it's either batsnacks who has been posting things in an attempt to find an order of cells and givong reads, albeit not really interacting so much or shiaopi who has got like no reads and just returns to dispute minor things and then afk again | ||
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On May 29 2014 11:00 WaveofShadow wrote: More like it's not relevant currently. Still should be focusing on A. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh u no ilu bro, but this is bad. No not currently. I have no interest discussing cell a anymore until mz odin or ritoky is around to discuss so it's absolutely the right time to discuss about the next cell | ||
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On May 29 2014 11:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah poof still probs not scum. Think I'm still ok. HF did you notice how bat-thing ignored my post about him? Which one? | ||
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On May 29 2014 12:04 ritoky wrote: To all those who questioned my order here is my response: The land that invented electricity, science, the internet, global warming, the doughnut, and porn; filled me with the power of freedom, and I simply did her great will, and the will of the founding fathers. On another note, I will actually read what has happened since then, and if anyone has any questions I will gladly respond. I think you'll find that only the internet was created in america. | ||
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On May 29 2014 12:09 batsnacks wrote: I've got a better idea lets cross that bridge when we come to it, which won't even be very long now. How about this if the deadline was now who would you vote in group A? This is an open question anyone can answer it. I'd vote MZ because he buddied with ritoky too fast, because I want to believe a mafia member wasn't elected as mayor over me, and because I liked Odin's first post more than any of MZ's that I can remember. That's what I've got and I think it is something. Already said I'd vote mz. Nobody has noticed odins post criticising ritoky yet because it's hidden in a spiiler and i thought it was pretty good: On May 29 2014 04:28 OdinOfPergo wrote: Ok so I'm just going to give you my analysis on that post. I'll post my thoughts in red.. So ye, in conclusion.. What exactly was suppose to make me feel better in that post? It's fishy, and there is an obvious agenda in it. Click the spoiler for his red text! | ||
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On May 29 2014 12:47 mtamburini wrote: IM SORRY was stuck doing training for my job and got home past the deadline! Get your thoughts in asap | ||
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On May 29 2014 17:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: However bad logic =/= scum agenda. I'm gonna go to bed as well, everyone who's been sheeping off of HF and batsnacks needs to actually read this current page and Odin's filter. I'll leave you all with this: Now i know you haven't read the thread properly if you just said that -.- I said his logic was so bad but elaborated upon that it was probably from town which is obvious from my long interactions with him in the thread which you should know. It only came to light the bad reasoning because me and odin brought it up. That's why i liked odin. Why you so hyper man? | ||
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On May 30 2014 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Odin. Stop it. We've been through this before. This is not how you play a game. have you changed your mind yet? | ||
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On May 29 2014 23:30 layabout wrote: mz makes his mind up wayy to early. From this point on he pushes the odin is scum ritoky is town agenda. It really doesn't look like he thought about it like a townie should before he started to push that. Plus his focus is on survival not the game as a whole + Show Spoiler + phone posting and drinking the next two days The post before this you were saying that ritoky is mafia but in this post you are calling mz mafia, not much has changed at all as mz is still pushing the same target since the start of the game. So what changed for you? | ||
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On May 30 2014 02:19 OdinOfPergo wrote: On the risk of getting banned, practicing alcoholic and auto correct. That's all I'm going to say vs that.. are you town odin? I don't think you are | ||
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On May 30 2014 02:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I completely 100% disagree. The only times I can remember martyring are as scum and most scum I've seen up for lynch do it at some point. he's not up for lynch and in a lot of the games i've seen they've been town | ||
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so yeh, it's hard not to agree, but does that make him scum or just a towny trolling? what did you make of odin's slew of posts just now? | ||
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On May 30 2014 03:19 layabout wrote: HF what do you mean "towny trolling?" If someone is trolling us we should burn the shit out of them unless they give us reason to think they, are town going along with someone who is talking about freedom nonsense is either mafia playing badly because they have no other strategy or towny trolling and buddying, since that he's provided some analysis of odin's thing which i don't entirely agree with but it shows that at least he's starting to contribute a bit so i'll give it a bit more time | ||
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On May 30 2014 04:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Or we could lynch Odin and then win the game by lynching the other two... maybe | ||
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On May 30 2014 05:11 Palmar wrote: Whose filter do I need to read and how much time do I have? you're dying soon | ||
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On May 30 2014 06:41 IAmRobik wrote: Put me in coach! I wasn't gonna sub in cause I was scared of rolling maf, but I heard I would be in a group with holyflare and I snap-accepted. Then Artanis told me I'm town and the fact that there's a 50% chance of HF being mafia and a chance for me to shit all over him if he is makes me super duper happy. there is no way on this planet that you are town | ||
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But sloosh was unconvincing, his case on MZ seemed kinda lazy and it seemed like he was actively lurking. What I liked however was his point about MZ townreading people simply of going into the spotlight with their mayor campaigns. I also thought that MZ was sheeping ritoky for an easy misslynch at that point. These two things cannot possibly go together at all. The first quote states that sloosh's case on mz is lazy and he's a lurker but his case was on mz sheeping ritoky and getting an early mislynch because he wouldn't care and it was quite reflective of what was happening. So we establish that mderg does not like sloosh because of this case. Mderg also states that he LIKES odin for the exact same thing that he hates sloosh for. These reads do not go together one bit. His Palmar scumread makes sense but I have a feeling that Palmar is actually town. This quote has no substance on a read of palmar at all. If a scum read makes sense then that person is scummy. Palmar has posted literally nothing but for some reason mderg gets the suspicion that palmar is town, based on nothing. Mderg has refrained from really commenting on cell B ever apart from this palmar point which he has defended about 3 times in his short filter. No read on WoS, no read on poofter other than saying that poofters point on palmar wasn't really that scum indicative. The time that someone points out his scum reads (ritoky) in the form of colouring in cells mderg only comments on the read on bunnies rather than the red bolded palmar who he doesn't think is scum at all. Mderg is the scum in his cell. | ||
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On May 30 2014 07:08 27ninjabunnies wrote: Just got off of work and had to take my little sister togymnastics practice, so I'll be updating from my phone. I see Rob subbed in from someone, who?! And anything else interesting happen that ya'll need me to look closely at? shiaopi, palmars return | ||
