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any counter claims? | ||
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On March 26 2014 14:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey thrawn do you think i am saying what Holyflare thinks i am? Also 1 is also true, it was the heading that was a lie.  if the heading was the lie then there is no way i'm unvoting you | ||
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so you're givnig holyflare a town read based on a statement about his play last game which isn't accurate, and a "i think thrawn is smarter than HF so thrawn must be scum" argument when I know you repect HF's reads more than you do mine. and like hf is saying, nothing you have said about robik has made any sense. so what is going on? | ||
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please give quotes, and they have to come from before you decided I was mafia for being "dumb" for the story of your thrawn-read to make sense (there won't be any) | ||
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On March 26 2014 14:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe Holyflare is just retarded like in last game but i think thrawn is not so he must be mafia. On March 15 2014 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have a brilliant game plan that can't possibly fail: D1 lynch whoever Holyflare says because he's most likely right or bussing. D2 lynch Holyflare because he was changing his scumplay or he wasn't. D3 ask Coag to post his townie seal. Lynch him because if he doesn't he's mafia, if he does - policy. D4 lynch DarthPunk as a policy to ruin his scum stats. D5 lynch Koshi because at some point he will call me mafia and regardless of my affiliation convince Palmar it's the correct play to top my chances of winning the game. Also he has already won a game as SK and noone should win two games as SK. D6 lynch VE - same SK reasoning as for Koshi. D7 lynch Wave based on a feeling that he might be mafia. D8 party with Palmar - lynch Artanis because he hasn't posted enough (i decide what's enough). Profit! edit: forgot something http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/uG2jK5Pqdr44 posts 272 and 150 there's no way rayn trusts me to be able to read him more than he trusts holyflare | ||
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I thought rayn was lying about point #2 because of how stupid it was. So I thought he was scum reading robik but I wanted to make sure I was interpreting the post correctly apparently #2 is truth so rayn's mafia | ||
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On March 26 2014 15:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: To clarify. I think Holyflare is "capable" of using shitlogic like this because i have seen him doing that as town before. For example Holyflare defended vivax in the last game based on something he didn't know fuck about, he only knew half of the story. thrawn however does not do this as town. He is mostly laid back, doesn't jump onto conclusions with incomplete informatio. Remember, that has nothing to do with maked bad calls (like in LXIV: restart) based on complete picture. I am talking about filling the puzzle with something he makes up himself. In fact the only time i have seen him do this is as mafia in Extractor trick which made me instantly catch him. And i think we have just seen the same thing here. wtf are you talking about? you're just saying words do you really wanna stand by the statement that town thrawn doesn't jump to conclusions? | ||
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On March 26 2014 16:47 phagga wrote: Why are you voting rayn? I don't see an explanation in your filter. then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense. the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content... "2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." -i doubt rayn doesn't care about winning the belt - "I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative" what the fuck does this even mean? if robik is scum then of course he is not "some sort of psychic" who is excellent at reading rayn. if robik is scum the robik KNOWS RAYN IS TOWN and doesn't need to try and figure out if rayn is town. like... i can't properly explain the problem I have with this quote because I don't even know what the quote is meant to say. it's just nonsense. -this line: "i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." WTF DOES THIS MEAN? it's the same as the earlier quote. rayn is just talking nonsense here which is the easiest way to figure out his alignment. when I read rayn's game my first thought was "ok, rayn is being sarcastic for most if not all of this" so I ask him to clarify if he was actually reading robik as scum but he says all those statements are real? lol | ||
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On March 27 2014 03:44 gumshoe wrote: Thrawn, when you get back I'd like you to clarify the lie, was it the same one Rayn and Holy were talking about? What point did you see to not being 100 percent genuine? Who do you think is scum now? origianly I thought the "lie" hf was talking about was that I said I voted rayn because of his game post, when in fact the game post happened after i voted for rayn. so I was confused, but whatever, I thought maybe I just had a blazinghand moment. but since then I've checked the threads and rayn's game post did indeed come before I voted for him, so no I did not lie about that. if the accusation is that I lied in some other way then I have no idea what hf is talking about | ||
