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On March 26 2014 12:26 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:20 gumshoe wrote:
Helop, I'm all for finding scum and what not, but I propose due effort be put forth in regards to the installation of a puppet ruler/Champaign, no lone mafia player deserves to hoard the belt. I say we thrust it upon robicks waist, he is still an outsider, none of our ilk would ever truly acknowledge his supremacy, he will require advisors... What say town to a tyranny secretly ruled by a plutocracy? I started reading this and thought it was super scummy. Then you said my name and I didn't understand the rest of what you posted, so I will withhold judgement for now. Definitely leaning scummy from this post though.
Shhhhh sweet puppet prince, let your trusted advisors do your thinking for you :D lest you strain your brain in the attempt.
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Night night all, in all seriousness robik, what do you think of how Marv skirts the edge? He seems to have no suspicions of his own for the moment, do you really think between me rayn and palmar he thinks none of us are scum? Or is he merely cautious?
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On March 26 2014 09:26 Palmar wrote:
Also regarding genuine, no matter my alignment I would always be genuine right now. There is a reason I asked rayn the question, and that reason exists whether or not I am mafia or town. So why do you say I am not genuine?
##vote Palmar
Explanation: Palmar is self-conscious mafia, so when he is writing this sentence, he feels the need to add the "or town" even though the sentence actually should end on "whether or not i am mafia" or it should read "whether i am mafia or town". It can't be both. Trust me on this one. I found our first mafia boys!
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On March 26 2014 12:36 gumshoe wrote:
Night night all, in all seriousness robik, what do you think of how Marv skirts the edge? He seems to have no suspicions of his own for the moment, do you really think between me rayn and palmar he thinks none of us are scum? Or is he merely cautious?
Nothing marv has posted up to the last post I just made has caught my eye. Gonna do my initial read through with my comments and then I will reread for marv in particular if he doesn't stand out in the first readthrough.
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On March 26 2014 12:32 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 12:26 IAmRobik wrote:On March 26 2014 08:20 gumshoe wrote:
Helop, I'm all for finding scum and what not, but I propose due effort be put forth in regards to the installation of a puppet ruler/Champaign, no lone mafia player deserves to hoard the belt. I say we thrust it upon robicks waist, he is still an outsider, none of our ilk would ever truly acknowledge his supremacy, he will require advisors... What say town to a tyranny secretly ruled by a plutocracy? I started reading this and thought it was super scummy. Then you said my name and I didn't understand the rest of what you posted, so I will withhold judgement for now. Definitely leaning scummy from this post though. Shhhhh sweet puppet prince, let your trusted advisors do your thinking for you :D lest you strain your brain in the attempt.
Don't bring this shit into this thread. I don't have a long history here, but the history that I do have shows my reads are fucking amazeballs. GET ON MY LEVEL!
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Ok, Palmar is 100% mafia for this small comment that nobody picked up on.
On March 26 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Town wins this belt.
On March 26 2014 08:13 Palmar wrote:My idea kinda died anyway. I just remembered that rayn also did a townclaim at the beginning of titanic, and that he didn't really in foundation, but reading back I found that he opened with that unvoting plan in default suspicion, so whatever.
In no way shape or form does rayn "town claim" like Palmar says flat out. It's a statement that is alignment null. He could be town, he could be mafia. Who knows? Palmar knows, that's who.
##Vote Palmar
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Thrawn, why have you said nothing and then ninja voted in the voting thread?
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On March 26 2014 12:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
##vote: IAmRobik
for lazy people
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On March 26 2014 13:06 Holyflare wrote:Ok, Palmar is 100% mafia for this small comment that nobody picked up on. Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:13 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
witchcraft 2 My idea kinda died anyway. I just remembered that rayn also did a townclaim at the beginning of titanic, and that he didn't really in foundation, but reading back I found that he opened with that unvoting plan in default suspicion, so whatever. In no way shape or form does rayn "town claim" like Palmar says flat out. It's a statement that is alignment null. He could be town, he could be mafia. Who knows? Palmar knows, that's who. ##Vote Palmar
I mean...I agree that palmar is scum, but I disagree with your whole post. I took Rayn's post as a town claim, and I read him town from it (cause I'm the sick-nastiest at tone reads....and I read Rayn like a boss).
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On March 26 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:for lazy people
I saw this when I went to vote for Palmar and I figured I'd see something about me from him, but it's pg 8 and nothing. I am gonna be nice and not throw a shitstorm, which is prolly what a lot of people who have played with me before expect me to do
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On March 26 2014 13:13 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 13:06 Holyflare wrote:Ok, Palmar is 100% mafia for this small comment that nobody picked up on. On March 26 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Town wins this belt. On March 26 2014 08:13 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
witchcraft 2 My idea kinda died anyway. I just remembered that rayn also did a townclaim at the beginning of titanic, and that he didn't really in foundation, but reading back I found that he opened with that unvoting plan in default suspicion, so whatever. In no way shape or form does rayn "town claim" like Palmar says flat out. It's a statement that is alignment null. He could be town, he could be mafia. Who knows? Palmar knows, that's who. ##Vote Palmar I mean...I agree that palmar is scum, but I disagree with your whole post. I took Rayn's post as a town claim, and I read him town from it (cause I'm the sick-nastiest at tone reads....and I read Rayn like a boss).
How can you say that when in his own words it is alignment null? If you think that is a town claim you need to brush up on town claims. If he was mafia and saw how stacked town was he would say "town wins this belt" if he was town he could also say "town wins this belt" because town hasn't won any of the belts so far. If I had to look at it from an initial stand point it looks like rayn is saying he is scum because how could he possibly know that town would win this belt if he doesn't know who is a part of town?
