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My thoughts so far:
I really like bunnies´ play so far. It´s just screaming town to me. This would also mean that layabout is scum. Since layabout´s contributions are pretty much only pointing out common knowledge my cell seems straightforward to me.
I don´t like how ritoky played the freedom thing at all. But his suggested cell order is well reasoned and makes sense. So I think he´s town and I may even consider voting for him as mayor.
I don´t really like M_Z because he is so into the freedom thing and kinda buddied with ritoky. He also called the meta case on Palmar "a pretty damning meta case". IMO it´s something to look into but definitely not even close to a 100% scum tell.
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On May 28 2014 17:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 10:20 WaveofShadow wrote:I don't have much to say about Palmar right now. What I commented is exactly what I think. If he fucked up and did the exact same thing he did as scum in Cell I, then it will be a hilarious reason to lynch him, but that's now why I currently think he is scum. I don't think I'd ever base a scumread solely off of that. The reason I believe him to be scum is because it is way more likely to me that Poofter is town. That one's based on his very first comment of the game too, hence this: On May 28 2014 08:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 28 2014 08:10 Tehpoofter wrote:
Oh shit Palmer or Wos mafia.
WoS how happy are you to be in this game bro?
Starting the read.
@mtamburini I hope you have your fake claim ready mine is this:
I have rolled Bouncer. You have 2 abilities which you can use only one. They are a) Bounce - Once during the game take a cell from the front of the line to the back. b) Cuts - Once during the game take any cell and place it at the front of the line.
What is your claim tambo? I have like 3 more I thought of yesterday if you need to borrow one for when we lynch you. Very happy. MZ who is the scum in my cell now that two of us have posted, go! looks like my coinflip was right, you're way to apologetic about calling me mafia. At least poofter has balls.
Not sure how you get aplogetic out of that. Simple process of elimination bru. I guess I can't exactly expect you to roll over and die though I suppose, and you do always seem to think you can get me lynched as eiher alignment when you never can.
The only think I got out of your post here though is that you're lying about not reading the game and trying to seem more nonchalant than you actually are. No idea at all why you would be doing that lolololol.
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On May 28 2014 21:12 Palmar wrote:
##vote mtamburini
Why would you vote tamburini when the only thing he has contributed is stuff about RNG, and then disappears?
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On May 29 2014 00:14 mderg wrote:
My thoughts so far:
I really like bunnies´ play so far. It´s just screaming town to me. This would also mean that layabout is scum. Since layabout´s contributions are pretty much only pointing out common knowledge my cell seems straightforward to me.
I don´t like how ritoky played the freedom thing at all. But his suggested cell order is well reasoned and makes sense. So I think he´s town and I may even consider voting for him as mayor.
I don´t really like M_Z because he is so into the freedom thing and kinda buddied with ritoky. He also called the meta case on Palmar "a pretty damning meta case". IMO it´s something to look into but definitely not even close to a 100% scum tell.
So at first you weren't going to vote for ritoky as mayor, but now you are considering it.
What about his cell order seems reasonable?
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On May 28 2014 21:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
OdinOfPergo replaces thrawn2112.
you replaced in as mafia, how does it feeeeeeeel? :O
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On May 29 2014 01:12 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 00:14 mderg wrote:
My thoughts so far:
I really like bunnies´ play so far. It´s just screaming town to me. This would also mean that layabout is scum. Since layabout´s contributions are pretty much only pointing out common knowledge my cell seems straightforward to me.
I don´t like how ritoky played the freedom thing at all. But his suggested cell order is well reasoned and makes sense. So I think he´s town and I may even consider voting for him as mayor.
I don´t really like M_Z because he is so into the freedom thing and kinda buddied with ritoky. He also called the meta case on Palmar "a pretty damning meta case". IMO it´s something to look into but definitely not even close to a 100% scum tell.
So at first you weren't going to vote for ritoky as mayor, but now you are considering it. What about his cell order seems reasonable?
Yeah, when I skimmed through this thread, only his freedom/murrica posts came to my mind but after reading carefully I saw that he also had serious posts and elaborated on his thought process.
On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads? In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already. The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews). Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B. The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk.
Wanting his cell first makes sense, if he is pretty sure who the scum is in there. Even though I don´t agree with his read in that.
His suspicion about ShiaoPi seemed warranted. Not a strong read but with the information from the first lynch I think one can make a good read of cell C.