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anyways. reading thread now | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=4#63 palmar makes the first "real" post of the game by asking about rayn's meta. further posts from palmar indicate that he's done his own research. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=4#73 I have no idea how to read people who open like this. Best just to ignore it unless gumshoe keeps talking about it. So here ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=4#78 ) palmar asked what to me looks like a forced question, but his follow up of "getting a thread moving is hard" suggests that he knows he just asked a forced question, out of necessity to start discussion. I think Palmar is town so far. Here (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=5#81) rayn is setting a trap for gumshoe, trying to catch gumshoe based off of what rayn knows scum gum would do. I think that is townie and slightly difficult to fake as scum. I like the way gumshoe is interacting with palmar. He doesn't seem scared or anything like that. Unfortunately this palmar/gum/rayn thing starts getting really boring and I'm not developing any reads off of what I'm reading. I think what is going on is that gumshoe and palmar are town, and gumshoe is not understanding that A) palmar's stuff is forced, but it's sorta forced on purpose so that he can start discussion and B) palmar's expectations of answers rayn might give are different that gumshoe's expectations of palmar's expectations of answers that rayn might give. So far I think palmar/rayn and gumshoe are all town, and I'm the least sure about gumshoe because he's kinda hard to read. It might just be the way he talks. Here's ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=6#101 ) marv's first real post of the game and I do not like. Does marv really expect that gumshoe must be voting for palmar this early based on what gumshoe has said? This question seems a little stupid for marv. annnnnd palmar votes for gumshoe. this was unexpected. dunno what to think. marv comes in talking about this gum/palmar stuff and tbh it's a very annoying read, lots of arguing over "who thought who thought what" and it's hard to follow. so I'm gonna skim the rest of this "part" of the thread. And here's (page 8/9) Robik! He's being an ass, he's acting like he's the shit, he's making early game reads based on nothing, and he's expecting everyone to take everything he says for granted. Seems like town robik to me. Holyflare does something interesting. On page 9 he lays into robik, grilling robik over robik's town read on rayn. Every question that holyflare asks robik comes with the assumption that rayn does not deserve the town read that robik's giving him. So why hasn't holyflare discussed his read on rayn, if he doesn't think that rayn is townie? He's pointing out all these problems with rayn's play but he himself does not care about his percieved problems with rayn's play. Scum points. Here ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=9#176 ) is what I'm talking about. After reading that post you would assume that hf has a scumread on rayn, but he doesn't mention it. Robik says that hf's point against palmar (rayn's town claim) is bad. I agree, I also took rayn's post as a town claim. Interesting that holyflar did not (or couldn't) see it that way. Annnd here's (page 10) rayn's game post. i don't want to read this section of the thread lol. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I'm reading all this stuff again and rayn's posts make a lot more sense than they did when I read them the first time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=13#242 ehhhh fuck i really hate being buddied like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=13#251 this post is very different than how hf acted last game when he caught dp Phagga comes into the thread at pg 13 and starts asking me questions. the questions seem alright i guess? I mean it looks like he is really trying to figure out what I'm talking about. I'm slightly town on phagga. Oh, before I forget, holyflare accused robik of lying, but i haven't seen him say anything about his read on robik in awhile. I'll see how long it takes him to remember his robik scum-red. It didn't take long ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=15#287 ) I'm kinda confused about what hf's reads are at this point. He hasn't retracted his scumread of robik but he's not really trying to develop that read. He's telling rayn that rayn is being hypocritical for attacking thrawn for something that rayn is also doing, does this mean holyflare thinks both rayn and thrawn are scummy? That seems like a werid position because hf had been buddying me up till this point, and I don't think that anyone can be reading the game and think that BOHT rayn and I could be mafia. HF makes other posts before the one I just linked that suspect hes thinks i might have done something fishy... but he's not really talking about his thrawn-read. All of it just seems weird, like hf is calling everyone and nobody mafia. