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OdinOfPergo

United States840 Posts

May 30 2014 09:47 GMT

#1041

@ Poof

Why does that post give you shivers?
Like literally neither me nor Palmar mentions MZ in that exchange

Tehpoofter

United States2911 Posts

May 30 2014 09:55 GMT

#1042

So ScumPalmer comes into the thread what does he do if he sees his teammate getting voted? He probably votes on him to BW and maybe gain some cred. Him voting someone different is odd to me like he knows its a ML on MZ or something. THen again what Obi said just screams tmi scum to me.

Tehpoofter

United States2911 Posts

May 30 2014 09:57 GMT

#1043

Robik good to see you're in the game. Who is "Iceland" in your town reads you made?

On May 30 2014 08:14 IAmRobik wrote:
People to never lynch:
Robik
Ritoky
Iceland

Although I'm probably not serious about Palmar

Tehpoofter

United States2911 Posts

May 30 2014 10:19 GMT

#1044

I was going to do some more analysis but I'm falling asleep. I'll be up for the lynch. I'm still leaning MZ but I want to see what HF/bunnies think about what I pointed out with Palmer coming into the thread.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

May 30 2014 11:19 GMT

#1045

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mderg

Germany1740 Posts

May 30 2014 11:21 GMT

#1046

On May 30 2014 10:13 Holyflare wrote:
Mderg is mafia for other reasons but let's try and win before it gets to that cell.

Either you give the reasons or you don´t use them. Also you can´t possibly know I´m mafia since I´m not.

I don´t like ritoky´s recent play. I don´t see any reason to use that freedom shit in this phase of the game. Like in these posts the only real contribution is questioning layabout´s townread on Odin.
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On May 30 2014 07:02 ritoky wrote:
I had a dream, that one day that one day this game will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self evident; that all town are created equal."

I had a dream, that even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of scum, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I had a dream, that little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their role but by the content of their character.

I had a dream last night!

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Welcome to the game sir. 2 questions for you:

1) What do you think of your predecessor's contributions/where do you stand in regards to them?

2) What do you think of this image?

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On May 30 2014 07:03 ritoky wrote:
on a related note, i will now read the 5 or so pages i missed while sleeping

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On May 30 2014 07:10 ritoky wrote:

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currently reading the drunken rage of odin, you should too.

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On May 30 2014 07:20 ritoky wrote:

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Uhhhhhh how did no one quote this?????

What is this about broski?

Question 1: Why do you hate freedom so much? And don't say your answer to me, say your answer to this:

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Question 2: How do you have such a 100% town read on Odin, yet you have not explained it a single time in the entire thread. I mean you have such a town read on him that you put him above BOTH myself and MZ, yet 0 reasons given as to where the hell it came from? Hello red flag, welcome to being pasted next to layabout's name.

I also have no idea why he still thinks Odin is more likely to be scum than MZ after this post.

On May 30 2014 08:11 ritoky wrote:
So after reading through the drunken rage of Odin and some of Meapak's responses, I don't really feel like I have been moved all that much from my previous stance.

I think Odin's level of frustration is not particularly alignment indicative for me, but if someone has meta information about when/if he rages as certain alignments or both that could be helpful. I think his frustration comes from a position of entering late into a game into the group going first that has two people who were being read as town by much of the game at the time he entered. But again, to me that doesn't give me much alignment information, could be frustrated town or frustrated mafia. It also makes it so that nearly half of the posts he put out are a wash.

The thing that gave me pause about Odin when he entered the thread was his choice of who to pursue as the scum in his cell. He chose me. At first I had a bit of an OMGUS reaction to it, but then I read some of what HolyFlare was saying about it and it made a lot of sense. Mostly about how that was the less optimal and more difficult path. The easier path would be to not target the guy being elected mayor and to push on MZ for the sheeping/buddying.

