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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
I like ritoky and bat after their posts, but i think ima have to go with ritoky, as im reading him more town. I also like hf, but i think america wins. Lmao. If im back before deadline, i'll reread everything again to make sure im voting the right person. ##vote: ritoky | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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ObiWanShinobi
United States8089 Posts
On May 29 2014 02:41 Holyflare wrote: cell mafia 1 was an abomination, nothing in that game was a proper mafia game well so are you but everyone seems totally okay with that. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 29 2014 02:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote: well so are you but everyone seems totally okay with that. ![[image loading]](http://www.reactiongifs.com/lol/Someone-You-Dont-Like-Says-Something-Funny.gif) such mafia finding abilities, many skill! | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On May 29 2014 02:42 Holyflare wrote: if sloosh does not post soon after posting in detention then he could actually be mafia btw And if I post I'm mafia? Quite the loaded statement here. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 29 2014 02:50 slOosh wrote: And if I post I'm mafia? Quite the loaded statement here. how does that statement make sense :o? you posted in another game and hadn't posted here yet, people that don't really want to focus on a second game over their first are usually mafia who don't care but you've posted now (albeit nothing noteworthy) so it's all cool  | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
Hf´s mayor campaign seemed townie but at some point I started to find it strange how he didn´t want to take responsibility for the cell order. So my read on him is kinda null. batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that. ShiaoPi is like a huge question mark for me right now. So for me this is the last cell I´d want to go first. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 29 2014 02:58 mderg wrote: Am I the only one here who wants cell C to go late? Right now I can´t read that at all. Hf´s mayor campaign seemed townie but at some point I started to find it strange how he didn´t want to take responsibility for the cell order. So my read on him is kinda null. batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that. ShiaoPi is like a huge question mark for me right now. So for me this is the last cell I´d want to go first. did you read the last page? :p | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On May 29 2014 02:53 Holyflare wrote: how does that statement make sense :o? you posted in another game and hadn't posted here yet, people that don't really want to focus on a second game over their first are usually mafia who don't care but you've posted now (albeit nothing noteworthy) so it's all cool The idea is that one could easily follow up with "hey he is mafia and only posting when called out". Which you would think people would realize is a pretty frail reason to lynch someone, but I've been mislynched enough times to overestimate the general townie's perceptive abilities. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 29 2014 03:17 slOosh wrote: The idea is that one could easily follow up with "hey he is mafia and only posting when called out". Which you would think people would realize is a pretty frail reason to lynch someone, but I've been mislynched enough times to overestimate the general townie's perceptive abilities. well i didn't do that so whatever :D On May 29 2014 02:58 mderg wrote: Am I the only one here who wants cell C to go late? Right now I can´t read that at all. Hf´s mayor campaign seemed townie but at some point I started to find it strange how he didn´t want to take responsibility for the cell order. So my read on him is kinda null. batsnacks had some good guidelines about the cell order but it wasn´t really specific. I also didn´t agree with lynching the lowest contributing cells first. I´m slightly leaning towards town but I´m really not sure about that. ShiaoPi is like a huge question mark for me right now. So for me this is the last cell I´d want to go first. ^ On reflection this is really disingenuous. He starts by saying "Am i the only one here who wants cell C late" but not many people said C should go first. In fact, batsnacks is like the only person to say that and that was on the last page. If he DID in fact read the last page then what he said about batsnacks can't possibly be true. He just got specific and gave the order with C in front and explained his reasoning behind it. I also explained the order i'd like and reads on people and why I picked that order but he left that out. So really, he's made up some strange things here. | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
Of course. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