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=17#337 So here's the "lie" I told? I have no idea what hf is talking about. There's no lie there. I voted rayn after asking rayn a question, therefore.... what? In the very post that hf quoted, i said "the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now" which means that my actual reason for voting for rayn had nothing to do with anything I posted in the thread at the time i voted for rayn. The real, main reason I voted for rayn was because the game post felt extremely fake. All of it. It was too happy, or wierd, idk how to describe it. But it didn't feel right, it felt extremely forced and bad. The reason I eneded up unvoting rayn later on is that I remembered something that happened in the PM game. town rayn was trying to make a fake qt and I thought that the qt didn't look real, to me it was obvious that rayn was faking his posts. This is closer to how I felt after reading rayn's "game" post. It matched my memory of town rayn faking posts, which is understandble because when writing a "game" where people need to figure out if you're lying, you are naturually going to write in a way that makes it difficult for them to do so. So it should be obvious to anyone who's read these notes that I am scumreading hf. The scumreads he decides to talk about seem to change with the whim of the thread, and his cases (against palmar and me) are bad. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=20#390 posts like these are what I don't understand about holyflare's play. He'll have a scumread on someone, then drop that scumread to take up another scumread, then agree with points that his scumread is making, and all these things seem to happen so that holyflare fits in well with the thread's current opinion. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=23#448 lol, prplhz. objectively it's a "scummy and useless" thing to say but tbh I town read him for posts like that. does mafia go "i don't have a single read so far" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=23#453 marv let me know fi you still want answers to this. i don't really care to talk about any of that also. GODDAMMIT MARV. i hate buddying. there's no reason for you to play nice with me. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=24#464 this reinforces my town read on rayn. it shows his thought process, like he's thinking about the game as a puzzle, which is how townies approach the game rather than scum who know alignments (page 25) I have a hard time believing marv is serious about this palmar vote. palmar seems kinda townie to me so far. also, marv is refusing to talk to palmar and is not explaining why he thinks palmar is mafia. he's playing it off like he's above having to do those things, but he isn't and he should know that. eh. but marv is just so casual about all of this. i dont know what to think about him atm. Ok, around pages 27-29 my reads on holyflare, palmar, and marv have flip flopped several times, most of it being related to associative tells based on hf and marv pointing out some questionable things that palmar said. So my reads on all 3 of them have weakend (except marv really, i've never had a real read on him) but the reads are still the same. I think i'm losing my townread on phagga. he asked some reasonable stuff at the beginning but he's barely around, and hardly around for very long. it's not very difficult for scum to only say smart things if they don't actually say very many things. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=30#591 lol, prplhz is still hilarious and I still think he's town. the only way he's mafia is if he's going for the "let's only do things and post things that everyone will think is too scummy to be scum" plan gumshoe comes in around pages 32/33 and sorta defends me and i'm not sure how I feel about it. i think this ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=33#658 ) post might be the tipping point, the point where's he's defending me too hard. my problem with gum's position is that it doesn't seem like he's wondering if I could be mafia, he's only seeing things from town-thrawn's PoV. He should at least TRY to see if there is a scum thrawn PoV. sooo scum points for gumshoe http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=34#662 then gumshoe caves in and starts scumreading me... was that all it took? he spent two pages defending me and suddenly he flips his read because of a meta statement from rayn that gumshow ust took for granted? | ||
