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On May 31 2014 05:27 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 05:26 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 05:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 31 2014 05:16 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 31 2014 05:11 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 05:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On May 31 2014 05:02 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Poofter Where in the actual fuck are you?
I swear I'm this fuckinga close to changing my mind and actually believing palmar is town. (Not really but still)
As for MZ, he is a fighter. I've seen him play like this before going down, and he is playing well. It's unfortunate that ritoky right now is playing like shit and making our decision difficult.
What's with all of this flip flop bullshit? Robik how in the actual fuck can you be voting for Odin? I really really wanted to vote for MZ, but that would mean that the bus in my group is real and I don't want to believe that scum would want to bus a d1 lynch. As for Ritoky, I was his coach in his newbie game. While he says he's been playing online mafia for 5+ years, nothing that he did in that newbie game would lead me to believe that he would man up and take the reigns and try to be town mayor. The fact that he did that, given my perception that he would be timid as town, makes me think that he is town BECAUSE I don't think that a timid town instantly turns into an outspoken mafia. this leads odin to being the scum in cell A. is there any proof behind this or do you just have him by poe? Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot.
The fact that Odin seems to have felt safe and hasn't been back to the thread makes me lean scummier though. Like, the dude is in the first lynch group. He has to put in a solid 72 hours of work including the mayor shit (unless that was also 48hrs -- which would be lolworthy long), and he's not willing to be around for the last half of the last day that he can possibly contribute. DAFUQ is that bullshit. Oh so you mean like ritoky who afked for the better part of the post-mayoral election? And I absolutely did not clear odin for his drunk shit. Whatever, I concede that it may be Rikoty, but like, I don't like MZ for scum anymore. I'm putting my ass on the line here. Like if we don't lynch MZ and it's a miss, I feel like I'm gonna be facing the wrath of 7 hells tomorrow. This ALSO makes no sense because current thread consensus is STILL towards MZ being scum so if you're wrong, then a whole shit ton of us are wrong---why would we single you out or blame you specifically? Your thinking in this game is completely wonky and I don't like it one bit. Cause I'm one of the biggest proponents for not lynching MZ right now. If we don't lynch him and lynch rikoty or odin instead and the person we lynch comes back town, there will be backlash at me for pushing away from MZ who could have been maf. I don't think this logic is that difficult to follow. Not sure if your brain is fried or you're trying to misconstrue what I'm saying. wtf? Oh nvm you said if we 'don't lynch MZ and it's a miss. Fine but the rest of what I have said still stands. Your first concern shouldn't be 'the rest of the thread oh noes.'
My main concern is lynching the right person. Based off of the fact that I'm town and two people in my cell are voting MZ, that makes me believe that he's not the right lynch. I don't know which one of odin/ritoky it is, but I lean Odin for the aforementioned reasons. It could be Ritoky though, and if I can vote to save MZ right now, I would vote Ritoky over Odin
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I am not going to be able to be extremely active around deadline (can phone post sorta) so if this is the route we're going I'm fine with it but I wanted there to be more discussion on the matter. Like I'm going to be real pissed if we're wrong on ritoky 'cause mayor lolol.'
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On May 31 2014 04:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:So now odin: I like his initial post into the thread. Even though many people were seeing ritoky as town over mz, odin calls ritoky out for the following: Then he also give reads for other cells, not just his own. This seems like a more townie thing to do, + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I don't really like Rit's push for mayor. The whole way he words things seems flashy and contrived.
I have to really look at the motivation for it but I like what Bat said tbh.
If cell A goes first, scum get a easy ride on day1. Like everyone already knows I'm the lynch target in cell A.
Now assuming Rit is not scum, why would he push so hard for his own cell to go first when one of his members hasn't even posted? That's a big bet to take if your town. You're literally basing your first lynch on a coinflip.
So it's pretty obvious Palmar is the scum in B.
Holyflare is kind of making me worry too.
-Push for mayor super weird
-has a ton of filler post
-has a few prodding post with not so much follow up
Then again I'm going to just admit I have a hard time reading HF. So while I find HF to look odd, he does do this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum. But I don't think C is good group to go today anyway. So we'll have more time to see how it develops.
Between mderg/layabout I'm having a hard time.
Layabout is living up to his name. A few short filler post and he's gone.