well then you're most likely mafia  | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On May 29 2014 02:22 batsnacks wrote: PROPOSED CELL ORDER: C, A, B, E, D It's similar to ritoky's with one primary difference. I think the rikoty/MZ team in cell A has too much momentum right now to lynch first. I want to see where that momentum goes and I want to give Odin at least the extra day. If rikoty or MZ are mafia, lynching group A first is making it way too easy for them. I put groups D/E last because I feel like I know the least about them at this point in time. How is that not specific? | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On May 29 2014 03:21 Holyflare wrote: well i didn't do that so whatever :D ^ On reflection this is really disingenuous. He starts by saying "Am i the only one here who wants cell C late" but not many people said C should go first. In fact, batsnacks is like the only person to say that and that was on the last page. If he DID in fact read the last page then what he said about batsnacks can't possibly be true. He just got specific and gave the order with C in front and explained his reasoning behind it. I also explained the order i'd like and reads on people and why I picked that order but he left that out. So really, he's made up some strange things here. You´re making shit up now. When I say late, I mean late, not in the middle of the game. What I said about batsnacks was specifically about the post with the general guidelines. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On May 29 2014 03:24 mderg wrote: You´re making shit up now. When I say late, I mean late, not in the middle of the game. What I said about batsnacks was specifically about the post with the general guidelines. I'm not making anything up. You just said you were up to date with the game and read the last page. On the last page batsnacks doesn't follow the metric about lynching the lowest contributing cells at all. He does quite the opposite. I started the day with no plan for cells because half the people in the game hadn't spoken yet. That should be obvious. I have made a post with a cell order that you should actually like but you didn't comment on that, you decided to pick up on the start of the game which shows you aren't evolving your reads as time goes on. Why, if you are up to date, do your reads not account for anything that happened since the last time you posted? | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On May 29 2014 03:28 Holyflare wrote: I'm not making anything up. You just said you were up to date with the game and read the last page. On the last page batsnacks doesn't follow the metric about lynching the lowest contributing cells at all. He does quite the opposite. I started the day with no plan for cells because half the people in the game hadn't spoken yet. That should be obvious. I have made a post with a cell order that you should actually like but you didn't comment on that, you decided to pick up on the start of the game which shows you aren't evolving your reads as time goes on. Why, if you are up to date, do your reads not account for anything that happened since the last time you posted? Hey I just want to get this out in the open so we're really clear. The most important part of my first post is bolded: + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2014 12:06 batsnacks wrote: Okay first post I just want to get some of the thoughts I was having before the game out in the open. If this doesn't run on too long I'll also share some of my notes reading the thread so far. A little background on me first since since none of you have played with me before. I am experienced in mafia but I have never played a setup like this before. It's been a couple years since I've played forum mafia so maybe I'm rusty, maybe I'm well rested. I am not a smurf. First I want to talk about urgent situations; the election process and determining group order. I am open to being elected as mayor. This post is going to inform you of the processes I have considered using to select group order, if I were mayor. I don't know who I'm voting for yet. It isn't important to me that I be elected. It is however important that the person I vote for comment on these processes I have come up with. I have already seen some comments about the role of the mayor not being important. I don't agree with those comments. This is an important decision. Mayor, as I see it, should be a tool that town uses to take early control and set the pace for the rest of the game so that mafia have to play by the rules town lays down. So, how does one as mayor determine group order? I have come up with several scenarios: - Lynch lowest "contributing" groups first. This has already been mentioned once in the thread. Nominations, filter length, post count, meta, etc. could all be used as metrics for "contribution." High contributing people will have the most content to analyze in the end game, so it is beneficial to keep them around longer. More data is better. - Analyze groups as though all three members could be mafia and lynch groups with "most mafia members." Conversely analyze groups as though all three members could be town and lynch groups with "least town members." Compare the two lists and check for differences. If three of the five mafia members could be in a single group, which group would you lynch first? - Everyone picks one "most likely to be mafia" from each group and compares. Sort according to who gets picked most. - "Easy" first. "Easy groups" meaning groups where there are two people working together against someone. - Lastly, my favorite option, all of the above. More data is better. I propose either to the mayor, or possibly as mayor, that we use a combination of these processes for the group selection procedure. Once group order is determined, we can decide who to lynch in each group. I have brainstormed the following