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On March 27 2014 10:57 gumshoe wrote: I presented a meta argument in your favour to counter the meta one against you. When my reasoning was over turned I conceded for the moment, but I was by no means prepared to completely wright you off as scum and was still eager to hear you out. Do you think that makes me scummy? none of the meta presented by anyone has been correct. i am usually laid back, but sometimes i can be very aggressive. just go look at wc2, it'll debunk almost every meta argument that's been made against me. the isse i had with your posts is that you started from the postion that indicated that you weren't willing to consider that i'm mafia, as if you knew my alignment. then you suddenly change your read over a meta argument that isn't even accurate, and you're not even trying to do the meta research yourself. | ||
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I still think you could be mafia. I was pretty certain about this up until this post, that's the part I mentioned in my notes where I started doubting my reads on you and palmar. I thought it was a nice catch, regardless of if it meant anything, and it made me start paying more attention to marv's palmar wagon. But if it weren't for marv's case, I'd probably be voting you becaseu like I said in the notes, it looks like you're willing to call everybody mafia, and you only focus on the player that it's the safest to focus on. about palmar/marv: I think both of them were being kinda stupid and uncooperative, but marv was doing it in a way that felt way more natural. Marv pointed this out in his case, that palmar's interactions with marv during their spat were just bad and unnatural. Like it's cool if you are going to troll and vote people for no reason, which is what both of them seemed to be doing to each other. But Palmar seemed like he eas going for both the troll/serious route, which doesn't make any sense. Whereas it looks like marv was kinda trolling but eventually his suspicious turned into a real read because of how palmar reacted to it. everything else is probably very similar to what was in the notes, with the expection of my read on gumshoe becaseu right now I have no idea what it is | ||
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like earlier, marv asked you something about palmar. you said you'd lynch palmar after me. so what does that mean? what is your actual read on palmar? you also ignored my question about marv's case | ||
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On March 27 2014 15:28 Palmar wrote: Marv I love you, this case is great is he still mafia? | ||
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so your case is that marv is mafia because he is "wrong?" | ||
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so I have no idea. and now palmar comes out with his claim of not having read his PM, which I guess is most likely to be true because I know he's done it before. why am I different? lol, I wish I knew. I think I have this problem where if I play too many games in a row I start forgetting how to find mafia or something | ||
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On March 27 2014 18:12 phagga wrote: You have been bickering with Marv and never tried to put your thoughts into the thread. You were useless over several pages, and that's not how you play as town. Also I completely agree with marvs case on you. you aren';t factoring his "i haven't read my role PM claim"? if it's true then marv's case literally counts for nothing. if he hasn;t read his PM then the only way you can reasonably call palmar mafia is if you do it by PoE | ||
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On March 27 2014 18:24 Holyflare wrote: if palmar hasn't read his role pm then he is pushing marv based on any alignment, what if it's a scum pm? what if he has actually read it? palmar's play this game has been useless so it's no strong leap to go from useless palmar to ---> scummy palmar and it certainly isn't something to paint someone scummy over for making a case on it the bolded part is absolutely true and this also classifies as palmar laying "a trap" (i.e not read role pm so anyone making case on me is actually mafia) is a trap. Which palmar disliked (whether joking or not) earlier on rayn. So do we policy/scum lynch him now? you just told me that it's pointless to think about marv's case becaue palmar hasn't read the pm do you not understand what not reading a role PM means? it means you don't have the knowledge that scum has, it means that you are posting without knowing alignments. if someone hasb;t read their PM then it's absoultey impossible to figure out their alignment other than using PoE as to the policy lynch question honestly i would like to policy lynch him but I'm never able to follow through on those. i'm definitely going to include a rule about reading your role PM in future games if you're gonna even try to figure out palmar's alignment then you must be open to the idea that he is lying about not reading his pm. is that what you're suggesting? | ||
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process of elimination, if you are going to vote for palmar, you need to justify it with one of 2 things 1 policy lynch for him being an asshoel 2 prove that he must be scum because you have town reads on everyone else | ||
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On March 27 2014 18:34 marvellosity wrote: come on sheeples, it's time to get into line. u think he's lying? | ||