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. he seems to call out mderg for inconsistencies he found in mdergs posting, which I also find more townie. Also, odin sticks for hhis reasoning to not vote for ritoky, rather than going for the popular consensus of most of the town. The odin drunk progression confuses the hell out of me, especially since no one was voting him, just placing suspicion on him. i felt he got way super defensive for absolutely nothing, and i think is actually more mafia indicative now that i read more through it than townie. also, odin's following post is actually pretty good. I think he defends himself pretty well in the boldedd part, and the fact that mz brings up the red text as scummy, seems like a last chance type thing to have something against odin Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 22:21 OdinOfPergo wrote:Damnit this is what I get for not previewing things I type. Cleaned up for ease of reading. Added a few [/.b] tags I missed. Also yes, absolutely do open the spoiler tags. On May 29 2014 22:12 OdinOfPergo wrote:Ok, so I'm just going to address this first since it's the most recent. On May 29 2014 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 29 2014 12:27 ritoky wrote:
Gonna leave this question here for when MZ and Odin come on:
@MZ, If the mod suddenly banned freedom and murrica from this thread, then what would you base your read on myself and Odin on?
@Odin, You talked about me, could you please give me some similar depth on MZ? I was initially all over you for the lulz mostly, I thought your intro post was good and not something scum would do but I really had no idea how things would pan out. Since then my initial judgement has been reaffirmed, I'd be townreading you right now even without the America stuff. Confirming someone as town like 1 hour into the game for lulz? I don't even really think it was for the lulz. Iirc you were the one who posted a little while after this saying it was the complete "anti" something or other of Rit's scum play. How in your mind is anyone else suppose to se that as a "lulz" read?Right now I'm actually baffled by the people who think Odin is town. He came in, made four posts and peaced. People are jacking off to how "protown" they were but honestly that's more just people repeating stuff that HF said. Because there are so few, let's take a quick look at these posts, since the way people are describing them I think some have forgotten what he actually said: + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I don't really like Rit's push for mayor. The whole way he words things seems flashy and contrived.
I have to really look at the motivation for it but I like what Bat said tbh.
If cell A goes first, scum get a easy ride on day1. Like everyone already knows I'm the lynch target in cell A.
Now assuming Rit is not scum, why would he push so hard for his own cell to go first when one of his members hasn't even posted? That's a big bet to take if your town. You're literally basing your first lynch on a coinflip.
So it's pretty obvious Palmar is the scum in B.
Holyflare is kind of making me worry too.
-Push for mayor super weird
-has a ton of filler post
-has a few prodding post with not so much follow up
Then again I'm going to just admit I have a hard time reading HF. So while I find HF to look odd, he does do this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum. But I don't think C is good group to go today anyway. So we'll have more time to see how it develops.
Between mderg/layabout I'm having a hard time.
Layabout is living up to his name. A few short filler post and he's gone.
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. Firstly, his criticism of ritoky rings very hollow. He calls him out for wanting his cell to go first which is odd because when ritoky ran for mayor, there was no indication of who was going to be active or inactive is impossible to tell. This means ritoky's mayor run can't have been a scum plot from the start. So because it's early game, there is no possible way mafia would run for mayor? What does who's going to be lurky and what not even matter for that tbh? Like, by the time a mayor gains traction and OBVIOUSLY by the time he is elected, they will have a pretty good idea. So why exactly can Rit's mayor push in no way be by possible mafia? Does that also make HF 100% confirmed town to you too now? This game must be easy for a player of your caliber. So many confirmed people in your mind, it makes me wonder if you already knew alignments or something. That's not the only issue I have with this post. The one person who Odin actually calls out is the beleaguered Palmar who basically everyone wants to lynch at this point. That's just a very weak read and Palmar is probably a pretty good bus target right now for scum under fire to gain some cred off of. My thoughts on Palmar at the time (still to date) are not plainly obvious..
Let me re-iterate for you.
-Palmar claims anti town.
-?
I don't even understand how you are calling my read "weak"
If so why/how are you justifying it for literally everyone else?Odin finishes this post by doing something I personally hate which is telling everyone about something someone did and then not drawing any concrete conclusions. He starts with HF and concludes that "HF does this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum." Fantastic, why did we need to know that? HF is in no immediate danger of dying so why the need to inform the thread about your confusion, it's nothing more than a soft defense of HF without actually coming out and saying it. Well obviously not all of us agree that because HF first post like half an hour into the game was a mayor push makes him confirmed town. Please guide us. And yes, I was defending HF if that wasn't obvious. I didn't have a strong read on him at the time and it's funny that you are trying to throw dirt on me over and over again here for not knowing knowing peoples alignments.He then comments that layabout hasn't done anything, once again a very easy thing to say. Read belowLastly, he bring up mderg's progression on rit for mayor and calls in "unnatural." Ironically enough, the manner in which he presents the progression is honestly pretty logical to me and this just seems like an attempt to throw dirt on mderg without actually calling him scummy. Ok your last two points are actually one point. I mentioned before I was confused between mderg/Laya.