But I mean, that is kinda where he has ended up at now. And I also feel that a lot of his reasoning behind his suspicions of MZ are just taken directly from sloosh's post (which I personally think brings up the best point against MZ thus far that he hasn't actually responded to). I also dislike a lot of his talk and conclusions about the other cells a lot more than I dislike MZ's, but there's also a lot of prodding and questioning in Odin's which is a + point, whereas MZ's is a lot of summary information.

However, the biggest thing stopping me from just locking a vote on Odin is the point sloosh made about MZ toward the end of his accusation. You see, a lot of people have been critical of MZ for basically how the first page of his filter is him saying he has a town read on me, sheeping me hard, and spewing freedom. Which is fine, that can be part of your read, but if that is all of your reasoning like it is for a few people; well then you need further examination (especially given that I feel MZ has given a lot more content than just that to comment on). BUT back to sloosh's point:

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On May 29 2014 15:57 slOosh wrote:
I'm reasonably sure that Meapak_Ziphh is the scum in Cell A.

I believe his strategy is to buddy up hard to one member to get support for lynching the other. Namely, buddying up to ritoky to lynch thrawn, now replaced with Odin.

Take one of his starting posts:

On May 28 2014 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Where are my cell mates?

I want to analyze the shit out of them

This is quickly followed with a slew of

On May 28 2014 07:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Holy mother of god I know who I'm voting for mayor
I also know who the scum is in my cell.

On May 28 2014 07:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm so hard right now

On May 28 2014 07:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm posting this just so everyone knows where I'm at right now
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On May 28 2014 08:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On May 28 2014 08:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:

On May 28 2014 08:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On May 28 2014 08:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:

On May 28 2014 07:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On May 28 2014 07:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:

On May 28 2014 07:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm so hard right now

What is with all you boys getting hard.

It's mafia. Not sex.

Also ritoky i give you 9/10 for the freedom messup.

We use our penises to scum hunt.

I've already caught thrawn and shaiopi with mine, you lack a penis and haven't caught anyone. Coincidence? I think not...

And you are so sure on them, aren't you?

Why? What is your evidence.
though i agree a bit with shaiopi. He seems to be wanting to disregard holyflare entirely.
And the tone of his posts throw me off.

I like hf. But that could be due to the cute kitty.

I may lack a penis, but I have women's intuition, and boobs and a vagina.

Sorry but way more powerful than your penis.

My evidence against thrawn is that he must be scum since ritoky and myself are both town

My evidence against Shaiopi is that he hates freedom.

Two ironclad cases and I'm just getting warmed up.

Ohhh.. Process of elimination.

Didn't realize he was in your cell.

I should probably look at that list.

Okay, so why is ritoky more town than thrawn? Has he even (thrawn) commented on anything yet?

And are you just basing that case on his mayor post?

Also, if you like ritoky for his post(if thats the reason why) what do you not like about hf?

George Washington himself personally told me ritoky was town. He said that we must rebel against King Thrawn the third.

King Thrawn has not commented on anything yet, he is crazy after all.

The problem with HF is that he included kittens, a sure sign of weakness. Also I may still want to policy lynch him after golden sun, I haven't decided on that yet.

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In all seriousness, I actually have a really good townread off of ritoky based on that post alone. It may change (I would be crushed if it had to) but that sort of entry into the thread is the antithesis of what I'd expect him to do as scum. If anyone has meta arguments against my gut (and George Washington), better tell me now.

This post is roughly an hour or so after the game has started. Thrawn hasn't posted at this point, and ritoky's only post at this point is his platform post.

The only reason why Meapak would act this way as town is if he had a rock solid conviction that ritoky was absolutely 100% town, going solely off his mayor platform post, so much so that no matter what thrawn posts, it wouldn't affect his read. This is absurd. There is no way anyone could have gotten such a strong read off 1 post.