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On March 27 2014 18:34 thrawn2112 wrote: process of elimination, if you are going to vote for palmar, you need to justify it with one of 2 things 1 policy lynch for him being an asshoel 2 prove that he must be scum because you have town reads on everyone else or 3, that he's lying about not reading his PM | ||
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On March 27 2014 18:37 marvellosity wrote: don't understand what's hard to grasp. do you think palmar read his PM? yes or no | ||
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On March 27 2014 18:42 phagga wrote: Do you think Palmar will not try to play like town if he does not read his Role PM? you're avoiding the main issue for you to take the position you're taking, you HAVE to be telling us that you think palmar is lying abotu reading his PM. there is no other possible way for you to think that he's mafia | ||
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On March 27 2014 18:45 prplhz wrote: i think what marv means is that palmar looks like scum if he didn't read his role pm and looks like scum all we know is that he looks like scum and then we should lynch him if he DID read his role pm and looks like scum all we know is that he looks like scum and then we should lynch him he thinks it's silly to invalidate an entire case just because "maybe the subject of the case didn't read his pm", i mean you need to evaluate a case by its contents not by whether or not the subject did or did not read his pm the bolded is false and lazy | ||
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and i don't think i'm playing against wincon. i spent a real long time reading the entire thread and posting all those notes, tbh the only reason I did that was because I knew I needed to in order to not get lynched. i wish something more productive would have come out of it, and I was working on part 4 and then I read your palmar case, and decided i liked it better than anything I'd thought of so far. so I don't know what you mean by trolling unless you're only talking about my ramen comment | ||
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i dont relly know what to do about prplhz because i know he probably wont show up so I'll just have to see if I end up clearing everyone else first | ||
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So that leaves phagga, who I think is mafia. + Show Spoiler [quote 1] + On March 26 2014 16:32 phagga wrote: Haven't read everything past this post: You have twisted rayns words around. Rayn never says he reads robik town because of his smilies, as was explained before. Also: Let me say in different words what rayn said: "I don't believe the smilie thing is a reliable tell, but we'll see about that when / if he does that in a couple more games and if he's right or wrong". That's how I understood it at least. It's possible that you just misunderstood that second sentence, but rayn told you (at least once, perhaps even several times) that you are misreading it, and you just kept on pushing your points. So, I don't like your position currently. Will read the rest of the thread now. "I don't like your position currently." What does this have to do with finding mafia? Phagga has made it pretty clear that he thinks holyflare is on the "incorrect" side of this rayn/hf argument, but he concludes nothing about holyflare's alginment despite this. I am not even saying that phagga should be calling hf scum here, jsut that he should at least have an opinion on holyflare's alignment if he's going to go to all the trouble of combating holyflare's arguments. + Show Spoiler [ quote 2] + On March 26 2014 22:47 phagga wrote: I don't like his non-comment on HF/rayn, and the fact that on D1 Palmar would normally be working harder for a lynch (although is still rather early in the day, that might change). But I wouldn't lynch him over Thrawn currently. The bolded part is what makes phagga mafia. I think it is odd that he felt that he needed to include that last line. IF phagga is mafia then he knows palmar is mafia, and he knows that he needs to be careful when talking about palmar. So I think that his answer of "yes, I agree that palmar is scummy, but I don't want to lynch him" is a very tactful way of allowing himself to not disagree that his teammate isn't scum, yet still keep his vote on a townie. + Show Spoiler [quote 3] + On March 27 2014 17:13 phagga wrote: up to page 35 rayn - Several points that I liked through the game: Behaviour around Palmar-gumshoe, His explanations regarding robik, his robik-read, his case on thrawn HF - town for HF/rayn-argument gumshoe - probably town for his exchange with Palmar IAmRobik - leaning town, I can follow his explanations about tone and the storyline holds up marv - I have no clue. He is being such a dick with witholding information that I feel unsure now prplhz - Null. Scummy points: no reads after readthrough, very passive, townie points: is prplhz Palmar - might be scum. I don't know what he is doing or what he hopes to achieve, but it doesn't really remind me of town Palmar, and I cannot see a townie motivation behind is behaviour thrawn - scum Some of these reads aren't even reads. By that I mean that doesn't actually define the reads in a way that