Cell B is the one I´m not sure about, so I wouldn´t put it at the start or the end.
At that point there was little information on cell E, so putting it late seemed reasonable. Cell D was also not even close to figured out.
At this point in the game I wouldn´t go with ritoky´s order anymore because the state of the game changed. When he suggested it it was reasonable, though. I think cell E and D should be earlier while cell C should be later on. So in case ritoky is willing to change the cell order to fit the ongoings and elaborates on his thoughts I´m willing to vote for him. If he wants to stick to his earlier suggestions, I´m not voting for him.
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Okay, we have ritoky and holyflare advocating for mayor. Is there anyone outside of those two who want to be mayor, or does anyone think someone outside of those two should be mayor?
I agree above with mderg on his reads of ritoky's cell order. It makes sense.
Now that my cell has talked, im leaning more towards layabout being scum here. His initial posts into the thread have been highly lacking, and mderg has put more thought into his posts than lay.
Id still want my cell to go second or third in order to get a better read on the two players in my cell with me.
Im not sure about the order of the rest of the cells, ill have to give that a thought.
Now that odin has replaced thrawn, i want to see his posts, but i think having that cell go first might be more beneficial for town because of the already town reads on mz and ritoky, but then again, odin might be town and just hasnt talked yet.
Cell b is pretty interesting. Palmer with his tamburini vote for mayor seems way off the wall, especially since all tamburini has talked about was his rng case, which i find very stupid to use in this setup.
Ill give reads on other cells after i read through a bit more filters.
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I would have liked to have gotten this out last night (EST) but I was too tired. I'm going to paraphrase a bunch of stuff I wrote down as I was reading, I tried to make a note for each person:
Cell A
ritoky - I'm not a fan of the "murica" thing. It's cheap and fake. Also it removes accountability because later he can just say he was being silly and adding flavor. What I do like is that he was the first, and is as of writing this the only, candidate to publish a group order.
Meapak_Ziphh - Teamed with ritoky immediately against thrawn. Most of his reasoning for teaming with ritoky seems to be the "murica" thing, which I don't like. This MZ/ritoky team has momentum right now. If he is mafia he is going along with the "murica" parade to kill OdinOfPergo, who recently replaced thrawn.
OdinOfPergo - recently replaced thrawn, no posts.
Cell B
Palmar - Tehpoofter made a meta case against him; would Palmar do the exact same thing two games in a row as mafia? I don't think anyone can answer that question, so I don't feel very strongly about the case against him. Aside from that he's acting like he doesn't care.
Tehpoofter - My notes say "initially voted for the lols." I don't like that at all. He also made a hard fos at Palmar. I mentioned I don't feel very strongly about his fos, but I am still happy he made it.
WaveofShadow - First posts were extremely adamant about keeping HolyFlare away from mayor; reason being he doesn't want HolyFlare to have "power." Offers to be mayor himself if it keeps the position away from HolyFlare. Later on, he made a comment on the mayor role being "mostly useless." If the role is mostly useless, why so adamant about HolyFlare not getting it and why offer to be mayor if you don't care? My notes then have the following in quotes: "I did say I don't really care who else gets it for the most part, didn't I?"
Cell C
HolyFlare - Wants to be mayor, badly. Does not believe in having a plan. Does not believe it matters who is elected mayor. I didn't like his "elect me" post for the same reason I didn't like ritoky's; too cheap and fake.
batsnacks - I think I should have posted more last night
ShiaoPi - My notes say "lots of questions but doesn't follow up."
Cell D
mtamburini - Has only talked about rng this game. Palmar seemingly randomly voted for him and asked others to join. My notes say "hasn't made any mistakes."
ObiWanShinobi - Doesn't explain actions when asked. A lot of his responses seem designed to halt conversation.
slOosh - I like his reasons for voting ritoky. My notes say "good followup game."
Cell E
layabout - Didn't run for mayor and doesn't want the rest of his group being elected.
27ninjabunnies - Highly conversational. Has possibly communicated with more people this game than anyone else. Made a jab at layabout for posting only "common knowledge."
mderg - Attempted to buddy with bunnies against layabout. Used the exact same reason as bunnies "layabout posting common knowledge." I don't like this at all.