So of course I'm going to explain why I think each of them are questionable.
You are saying that you would of preferred I had just popped into thread and been like, "meh no clue" with 0 explanation? Furthermore, you completely ignore the convo me and mderg had at that time.
Why do you think I did that? I asked him about his thought process because his didn't make sense to me.
He did give it to me, and if it wasn't clear from my response to his response, the post of mine you later quote where I am replying to him obviously was me more trying to feel out mderg.On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. I HATE posts like this. Rit seems to be making friends, does that make him scum? Rit's posting feels forced, does that make him scum? It's elaborate and gives you bad vibes, does that make him scum? Odin presents a lot of things rit is doing and neither gives examples of why he feels that way or makes a solid conclusion. Like, c'mon man, you KNOW that either rit or I have to be scum. For some reason it's incredibly hard for odin to form a solid read (other than Palmar lol). When I started off the game I wanted to solve my own cell first because I had a whopping 50% chance of doing that. HF mentioned that one of the things he liked about odin was that he was reading the whole game. That's great, but at this point he can't even give a solid read on his own cell which honestly just screams scum who's not certain which cell member he'll have a better chance to misslynch.
If I don't understand something (Yes, believe it or not this happens pretty often..) I ask questions about it.
I don't mind if you don't like those questions. But I don't understand how you are scum reading me for trying to come to solid conclusions.+ Show Spoiler +On May 29 2014 04:28 OdinOfPergo wrote:Ok so I'm just going to give you my analysis on that post. I'll post my thoughts in red.. Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. i basically didn´t attribute this post to his play. In this everything is based on reasoning and is elaborated. Elaborating on the cell order and giving proper reasons is exactly what I expect from the mayor. So I changed my mind from definitely not voting him to thinking about voting him. On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote:On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads? In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already. The town doesn't have a "wealth" of information. In fact, the only information that the town will have, if this goes through, is the scum in Cell A will be off in the obs qt laughing when I flip green. Like Rit's whole push for this seems odd. His insta town read on MZ for playing along with Freedom is a convenient way to make sure this goes along nicely.The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews). Why put C before B? In the previous sentence you admit to not being sure about someone? Like you do realize Cell C is probably the hardest group to make a read on? Cell B makes wayyyy more sense. I'm not entirely sure on the timeline for this post but Palmar has been playing anti-town since the beginning of the game. So this is a obvious choice anyway. So why put Cell C, with it's harder to read players, super early? To snag ez mislynches. People in this group won't have be being strongly read one way or the other more than likely. You're chances are better at landing a mislynch into this pool if you do it early.Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B. It's not that Poofter has pitted himself anywhere. Palmar literally claimed to be anti-town. More 'Murica buddying, like good for you right? If you're lucky you'll befriend enough of the town that you'll even get a town read after you get a mislynch day1. He even admits he's got a stronger read Cell B than C. Yet in his previous paragraph he wants to put C first, why?The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk. The last groups are simply at the back of the line becuase he "doesn't have info". Like why the hell is Cell A at the very front of his list then? Thrawn hadn't posted yet. How much less info could you have? Oh right, cuz MZ his Freedom loving cuddlebuddy. So ye, in conclusion.. What exactly was suppose to make me feel better in that post? It's fishy, and there is an obvious agenda in it. Ok this post is gonna be rough, bear with me. I'm first gonna talk about why the red on the innermost quote is wrong. His first read paragraph reads like a scum scared to get lynched. He freakin references the scum team laughing at him dying which is just so alarmist as to be comical. He once again calls rit's play "odd." Like what the fuck does that even mean? Is that scummy? We don't know because odin doesn't take a stand Odd-differing in nature from what is ordinary, usual, or expected: an odd choice.
Rit's post felt weird to me. They didn't sit right. I still don't necessarily agree with them, but I'm starting to come around to maby understanding his logic behind them.
Let me give you an example of something that I find odd.
You, throwing dirt at me over and over and over again for trying to come to conclusions instead of already having them.