allows people to hold him accountable for them either. The reads on prplhz/palmar are what I'm talking about. The other reads are based off an ill-explained small pieces of information. I also think it is interesting that he had the most to say about palmar, yet his read was still inconclusive. So now we have to ask, did phagga bus palmar? His vote was the 5th vote on the palmar wagon, which is generally within the range when "I guess my partner is being lynched for sure" buss votes pile on. I don't know why phagga decided to change his vote. Once he initially voted for me during the early game he was pretty set on lynching me for most of the day, while being mostly wishy washy about palmar. So why did this change? Once it was clear that palmar was going to be lynched, phagga became all about that palmar lynch, and this is why I think phagga changed his mind about lynching thrawn before palmar, because he knew he needed to end up on the palmar wagon. | ||
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On March 28 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote: The part where he loves to lynch all liars and agrees that you lied when me and rayn were talking about you and then 180's on you completely and ignores everything about you. i didn't lie, nothing in the shit you said I did consitutes a lie, saying it does over and over doesn't make it true On March 28 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote: Or the part where you scum read me for jumping on people within 10 minutes or whatever bs you're talking about but your voting pattern is way more erratic and doing the same thing. hypocrisy =/= mafia. and just based on how your phrasing my arguments I can tell you aren't even thinking about them On March 28 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote: Or the part where palmar slips you are scum when we question him. you need evidence? On March 28 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote: Or the part where you unvote and start to defend palmar but then drop away completely without a care. So what? I actually believed his nonreading role Pm claim because I've seen him do it before. at that point in the game I finally had a read a felt realyl good about, then he comes in and says something that could completely invalidate the read (you even agreed with this when I asked you about mar'vs case on palmar and you told me that it doesn't mean anything because palmar hadn't read his PM) On March 28 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote: Or the part where you still scum read me even though i claimed doc and pointed out palmar was scum news to me On March 28 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote: Or the part where you comment on everything in the game but your only conclusion was that i was scum when everyone else thought it made me town and this makes me scum how? On March 28 2014 16:14 Holyflare wrote: Or the part where you wrote wall of text notes and conclude nothing else about anything. Or the part where you only really start to ask questions to people when palmar starts dying/has died? so you want me to jsut stfu? not going to happen. after i wrote those walls i knew I wasn't going to be lynched. when i woke up and saw that palmar had basically scumclaimed there was nothing to talk about until after the flip [/QUOTE] so how about you either fuck off or actually start playing the game? what do you think about phagga? | ||
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On March 28 2014 17:43 Holyflare wrote: You vote at 8:26pm or something my time which is 8 hours after he already claimed scum i was sleeping during all of that | ||
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On March 28 2014 17:54 Holyflare wrote: right so then your reason for voting palmar should be "he claimed scum" not the "i didnt like when he didn't defend when he read his pm" that's the same thing and that's what i meant | ||
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On March 28 2014 17:56 Holyflare wrote: no... it's not at all because he ACTUALLY CLAIMED SCUM he was scum before he claimed scum | ||
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well the least I can do is make it that so if I get lynched tomorrow then it will be obvious who scum is after my flip | ||
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my case is on phagga is because i read his filter and i think he is mafia.... | ||
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scum partner 1 is obvsiouly dying scum partner 2 decides to be useless, instead of bussing their partner who is obvuiously dying? | ||
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On March 28 2014 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: To me it's not unclear why phagga is voting for Palmar. In fact it's one of the best explained votes on him. isn't that how bus votes usualyl work? dont you think that a scummate would know why their partner is scum? | ||