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On May 30 2014 07:05 Holyflare wrote: These two things cannot possibly go together at all. The first quote states that sloosh's case on mz is lazy and he's a lurker but his case was on mz sheeping ritoky and getting an early mislynch because he wouldn't care and it was quite reflective of what was happening. So we establish that mderg does not like sloosh because of this case. Mderg also states that he LIKES odin for the exact same thing that he hates sloosh for. These reads do not go together one bit. This quote has no substance on a read of palmar at all. If a scum read makes sense then that person is scummy. Palmar has posted literally nothing but for some reason mderg gets the suspicion that palmar is town, based on nothing. Mderg has refrained from really commenting on cell B ever apart from this palmar point which he has defended about 3 times in his short filter. No read on WoS, no read on poofter other than saying that poofters point on palmar wasn't really that scum indicative. The time that someone points out his scum reads (ritoky) in the form of colouring in cells mderg only comments on the read on bunnies rather than the red bolded palmar who he doesn't think is scum at all. Mderg is the scum in his cell. Just to add to this, Palmar is in mdergs other game (detention mafia) and palmar is actually posting in that game whereas he is not in this game yet mderg sees no relevance in mentioning that, no bother to attribute this lack of posting to an alignment, just small defences and free town reads for nothing. | ||
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On May 30 2014 08:21 IAmRobik wrote: I haven't read his posts, nor have I read anything that happened before like page 44 besides skimming WoS's filter. I really don't care what my predecessor said, but I can assure you that it came from a towny mindset. As for my cell -- I'm cool with lynching HF right meow, but I'll probably read the thread and make a real opinion on who is scummier of the two at some point i lol'd | ||
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On May 30 2014 07:43 27ninjabunnies wrote: Not that i'm against palmer posting, but can you stop being a hypocrite? Would it kill you to post?! I read through your filter and all I saw was... Ima give read... This person is scummy, but i have no basis for it... Someone should post something. So unless you do something too, hush. Thanks. On May 30 2014 08:09 layabout wrote: Oh fuck off ninja that is such shit So what is such shit about it? She's right, you haven't really given proper reasons for your read and you sure haven't got the basis for town reading odin that you'd have to choose between ritoky and mz. | ||
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On May 30 2014 09:45 layabout wrote: But what is scummy about Odin? rito and mz both ake sense as mafia but Odin i do not see That's not what we were saying :p i agree he looks like town and most of us have reasoned out why but you didn't say anything about it or even analyse him and went straight for ritoky (who you've talked about not liking all game) and now mz. So it looked odd if anything that you didn't even bother questioning it. I do like the succinctness of that read though | ||
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I have a bad feeling about ritoky because his reasons for his reads are poopy and even though his strategy is to get the most points early he placed the cell where he pretty much town read 2 people last in the order and didn't listen to anyones advice about changing it. In all honesty this game is annoying the shit out of me because people joined under the required pretense in the op to actually be active and a lot of people aren't. | ||
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On May 30 2014 04:14 batsnacks wrote: It's not correct to say I "didn't like" or "was not a fan of" lots of people. It would be correct to say that I "didn't like" or "was not a fan of" specific things lots of people did. There were very few people I actually didn't like. This was a super odd return to the thread and back to afk btw. Anyway, focusing on mz's reads here he has bumsnacks as scummyish because all his reads are don't like this etc etc which is entirely what mz's reads are. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Is that scummy? I'm curious because I think Palmar essentially does the same thing. I would think town robik would jump at the chance to read my filter and find scummy things. I think mafia robik would look elsewhere. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:14 WaveofShadow wrote: So you think a Palmar/Robik scumteam would both try and push me as scum in almost exactly the same way? Personally when it comes to your group I think I'm gonna go the process of elim route---if I can find reason enough to find Shiao/Robik towny now then I'll be able to vote you with no qualms. Finding scummy things in someone's filter is easy to do from either alignment for any reason and I don't think your comment says much about Robik at all. It's not about finding them and showing them. His ONLY reason for replacing was to get me lynched. His entrance post says "I'm town and I'm happy that there's a 50% chance hf is mafia!" then proceeds to completely ditch everything to do with the reason he joined (he knows I'm town) and randonly pick out your filter? Like wth? What towny does that? Not to mention shiaopi replaced out instead of just afking more. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:17 WaveofShadow wrote: This game especially. Is changing one's mind seen as a scummy or towny trait generally? Null to town but you do that in every game so i kinda just want words down in thread so you're accountable for things later. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote: Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now. If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it. So then nobody is going to mention what i wrote about mderg then earlier in regards to this? :/ | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Eh I was wrong about the replacement thing last time and SHiaoPi is an honourable guy and would replace out as either alignment if he needed to. Not looking into that. Now surely you can't possibly be telling me that you truly believe that Robik would come in blaring his intentions, being completely serious about them, and move on in a heartbeat? AND that that somehow makes him scum? Have you ever played with robik? That's the first thinf he'd do! | ||
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On May 30 2014 07:19 Holyflare wrote: Just to add to this, Palmar is in mdergs other game (detention mafia) and palmar is actually posting in that game whereas he is not in this game yet mderg sees no relevance in mentioning that, no bother to attribute this lack of posting to an alignment, just small defences and free town reads for nothing. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:23 mtamburini wrote: @Bunnies what is the difference between RNG a mafia from each cell and just tunneling random people for reads? The answer is NOTHING. We start off with nothing tunnel on someone and get reads off it. Stop talking about rng and bunnies. You're wrong on both accounts. Have you read the game yet? | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:27 mtamburini wrote: No I have not I'm heading into work now will be back in 10 hours. Just read bunnies filter and she keeps trying to bury me for the RNG mafia post I did. Because it's useless and you're still talking about it rather than everything else in the game abd especially the lynch that's happening today. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:28 ritoky wrote: I am saying, if sloosh's case is the best case, then that's some weak stuff; outside of the one point in it I think is good and needs addressing. Why do you maintain that you would still be voting odin over mz despite never giving any reason that odin could potentially be scum? You even qualify your scum read with reasons why you don't think he is scum. What has he done that's scummy compared to the only thing you're town reading mz off of and that's buddying you? | ||
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On May 30 2014 12:00 ritoky wrote: says the guy who wanted cell D last.....in a potential LYLO....cell D??? Would be a 3 total post final phase. Why the hell would you ever get to lylo in this game? Ever??? | ||
