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On May 29 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta." I'm not a fan.
It's not just meta, it's logic. If a mafia gets the mayor and he puts himself into the last spot and fucks up the order then what? he's sacrificed his cell and given us 2 confirmed towns people that will stay through the entirety of the game giving their thoughts. You also get a lot of information based on the order that he formulated etc.
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On May 29 2014 04:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:16 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too Ive never played cell mafia on forum besides this game here, and i didnt read the first cell game here. Im only basing mine on video play. The first game i played, i was mayor, and town, and i changed the order slightly from what town wanted, because i thought it was best. And it would have worked if i didnt get mislynched when my turn came for it. Also second game, which you were in, yes, nydus was the mayor, and he changed the order, he was mafia. So town or mafia could do it. I dont think it gives that much info based on order change from a mayor. nydus was town, regardless, people in video are completely COMPLETELY different because they do not have 24 hours to talk about it and get all their thoughts out in the open, their reads are also not entirely concrete etc, here you are much more accountable for everything that you write and town are very unlikely to change the order at all because there's no new information or anything they can ponder on over the night because they have to make the cell order immediately at the end of the day if you want to take the video mafia metric into account nydus changed the order around but everyone was town reading him and his play as mafia is super obvious the later the game goes on, he changed himself to third in the order so by logical reasoning he was very very obviously town even though banks (mafia) tried to push that point against him
Oh i must be thinking of a different game where nydus played as mafia. Either way, you have a point.
Well, i guess til i see it, i cant really comment on it then, just giving out my thoughts.
But mayor isnt useless. Im still going to fight you on that point.
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well it's useless in the fact that it literally doesn't matter who it goes to but it's not useless in the fact that it gives us reads
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Ok so I'm just going to give you my analysis on that post.
I'll post my thoughts in red..
On May 29 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. i basically didn´t attribute this post to his play. In this everything is based on reasoning and is elaborated. Elaborating on the cell order and giving proper reasons is exactly what I expect from the mayor. So I changed my mind from definitely not voting him to thinking about voting him. Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote:On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads? In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already. The town doesn't have a "wealth" of information. In fact, the only information that the town will have, if this goes through, is the scum in Cell A will be off in the obs qt laughing when I flip green. Like Rit's whole push for this seems odd. His insta town read on MZ for playing along with Freedom is a convenient way to make sure this goes along nicely.The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews). Why put C before B? In the previous sentence you admit to not being sure about someone? Like you do realize Cell C is probably the hardest group to make a read on? Cell B makes wayyyy more sense. I'm not entirely sure on the timeline for this post but Palmar has been playing anti-town since the beginning of the game. So this is a obvious choice anyway. So why put Cell C, with it's harder to read players, super early? To snag ez mislynches. People in this group won't have be being strongly read one way or the other more than likely. You're chances are better at landing a mislynch into this pool if you do it early.Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B. It's not that Poofter has pitted himself anywhere. Palmar literally claimed to be anti-town. More 'Murica buddying, like good for you right? If you're lucky you'll befriend enough of the town that you'll even get a town read after you get a mislynch day1. He even admits he's got a stronger read Cell B than C. Yet in his previous paragraph he wants to put C first, why?The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk. The last groups are simply at the back of the line becuase he "doesn't have info". Like why the hell is Cell A at the very front of his list then? Thrawn hadn't posted yet. How much less info could you have? Oh right, cuz MZ his Freedom loving cuddlebuddy.
So ye, in conclusion.. What exactly was suppose to make me feel better in that post?
It's fishy, and there is an obvious agenda in it.
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On May 29 2014 04:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta." I'm not a fan. It's not just meta, it's logic. If a mafia gets the mayor and he puts himself into the last spot and fucks up the order then what? he's sacrificed his cell and given us 2 confirmed towns people that will stay through the entirety of the game giving their thoughts. You also get a lot of information based on the order that he formulated etc.
Town has three tools: mayor, lynch, and voice. You're trying to convince me a third of town's tools are useless. Electing a mayor who is town is a huge benefit because it lets town set the pace for the game and mafia have to play by some of our rules. This is not an opportunity that town is going to get twice this game. Running for mayor puts spotlight and pressure on the person running. Most of our analysis this game is based off of the mayor mechanic in the game. You are not going to convince me the mayor role is useless. I hope you aren't able to convince anyone else the mayor role is useless.
