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On May 29 2014 03:44 slOosh wrote:
batsnacks, why C before B?
On May 29 2014 02:39 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 02:35 Holyflare wrote:
Can you explain your thought process of putting C first over A and B. Afaik there aren't that many people ACTUALLY town reading mz, just ritoky. I didn't put A first because I think the rikoty/MZ team has too much momentum against Odin and I think it would be smart to see where that momentum goes with an extra day. I think if rikoty or MZ are mafia we are making it too easy by letting them go first. I put C before B because I feel like I personally have a better intuitive grasp on our group than B's group.
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Oh and I just saw that last post which echoed my sentiments early on order allong with the realization of 3-0.
Hmmm.
A little late to get a mind meld read off of that imo. He's no MZ. Still could be scum.
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I don't really like Rit's push for mayor. The whole way he words things seems flashy and contrived.
I have to really look at the motivation for it but I like what Bat said tbh.
If cell A goes first, scum get a easy ride on day1. Like everyone already knows I'm the lynch target in cell A.
Now assuming Rit is not scum, why would he push so hard for his own cell to go first when one of his members hasn't even posted? That's a big bet to take if your town. You're literally basing your first lynch on a coinflip.
So it's pretty obvious Palmar is the scum in B.
Holyflare is kind of making me worry too.
-Push for mayor super weird
-has a ton of filler post
-has a few prodding post with not so much follow up
Then again I'm going to just admit I have a hard time reading HF. So while I find HF to look odd, he does do this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum. But I don't think C is good group to go today anyway. So we'll have more time to see how it develops.
Between mderg/layabout I'm having a hard time.
Layabout is living up to his name. A few short filler post and he's gone.
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural.
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On May 29 2014 03:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 03:24 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:21 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 03:17 slOosh wrote:On May 29 2014 02:53 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 02:50 slOosh wrote:On May 29 2014 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
if sloosh does not post soon after posting in detention then he could actually be mafia btw And if I post I'm mafia? Quite the loaded statement here. how does that statement make sense :o? you posted in another game and hadn't posted here yet, people that don't really want to focus on a second game over their first are usually mafia who don't care but you've posted now (albeit nothing noteworthy) so it's all cool  The idea is that one could easily follow up with "hey he is mafia and only posting when called out". Which you would think people would realize is a pretty frail reason to lynch someone, but I've been mislynched enough times to overestimate the general townie's perceptive abilities. well i didn't do that so whatever :D On May 29 2014 02:58 mderg wrote:
Am I the only one here who wants cell C to go late? Right now I can´t read that at all.
Hf´s mayor campaign seemed townie but at some point I started to find it strange how he didn´t want to take responsibility for the cell order. So my read on him is kinda null.
batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that.
ShiaoPi is like a huge question mark for me right now.
So for me this is the last cell I´d want to go first. ^ On reflection this is really disingenuous. He starts by saying "Am i the only one here who wants cell C late" but not many people said C should go first. In fact, batsnacks is like the only person to say that and that was on the last page. If he DID in fact read the last page then what he said about batsnacks can't possibly be true. He just got specific and gave the order with C in front and explained his reasoning behind it. I also explained the order i'd like and reads on people and why I picked that order but he left that out. So really, he's made up some strange things here. You´re making shit up now. When I say late, I mean late, not in the middle of the game. What I said about batsnacks was specifically about the post with the general guidelines. I'm not making anything up. You just said you were up to date with the game and read the last page. On the last page batsnacks doesn't follow the metric about lynching the lowest contributing cells at all. He does quite the opposite. I started the day with no plan for cells because half the people in the game hadn't spoken yet. That should be obvious. I have made a post with a cell order that you should actually like but you didn't comment on that, you decided to pick up on the start of the game which shows you aren't evolving your reads as time goes on. Why, if you are up to date, do your reads not account for anything that happened since the last time you posted?