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On May 30 2014 12:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: im still here. im working on a big case right now, its gonna take a while. On who? | ||
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On May 30 2014 12:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote: no dice. also the scum in cell a is meapak and ill get to that when i get the chance. I'm telling you right now i am most definitely town and you are majorly wasting yours and eventually other people's time by making them read anything about me being mafia. | ||
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He's playing in your other game. He has no interest in this game whatsoever, he says he won't play the mayor bit but then never returns. He's usually pretty trolly as town who isn't playing but he isn't even that here (his tambo thing was just shitty and atypical palmar troll). He most likely won't start playing till late tomorrow or even at my cells lynch and then try and control the pace of the game after I'm dead. | ||
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On May 30 2014 13:48 27ninjabunnies wrote: You gonna make me major filter dive? Damn hf. Hmmm Tamburini MZ himself Mderg ( this post is super weird imo: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449768-cell-mini-mafia-ii?page=43#857 ) Palmer voted odin, so there's that. Robik hasnt said anything about MZ Obi is focusing on you. So those are the ones i have. This is most likely a rather accurate list of mafia. | ||
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A) someone new/played very little with me B) most likely played in golden sun or yuma C) initial reaction was steveling but not so sure now | ||
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On May 30 2014 15:00 WaveofShadow wrote: From Cultured: Just for one game's example. In conclusion, stfu kindly sir. Well that's true but i was doing all that to survive to lylo. :p here it's just straight forward mostly afk mafia. | ||
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On May 30 2014 15:10 OdinOfPergo wrote: You're going to have to explain this one to me Wave Tomorrow is HF's cell day on the block. am I missing something?? The /sarcasm presumably :p | ||
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Because look what's happened in your cell. New information happens (poofter afking for great lengths) and you start to adapt your read and question your read of palmar. What does mz do when everyone is pointing out ritoky flaws or odin positives? He rejoins and tries to tear apart odins post instead of question anything at all. | ||
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On May 30 2014 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: What does that have to do with Odin's recent return? He's incorporated new information into the formation of his read. "ritoky has poop reasons but at least he's trying to take a stab at solving things in some places, his reason for reading mz is shit but i think his other play outweighs it" | ||
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On May 30 2014 22:56 batsnacks wrote: Damn it no one is going to read that thing I just posted because it's at the bottom of the page. Don't think it really applies. He meant that he town read ritoky for being ballsy and then his town read was reaffirmed when he did towny looking scum hunting. | ||
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On May 30 2014 23:36 IAmRobik wrote: I think it's really scummy that you are basing a read off of what's going on in a different game. I also think it's scummy that you are trying to build a case on mderg because of Palmar's actions, instead of on Palmar. It's really not. | ||
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On May 30 2014 23:49 Palmar wrote: Maybe mderg is smart enough to know that I don't always play the same way HF. There is not a way in this game that you are not getting lynched. In survivor you spent the WHOLE game complaining about people afking. You said to ve at the end, that you couldn't overlook his afking at the start of the game and that made him scum and you were unlikely to change your mind. You mentioned more than several times that you would policy lynch afkers in later games. I am holding you to this standard. You will be lynched and if you are town the failure to get +1 town point rested on your activity. | ||
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On May 30 2014 23:53 IAmRobik wrote: It really is. I'd love to hear your explanation for why you don't think it's alignment indicative of palmar at all, but that it is alignment indicative for mderg. Are you retarded? There's 1 sentence in that entire thing that relies on palmars activity in another game. It's nothing to do with MY read on palmar. It's mdergs mindset. I can't talk about the things happening in ongoing games. Mderg had tambo as scum and all tambo did was afk and say something about rng at the start. Mderg has palmar as town and all palmar did was vote tambo and permanently afk. Mderg defends his palmar town read based on nothing and it doesn't make sense. Independent of this I quite obviously think palnar is scum. | ||
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On May 31 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote: Look more people talking who will be gone when my cell comes up! ' Also, my rules don't apply to myself, I am the king after all. It doesn't matter, I will make sure people do it. Besides, if you're town it will go down with mafia and you'll get lynched anyway. | ||
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On May 31 2014 00:02 IAmRobik wrote: Your blatantly talking about ongoing games, and now you're saying that you can't talk about things happening in ongoing games. That's so hypocritical. So let's lay out a hypothetical for you: Say Palmar is playing 2 games at once, and he's active in one game and inactive in another. Say, hypothetically, that the mod of the game that Palmar is active in, for this example, let's pick a name out of a hate.....let's say mderg, should prolly have a grasp of Palmar activitity. In this crazy hypothetical occurrence that has nothing to do with real life, why would you ping out the mod, over the person that you perceive as playing differently. THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. What the hell are you talking about? The ongoing games thing is so minor in comparison to everything else. It's simple activity vs non-activity that was not mentioned by mderg despite being in 2 games at once. It's another facet to gather information that mderg ignores to instead town read palmar based on nothing. Why are you still focusing on this ongoing game stuff when there's actual convincing stuff before that. | ||
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On May 31 2014 00:08 IAmRobik wrote: I don't give a **** about the ongoing game. I want to know why you are focusing on mderg for it as opposed to Palmar. Clearly, within the past few posts, I have come to realize that you also consider Palmar scum. But the fact that you are focusing on mderg over Palmar is what bothers the **** out of me Palmar has 0 activity to talk about. Mderg has more than 0 activity to talk about. Already talked about palmars cell and came to him being mafia conclusion before talking to mderg. If you don't bother reading you'll never find this out and you'll keep wasting your time on this pointless crap. | ||