I'm sorry, not everyone get's to be scum MZ. Some of us actually have to try to play the game to discern alignments of other players. Next red paragraph: His whole fault with rit's plan is that he thinks it opens the opportunity for a mislynch, also he calls our Palmar, his only real read, again. Next red paragraph: here's he's just trying to create a problem, ritkoy wants to kill Palmar just as much as odin supposedly does, however he feels the need to once again say that something is off because rit won't put B in front of C, DESPITE the fact that rit literally says in his post that he'd be willing to change the order. This smacks of willful missreading on the part of odin. Your argument against me is:
-Odin thinks it's funny that Rit doesn't want to put his second highest scum read at the time to the rope before his null reads.
-Rit did say that. but by the time I had replied to this, Rit had made a pretty strong suggestion that he was going to put Cell C in front of B. So your point is out-dated and trying intent fully to misrepresent what I said.Last red paragraph: he's butthurt everyone wants A to go first because nobody wants to deal with a group where no one has posted. But odin once again construes this as bad because clearly rit is plotting with me Yes one of you is conspiring with the other. That much I know. Who's pocket is in whoms, I wasn't sure about.
But my catch up today leads me to lean towards Rit's actions being genuinely gung hoe town, you as scum being estatic to have such a useful face man, and just sheeping everything he says.In conclusion, odin says the post is "fishy" and "has an obvious agenda." Really? You just fucking analyzed this dude in red text and you can't take a strong position on it? The only agenda I saw reading this post was the one where odin portrayed ritoky as scummy for putting D and E last when that's what literally everyone in the thread wanted. I really feel like people either only red the read text or didn't read the post at all because there is nothing about this post that "looks good" or "looks town." This feels like a contrived mess from a scum who's been caught and isn't sure which misslynch will be his saving grace. Odin has been tunnel city on ritoky and still can't even call him scum. I used red text last time because I thought it would be easier to read. Here I used bolded this time, better? So freaking what? Maby I'll use yellow next time around. Who knows! And the fact you say I didn't come to a conclusion from it is just a blatant lie. If it was not obvious from my analysis on what my thoughts about Rit were at the time then.. I dunno, sorry I guess for not stating in italicized capital bold letters that I thought Rit was the probable scum in my group?
Even more so that said analysis wasn't even directed at Rit and more in response to mderg while I tried to understand his thought process?On May 29 2014 04:59 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Well I have to work tonight.
So I won't be around much longer.
I don't want Rit for mayor. Reasons I already said.
##Vote:batsnacks
His last chance to produce an actual read and the best he can do is say he doesn't want rit for mayor and votes batsnacks. This vote is odd as a townie because batsnacks doesn't want B to go first which was odin's whole problem with ritoky's plan, however as a scum it makes sense because it puts C first so Odin won't be under fire right away. I voted the only mayor wagon that was not Rit because I was fairly concerned with Rit at the time.
Excuse me for trying to prevent him from dictating what I saw, and still see as a easy mis-lynch opportunity.
The only thorn in your side on this plan is, I replaced into it. I highly encourage everyone to actually read odin's filter (it's short I promise and it's all in this post in case you forget) because I feel like at the moment there are people parroting what others have said regrading odin's towniness. So i think you can tell where i am leaning on Odin atm. Also, MZ, im not seeing what you are talking about his complete 180 from ritoky to you. If you can point it out a bit better, because im not seeing it. It seems like a natural progression from being a bit iffy on ritoky, to thinking you are scum, and giving reasonings for it.
People have asked that given my posts, and how I find things scummy about MZ's more recent stuff; why haven't I flipped. 2 reasons: 1) My huge early town read on MZ; 2) This point made by MZ.
Clearly if you did not find it, then you didn't read his filter very well. A lot of the points Odin makes are in nested quotes.
Let's look into his first 4 posts, and see how many times he goes after me, and how many times he goes after MZ. (All of this occurs before I am elected mayor):
On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I don't really like Rit's push for mayor. The whole way he words things seems flashy and contrived.
I have to really look at the motivation for it but I like what Bat said tbh.
If cell A goes first, scum get a easy ride on day1. Like everyone already knows I'm the lynch target in cell A.
Now assuming Rit is not scum, why would he push so hard for his own cell to go first when one of his members hasn't even posted? That's a big bet to take if your town. You're literally basing your first lynch on a coinflip.
So it's pretty obvious Palmar is the scum in B.
Holyflare is kind of making me worry too.
-Push for mayor super weird
-has a ton of filler post
-has a few prodding post with not so much follow up
Then again I'm going to just admit I have a hard time reading HF. So while I find HF to look odd, he does do this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum. But I don't think C is good group to go today anyway. So we'll have more time to see how it develops.
Between mderg/layabout I'm having a hard time.
Layabout is living up to his name. A few short filler post and he's gone.
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural.
QUOTE]On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:
On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before.