On March 26 2014 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:13 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
witchcraft 2 My idea kinda died anyway. I just remembered that rayn also did a townclaim at the beginning of titanic, and that he didn't really in foundation, but reading back I found that he opened with that unvoting plan in default suspicion, so whatever. I sometimes claim town as town, sometimes i claim town as scum. Sometimes i don't as either alignment.
Also, Have you not been reading? Why take this as a town tell when the player himself says it isn't?
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On March 26 2014 10:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:gumshoe, here is how i see it: Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else? Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other? Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else? Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other? Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me. Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try. There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation. Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:53 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:41 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else? Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other? Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me. Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try. There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation. Scum can be reasonable as well : P and this game is pretty stacked, mistakes this early on are not to be expected. I'm curious Palmer, what kind of reaction were you looking for out of Rayn, knowing farily well hed have an easy time answering your question as either alignment? If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia. Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:54 Palmar wrote:
The point being that I did not see how any answer I expected could possibly have revealed anything about your alignment. Let me make myself Palmar for a second: "I don't get why you are asking gumshoe that shit. I can't think of a reason but maybe there is one. Let's see if there is a reason or not. Otherwise rayn is probably mafia. Okay he told me the reason, hmm.. seems reasonable, no need to pursue this further." Everything after that is explaining the motivation behind the original question. Now why is this not an acceptable scenario given the posts i quoted? I mean of course it's possible Palmar was just lazy scum who was not thinking at all and asked useless shit but is it more likely? I can't tell based on these relevant posts so i consider this a null-tell. So if you have some awesome evidence i have missed which proves Palmar was just making shit up for no reason please elaborate.
I think you're missing gumshoe's point about this, or maybe I'm misunderstanding...either way -- MY THOUGHTS -- are that Palmar clarified that he asked the question of you to promote conversation. He then reiterated that it was just for the purpose of starting conversation...THEN he said that he ALSO did it because he thought Rayn was scummy. He just seems to be continuously contradicting himself. idk. I don't like you Palmar. PALMAR. I THINK YOU'RE SCUM.
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On March 26 2014 13:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 13:13 IAmRobik wrote:On March 26 2014 13:06 Holyflare wrote:Ok, Palmar is 100% mafia for this small comment that nobody picked up on. On March 26 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Town wins this belt. On March 26 2014 08:13 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
witchcraft 2 My idea kinda died anyway. I just remembered that rayn also did a townclaim at the beginning of titanic, and that he didn't really in foundation, but reading back I found that he opened with that unvoting plan in default suspicion, so whatever. In no way shape or form does rayn "town claim" like Palmar says flat out. It's a statement that is alignment null. He could be town, he could be mafia. Who knows? Palmar knows, that's who. ##Vote Palmar I mean...I agree that palmar is scum, but I disagree with your whole post. I took Rayn's post as a town claim, and I read him town from it (cause I'm the sick-nastiest at tone reads....and I read Rayn like a boss). How can you say that when in his own words it is alignment null? If you think that is a town claim you need to brush up on town claims. If he was mafia and saw how stacked town was he would say "town wins this belt" if he was town he could also say "town wins this belt" because town hasn't won any of the belts so far. If I had to look at it from an initial stand point it looks like rayn is saying he is scum because how could he possibly know that town would win this belt if he doesn't know who is a part of town? Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 08:13 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
witchcraft 2 My idea kinda died anyway. I just remembered that rayn also did a townclaim at the beginning of titanic, and that he didn't really in foundation, but reading back I found that he opened with that unvoting plan in default suspicion, so whatever. I sometimes claim town as town, sometimes i claim town as scum. Sometimes i don't as either alignment. Also, Have you not been reading? Why take this as a town tell when the player himself says it isn't?
idgaf what Rayn said after that. Listen, a player can THINK that he would say a certain thing or phrase a certain thing a certain way...that doesn't mean that a player does this. Just cause you THINK you have a good mafia game doesn't mean that you have a good mafia game. I don't know why we're even discussing this though cause Rayn is super duper town
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So why do you not mention that rayn is super town based on x, y, z but instead mention that you read him as town from an alignment null post? Were you lying?
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Cause I do read him town off of that 1 post mostly. Having said that, none of his posts this game have made me change my opinion of him. Also, he hasn't posted a smiley emoticon in the first few posts of his, which indicates further than he's town
Mafia Rayn would end this post with 
On March 26 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Town wins this belt.
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You read rayn town from his posts? All he has done is ask a question that didn't lead anywhere and then heavily defend palmars intentions from gumshoe?
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In fact:
On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else? Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other? Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me. Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try.
He says over-explanation coming from gumshoe could be scum gumshoe and then makes posts that imply scum motives:
On March 26 2014 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Why do you leave out the post where he contributes to my answer? Show nested quote +There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation. Why are you selectively quoting posts and not taking account the whole conversation?
but then instantly says "i give up", does rayn give up as town or does he tunnel shit into the ground?
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I've seen Rayn give up as mafia and I've seen Rayn tunnel as mafia. I've never seen a Rayn town game until this one. This read is so good that I'm close to me offering up my pinky toe as I did with Templar being town in Foundations.
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foundation is not a game that you should base assumptions on rayns play on
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RAYN IS TOWN. I AM TOWN.
You already said Palmar is mafia. I share this sentiment. I don't know why you keep barraging me with these questions and keep saying not to read Rayn town.
Is there someone you can read well? Is there someone who people who unequivocally follow you if you said they're town/mafia? I am damn sure on Rayn this game. I am willing to reevaluate if it comes to some strange fucking mylo with a confirmed town and then rayn and me, but at this stage, you should just trust this read.
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