situations: - Lynch for single "mistake"/"tell"/"scummy post"; important to use heated rhetoric and pressure of spotlight in this situation. - Lynch because agenda shows anti-town/pro-mafia pattern over time. Either voting pattern, tone/posting style, on the wrong side of arguments, etc. Next post if I can get around to it tonight is notes and practical applications. I used a combination of all of those methods to come up with my group order. I considered highest/lowest contributors, groups that are most town-like, groups that are most mafia-like, specific people who's posting I thought was suspicious, and "easy groups." Before the game I didn't consider "fast win" scenarios as much as I should have where mafia could potentially win 3-0. That is what lead me to believe that high contributors should be spared for last; I was assuming that the game would go late, when it doesn't necessarily have to. I see now that lynching groups with high contributing members first has it's advantage in that those groups, at the time, have the most content to analyze. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
HF its cute how you're scurred of me as scum. I wish I had the numbers and the percentage to back it up like you instead of just the percentage. Also I think batsnacks might be scum...interesting chainsaw he has going on in his analysis of my cell. Its preflip association I know, but still. Doesn't it give you the jeebs? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
Cell A- ritoky has been advocating is mayor position. I dont like how bat tries to discredit ritoky for the reason that his seems "fake and cheap". Ritoky has been pushing cell order and reads and has actually been trying to scum hunt. MZ did seem to buddy slightly with ritoky, but MZ did say he had a pretty good town read. Odin still hasnt talked, which i find highly weird. I would want this cell to go either first or second. I think giving odin a second day is stupid. Why isnt he here now? Cell B- i kinda touched already on this cell. Poofter im reading a bit more town than palmer. His meta case on palmer although is a bit weird, and its not really solid. Though i like poofter's pressuring of tamburini. I dont like how palmer wanted to vote tamburini as mayor when tamburini has done nothing but discuss rng stuff, then disappears. WOS is a stronger town read for me than poofter or palmer, though id probably lynch palmer out of this group. Cell C- so the one thing i don't like about batsnacks is that he tries to discredit both ritoky and holyflare for their mayor posts saying both were cheap and fake. I find that super odd. Then he advocates himself as mayor, when basically his reads are similar to that of ritoky, with one exception. If you sheep off of ritoky, why not just vote for ritoky? Holyflare seems genuine to me. The thing i dont like about HF is that he didnt want to propose a cell order, wants to be mayor, then says mayor is useless (i think bat also brought up this point). Ive pointed out many times mayor isnt useless, and im not sure entirely why many people think it is. Shiaopi hasnt done much since the initial posts yesterday, so i have nothing much to go on. This cell is a bit iffy for me, and. I wouldn't want them to go first. Cell D- let's just lynch tamburini and get it over with. Like honestly. But in all seriousness, tamburini comes into the thread talking about rng who mafia are, and i find that super stupid. Then he leaves. And have we heard from him? Nope, and its almost deadline. He definitely shouldnt be mayor. Sloosh has been making posts, though not to the standard i classify as posting. (Im hard to please). I do, however, like palmer for calling out sloosh for posting in detention, but not in here. Obiwan seems a bit townish. I need to look more through his filter, but he doesnt raise any red flags for me at the moment going off the top of my head. Cell E- at first it was just me posting, which sucked cause i was basing cell order off of everyone else, and couldnt get a freaking read on my own cell. Im glad both have posted, but there are some things i dont like about each person in my cell besides me. Layabout comes into the thread posting obvious statements that everyone knows, then states that you shouldnt elect either one of us as mayor, though no one from our cell was advocating for mayor at all. Like did he even read the thread? Then he says he will give reads on cell a, and leaves and does nothing. To me, thats just a post to get by, and i dont like it at all. I wouldnt be surprised if he comes into the thread and votes, then leaves. Mderg's posting is a lot better than layabout's. I agree with mderg that cell C should not go first here. Though the conversation between hf and mderg right now is interesting. Gonna have to see how this one plays out. For my cell, im leaning more towards layabout as scum, but i dont want my cell going first. I need a bit to read the other two more. So my order, as of now, would be A, D, E, C, B ( which i think was the order i had when i initially posted yesterday, so it hasnt change much tbh) Id prob okay with switching some, but i think A should definitely go first. E could go second or third, i should have reads on my cell after the first day. Cell D could go either second or third also. Id leave c/b for last. B because i dont have a great read, C, idk, tbh. Also not a great read. | ||
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