What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind?
Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends.
His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes.
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On May 29 2014 04:28 OdinOfPergo wrote:Ok so I'm just going to give you my analysis on that post. I'll post my thoughts in red.. Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. i basically didn´t attribute this post to his play. In this everything is based on reasoning and is elaborated. Elaborating on the cell order and giving proper reasons is exactly what I expect from the mayor. So I changed my mind from definitely not voting him to thinking about voting him. On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote:On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads? In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already. The town doesn't have a "wealth" of information. In fact, the only information that the town will have, if this goes through, is the scum in Cell A will be off in the obs qt laughing when I flip green. Like Rit's whole push for this seems odd. His insta town read on MZ for playing along with Freedom is a convenient way to make sure this goes along nicely.The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews). Why put C before B? In the previous sentence you admit to not being sure about someone? Like you do realize Cell C is probably the hardest group to make a read on? Cell B makes wayyyy more sense. I'm not entirely sure on the timeline for this post but Palmar has been playing anti-town since the beginning of the game. So this is a obvious choice anyway. So why put Cell C, with it's harder to read players, super early? To snag ez mislynches. People in this group won't have be being strongly read one way or the other more than likely. You're chances are better at landing a mislynch into this pool if you do it early.Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B. It's not that Poofter has pitted himself anywhere. Palmar literally claimed to be anti-town. More 'Murica buddying, like good for you right? If you're lucky you'll befriend enough of the town that you'll even get a town read after you get a mislynch day1. He even admits he's got a stronger read Cell B than C. Yet in his previous paragraph he wants to put C first, why?The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk. The last groups are simply at the back of the line becuase he "doesn't have info". Like why the hell is Cell A at the very front of his list then? Thrawn hadn't posted yet. How much less info could you have? Oh right, cuz MZ his Freedom loving cuddlebuddy. So ye, in conclusion.. What exactly was suppose to make me feel better in that post? It's fishy, and there is an obvious agenda in it.
Read the red text in that one, you'll find that even though it is a response to MZ, it is all about me and me having an agenda.
On May 29 2014 04:59 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Well I have to work tonight.
So I won't be around much longer.
I don't want Rit for mayor. Reasons I already said.
##Vote:batsnacks
So now that we have established that in his first 4 posts he has literally said nothing about MZ and everything has been about me, what has happened to make him shift gears?
On May 29 2014 22:12 OdinOfPergo wrote:
So because it's early game, there is no possible way mafia would run for mayor? What does who's going to be lurky and what not even matter for that tbh? Like, by the time a mayor gains traction and OBVIOUSLY by the time he is elected, they will have a pretty good idea. So why exactly can Rit's mayor push in no way be by possible mafia?
Part of his next quote, well he hasn't shifted gears yet.
On May 29 2014 22:53 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I mean also, like the fact both of you are doing it is a real head scratcher to me.
More so if you are actually town Rit. You obviously realize from that post "So deep in my pocket" that scum could easily be vying for your attention. Why let it slide then? You acknowledge the problem could exist, but do absolutely nothing to prevent it.
Still hasn't shifted.
Then suddenly, he town reads HolyFlare and poofter in a very large post and both basically tell him "hey, that ship has sailed, ritoky isn't mafia; move on"
And what happens next?
On May 30 2014 15:07 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I'm town, right now and other than the fact that neither one of Rit or MZ seem to be honestly trying to deduce my alignment I think Rit is the townier of the group for at least taking stabs at trying for the rest of the game.
I just skimmed the thread real fast though but iirc he says something like "MZ my freedombuddy obv just based on that alone still think Odin is the scum. Freedom never lies!" or at least along those lines.
His town read on MZ is based on terrible logic.
And his scum read on me is worse.
But only one of them can be scum.
And since MZ's soles contribution to this game is hard buddying 1 hr into it.
Following up with trying to get me lycnhed is just so bad.
Like he's pretty much saying he knows, as a fact, that Rit is town, and I am scum.
He never tries to figure it out. He just knows.
There is only 1 faction that knows alignments of every player. It's the opposite of mine.
Like, I don't understand how you don't see what MZ is talking about. Half of this guy's filter is tunnel on me, then he gets drunk and frustrated; wakes up the next day, listens to HF and poofter about me being town, and then tunnels on the other guy.
He makes nearly 0 comments about MZ until AFTER his drunken posts. How is that not a complete 180?
The fact that you don't see it is beyond me.
