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On March 26 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:39 gumshoe wrote:[...] If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia. He found you scummy because of your question, he wasnt just trying to find out your intent. Point is, I dont see how he could have anticipated the intent you chose to reveal bieng scummy. Therefore the only likely outcome of the question is that you both come to an understanding. No gumshoe. That's saying "if he didn't have an intention behind the question i would find him scummy".
He said he could not think of a reason, therefore he thought you were scummy. Which is bull cause theres no way he couldnt think up a reason, therefore he is not genuine for whatever reason.
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On March 26 2014 09:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:36 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 09:30 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:26 Palmar wrote:
Also regarding genuine, no matter my alignment I would always be genuine right now. There is a reason I asked rayn the question, and that reason exists whether or not I am mafia or town. So why do you say I am not genuine? I agree with you, a reason does exist, when the reason is some other than "Asking this question of rayn because I think hes scummy" I consider it not genuine and I'm forced to consider other reasonings other than the prefered default. As for why your not literally genuine, 2 reasons 1) I dont believe you couldnt come up with a reason for him asking me that question. 2) Going by the first bit. I dont understand why youd ask that question knowing how easy it is to answer. 3) Your quick acceptance indicated your confusion was meh, possibly non existant. If the bolded is true I am mafia for asking that question, no matter what. The only answer you accept as genuine can not possibly be given at that point in the thread because it's completely unreasonable to think rayn is scummy at that point. Thus by your own definition I must be mafia for asking that question and there is no need for you to follow up on it, as any answer I give will always make me mafia in your eyes. ##Vote gumshoe Looks like you made a case on yourself and then voted someone else, Palmar. Tsk.
It's how I roll.
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On March 26 2014 09:44 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 09:39 gumshoe wrote:[...] If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia. He found you scummy because of your question, he wasnt just trying to find out your intent. Point is, I dont see how he could have anticipated the intent you chose to reveal bieng scummy. Therefore the only likely outcome of the question is that you both come to an understanding. No gumshoe. That's saying "if he didn't have an intention behind the question i would find him scummy". He said he could not think of a reason, therefore he thought you were scummy. Which is bull cause theres no way he couldnt think up a reason, therefore he is not genuine for whatever reason.
Can you point out where he says this?
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On March 26 2014 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the same thing as my question to you:
"A variety of answers are null, but there is a possibility of scummy one."
Why did you figure that out from my question but not from Palmar's?
Because my history indicates that such line of questioning is effective against me, whereas such a question directed against you would only make you look stronger regardless of alignment. If hes town, asking that question does him little good. I dont think town palmer would find you scummy for your question, and if he did he wouldnt ask a question that improves your position if your scum 99 out of 100 times. Therefore he is not genuine.
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On March 26 2014 09:42 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:41 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 09:40 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:36 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 09:30 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:26 Palmar wrote:
Also regarding genuine, no matter my alignment I would always be genuine right now. There is a reason I asked rayn the question, and that reason exists whether or not I am mafia or town. So why do you say I am not genuine? I agree with you, a reason does exist, when the reason is some other than "Asking this question of rayn because I think hes scummy" I consider it not genuine and I'm forced to consider other reasonings other than the prefered default. As for why your not literally genuine, 2 reasons 1) I dont believe you couldnt come up with a reason for him asking me that question. 2) Going by the first bit. I dont understand why youd ask that question knowing how easy it is to answer. 3) Your quick acceptance indicated your confusion was meh, possibly non existant. If the bolded is true I am mafia for asking that question, no matter what. The only answer you accept as genuine can not possibly be given at that point in the thread because it's completely unreasonable to think rayn is scummy at that point. Thus by your own definition I must be mafia for asking that question and there is no need for you to follow up on it, as any answer I give will always make me mafia in your eyes. ##Vote gumshoe Not necessarily ( : if you ask the question to kick start town, which you stated you were trying to do, then your town, albiet deceitful, so answer me, is that what you were doing? I already asked you, what do you think? I asked first.
Did you not read the next post right after I asked rayn this particular question?
Also, why do I get an out if I say "I was trying to kickstart discussion"?
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On March 26 2014 09:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the same thing as my question to you:
"A variety of answers are null, but there is a possibility of scummy one."
Why did you figure that out from my question but not from Palmar's? Because my history indicates that such line of questioning is effective against me, whereas such a question directed against you would only make you look stronger regardless of alignment. If hes town, asking that question does him little good. I dont think town palmer would find you scummy for your question, and if he did he wouldnt ask a question that improves your position if your scum 99 out of 100 times. Therefore he is not genuine.
I think you think I think rayn is better at scum than I think he really is.
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On March 26 2014 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:44 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 09:39 gumshoe wrote:[...] If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia. He found you scummy because of your question, he wasnt just trying to find out your intent. Point is, I dont see how he could have anticipated the intent you chose to reveal bieng scummy. Therefore the only likely outcome of the question is that you both come to an understanding. No gumshoe. That's saying "if he didn't have an intention behind the question i would find him scummy". He said he could not think of a reason, therefore he thought you were scummy. Which is bull cause theres no way he couldnt think up a reason, therefore he is not genuine for whatever reason. Can you point out where he says this?
The point being that I did not see how any answer I expected could possibly have revealed anything about your alignment.