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On May 31 2014 03:56 IAmRobik wrote: For the record, I have 0 other reason to believe he's town. On May 31 2014 05:08 IAmRobik wrote: I just read like 2 posts of his and decided that...I didn't read any of his early stuff until I read whatever MZ quoted. I haven't read the drunk stuff that people cleared him for, but I assumed it was clear-worthy. I was mostly just going along with the consensus of people who were calling him town backed by my own insta-read on him. On May 31 2014 05:11 IAmRobik wrote: Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot. The fact that Odin seems to have felt safe and hasn't been back to the thread makes me lean scummier though. Like, the dude is in the first lynch group. He has to put in a solid 72 hours of work including the mayor shit (unless that was also 48hrs -- which would be lolworthy long), and he's not willing to be around for the last half of the last day that he can possibly contribute. DAFUQ is that bullshit. On May 31 2014 05:16 IAmRobik wrote: Whatever, I concede that it may be Rikoty, but like, I don't like MZ for scum anymore. I'm putting my ass on the line here. Like if we don't lynch MZ and it's a miss, I feel like I'm gonna be facing the wrath of 7 hells tomorrow. 0 reason to believe mz is town other than 2 of his cell being on mz, suddenly becomes all of cell A having good things going for them, uses odin's inactivity to redo a scum read and says he obviously feels safe despite if you actually read odins posts it looked like the complete opposite (lololol) after having no actual read on odin at all because he never read his posts (read the red text) this leads odin to being the scum in cell A. so to summarise robik, he is SO SO SO confident that mz is NOT A BUS despite consensus being solidly on mz being scum all day that scum would most likely have to bus that he completey throws everything away to not vote mz. He even said he would vote other people to SAVE mz he was that confident. Highest TMI i've seen in a while All through the mayor day mderg was town reading ritoky which culminated in: On May 29 2014 05:51 mderg wrote: ##vote: ritoky I don´t really agree with his cell order but I´m more sure about him being town than batsnacks. The vote is most likely going to be between these two. So I´m voting for my stronger townread. Since then not much changed, he even said cell A "should be pretty clear". Then you have this post: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2014 06:42 mderg wrote: Giving my thoughts on Cell A: At first I didn´t like ritoky and MZ and I thought one of them just wanted an easy misslynch in thrawn. Especially thrawn not posting at all and being replaced isn´t alignment indicative at all. Later in his mayor campaign ritoky actually showed some solid reasoning and elaborated on his cell order. Even though I didn´t agree with the cell order I thought he was townie and figured that having him as mayor would give us a well elaborated cell order. Odin´s first post weren´t necessarily screaming town to me but they certainly weren´t scummy. I didn´t like how he called ritoky leading a clear agenda in his mayor campaign since I didn´t see any agenda in that. What I liked however was his point about MZ townreading people simply of going into the spotlight with their mayor campaigns. I also thought that MZ was sheeping ritoky for an easy misslynch at that point. His Palmar scumread makes sense but I have a feeling that Palmar is actually town. Coupled with the fact that he didn´t like the freedom bullshit I read Odin as town at that point. That also means that I thought of MZ as scum. Then the "drunken rage" hits and I´m really unsure about Odin. It might just be play from a frustrated townie but it might also be play by a frustrated scum. It didn´t make any sense to me. At about the same time MZ started having some good posts that seemed townie to me. The reads he made in this post seemed natural to me. + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2014 04:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Cell C: HF, you’ve been active all game and I generally agree with your reads and your “townpile.” I have you as town right now. Batsnacks wanted group C to go first because he felt he “had a grasp on it” but hasn’t actually provided any insight into the group aside from his one big post where he “didn’t like” and was “not a fan” of lots of people but did not provide any solid reads. At the moment, only real scumread is me for “buddying ritoky.” His to big posts were a summary and setup speculation. Overall not really impressed with what I’ve seen. ShaioPi is sadly less impressive than batsnacks. He calls HF, Tamburini, and ritoky scum and then never really revisits it. He doesn’t like group A and he wanted batsnacks to be mayor. Overall incredibly lurky and low content. I had called him scum for saying he didn’t like freedom but at the moment he’s the scummiest from group C imo. Cell D Tamburini rng’d a list of scum and then afk’d, null. ObiWan is lurky as well. Has thrice promised a case and then reneged. The only real read he provides is sloosh as scum. There’s a casual open manner to his posts though imo so I’ll give him a pass until I see more substantive posts. I guess I’m cautiously optimistic about obiwan. Sloosh is active lurking and he chainsaw’s Odin by going after me. I personally think his case is hilariously bad and because I think Odin is scum, I’m gonna throw down the omgus and say that sloosh is the scum from Cell D. His active lurking and lack of reads is bad enough, the chainsaw is icing on the cake. Cell E Layabout has been spectacularly useless, but he might be the scum from this group because he goes after ritoky, but then changes his tune after the lynch on me starts to pick up speed. This is just another chainsaw defense of odin. Layabout goes from saying ritoky’s plan makes perfect sense from a mafia perspective to saying I’m scum for buddying him. The only thing that makes sense here from a mafia perspective is layabout’s play because he realizes I’m an easier lynch than ritoky. 27NB has been active and her reads have been decent. Townread from me. Mderg hasn’t really been pushing any reads, but what he has said has been well thought out and logical so I feel pretty good about him as well. So my scum team looks like this: Odin, Palmar, ShaioPi, Sloosh, Layabout. Most confident on the first two, least confident on ShaioPi . I don´t really agree on Cell C. I wouldn´t put Hf down as town and his reasoning for calling ShiaoPi scum is not the most convincing. But I agree that ShiaoPi is scummiest in that group. I completely agree with his reads on cell D. tamburini is a question mark and ObiWan was kinda strange with the case he promised. But sloosh was unconvincing, his case on MZ seemed kinda lazy and it seemed like he was actively lurking. Cell E seems pretty clear to me. layabout´s play didn´t convince me at all and bunnies showed good activity as well as good elaboration on her reads. So I´m stuck in the weird place of having 3 slight townreads in this cell. Right now I´d go with ritoky because I haven´t seen anything amazing from him recently but this is not how I want to actually lynch someone. which pretty much calls everyone in cell A null/town and leaves his options open, I'd go so far as to say that ritoky is his actual strongest read based off of day 1 info + this post but somehow he said he'd probably end up voting ritoky at the end of it despite listing no negatives compared to the other 2. Then the reads he actually gives in the post if you focus on them don't legitimately add up and it doesn't seem like he's keeping consistant with it at all (I made a post on this before). He says sloosh's case was lazy and not great and sloosh's case was all about MZ sheeping, HE SAID IT WAS BAD OK BUT THEN HE TOWN READS ODIN FOR SAYING THE SAME THING ON MZ EVEN THOUGH IT WAS AFTER SLOOSH'S CASE. This is really really suspicious. He then gives a terrible reason to switch to ritoky over mz even though ritokys thoughts were pretty consitant with what he had been saying the whole day so it had not changed. Not to mention he tried to just push me for saying "mderg is definitely mafia" and his reason was that mafia has "too much information" so he pretty much just called himself mafia Somehow he even knows for a fact that I´m mafia. Sadly he also says that he will not disclose the reasons for that. As far as I know only people of 1 alignment can know the alignment of others for a fact (hint: it´s scum). He is 100% lying here. I´m not scum. Also, why even mention reasons you will not disclose anyway? Not to mention I did disclose as much info as I could and more than anything HE SHOULD KNOW THE UNDISCLOSED INFO SO THIS IS SUPER SUSPICIOUS TOO. auto-lynch palmar plz, he even used the same shitty logic as robik "if mz is scum i'm basically a free mislynch in my cell oh noooo!" On May 31 2014 03:27 Palmar wrote: Too bad I can't save you ##Unvote MZ ##Vote ritoky Reason: I don't expect anyone to follow this but whatever, because it relies on me knowing I'm town. if MZ is actually mafia, I'm basically a lock mislynch for his team. There is literally no reason for him as scum to call me out as being scum which might (even if weak) be at some point interpreted as me actually being town. if he's mafia he'd probably just not comment on me at all because that makes sure he doesn't accidentally absolve me. On May 31 2014 05:16 IAmRobik wrote: Whatever, I concede that it may be Rikoty, but like, I don't like MZ for scum anymore. I'm putting my ass on the line here. 