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On May 31 2014 05:30 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 05:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 31 2014 05:26 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 05:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 31 2014 05:16 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 31 2014 05:11 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 05:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On May 31 2014 05:02 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Poofter Where in the actual fuck are you?
I swear I'm this fuckinga close to changing my mind and actually believing palmar is town. (Not really but still)
As for MZ, he is a fighter. I've seen him play like this before going down, and he is playing well. It's unfortunate that ritoky right now is playing like shit and making our decision difficult.
What's with all of this flip flop bullshit? Robik how in the actual fuck can you be voting for Odin? I really really wanted to vote for MZ, but that would mean that the bus in my group is real and I don't want to believe that scum would want to bus a d1 lynch. As for Ritoky, I was his coach in his newbie game. While he says he's been playing online mafia for 5+ years, nothing that he did in that newbie game would lead me to believe that he would man up and take the reigns and try to be town mayor. The fact that he did that, given my perception that he would be timid as town, makes me think that he is town BECAUSE I don't think that a timid town instantly turns into an outspoken mafia. this leads odin to being the scum in cell A. is there any proof behind this or do you just have him by poe? Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot.
The fact that Odin seems to have felt safe and hasn't been back to the thread makes me lean scummier though. Like, the dude is in the first lynch group. He has to put in a solid 72 hours of work including the mayor shit (unless that was also 48hrs -- which would be lolworthy long), and he's not willing to be around for the last half of the last day that he can possibly contribute. DAFUQ is that bullshit. Oh so you mean like ritoky who afked for the better part of the post-mayoral election? And I absolutely did not clear odin for his drunk shit. Whatever, I concede that it may be Rikoty, but like, I don't like MZ for scum anymore. I'm putting my ass on the line here. Like if we don't lynch MZ and it's a miss, I feel like I'm gonna be facing the wrath of 7 hells tomorrow. This ALSO makes no sense because current thread consensus is STILL towards MZ being scum so if you're wrong, then a whole shit ton of us are wrong---why would we single you out or blame you specifically? Your thinking in this game is completely wonky and I don't like it one bit. Cause I'm one of the biggest proponents for not lynching MZ right now. If we don't lynch him and lynch rikoty or odin instead and the person we lynch comes back town, there will be backlash at me for pushing away from MZ who could have been maf. I don't think this logic is that difficult to follow. Not sure if your brain is fried or you're trying to misconstrue what I'm saying. wtf? Oh nvm you said if we 'don't lynch MZ and it's a miss. Fine but the rest of what I have said still stands. Your first concern shouldn't be 'the rest of the thread oh noes.' My main concern is lynching the right person. Based off of the fact that I'm town and two people in my cell are voting MZ, that makes me believe that he's not the right lynch. I don't know which one of odin/ritoky it is, but I lean Odin for the aforementioned reasons. It could be Ritoky though, and if I can vote to save MZ right now, I would vote Ritoky over Odin
I thought you thought Odin was the scummier of the two? You said in Ritoky's newbie game you coached him, he was timid, therefor you don't believe he would be so outspoken as to run for mayor as mafia. You commented about how Odin disappearing from the thread as soon as he was clear with most people was scummy. So... why would you vote Ritoky over Odin now?
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Am I reading that sentence wrong or something cause in the same post you say you lean Odin for the aforementioned reasons.
Which is it this:
I lean Odin for the aforementioned reasons
Or this:
if I can vote to save MZ right now, I would vote Ritoky over Odin
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Did I not words?
I would vote Odin over Ritoky, but if it were between MZ and Ritoky, I would vote Ritoky to save MZ.
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And like where the fuck does this fit?
Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot.
WHat makes MZ the towniest of all of those three that warrants saving him in the first place?
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On May 31 2014 05:49 IAmRobik wrote:
Did I not words?
I would vote Odin over Ritoky, but if it were between MZ and Ritoky, I would vote Ritoky to save MZ.
Okay what about if it could be any of the three and your vote was the only one that mattered?
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On May 31 2014 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
And like where the fuck does this fit?
Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot.
WHat makes MZ the towniest of all of those three that warrants saving him in the first place?
There's exactly 1 townie post that MZ has and the rest is 1000000000000% to do with the fact that I know that AT LEAST one mafia is voting for him. AT LEAST! Most likely 2, possibly 3 or even 4.
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On May 31 2014 05:51 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 05:49 IAmRobik wrote:
Did I not words?
I would vote Odin over Ritoky, but if it were between MZ and Ritoky, I would vote Ritoky to save MZ.
Okay what about if it could be any of the three and your vote was the only one that mattered?
If it was a regular mafia game with no additional information, I'd vote MZ today.