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lol are you saying i need to get the same level of drunk and tired and then try to defend what i did earlier when i was drunk and tired? ehhh | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:05 Holyflare wrote: like i don't buy it that as a townie you come back from sleeping and open up the thread, read half of it and then vote and then read the rest of it? thrawn wakes up ----> reads up to the point palmar says he is doc ---> votes palmar ----> makes case on phagga?? I asked him why he voted palmar and he said it was because he didn't defend himself when he claimed doc, if he read the rest of the thread the reason would be that he claimed scum etc etc. I read all of it? but the post where he said he opened his PM, then he lazily claimed doc covniced me to vote for him. if he opened his PM and he was town then he probably actualyl would have called marv mafia (remember that I was working under the assumption that he probably did not read his role PM) i did read the rest but i'd already decided to vote him based on that post. i skimmed the rest and none of it convinced me not to change my mind about the read I formed off of his lazy doc claim | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:16 phagga wrote: I wasn't "meh i dno", I said he could be scum for the way he behaves, specifically for not commenting on anything and instead bicker uselessly with Marv. How does my agreement with marvs case contradict that statement? And I'm assuming for now that the last sentence is a joke. do you still think i'm mafia? | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn i wanted to ask you about this: Why are you being so overly defensive here? You are not even addressing what Holyflare says here. it's annoying, he;s saying I lied. nothing in what he';s saying I did is a lie. and even without that, there';s nothing in what he;s saying i did that makes me scummy tbh I think that;s the main reason so many people sheeped the thrawn wagon, like they just casually read hf's stuff and assumed it must be true or something. i've made a few posts about how it no such lie exists and hf keeps coming back with "no you lied gg no re" and it's getting really irritating tldr hf is an ass | ||
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so much so that he said that even though he was reading palmar as wishy washy maybe scum, he'd still rahter lynch thrawn then it became obvuous that palmar would be lynched and phagga decided he didn't care too much about his thrawn read | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:37 Holyflare wrote: Talking about palmar on you this directed at me? if so I am lost | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:42 phagga wrote: Yes, because I haven't had time to read up on you, so I'm still on the same stance as yesterday you replies to a bigass case i wrote against you and you didn';t think about your thrawn read during that? | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:54 Holyflare wrote: Well everytime i point it out you just insult instead of correcting where the lie did not occur the thing you pointed out isn't a lie! ffs. there's literally nothing to correct becaseu you posted a bunch of random stuff and called it a lie here's what I think you are saying I did 1 i voted rayn 2 i postes the reasons why I voted for rayb 3 later on i said that I voted rayn for different reasons, hence the lie. the problem is with # 2. i never explained the initial reasons for why i voted for rayn. i did later on, but i did not do it at the time. i cba to look it up right now but I think i remember you calling me out for my "sneaky" vote for rayn, where I voted for rayn in the vote thread without posting why in the real. and that bascailyl dispoves your entire case. | ||
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On March 28 2014 20:05 marvellosity wrote: ok thrawn, if you can succinctly answer this accusation in particular, that would be great. I'd like to wrap my head around this once and for all :x i really don't quote understand what he's getting at | ||
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i had two reasons why i thought rayn was mafia. these reasons occured to me at different times, here is the order n which they occured reason 1) the real reason i voted for him, which was becasue I thought the tone of his game post was extremely fake then rayn says that none of it was a lie, that #2 was actaully true reason 2) i thought what rayn said about robik was pretty dumb and beneath town rayn. reason 2 is what I mentioned in the thead. I didn't not mentioned reason 1 because I am hesitant to tell mafia that i am voting for them off the tone of their posts, which is something they can easily change. i don't undersatnd how any of that is a lie? | ||
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if i think you are mafia becasue of the tone of your posts, and i tell you exactly how your tone is differernt... it logically follows that you will know what tone you need to post in in order to get me to town read you the same happened with smiley djo in looney lynching. he;d never rolled scum before. he had the nickname smiley djo because of all the smileies he wrote. in looney lynching he was scum, and his first few posts had 0 smilies. i called him out on the fact that we didn't have smilies and that he was being much mroe serious and guess what he did? hje starte cinluding smiles and became much mroe jovial, and he survied till endgame and scum won | ||