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On June 01 2014 02:59 batsnacks wrote: Holyflare who's mafia in Cell D and E? cell d i honestly have no clue, obi's only contribution is a terrible case on me when it wasn't even relevant and was bad and he voted mz for "plot holes in his reasoning" but never explained that and wasted time, tambo is just.. like afk all the time and when he returns he goes on bunnies for reasons of fucking rng discussion -.- major useless waste of time, sloosh had a case that i liked but that's the only thing that i liked and other than that he has done absolutely 0 things so really cell d is complete shit cell e, i like bunnies, she went tryhard on filtering people when it didnt' really need to be done if she was mafia because i'm pretty sure she had good reasons to begin with, she's put in a lot of effort and all that jazz. i already made my reasons for mderg but i wouldn't honestly be surprised if it was layabout because he has also done 0 things | ||
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On June 01 2014 03:05 mderg wrote: If it is what I think it is, I have absolutely no clue how you could come to the conclusion then. I also think you should not have mentioned it at all. it's nothing to do with what you think, simply that you are in both games and drew no parallells between what he was doing here and there yet instantly town read him for 0 reasons here after he had done nothing and then you defended the point about 3 times | ||
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The thing about Poof brought up about Palmar is nothing I´d read into I don´t really like M_Z because he is so into the freedom thing and kinda buddied with ritoky. He also called the meta case on Palmar "a pretty damning meta case". IMO it´s something to look into but definitely not even close to a 100% scum tell. Also I am not that sure about Palmar being scum. Why would he do the same shit as the game before where he was scum. It just feels strange. His Palmar scumread makes sense but I have a feeling that Palmar is actually town this is all while palmar was doing nothing, not consistant and definitely tmi | ||
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On June 01 2014 03:11 mderg wrote: I should know the undisclosed info but it has nothing to do with what I think? I don´t get this. stop fucking talking about info in ongoing games, you are in a game where palmar is actively playing right? yes. you see palmar not playing in this game at all right? yes. you say nothing about that whatsoever but come to the ready conclusion that hes town right? yes all based on 0 posts and you haven't used anything to draw these conclusions | ||
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On May 30 2014 14:01 Holyflare wrote: This is most likely a rather accurate list of mafia. On May 31 2014 06:20 LoneMeow wrote: Counting of votes: OdinOfPergo (3): ritoky (3): mderg, Palmar, mtamburini Meapak_Ziphh (9): WaveofShadow, slOosh, layabout, OdinOfPergo, Currently, Meapak_Ziphh is set to be lynched. You have until Friday, May 30 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ) to vote. Voting is mandatory! + Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] + VOTE: WaveofShadow voted Meapak_Ziphh (post) VOTE: slOosh voted Meapak_Ziphh (post) VOTE: layabout voted meapak ziph (Meapak_Ziphh) (post) VOTE: Palmar voted OdinOfPergo (post) VOTE: OdinOfPergo voted Meapak_Ziphh (post) VOTE: mderg voted ritoky (post) VOTE: Palmar unvoted OdinOfPergo (post) VOTE: Palmar voted Meapak (Meapak_Ziphh) (post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted meapak (Meapak_Ziphh) (post) VOTE: Palmar unvoted Meapak_Ziphh (post) VOTE: Palmar voted ritoky (post) VOTE: Holyflare voted meapak z (Meapak_Ziphh) (post) VOTE: batsnacks voted Meapak_Ziphh (post) VOTE: Meapak_Ziphh voted OdinOfPergo (post) VOTE: IAmRobik voted odinofprego (OdinOfPergo) (post) VOTE: ritoky voted Odinofpergo (OdinOfPergo) (post) VOTE: 27ninjabunnies voted Meapak_Ziphh (post) VOTE: mtamburini voted RITOKY (ritoky) (post) VOTE: Tehpoofter voted Meapek_Z (Meapak_Ziphh) (post) | ||
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Somehow he even knows for a fact that I´m mafia. Sadly he also says that he will not disclose the reasons for that. As far as I know only people of 1 alignment can know the alignment of others for a fact (hint: it´s scum). He is 100% lying here. I´m not scum. explain this then please "only 1 alignment can know the alignment of others (scum)" implies quite obviously that I am scum but if that's the case then you ARE therefore mafia. Then you add on that i'm 100% lying and you're not scum which is: A) Adding unneeded information to state that you're town which is inherently a mafia thing to do B) Disproving the previous half of the statement because if you are town then I can't possibly know your alignment so then what's the point of writing it? | ||
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So really you have a post that is calling me mafia for: Doing something towny Something that was explained but you ignored Illogical reasoning Then you do what you did in cell A and have mutiple people as slightly scummy so that of one fails you can jump to the other and it will be acceptable. | ||
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On June 01 2014 03:39 mderg wrote: A short explanation of what I meant to say in that post. You say that you know I´m scum. This means you either don´t know my alignment thus it means you´re lying. Or this means that you know my alignment and thus are scum. Since I don´t think you should be lying as town it isn´t far fetched to think you´re scum. You've done it again??? If i don't know your alignment then I AM TOWN. IF I KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT AND CALLED YOU SCUM YOU ARE SCUM. if I'm not supposed to "lie" as town that makes mafia so you are thus mafia! | ||
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On June 01 2014 03:46 mderg wrote: Are you actually serious or are you just playing dumb? It's YOUR logic???????????? | ||
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On June 01 2014 03:54 mderg wrote: How can it be this hard to understand??????????? If you are town, you´re lying about knowing my alignment. If you´re mafia, you´re lying about me being mafia and lying in general. So then why is the conclusion mafia? | ||
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Mafia holyflare says he knows town mderg is mafia because of undisclosed reasons. (as if people would listen to this) Town mderg returns so that he can just say he's not mafia and these reasons mean nothing. I have achieved nothing, this is a terrible mafia play and you should feel silly for thinking it is. Town Holyflare says he knows mafia mderg is mafia because of undisclosed reasons but tries his best to elaborate in legal boundary pushing because he believes this to be true but ultimately nothing comes out of it as mafia mderg returns and says lul no reasons! Used to bolster case in later game! Town hf attacks town mderg with what he believes to be true etc etc mderg says lul no reasons hf mafia! Hf gets lynched and flips mafia - mderg safe TOTAL PRO MOVE FOR SETTING UP SUSPICION THERE Hf gets lynched flips town - only real scenario where what i did makes sense and would bolster future town reads | ||
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On June 01 2014 04:03 mderg wrote: I don´t really have to prove to YOU that I´m town. In the end it comes down to proving this to the town member of my cell. No you absolutely have to prove it to me because everything that happens later in the game can be bussed to look good, can be bolstered to look better etc etc. If you are fully accountable for everything now and prove your townyness now they don't have to read into mafia favoured info later. I can't see why youre disagreeing with trying to look towny now rofl? | ||