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On May 31 2014 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
And like where the fuck does this fit?
Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot.
WHat makes MZ the towniest of all of those three that warrants saving him in the first place? There's exactly 1 townie post that MZ has and the rest is 1000000000000% to do with the fact that I know that AT LEAST one mafia is voting for him. AT LEAST! Most likely 2, possibly 3 or even 4.
So because you believe it impossible for mafia to ever bus, you immediately think MZ is town.
K good to we have some critical thinkers here.
Whatever. Stay the course, gentlemen (and lady). MZ DIES THIS DAY
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+ Show Spoiler + Ok, despite taking my daily traz dose, I still can't sleep!!. That said, I am going to lay on my bed and wish I was asleep regardless. So do not treat this post like I am around pls. But seriously look at this post. It's basically a scum claim. On May 31 2014 05:30 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 05:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 31 2014 05:26 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 05:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 31 2014 05:16 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 31 2014 05:11 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 05:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On May 31 2014 05:02 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Poofter Where in the actual fuck are you?
I swear I'm this fuckinga close to changing my mind and actually believing palmar is town. (Not really but still)
As for MZ, he is a fighter. I've seen him play like this before going down, and he is playing well. It's unfortunate that ritoky right now is playing like shit and making our decision difficult.
What's with all of this flip flop bullshit? Robik how in the actual fuck can you be voting for Odin? I really really wanted to vote for MZ, but that would mean that the bus in my group is real and I don't want to believe that scum would want to bus a d1 lynch. As for Ritoky, I was his coach in his newbie game. While he says he's been playing online mafia for 5+ years, nothing that he did in that newbie game would lead me to believe that he would man up and take the reigns and try to be town mayor. The fact that he did that, given my perception that he would be timid as town, makes me think that he is town BECAUSE I don't think that a timid town instantly turns into an outspoken mafia. this leads odin to being the scum in cell A. is there any proof behind this or do you just have him by poe? Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot.
The fact that Odin seems to have felt safe and hasn't been back to the thread makes me lean scummier though. Like, the dude is in the first lynch group. He has to put in a solid 72 hours of work including the mayor shit (unless that was also 48hrs -- which would be lolworthy long), and he's not willing to be around for the last half of the last day that he can possibly contribute. DAFUQ is that bullshit. Oh so you mean like ritoky who afked for the better part of the post-mayoral election? And I absolutely did not clear odin for his drunk shit. Whatever, I concede that it may be Rikoty, but like, I don't like MZ for scum anymore. I'm putting my ass on the line here. Like if we don't lynch MZ and it's a miss, I feel like I'm gonna be facing the wrath of 7 hells tomorrow. This ALSO makes no sense because current thread consensus is STILL towards MZ being scum so if you're wrong, then a whole shit ton of us are wrong---why would we single you out or blame you specifically? Your thinking in this game is completely wonky and I don't like it one bit. Cause I'm one of the biggest proponents for not lynching MZ right now. If we don't lynch him and lynch rikoty or odin instead and the person we lynch comes back town, there will be backlash at me for pushing away from MZ who could have been maf. I don't think this logic is that difficult to follow. Not sure if your brain is fried or you're trying to misconstrue what I'm saying. wtf? Oh nvm you said if we 'don't lynch MZ and it's a miss. Fine but the rest of what I have said still stands. Your first concern shouldn't be 'the rest of the thread oh noes.' My main concern is lynching the right person. Based off of the fact that I'm town and two people in my cell are voting MZ, that makes me believe that he's not the right lynch. I don't know which one of odin/ritoky it is, but I lean Odin for the aforementioned reasons. It could be Ritoky though, and if I can vote to save MZ right now, I would vote Ritoky over Odin On May 31 2014 05:49 IAmRobik wrote:
Did I not words?
I would vote Odin over Ritoky, but if it were between MZ and Ritoky, I would vote Ritoky to save MZ.
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On May 31 2014 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
And like where the fuck does this fit?
Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot.
WHat makes MZ the towniest of all of those three that warrants saving him in the first place? There's exactly 1 townie post that MZ has and the rest is 1000000000000% to do with the fact that I know that AT LEAST one mafia is voting for him. AT LEAST! Most likely 2, possibly 3 or even 4. So because you believe it impossible for mafia to ever bus, you immediately think MZ is town. K good to we have some critical thinkers here. Whatever. Stay the course, gentlemen (and lady). MZ DIES THIS DAY
Did you JUST express some disdain for a MZ lynch? Like, less than a page ago yelling about how Ritoky is the best lynch. You really think I'm that scummy that you're gonna throw away your reads because of that? Cool fucking beans brah
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On May 31 2014 04:51 Holyflare wrote:
People talk about massive bussing on mz. Robik decides it's no longer massive bussing # logic
Get the fuck on mz, the fact it's no longer unanimous should be obvious.