On the last page batsnacks doesn´t follow the metric about lynching the lowest contributing cells, that´s right. But that doesn´t change the fact that he wanted to do that earlier. And it´s not like it wasn´t mentioned before, so he only got rid of that idea after it got called out. My slight townread on him makes sense considering that he later posted an elaborated lynch order and I didn´t really like his start.
Why are you the one to decide which posts I should like? Your reads on cell A and B are not something I agree with. You basically have thrawn as mafia because he didn´t post at all and got replaced. Also I am not that sure about Palmar being scum. Why would he do the same shit as the game before where he was scum. It just feels strange.
Your actual reasoning for the cell order is based almost only on activity then. Activity itself doesn´t make cells easier to read (for me at least).
Tell me why I should like your post!
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On May 29 2014 03:50 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 03:28 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 03:24 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:21 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 03:17 slOosh wrote:On May 29 2014 02:53 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 02:50 slOosh wrote:On May 29 2014 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
if sloosh does not post soon after posting in detention then he could actually be mafia btw And if I post I'm mafia? Quite the loaded statement here. how does that statement make sense :o? you posted in another game and hadn't posted here yet, people that don't really want to focus on a second game over their first are usually mafia who don't care but you've posted now (albeit nothing noteworthy) so it's all cool The idea is that one could easily follow up with "hey he is mafia and only posting when called out". Which you would think people would realize is a pretty frail reason to lynch someone, but I've been mislynched enough times to overestimate the general townie's perceptive abilities. well i didn't do that so whatever :D On May 29 2014 02:58 mderg wrote:
Am I the only one here who wants cell C to go late? Right now I can´t read that at all.
Hf´s mayor campaign seemed townie but at some point I started to find it strange how he didn´t want to take responsibility for the cell order. So my read on him is kinda null.
batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that.
ShiaoPi is like a huge question mark for me right now.
So for me this is the last cell I´d want to go first. ^ On reflection this is really disingenuous. He starts by saying "Am i the only one here who wants cell C late" but not many people said C should go first. In fact, batsnacks is like the only person to say that and that was on the last page. If he DID in fact read the last page then what he said about batsnacks can't possibly be true. He just got specific and gave the order with C in front and explained his reasoning behind it. I also explained the order i'd like and reads on people and why I picked that order but he left that out. So really, he's made up some strange things here. You´re making shit up now. When I say late, I mean late, not in the middle of the game. What I said about batsnacks was specifically about the post with the general guidelines. I'm not making anything up. You just said you were up to date with the game and read the last page. On the last page batsnacks doesn't follow the metric about lynching the lowest contributing cells at all. He does quite the opposite. I started the day with no plan for cells because half the people in the game hadn't spoken yet. That should be obvious. I have made a post with a cell order that you should actually like but you didn't comment on that, you decided to pick up on the start of the game which shows you aren't evolving your reads as time goes on. Why, if you are up to date, do your reads not account for anything that happened since the last time you posted? On the last page batsnacks doesn´t follow the metric about lynching the lowest contributing cells, that´s right. But that doesn´t change the fact that he wanted to do that earlier. And it´s not like it wasn´t mentioned before, so he only got rid of that idea after it got called out. My slight townread on him makes sense considering that he later posted an elaborated lynch order and I didn´t really like his start. Why are you the one to decide which posts I should like? Your reads on cell A and B are not something I agree with. You basically have thrawn as mafia because he didn´t post at all and got replaced. Also I am not that sure about Palmar being scum. Why would he do the same shit as the game before where he was scum. It just feels strange. Your actual reasoning for the cell order is based almost only on activity then. Activity itself doesn´t make cells easier to read (for me at least). Tell me why I should like your post!
I never said you should like or not like things specifically because of what the content was, I'm saying that nothing in your reads accounts for that at all. Your only reasoning on your return is from stuff that had already happened when you appeared the first time and didn't comment on. Stuff happened since then which should or should not have affected the reads you returned with. You can't say
batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that.
but now suddenly say
My slight townread on him makes sense considering that he later posted an elaborated lynch order and I didn´t really like his start.