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On June 01 2014 05:02 mtamburini wrote: That bunnies read is total horseshit which us just as bad as bullshit. She's a try hard as either alignment. To say someone wouldn't put that much effort as scum is redonkulous. My vote is leaning towards HF but I haven't read any filters yet I'll be back in about 3 hours or so going to watch mls game tfc vs the crew field level seats And since when have you played enough forum mafia to decide when things are horse shit or not? It's not the effort it's the effort when it didn't need to be done. if you can really say bunnies is mafia over mderg and layabout you honestly have no concept of what's going on in this game at all. | ||
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On June 01 2014 05:20 batsnacks wrote: Holyflare if it didn't need to be done, what was the motivation for doing it? I don't think town gains anything from her going tryhard on filtering people at the end of the day when 1 person already has the overwhelming majority of votes and no one is showing any signs of switching. Exactly, which is why it's so unlikely for mafia to do that much effort when the mislynch is pretty much set in stone. Mafia don't generally go to more troible than they need to do which is why it boggles my mind why you say bunnies is the mafia over both mderg who spread his scum read over all 3 people and then voted ritoky for mediocre reasoning or layabout who did....? | ||
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On June 01 2014 05:39 batsnacks wrote: I think she went tryhard at the end of the day just to look pro town while finishing MZ. The things she chooses to take issue with are really weak a lot of the time, like recent example: Her filter dives at the end of day 1 were just repeats of what everyone else was saying at the beginning of the day. She said every game tambo tries to get her lynched and every game she is town. That would annoy the shit out of me and i would be grated everytime that person posted something accusing me. Re:steveling golden sun You still haven't clarified why her putting in a lot of effort to go through filters and say what's already been said (an inevitability of going through a scrutinised filter) makes her mafia over the points i raised on mderg or the lack of anything from layabout. | ||
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On June 01 2014 06:17 batsnacks wrote: I've already read everyone's filter. My conclusion is that bunnies is mafia in Cell E. I understand the points you are trying to make about mderg but bunnies is still scummier to me. Lets talk about Cell D. You said you honestly have no clue. If Cell D were today and the deadline was now, who would you vote? Fortunately I'm in a spot where i don't have to do that. So you say bunnies is mafia but only give reasons why she is likely town. So what about layabout? Sloosh, while i think he's scum that doesn't stop me arguing over points using logic that aren't mathematically sound when the person pushing it says they are. | ||
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On June 01 2014 09:25 mtamburini wrote: So the other 2 are town and voted on the ML on day 1 is what your saying? You should be giving reads other than bunnies for a while because you are extremely unaccountable for what's happened so far. | ||
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On June 01 2014 10:12 batsnacks wrote: Bolded part are all your words, not mine. Don't give me this crap like "if you can really say bunnies is mafia over mderg and layabout you honestly have no concept of what's going on in this game at all." That's the rhetorical equivalent of you mashing your keyboard because someone disagreed with you. Have a little more respect for people's opinions and why they are expressing them. No one is going to listen to you if you just shit on every opinion that's different from yours. Do you think me calling bunnies scum helps me or scum team at all? It doesn't. I shared that information with you because you told me who you thought was scum. I think bunnies is mafia because even though she says a lot of STUFF, most of the stuff she says is weak, unnecessary, and doesn't move town forward in any positive direction. And why wouldn't you tell me who you think mafia is in group D? Why is it fortunate that you're in a spot where you "don't have to?" I want to compare my reads with yours. I've explained why the reasons you posted were more likely to come from a town mindset rather than a scums. At no point did i "shit all over your reads", what is a more likely mafia mindset to you. Filter diving everyone in a cell when a locked in lynch is going to happen and posting walls of text Or Sitting back doing not much and complaining about nothing happening Or Sitting back and scum reading everyone and then choosing the non wagon at the end of the day with weak reasoning If you still think it's 1 your read is fundamentally flawed for finding mafia mindsets and I can't trust it, 2 and 3 are where the scum are and that's mderg and layabout. I can't give a read on d because they haven't posted anything to get a proper read on. | ||
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On June 01 2014 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: i...bolded the specifics? ._. fine, ill humor you. youre calling a lot of the posts he has in his filter towny but youre still scumreading him. theres a huge problem with your case if you keep calling someone towny and then vote them anyway. He's saying one post in his filter is towny? That post is also an easy excuse for mafia to not sheep a read. He says he follows consensus on read for odin without reading and he also scum read mz. If he knew town consensus was on mz then it was very very very likely mz would get bussed so this is a bs excuse to use at the time. | ||
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On June 01 2014 12:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: so robik is actually scum because he didn't want to believe that mz was getting bussed? and then he proceeded to vote odin anyway because his reads changed. rofl. okay. Read sloosh post. Votes stacked @5, robik knew consensus was on mz being scum. Nobody else looked like a real candidate. Bussing almost inevitable at that point. 2 cell members join, shouldn't change his read at all because bus very highly likely still. Robiks only reason for voting odin was the bussing. I made this post in my post of reads today. Also weird posts wave pointed out etc etc. | ||
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On June 01 2014 12:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: how i read your case: "this persons reads shouldnt change because i dont think they shouldve changed because of a thing that happened in the thread." i guess contextual reads dont exist either. You are implying he had reads to begin with. Why are you defending robik so much. He had 0 reasons for mz to be town. Absolutely 0, he had said so himself. Consensus was on mz by almost everyone bar 2-3 ppl (a very likely number in a bussing situation) and he had a town read on the person he voted for. His only only only reason for switching is an inevitability that would happen to a caught scum anyway. Nothing to do with what I think should have happened, it's what is obvious to robik if he actually thought that process was occurring. If you don't think it's robik then why is it batsnacks? | ||
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On June 01 2014 12:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote: because the reasons people are scumreading him arent really consistent with his posts. he clearly had a reason for why he thought mz was town: the fact that both members of his cell were voting him. he had 0 reasons otherwise, which is something youre misrepresenting in your post. and the reason im defending him is because i dont think hes scum. lol. what a weird thing to say. though one thing i think is really funny: lol. ##vote: holyflare Are you really being this obtuse? I'm saying that's exactly the reason WHY you should be scum reading him. His ONLY reason was that. His mindset is that there is a consensus on mz being scum. His mindset would include bussing as highly likely because if mz was scum he couldn't not be bussed so close to deadlone. His first reaction to people in his cell voting for mz is not bussing, which is where his mindset was, it's that mz is town with 1....ONLY 1 "confirmed" mafia on his lynch. That is not consistent in the slightest. | ||