Been at a meeting the Palmer Robik attempt at a counter wagon is cute. MZ Robik Palmer and town wins don't even have to mess with D and E.
##Vote Meapek_Z
I'm glad Odin subbed for thrawn or we probably would have missed here.
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On May 31 2014 06:00 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 05:51 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 05:49 IAmRobik wrote:
Did I not words?
I would vote Odin over Ritoky, but if it were between MZ and Ritoky, I would vote Ritoky to save MZ.
Okay what about if it could be any of the three and your vote was the only one that mattered? If it was a regular mafia game with no additional information, I'd vote MZ today.
You know full and we'll the meta in cell mafia is try for ML but bus the obv scum. Your posting activity makes me think you're town but your logic and content makes me think you're scum.
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On May 31 2014 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
And like where the fuck does this fit?
Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot.
WHat makes MZ the towniest of all of those three that warrants saving him in the first place? There's exactly 1 townie post that MZ has and the rest is 1000000000000% to do with the fact that I know that AT LEAST one mafia is voting for him. AT LEAST! Most likely 2, possibly 3 or even 4. So because you believe it impossible for mafia to ever bus, you immediately think MZ is town. K good to we have some critical thinkers here. Whatever. Stay the course, gentlemen (and lady). MZ DIES THIS DAY
WoS do you consider this a pro busing setup? Also + Show Spoiler + ladies! Tambo is in the game too
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Counting of votes:
OdinOfPergo (3): Palmar, Meapak_Ziphh, IAmRobik, ritoky
ritoky (3): mderg, Palmar, mtamburini
Meapak_Ziphh (9): WaveofShadow, slOosh, layabout, OdinOfPergo, Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, Holyflare, batsnacks, 27ninjabunnies, Tehpoofter
Currently, Meapak_Ziphh is set to be lynched.
You have until Friday, May 30 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ) to vote.
Voting is mandatory!
+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +VOTE: WaveofShadow voted Meapak_Ziphh ( post) VOTE: slOosh voted Meapak_Ziphh ( post) VOTE: layabout voted meapak ziph (Meapak_Ziphh) ( post) VOTE: Palmar voted OdinOfPergo ( post) VOTE: OdinOfPergo voted Meapak_Ziphh ( post) VOTE: mderg voted ritoky ( post) VOTE: Palmar unvoted OdinOfPergo ( post) VOTE: Palmar voted Meapak (Meapak_Ziphh) ( post) VOTE: ObiWanShinobi voted meapak (Meapak_Ziphh) ( post) VOTE: Palmar unvoted Meapak_Ziphh ( post) VOTE: Palmar voted ritoky ( post) VOTE: Holyflare voted meapak z (Meapak_Ziphh) ( post) VOTE: batsnacks voted Meapak_Ziphh ( post) VOTE: Meapak_Ziphh voted OdinOfPergo ( post) VOTE: IAmRobik voted odinofprego (OdinOfPergo) ( post) VOTE: ritoky voted Odinofpergo (OdinOfPergo) ( post) VOTE: 27ninjabunnies voted Meapak_Ziphh ( post) VOTE: mtamburini voted RITOKY (ritoky) ( post) VOTE: Tehpoofter voted Meapek_Z (Meapak_Ziphh) ( post)
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WoS, you must feel so warm and cuddly voting with banks.
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On May 31 2014 06:09 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 06:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 31 2014 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
And like where the fuck does this fit?
Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot.
WHat makes MZ the towniest of all of those three that warrants saving him in the first place? There's exactly 1 townie post that MZ has and the rest is 1000000000000% to do with the fact that I know that AT LEAST one mafia is voting for him. AT LEAST! Most likely 2, possibly 3 or even 4. So because you believe it impossible for mafia to ever bus, you immediately think MZ is town. K good to we have some critical thinkers here. Whatever. Stay the course, gentlemen (and lady). MZ DIES THIS DAY Did you JUST express some disdain for a MZ lynch? Like, less than a page ago yelling about how Ritoky is the best lynch. You really think I'm that scummy that you're gonna throw away your reads because of that? Cool fucking beans brah
No, I just want to be sure I'm considering all the options and wanted people to talk with me about the possibilities of tat being ritoky.
I never changed my mind at all.
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