And here is the clincher:

On May 28 2014 08:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On May 28 2014 08:31 ritoky wrote:
Personally, I find it strange that holyflare has not commented at all on the strongest case against him as mayor to this point. It may just be that he has been floored by the light of freedom and cannot rebut the awesome truth of murrica.

Unlike shiaopi's claims of me being lazy and disappearing from the thread claim, I have no intentions of going quietly into the night. Those of us who fight for freedom day in and day out realize the hard work that it entails. We pull ourselves up by our boot straps, put on our pants one leg at a time, and work to rid the world of all that opposes the power of freedom. We know freedom isn't free. (please click for reference)

Furthermore the founding father of freedom, George Washington, has reminded me of 2 things: always trust in the power of freedom and murricans always are first. So to further my case for mayor, I propose that Cell A goes first. It also contains the most obvious scum currently in the case of Thrawn, who clearly hates freedom.

The founders themselves approve of this plan. Elect Ritoky so that Cell A can go first
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On May 28 2014 08:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

On May 28 2014 08:40 WaveofShadow wrote:

On May 28 2014 08:35 Tehpoofter wrote:

On May 28 2014 07:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
ritoky and thrawn huh? One of you is scum and you're going down the hard way.

Also no to HF as mayor, I'd rather RNG mayor...

Dear god RNG already. Did we not learn our lesson in Golden Sun? Although I think that bringing up the bad idea of Rng makes you more town in that mafia would most likely want to secure mayor for themselves leaving it up to RNG sounds more towny thought process but a bad idea.

Meh, not really. Mayoral role is mostly useless in this setup, but thanks for playing!

So, we lynching Plammar?

No bbz we lynch thrawn after we elect ritoky.

On May 29 2014 04:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
##Vote: Ritoky

I will be out for most of the day (PST) but I implore those who are on the fence about voting to at least elect someone who will put either cell A or cell B first.

That said you should obviously vote for freedom
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By lynching into Cell A first, there are absolutely no repercussions. He can say whatever he wants about the other cells, he could bus as hard as he wants, it doesn't matter if he doesn't actually flip since no one can call him out for it. He equates voting Cell A with freedom, which is actually a non reason. He clearly wants cell A to go first, but offers no analysis of why this would be the best course of action. Instead, all he sees is get Cell A first, lynch thrawn, who cares about the rest.

This is indicative of scum mentality, as town would definitely consider how to order things even after they are gone, whereas scum can have their teammates figure out the leftovers.

I believe ritoky has shown good analysis (when it came to actually deciding total cell order), and Odin's first few posts look like he is trying to figure out ritoky. Meapak has done neither, his filter is full of fluff and he is trying to get away with it with a D1 mislynch.

##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh

I think the bolded part is more interesting than the buddying up early stuff that everyone else seems hung up on.

All of this said, I still think as of right now Odin is more of the scum than MZ. I have come down a bit on MZ since the start of the game, but not enough to call Odin more town.

First he lists things that are not alignment indicative from Odin and how it´s townie to not pick MZ as initial scumread. But then he still thinks Odin is the likelier scum because he mainly used sloosh´s reason for calling MZ scummy (Even though ritoky thinks these are the best reasons so far to call MZ scummy). Then he says he dislikes a lot of his talk and conclusions about the other cells. But he doesn´t say what he dislikes.
He proceeds to point out what makes MZ suspicious. I don´t see how this can lead to Odin being scummier than MZ.

To me it seems like ritoky is only semi-pushing the Odin lynch while still talking about how MZ is suspicious because most people had a townread on him from the start. If he helps keeping suspicions on the other two there would be almost no way we´d ever find out about him being scum. This would greatly hinder town in the future cells.