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I think you're quite likely to be scum in cell d because sloosh is actually asking questions and critically thinking and tamburini is doing things that look like they make sense to him while you are just disputing things that are true and then afking the rest of the time. I haven't seen a read of yours change this game. | ||
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On June 01 2014 13:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: robik should probably post his own defense. and for the record, i find your logic for voting robik exceedingly thin. So robik was town to you, that means that batsnacks and me are mafia. If the towny response (by robik you say) was to not vote mz. Why was your vote on mz? You also cannot complain to me about thin logic. Reason for voting ritoky mayor: On May 28 2014 14:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: this ritoky guy has spunk. ##vote: ritoky Reason for voting mz: On May 30 2014 12:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote: no dice. also the scum in cell a is meapak and ill get to that when i get the chance. ive got this guy by poe and because of the plot hole spackle he has in his reads Even though you said nothing about town reading odin at that point and did not explain the plot hole situation at all. You even defend robik by saying so town cz moved off mz for no bus reasons after saying: bussing is likely though. And seeing poofter (someone who plays a shit tonne with robik) say: On May 31 2014 06:12 Tehpoofter wrote: You know full and we'll the meta in cell mafia is try for ML but bus the obv scum. Your posting activity makes me think you're town but your logic and content makes me think you're scum. | ||
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On June 02 2014 00:12 mtamburini wrote: If I can trust you and you can trust me on the town read we have on one person in the cell it's simply Poe. I do feel that if you are town you've allowed HF to pocket you due to the fact of my excessive tunnel of you which makes me think he is more scum then bat. The only thing you've really done this entire game is tunnel bunnies for similar reactions that she had in golden sun (which again you did really not much in) so yes, I told you to stop tunneling on: A) a person who i think is town B) someone who is in the last cell It's my cell today and only 1/3 (2 at a stretch) people are trying to solve the game in this cell while everybody else twiddles their thumbs or afk's. You need to be commenting on why you think people other than bunnies are mafia because if "hf is pocketing bunnies" like you imply then you've spent the entirety of your filter tunneling someone who is town and wasting time. | ||
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On June 02 2014 01:33 batsnacks wrote: I'm getting tired of these dumb passive aggressive comments you make all the time. Half of your 50 page filter is probably bitching about how you're the only person trying. I'm sorry what? The last time i saw you do anythong was day 1. The only thing you've done today is ask people for their reads on cell d and e and talk about your policy of putting mayor cells first. You disputed a bunnies read for points that most likely make her town and then completely overlook the fact that layabout said he was playing like mafia all game abd don't even want to question mderg. You don't try and figure out who is mafia in our cell, the only thing you are doing at an attempt is to ask robik some useless question that you answered in your own post "you'd vote mz if it wasn't for me right?!" I've yet to see any real analysis about things like your day 1 post at all abd it's very easy for you to skate by doing the things you are doing. I do not care if you don't like my passi e aggressiveness because that stems from the futility of me putting in effort to a game where people signed up with the disclaimer of being active and then fucked off for the entire game. On May 30 2014 13:07 Holyflare wrote: He's playing in your other game. He has no interest in this game whatsoever, he says he won't play the mayor bit but then never returns. He's usually pretty trolly as town who isn't playing but he isn't even that here (his tambo thing was just shitty and atypical palmar troll). He most likely won't start playing till late tomorrow or even at my cells lynch and then try and control the pace of the game after I'm dead. You absolutely lynch palmar tomorrow no matter what he says or how much effort he puts in. He has been completely useless this entire game and is mafia. You lynch robik today becquse shiaopi did nothing abd had accusations based on nothing and robik has equally done nothing. I can probably see tambo being town but i still don't know, it's very likely smurf in that cell because of what he was doing earlier. If it ever gets to the last cell you choose between layabout and mderg and don't even think about bunnies | ||
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On June 02 2014 01:58 batsnacks wrote: Most of your filter is about activity. Everything you said in that post above me is about activity. All of your logic seems to stem from how active people are playing and you don't consider anything else. If someone is active, then by your logic they are automatically more townie than someone who is playing less active. You have the highest activity in this game, therefore you are the towniest person in this game, by your logic. It's really not. Palmar is partly activity based yes, moreso because i got a town read on poofter and more of a town read on wave from his posting at the mz lynch. Robik isn't activity based at all. It's a read based on shiaopi's posting of surface level reads that weren't actually true and then on top of that robik's posts about bussing when he has played cell mafia before and knows bussing is a major thing that happens (poofter pointed this out) Cell D is ridiculous because of the lack of activity. Sloosh posted 1 case i liked and hasnt really done anything but when he is around he interacts a bit, although very limited. Smurf hasn't changed his reads ever and made a bad case and then complained about flimsy logic when, as I pointed out, he hadn't used logic this entire game. Tambo is tunneling on 1 person who i think is town based on her responses (that align with her attitude last game) and her willingness to do things when not needed, no matter how weak you say they were (they weren't really weak at all, you still haven't explained why they are) but he is actually posting things which show some kind of critical thinking albeit in a weird newbie forum mafia kind of way (associations/omgus cases). Bunnies is very towny. Layabout lived up to his name and did nothing really, he even queried last page why nobody picked up on him for playing like scum which is actually quite a towny observation out of the blue and he said something small about odin day 1 "what scummy things has he done" which was really succinct and a good thing to point out. Mderg has spread suspicion on every player that is up for lynch in every cell and then picked the one that wasn't the main ml for lackluster reasons and scum reads people for reasons he town reads others for. So no, almost none of it is activity based thanks, and it's pretty obvious you have no idea. Try again. | ||
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-.- 2 replaces, 1 remove/replace, many afkers afting signing up to a game with a disclaimer from the host: On May 05 2014 03:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd like to request that players who sign up are willing to put in the time to play this game. Don't sign up unless you know you can commit a decent amount of time to the game. There's little downtime in this game compared to others due to there being no nights. The thread can get quite big. Get me out of here. | ||
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On June 02 2014 03:10 Palmar wrote: Also how sure are you it's robik and not batsnacks? I honestly have no idea anymore. I'd say robik because of his actions at mz lynch and general lack of reading anything/inconsistent reads. | ||
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On June 02 2014 03:25 Palmar wrote: Also please link me the posts you want me too read holyflare. I'm going to make a snap judgment on your alignment based on them so it's in your benefit as either alignment to do it I'd rather you vote me to end the game quicker | ||