PROPOSED CELL ORDER:
C, A, B, E, D
It's similar to ritoky's with one primary difference. I think the rikoty/MZ team in cell A has too much momentum right now to lynch first. I want to see where that momentum goes and I want to give Odin at least the extra day. If rikoty or MZ are mafia, lynching group A first is making it way too easy for them. I put groups D/E last because I feel like I know the least about them at this point in time.
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Nothing has totaallyyyyyy changed since this last read thing but people HAVE appeared and talked and then left, don't like it.
Cell A:
This cell should prove to be the most obvious cell there is. Ritoky pretty much universally town read and MZ was talking a lot (albeit pretty much nonsense). Odin might change things around a bit but in all honesty that is not likely to be the case because thrawn replaced and i'm gonna be a dick and say it's because he was mafia. Sorry, if you're town odin you need to somehow shit town rainbows in the next day or two.
Cell B:
Palmar refusing to read the mayor elections day but still acting like he's getting reads out of nothing. Says he was gonna read but then didn't. Trolling about. Would lynch even if wave gives me scummy feelz. Poofter told me before he was afraid to post as mafia and he didn't seem afraid in the early few hours of the game hence the early town read.
Cell C:
I am super town hero mayor. Batsnacks only post presented options for cell ordering which is pretty much just policy talk and half of it was erroneous. Nothing from him since but it's annoying because shiaopi was super tunnely based on nothing and got scum reads based off nothing so it's kind of hard for me to see him as town either -.- more talk plzzzzzzz
Cell D:
This cell should be last, always last. 0 town reads in it and all of them being equally absent. Sloosh did research, albeit wrong research, but looked like he had a train of thought to go along with which made me lean slightlyyy more towny on him but not enough to add him to green list. Smurf is just pretty much trolling and got all aggro on me when i town read sloosh for what i stated previously, looks jelly of town hunting skillz. Tambo..... rng and useless.
Cell E:
Bunnies pretty much towny for trying to actually see wtf is up with people and presenting reads. Liked her initial order etc. Layabout from UK so hard to hate but he has really done like nothing. Mderg on the other hand hasn't really said much but from the little he's said it looks like he's willing to start contributing so that cell can be left for one before last because 2/3 people are talking in it
Order:
A > B > C > E > D
The cells with the most people talking in should be easier to get +town points. Cell A is an obvious start and Cell B also has all 3 people talking too, even if palmar is being palmar. My cell also has had all 3 people kinda talk but it's not enough to get a good read on the other two yet so i've left that for 3rd so they get more time to actually say something. If the game continues past this then cell E should most definitely be before D because D is a massive coin flip at the moment whereas E has people talking.
As for mayor, I don't really care if it's me or ritoky as we both have similar ideas for ordering. I would prefer myself obviously because I know i'm town but I understand the people's fears of not trusting me so that's fine.
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ill be on later tonight. got stuff to do. ill give you all words to shove into your faces and you'll all havve no choice but to townread me.
also ill totes anchor for town.
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I want to go ahead and vote for myself too real quick to remind people that I'm running.
##vote batsnacks
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hmmmm, i keep switching between scummy and towny on batsnacks for the reason that he put C first!
Like as a towny he'll be like: "oh, holyflare is kinda contributing and being useful but shiaopi is doing not much but baseless accusations, I'm town so that makes our cell easy!"
As mafia he'd be like: "oh, i'm mafia and holyflare is talking a lot but shiaopi's accusations are baseless and holyflare doesn't like him so it should be easy to mislynch shiaopi"
Can't decide. I think it's more likely the towny response but it's giving me a lot of hesitation.
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Can you explain your thought process of putting C first over A and B. Afaik there aren't that many people ACTUALLY town reading mz, just ritoky.
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On May 29 2014 02:35 Holyflare wrote:
Can you explain your thought process of putting C first over A and B. Afaik there aren't that many people ACTUALLY town reading mz, just ritoky.
I didn't put A first because I think the rikoty/MZ team has too much momentum against Odin and I think it would be smart to see where that momentum goes with an extra day. I think if rikoty or MZ are mafia we are making it too easy by letting them go first.
I put C before B because I feel like I personally have a better intuitive grasp on our group than B's group.
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also watch out for putting big name cells first. I read last game and palmar got a free pass day 1 because everyone wanted him to solve the game immediately.
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On May 29 2014 02:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
also watch out for putting big name cells first. I read last game and palmar got a free pass day 1 because everyone wanted him to solve the game immediately.
cell mafia 1 was an abomination, nothing in that game was a proper mafia game
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