##vote: ritoky

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

May 30 2014 11:23 GMT

#1047

If you're going to make associative reads of you thinking I'm mafia poofter, you should be imprisoned for stupidity.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

May 30 2014 11:28 GMT

#1048

Mafia is so much harder when you don't read the thread. This feels like guessing.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

May 30 2014 11:34 GMT

#1049

@Odin your filter is incredibly hard to read because you don't break down quotes and respond.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

May 30 2014 11:50 GMT

#1050

On May 30 2014 18:55 Tehpoofter wrote:
So ScumPalmer comes into the thread what does he do if he sees his teammate getting voted? He probably votes on him to BW and maybe gain some cred. Him voting someone different is odd to me like he knows its a ML on MZ or something. THen again what Obi said just screams tmi scum to me.

This makes no sense to me whatsoever.
What good would voting his scum partner now do for a scum palmar?

You'd better step it up poofter.

mtamburini

Canada506 Posts

May 30 2014 11:50 GMT

#1051

This is not bunnies town game as far as Im concerned, her response back to me was very defensive of stuff she claims to be doing.

Shes been asking a lot of questions but not drawing any conclusions from them and has a lot more filler posting then Im used to

mtamburini

Canada506 Posts

May 30 2014 11:51 GMT

#1052

On May 30 2014 20:19 Palmar wrote:
I'm not mafia. I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.I'm not mafia.

Im convinced.

mtamburini

Canada506 Posts

May 30 2014 11:57 GMT

#1053

When is deadline for voting and when was last updated vote count?

OdinOfPergo

United States840 Posts

May 30 2014 12:02 GMT

#1054

On May 30 2014 20:34 Palmar wrote:
@Odin your filter is incredibly hard to read because you don't break down quotes and respond.

what do you mean?
Palmar, I've tried to break down post and explain why what people bring against me is wrong this entire game.
I dun understand what you are trying to get at with this.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

May 30 2014 12:09 GMT

#1055

On May 30 2014 21:02 OdinOfPergo wrote:

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what do you mean?
Palmar, I've tried to break down post and explain why what people bring against me is wrong this entire game.
I dun understand what you are trying to get at with this.

Nothing in particular, just saying: the thing you do where you color your responses in the spoilers is really annoying to read.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

May 30 2014 12:10 GMT

#1056

like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21427587

mtamburini

Canada506 Posts

May 30 2014 12:10 GMT

#1057

On May 28 2014 07:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:

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Random. Org is stupid in a setup like this imo.

Also, you are scum. Im kinda sad that you arent in my cell.

Then again, maybe i just like tunneling you.

What was that about not tunneling?

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

May 30 2014 12:12 GMT

#1058

I agree with the read on ninja. probably scum.

I'm really conflicted about today's lynch though. Odin's drunken frustration looked sort of townie, but MZ's random shit looks townie too.

Idk.

mtamburini

Canada506 Posts

May 30 2014 12:19 GMT

#1059

On May 29 2014 05:05 ritoky wrote:
Anyone else want to give their definitive Cell orders before the deadline? Other than mine I have:

batsnacks: C, A, B, E, D
bunnies: A, D, E, C, B
Holyflare: A, B, C, E, D

If I missed some in the thread, someone tell me so I can update my list.

Its no secret Bunnies does not like me this game. Well actually Im not sure if she ever has. I do find it interesting Bunnies wanted me to be in second group. Her vocalizing she wants me dead leads me to believe she if with Ritoky (If elected mayor and eventually did get elected) will get a ml on one of the other 2 players doesnt matter which one because he was elected because of how "towny" he has been. Next is my group which she knows she will try and get me ML and then put herself in position for the scum win by going third.

mtamburini

Canada506 Posts

May 30 2014 12:27 GMT

#1060

On May 29 2014 04:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
##Vote: Ritoky

I will be out for most of the day (PST) but I implore those who are on the fence about voting to at least elect someone who will put either cell A or cell B first.

That said you should obviously vote for freedom
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For someone to have that strong a read in their cell to elect someone as mayor because you think the other person is scum sounds like a lot of information to me. If I didnt RNG ritoky as scum Id be suspect of you.

Will keep digging in your filter maybe RNG was wrong this time.

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