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On June 02 2014 03:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: the game ends for you in a couple hours regardless of how we lynch, so at least try to get it right. No it doesn't because I'll still be reading. | ||
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On June 02 2014 03:30 Palmar wrote: The game will be over as far as you're concerned tonight anyway what kind of a shit martyr play is this. I'm tired of you being lazy and i don't care if you're town because you are genuinely one of the players that has made this game so unemployable so do your own fucking work. | ||
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On June 02 2014 03:36 Palmar wrote: Only one of us was voting a townie yesterday and it wasn't me. Don't cry because I don't need 20 pages of filter to get shit done Funny how you're so sure you weren't voting a towny either isn't it. | ||
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Don't really care. | ||
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No i cared enough to inform you that i don't value your opinion on this matter. | ||
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On June 02 2014 03:57 batsnacks wrote: "i cared" - Holyflare Also you say if I'm mafia I should vote you. You say if I'm town I should vote you. Right now I just want to vote the people that would make me the maddest if they won as mafia. That would be you, Palmar, sloosh, and bunnies. So really 2/4 of your targets are based on activity! Oh the irony! | ||
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On June 02 2014 04:02 batsnacks wrote: No 4/4 of my targets are based on me not wanting them to win as mafia. And for what reason do you not want sloosh /palmar to not win as mafia? | ||
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On June 02 2014 04:29 Palmar wrote: You've seen multiple players do it over the course of mafia and you not always autolynch them. You're mad because my slot has my name attached to it. Because i hold you to a higher standard than that and you were in the last cell mafia where the game was literally shit and ended day 2 because of afking. | ||
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On June 02 2014 04:36 Palmar wrote: To be honest, HF really has to be mafia, and he's playing against his win condition as either alignment. I hope he gets at least a warning for this. If he wants to martyr we should kill him. It's annoying as fuck and it's terrible and selfish play by him. Requesting to be lynched is about as low as it gets and I'm surprised HF goes that low. I honestly hope he's mafia because it's so fucking ironic that he's complaining about other players not putting in effort while deliberately trying to throw the game himself, no matter his alignment. Like he's by far the worst offender here. Yeh I've spent 3 days trying to win this game only for you to tell me to shape up. I will most definitely be following up on YOUR warning when you agreed by /in this game to be active as laid out by the host. | ||
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This game is entirely different from ver's game because vers game is a normal mafia game with normal mechanics and vig shots to get rid of lurkers. This game REQUIRES you to be active because each day a group of 3 people are required to give reads on others by virtue of their game play. Which you have none. Cell D is equally bad albeit not a total failure of playing like you have done and cell E is actually okish to make reads on. That's 1 cell being active. Even in my cell a guy is out for the entirety of the weekend so he is now effectively useless at being read if he's town and the other guy is at least trying to do something but likes to just point out things that don't make sense and get angry at passive aggressiveness rather than formulate reads like he did day 1. It's the reason that you were mafia in cell 1 that if you were town this game you know you HAVE to be active. Mafia won so easily last time because people were just not around in the slightest and mafia could just post with no rebuttle. For you to then come back after doing nothing and tell me this is shit play and i should get warnd is a fucking joke and i really do hope this game ends right now to avoid further punishment for anyone other than you. | ||
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On June 02 2014 04:48 Palmar wrote: So how about you fucking stop acting like a spoiled child because you don't get to control how people play the game, and instead try to convince me and the rest of town to vote someone that isn't you. It's actually sort of likely that mafia just lost a vote, I feel like WoS was the most likely to be mafia in my cell, so they might have only 3 votes to work with today. Giving up now is just shit. Fuck off, do your own work. Read my filter and decide yourself. I'm just not going to post in this game anymore. | ||
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On February 19 2014 17:09 Holyflare wrote: We knew I could swing the vote but I decided to drag it on as long as possible for more town cred which played out pretty well. Also, I didn't fake that anger at palmar etc, I was genuinely annoyed that nobody was discussing anything but still voting when people gave no reasoning, hence why it seemed genuine. Quote from survivor end game. What a dishonest reasoning palmar is pushing rather than "just being annoyed". | ||
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##vote batsnacks Not saying shit about 2 leading wagons. Only questions today to solve our alignments were useless ones already answered. Switch gives info for you guys later. | ||
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On June 02 2014 06:18 27ninjabunnies wrote: Batsnacks read on holyflare has to do with me, so it would make sense that he is questioning me, and i view him townie for it. I think you are wrong. Does batsnacks look like he's trying to figure me out via you or does he just look like he is pointing things out which you do as town every game, which I've told him repeatedly. Does he try and figure me or robik out? He even said robik was most likely the mafia here but is voting me. Every point made against him or others he just calls "passive aggressive" and doesn't comment on anything that was said in it at all. I was his town read earlier and he was still doing that. On June 02 2014 06:19 slOosh wrote: Wait why are people voting holyflare? Why would scum get pissed off at inactivity? Because palmar said so rofl. | ||
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On June 02 2014 06:23 Palmar wrote: What the fuck kind of logic is this. Holyflare was raging at inactivity as scum in that game where he did this shit before. Lynch him On June 02 2014 05:35 Holyflare wrote: Quote from survivor end game. What a dishonest reasoning palmar is pushing rather than "just being annoyed". | ||
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On June 02 2014 06:38 Palmar wrote: batsnacks who's mafia in your cell and who's mafia in future cells. BTW batsnacks is 100% not mafia. If it's not HF it's robik. batsnacks realized I'm town and it makes no sense to do that if he's mafia. Trust me, lynch HF, if it's not him, it's Robik. You said it's 100% me don't start squirming out now. | ||
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##unvote ##vote robik | ||
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On June 02 2014 06:55 batsnacks wrote: Holyflare I still think you're scum this is just to save myself So you want to save yourself as town to vote for someone you think is town? Rofl | ||
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##vote batsnacks What i just said.. Layabout didn't switch. He's probably mafia. | ||
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##vote robik Just cz | ||
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On June 04 2014 21:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Batsnacks, that's what I was planning. HF, that'd have an even bigger focus on the order with a vote on it each day. Don't think that'd be good. You need it because some ppl become unlynchable amd just afk | ||
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