That doesn't make sense at all. You didn't mention his elaboration. Why would you even say that you didn't like that he didn't elaborate but then town read him for elaborating? Those 2 things do not add up. The whole first quote says nothing whatsoever about his new post making you town read him slightly, it's all attributed to his early game posts.
Activity is the only real metric you should actually be using because more activity is more posting is easier scum reading.
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On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural.
I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before.
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On May 29 2014 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Activity is the only real metric you should actually be using because more activity is more posting is easier scum reading.
I very strongly disagree with this. Just because someone is more active he doesn´t have to be easier to read than someone who is less active.
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The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is.
bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor!
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On May 29 2014 03:59 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Activity is the only real metric you should actually be using because more activity is more posting is easier scum reading.
I very strongly disagree with this. Just because someone is more active he doesn´t have to be easier to read than someone who is less active.
i'm pretty confident I can read someone with more activity over someone with low activity anyday
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On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before.
What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind?
Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends.
His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes.
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On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote + The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor!
Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null.
This is really your argument on mayor being useless?
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On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes.
i basically didn´t attribute this post to his play. In this everything is based on reasoning and is elaborated. Elaborating on the cell order and giving proper reasons is exactly what I expect from the mayor. So I changed my mind from definitely not voting him to thinking about voting him.
On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads? In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already. The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews). Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B. The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk.
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On May 29 2014 04:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 03:59 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:57 Holyflare wrote:
Activity is the only real metric you should actually be using because more activity is more posting is easier scum reading.
I very strongly disagree with this. Just because someone is more active he doesn´t have to be easier to read than someone who is less active. i'm pretty confident I can read someone with more activity over someone with low activity anyday
I'm only confident I can read someone with a lot of activity over the same person with less activity.
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On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless?
when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too
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ever been changed intentionally* rayn doesn't count because drunk and angry at gumshoe
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On May 29 2014 04:12 Holyflare wrote:
ever been changed intentionally* rayn doesn't count because drunk and angry at gumshoe
I´m not completely sure but wasn´t it koshi who changed things from rayn´s order?
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On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too
I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta."
I'm not a fan.
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On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too
Ive never played cell mafia on forum besides this game here, and i didnt read the first cell game here. Im only basing mine on video play. The first game i played, i was mayor, and town, and i changed the order slightly from what town wanted, because i thought it was best. And it would have worked if i didnt get mislynched when my turn came for it. Also second game, which you were in, yes, nydus was the mayor, and he changed the order, he was mafia. So town or mafia could do it. I dont think it gives that much info based on order change from a mayor.
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On May 29 2014 04:15 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:12 Holyflare wrote:
ever been changed intentionally* rayn doesn't count because drunk and angry at gumshoe I´m not completely sure but wasn´t it koshi who changed things from rayn´s order?
yes because rayn got angry and drunk and fucked off and koshi had already afk'd from the game at that point so didn't know what order to do
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On May 29 2014 04:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too Ive never played cell mafia on forum besides this game here, and i didnt read the first cell game here. Im only basing mine on video play. The first game i played, i was mayor, and town, and i changed the order slightly from what town wanted, because i thought it was best. And it would have worked if i didnt get mislynched when my turn came for it. Also second game, which you were in, yes, nydus was the mayor, and he changed the order, he was mafia. So town or mafia could do it. I dont think it gives that much info based on order change from a mayor.
nydus was town, regardless, people in video are completely COMPLETELY different because they do not have 24 hours to talk about it and get all their thoughts out in the open, their reads are also not entirely concrete etc, here you are much more accountable for everything that you write and town are very unlikely to change the order at all because there's no new information or anything they can ponder on over the night because they have to make the cell order immediately at the end of the day
if you want to take the video mafia metric into account nydus changed the order around but everyone was town reading him and his play as mafia is super obvious the later the game goes on, he changed himself to third in the order so by logical reasoning he was very very obviously town even though banks (mafia) tried to push that point against him
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