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On May 29 2014 04:28 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:22 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta." I'm not a fan. It's not just meta, it's logic. If a mafia gets the mayor and he puts himself into the last spot and fucks up the order then what? he's sacrificed his cell and given us 2 confirmed towns people that will stay through the entirety of the game giving their thoughts. You also get a lot of information based on the order that he formulated etc. Town has three tools: mayor, lynch, and voice. You're trying to convince me a third of town's tools are useless. Electing a mayor who is town is a huge benefit because it lets town set the pace for the game and mafia have to play by some of our rules. This is not an opportunity that town is going to get twice this game. Running for mayor puts spotlight and pressure on the person running. Most of our analysis this game is based off of the mayor mechanic in the game. You are not going to convince me the mayor role is useless. I hope you aren't able to convince anyone else the mayor role is useless.
Yeah!!! What he said HF!!!
Lmao. Like, mayor isnt useless, and i explained like him why it isn't.
And if mayor is useless, why do you want it so bad?
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Counting of votes:
mtamburini (1): Palmar
ritoky (6): ritoky, Tehpoofter, slOosh, ObiWanShinobi, WaveofShadow, 27ninjabunnies
Holyflare (1): Holyflare
batsnacks (1): batsnacks
Not voting (6): mtamburini, mderg, ShiaoPi, Meapak_Ziphh, OdinOfPergo, layabout
Currently, ritoky is set to become the mayor.
You have until Wednesday, May 28 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ) to vote on a mayor.
Voting is mandatory!
+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +VOTE: Holyflare voted Holyflare ( post) VOTE: ritoky voted ritoky ( post) VOTE: Tehpoofter voted ritoky ( post) VOTE: slOosh voted ritoky ( post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted ritoky ( post) VOTE: WaveofShadow voted ritoky ( post) VOTE: Palmar voted mtamburini ( post) VOTE: batsnacks voted batsnacks ( post) VOTE: 27ninjabunnies voted ritoky ( post)
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On May 29 2014 04:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:28 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 04:22 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta." I'm not a fan. It's not just meta, it's logic. If a mafia gets the mayor and he puts himself into the last spot and fucks up the order then what? he's sacrificed his cell and given us 2 confirmed towns people that will stay through the entirety of the game giving their thoughts. You also get a lot of information based on the order that he formulated etc. Town has three tools: mayor, lynch, and voice. You're trying to convince me a third of town's tools are useless. Electing a mayor who is town is a huge benefit because it lets town set the pace for the game and mafia have to play by some of our rules. This is not an opportunity that town is going to get twice this game. Running for mayor puts spotlight and pressure on the person running. Most of our analysis this game is based off of the mayor mechanic in the game. You are not going to convince me the mayor role is useless. I hope you aren't able to convince anyone else the mayor role is useless. Yeah!!! What he said HF!!! Lmao. Like, mayor isnt useless, and i explained like him why it isn't. And if mayor is useless, why do you want it so bad?
when have i said i wanted it badly?
On May 28 2014 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
honestly I'll pretty much vote anyone for mayor because if they put me first i'll pretty much be confirmed town because they want me out of the game and if they put me last i'll solve the game so /care
As for mayor, I don't really care if it's me or ritoky as we both have similar ideas for ordering. I would prefer myself obviously because I know i'm town but I understand the people's fears of not trusting me so that's fine.
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only reason i'd want mayor is because i have the best order and nobody even commented on it yet 
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The winds of freedom have risen from their slumber. Catching up on what I missed.
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##Vote: Ritoky
I will be out for most of the day (PST) but I implore those who are on the fence about voting to at least elect someone who will put either cell A or cell B first.
That said you should obviously vote for freedom
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On May 29 2014 04:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 04:28 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 04:22 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta." I'm not a fan. It's not just meta, it's logic. If a mafia gets the mayor and he puts himself into the last spot and fucks up the order then what? he's sacrificed his cell and given us 2 confirmed towns people that will stay through the entirety of the game giving their thoughts. You also get a lot of information based on the order that he formulated etc. Town has three tools: mayor, lynch, and voice. You're trying to convince me a third of town's tools are useless. Electing a mayor who is town is a huge benefit because it lets town set the pace for the game and mafia have to play by some of our rules. This is not an opportunity that town is going to get twice this game. Running for mayor puts spotlight and pressure on the person running. Most of our analysis this game is based off of the mayor mechanic in the game. You are not going to convince me the mayor role is useless. I hope you aren't able to convince anyone else the mayor role is useless. Yeah!!! What he said HF!!! Lmao. Like, mayor isnt useless, and i explained like him why it isn't. And if mayor is useless, why do you want it so bad? when have i said i wanted it badly? Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
honestly I'll pretty much vote anyone for mayor because if they put me first i'll pretty much be confirmed town because they want me out of the game and if they put me last i'll solve the game so /care Show nested quote +As for mayor, I don't really care if it's me or ritoky as we both have similar ideas for ordering. I would prefer myself obviously because I know i'm town but I understand the people's fears of not trusting me so that's fine.