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On March 28 2014 20:20 marvellosity wrote: I hope you're having fun thrawn  no | ||
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my main conclusion from all of this recent conversation is that I am town ciao | ||
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On March 28 2014 20:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: How do you conclude the second post is more overly happy? i was having way more fun writing the first one. Also there is much more info in the second post than in the first one. Both are designed to be challenging (i.e. you need to actually think why i say the stuff i do). It is really obvious from both of the posts. that's what you think you are not me | ||
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On March 28 2014 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like did you even fucking read the second post or thought about it AT ALL?? OBVIOUSLY NOT, lol. elsewise i wouldn;t be in this mess. i have admitted as much | ||
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actually no i am not because i DID go back and reread the entire thread and i realized my initial reads were stupid and based on me being tired and lazy, and I decided to throw those reads away and try to form new ones and I have evidence to prove that I did so (all my spoilers) so whatever | ||
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is youtr earlier question about how I can read the same content twice and come to opposite conclusions each time? the first time I was sleep deprived (at least 24 hours, i really dont know how long) and was in skim-mode the 2nd time I wasn't. the 2nd time I could barely even remember what i was thinking when I read the thread for the first time there might be other factors but that's probably the main one | ||
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On March 30 2014 08:31 gumshoe wrote: Not Marv, Holy, Rayn(probally) or me. If your actually town, then its an easy answer from there, just gotta choose between prp or phagga / : i think bolded shows a townie mindset like last night I was thinking about how it's probably easier for me to solve the game than it is for anyone else, because i don't have to worry about trying to read thrawn | ||
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On March 30 2014 09:14 phagga wrote: thrawn, can you tell me in bulletpoints why you think I'm scum? ••• ••••• • ••••• ••••••• • ••• •. ••• •• • ••• ••••? •• •••••• •••••••••• • ••• •••. ••••• •• ••••. | ||
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town tier: marv rayn holy Those are listed in order of confidence. At the start of the day I would have said you are most scummy, and prplhz and gumshoe are probably pretty close in scumminess. (I still think it's you, but i wasn't impressed with gumshoe's latest post (the ones that came after the post I pointed out that I liked) so I'd probably lynch gumshoe over prplhz if it comes down to that.) So a lot of it is PoE. I have some reasons to think everyone else might be town and I can't say the same for you. You ask good questions but that can only substantiate a weak town read at best, since scum can also ask good questions. I do think there are some things about your play that make you mafia other than the PoE I mentioned. Like i still don't know how you can spend most of D1 tunneling me while being wishy washy towards palmar, even saying that you would lynch me over palmar, but then decide to change your vote to palmar only after it was extremely obvious that he was going to be lynched. If you really had the read on palmar that you claimed to, I'd think that you probably would have join his wagon a lot sooner. It looks too much like you didn't actually care about your thrawn read and just wanted to end up on the right wagon. And right now, I'm not impressed by your efforts to find mafia. Your posts after the flip don't look like you put any thought into them, or that the extra information of a mafia flip influenced your play in any way. I put a lot of effort into the game during the night. Many people if not most were dead set on me being mafia and slowly they began to become open to other possibilites based on the things I posted. But you are apparently the only person who my night posts didn't affect, and i find that odd, like you are not actually trying to think about your read, you're jkust continuing along reading me as scum, just because. | ||
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On March 31 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is getting a bit ridiculous thrawn. You are seriously saying you think me and marv are more likely to be town than un-cc'd medic? yeah i'm medic now he's counterclaimed, so now what? | ||
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so now that the game is over obviously i was not lying about having a shit early game. i was extremely sleep deprived, so sleep deprived that when holyflare told me i lied I assumed i probably did meh | ||
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