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On March 26 2014 09:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:36 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 09:30 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:26 Palmar wrote:
Also regarding genuine, no matter my alignment I would always be genuine right now. There is a reason I asked rayn the question, and that reason exists whether or not I am mafia or town. So why do you say I am not genuine? I agree with you, a reason does exist, when the reason is some other than "Asking this question of rayn because I think hes scummy" I consider it not genuine and I'm forced to consider other reasonings other than the prefered default. As for why your not literally genuine, 2 reasons 1) I dont believe you couldnt come up with a reason for him asking me that question. 2) Going by the first bit. I dont understand why youd ask that question knowing how easy it is to answer. 3) Your quick acceptance indicated your confusion was meh, possibly non existant. If the bolded is true I am mafia for asking that question, no matter what. The only answer you accept as genuine can not possibly be given at that point in the thread because it's completely unreasonable to think rayn is scummy at that point. Thus by your own definition I must be mafia for asking that question and there is no need for you to follow up on it, as any answer I give will always make me mafia in your eyes. ##Vote gumshoe Looks like you made a case on yourself and then voted someone else, Palmar. Tsk.
marv why this crappycrap?
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On March 26 2014 09:49 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 09:44 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 09:39 gumshoe wrote:[...] If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia. He found you scummy because of your question, he wasnt just trying to find out your intent. Point is, I dont see how he could have anticipated the intent you chose to reveal bieng scummy. Therefore the only likely outcome of the question is that you both come to an understanding. No gumshoe. That's saying "if he didn't have an intention behind the question i would find him scummy". He said he could not think of a reason, therefore he thought you were scummy. Which is bull cause theres no way he couldnt think up a reason, therefore he is not genuine for whatever reason. Can you point out where he says this? Show nested quote +The point being that I did not see how any answer I expected could possibly have revealed anything about your alignment.
Okay so we obviously disagree about the meaning of that post. I think i am right given Palmar's earlier posts which point towards me being right.
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On March 26 2014 09:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:48 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the same thing as my question to you:
"A variety of answers are null, but there is a possibility of scummy one."
Why did you figure that out from my question but not from Palmar's? Because my history indicates that such line of questioning is effective against me, whereas such a question directed against you would only make you look stronger regardless of alignment. If hes town, asking that question does him little good. I dont think town palmer would find you scummy for your question, and if he did he wouldnt ask a question that improves your position if your scum 99 out of 100 times. Therefore he is not genuine. I think you think I think rayn is better at scum than I think he really is.
Rayn IS a good scum player, you are a good player period who has played in a multitude of games with Rayn. I dont see how you could expected him to balk under such an easy question.
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Because I have nothing to add that you three aren't adding already. Aside from the fact that I made Palmar's case on gumshoe before he did because he's not as cool as me.
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Do you think gumshoe is mafia?
Also why don't you understand Palmar's post, it's pretty clear?
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On March 26 2014 09:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you think gumshoe is mafia?
Also why don't you understand Palmar's post, it's pretty clear?
I have to assume this is directed at me, but nowhere did I indicate I did not understand Palmar's post. Read again.
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On March 26 2014 09:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:49 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 09:44 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 09:39 gumshoe wrote:[...] If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia. He found you scummy because of your question, he wasnt just trying to find out your intent. Point is, I dont see how he could have anticipated the intent you chose to reveal bieng scummy. Therefore the only likely outcome of the question is that you both come to an understanding. No gumshoe. That's saying "if he didn't have an intention behind the question i would find him scummy". He said he could not think of a reason, therefore he thought you were scummy. Which is bull cause theres no way he couldnt think up a reason, therefore he is not genuine for whatever reason. Can you point out where he says this? The point being that I did not see how any answer I expected could possibly have revealed anything about your alignment. Okay so we obviously disagree about the meaning of that post. I think i am right given Palmar's earlier posts which point towards me being right.
You think your right cause you always think your right XD but then again so do most people : P myself included. I guess I'm done talking about palmer till he answers my question, as for why you should Palmer, cause pretty please? I'll bake you a cake : D
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Which questions did I not cover?
And you still need to explain why the magic phrase "I was trying to create discussion" is a get out of jail free card.
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On March 26 2014 09:56 Palmar wrote:
Which questions did I not cover?
And you still need to explain why the magic phrase "I was trying to create discussion" is a get out of jail free card.
Not until you answer definitively yes or no. That is the question, the only question I have of you.
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On March 26 2014 09:53 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you think gumshoe is mafia?
Also why don't you understand Palmar's post, it's pretty clear? I have to assume this is directed at me, but nowhere did I indicate I did not understand Palmar's post. Read again.
meh okay, you're just weird.
but do you think gumshoe is mafia?
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On March 26 2014 09:59 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:56 Palmar wrote:
Which questions did I not cover?
And you still need to explain why the magic phrase "I was trying to create discussion" is a get out of jail free card. Not until you answer definitively yes or no. That is the question, the only question I have of you.
which one, whether or not I was trying to create discussion? Seeing as I posted as much in the next post after I asked rayn the question I thought the answer should be default, did you not notice that?
And no, it's an opportunity to do something that may or may not provide something useful, so yes I was creating discussion and no that wasn't the sole purpose of the question.
Do I get to go home now officer?
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On March 26 2014 10:03 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:59 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:56 Palmar wrote:
Which questions did I not cover?
And you still need to explain why the magic phrase "I was trying to create discussion" is a get out of jail free card. Not until you answer definitively yes or no. That is the question, the only question I have of you. which one, whether or not I was trying to create discussion? Seeing as I posted as much in the next post after I asked rayn the question I thought the answer should be default, did you not notice that? And no, it's an opportunity to do something that may or may not provide something useful, so yes I was creating discussion and no that wasn't the sole purpose of the question. Do I get to go home now officer?
Yeah sure, in case you were wondering about the trap card, I wanted to see how paranoid you were at the thought of a trap, which you weren't really, just sort of indolent towards the whole notion. I has no issues with you as of now.
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Palmar must be the most trapped person in mafia. 
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