Maybe badly was the wrong word to use for it, but you did make that huge post about being mayor, which seems it took awhile to make. It seemed like you wanted it, regardless of your later posts after people voiced opposition to you.
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I like you batsnacks, looks like C is solved
##vote: batsnacks
lemme go reread thoroughly what I missed
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Alright, now im leaving to go swimming. Ill be back in a couple of hours.
I still think ritoky is best for mayor, regardless of his freedom thing.
I hope, ritoky, you take into account town's cell order.
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##vote batsnacks
he is exerting a high amount of tryhardedness
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lol what's with the 2 scummy ppl returning for batsnacks
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On May 29 2014 04:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:42 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 04:28 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 04:22 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:On May 29 2014 04:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 29 2014 03:59 Holyflare wrote: The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. bunnies, the mayor is useless tbh, if a towny gets it that's cool and he follows the consensus and makes a good order! if a scum gets it we get a lot of information based on the new order they proposed and what they were saying before they get mayor! Ive seen town change the order of the way cells go as well. So saying that scum will change the order is null. This is really your argument on mayor being useless? when has the order ever been changed on forum mafia? i've seen it happen in video mafia and that change gave a lot of information too I'm reading this as "I'm right because meta. Prove me wrong only using meta." I'm not a fan. It's not just meta, it's logic. If a mafia gets the mayor and he puts himself into the last spot and fucks up the order then what? he's sacrificed his cell and given us 2 confirmed towns people that will stay through the entirety of the game giving their thoughts. You also get a lot of information based on the order that he formulated etc. Town has three tools: mayor, lynch, and voice. You're trying to convince me a third of town's tools are useless. Electing a mayor who is town is a huge benefit because it lets town set the pace for the game and mafia have to play by some of our rules. This is not an opportunity that town is going to get twice this game. Running for mayor puts spotlight and pressure on the person running. Most of our analysis this game is based off of the mayor mechanic in the game. You are not going to convince me the mayor role is useless. I hope you aren't able to convince anyone else the mayor role is useless. Yeah!!! What he said HF!!! Lmao. Like, mayor isnt useless, and i explained like him why it isn't. And if mayor is useless, why do you want it so bad? when have i said i wanted it badly? On May 28 2014 07:31 Holyflare wrote:
honestly I'll pretty much vote anyone for mayor because if they put me first i'll pretty much be confirmed town because they want me out of the game and if they put me last i'll solve the game so /care As for mayor, I don't really care if it's me or ritoky as we both have similar ideas for ordering. I would prefer myself obviously because I know i'm town but I understand the people's fears of not trusting me so that's fine. Maybe badly was the wrong word to use for it, but you did make that huge post about being mayor, which seems it took awhile to make. It seemed like you wanted it, regardless of your later posts after people voiced opposition to you.
took like 5 minutes to google the words "vote for me" and "buzz words" :D:D:D:D:D:D really wasn't meant to be a serious post ever
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On May 29 2014 04:43 Holyflare wrote:only reason i'd want mayor is because i have the best order and nobody even commented on it yet
the number 1 reason i don't like your order right now is because I have arrived at 2 basic certainties at this point in the game:
1) Group A should go first
2) Holy crap do I not want tambo or his group last and to be in LYLO
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On May 29 2014 04:56 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:43 Holyflare wrote:only reason i'd want mayor is because i have the best order and nobody even commented on it yet the number 1 reason i don't like your order right now is because I have arrived at 2 basic certainties at this point in the game: 1) Group A should go first 2) Holy crap do I not want tambo or his group last and to be in LYLO
why would we be in lylo???? my order HAS GROUP A FIRST lool
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Well I have to work tonight.
So I won't be around much longer.
I don't want Rit for mayor. Reasons I already said.
##Vote:batsnacks
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