World Heavyweight Championship Mafia II - Page 6

On March 26 2014 09:11 gumshoe wrote:


I do not for a second think he could not come up with his own valid reasoning for your question twoards me and I dont see how he could imagine you in any world giving something up in response. As if when your scum you dont bother with reasons, whereas the opposite is true, your far more careful as red and he should know that.

The outcome of the question is inevitable, you look capable, he gives ground, it was unlikely to go any other way(and I dont see what other path he could have honestly imagined) and therefore it was pointless. Hes either fienting in an effort to kick start or hes scum trying to fit in. One thing for sure though, hes not bieng genuine atm.

On March 26 2014 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'll reword the question:
Do you think he is scummy because;
1) he is asking useless question, or
2) he took my answer at face value?

In my opinion these are different things and you have now said both of them.

On March 26 2014 09:22 marvellosity wrote:

If you believe this, should you not be voting for him? What is the alternate, townie explanation for not being genuine but trying to appear so?

On March 26 2014 09:24 gumshoe wrote:


1) Yes

2) Yes

Because the two are intwined, the question implied he had a difficult time understanding your inquiry, something hard to bilieve in of itself, and the acceptance was almost immediate, thereby showing his confusion was weak at best.

On March 26 2014 09:26 Palmar wrote:
Also regarding genuine, no matter my alignment I would always be genuine right now. There is a reason I asked rayn the question, and that reason exists whether or not I am mafia or town. So why do you say I am not genuine?

On March 26 2014 09:26 gumshoe wrote:


Trying to kick start the game, countless times, people have had meaningless conversation just to get things going. He may be doing that now, if you are Palmer wouldn't mind some confirmation / : Also I only ninja vote. Dems the breaks / :

On March 26 2014 09:28 Palmar wrote:

I claim that the answer was really short and I'm a fast reader!

On March 26 2014 09:11 gumshoe wrote:


I do not for a second think he could not come up with his own valid reasoning for your question twoards me and I dont see how he could imagine you in any world giving something up in response. As if when your scum you dont bother with reasons, whereas the opposite is true, your far more careful as red and he should know that.

The outcome of the question is inevitable, you look capable, he gives ground, it was unlikely to go any other way(and I dont see what other path he could have honestly imagined) and therefore it was pointless. Hes either fienting in an effort to kick start or hes scum trying to fit in. One thing for sure though, hes not bieng genuine atm.

On March 26 2014 09:21 Palmar wrote:
This is where we disagree. Read the initial question again, it says "why robik over anyone else". Because I am not rayn I assumed that was actually what he was asking, ie, for you to explain why you hadn't picked me, or marv, or someone else, and I couldn't think of a response that would make your seemingly random choice any scummier or townier.

I did not consider that rayn was fishing for the nature of your reaction.

On March 26 2014 09:30 gumshoe wrote:


I agree with you, a reason does exist, when the reason is some other than "Asking this question of rayn because I think hes scummy" I consider it not genuine and I'm forced to consider other reasonings other than the prefered default. As for why your not literally genuine, 2 reasons

1) I dont believe you couldnt come up with a reason for him asking me that question.

2) Going by the first bit. I dont understand why youd ask that question knowing how easy it is to answer.

3) Your quick acceptance indicated your confusion was meh, possibly non existant.

On March 26 2014 09:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

See gumshoe here is my problem. I am a player who asks questions, obviously. When i ask questions, assuming i am not questioning something i do not understand, there are expected answers:
1) scummy type of answer, or townie type of answer, or both
2) answer i did not expect which leads to further investigation

Now i don't always expect people to understand why i do ask questions i do in the first place. That would defeat the purpose of my play in total. If you can tell what my question is going to achieve you know (as mafia) how you should be answering it. Right?

So, my question to you is:
I don't understand why do you assume Palmar should assume what i am thinking and why i ask what i do. How do you suggest town!Palmar should read me if he is not "allowed" to figure out my motives behind my posts? Or do you think it's reasonable to assume Palmar should have realized what i was after? Did you know what i expected town!gumshoe to answer when i asked you my question?

If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia.

On March 26 2014 09:39 gumshoe wrote:
He found you scummy because of your question, he wasnt just trying to find out your intent. Point is, I dont see how he could have anticipated the intent you chose to reveal bieng scummy. Therefore the only likely outcome of the question is that you both come to an understanding.

On March 26 2014 09:36 Palmar wrote:


If the bolded is true I am mafia for asking that question, no matter what. The only answer you accept as genuine can not possibly be given at that point in the thread because it's completely unreasonable to think rayn is scummy at that point. Thus by your own definition I must be mafia for asking that question and there is no need for you to follow up on it, as any answer I give will always make me mafia in your eyes.

##Vote gumshoe

On March 26 2014 09:39 gumshoe wrote:
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He found you scummy because of your question, he wasnt just trying to find out your intent. Point is, I dont see how he could have anticipated the intent you chose to reveal bieng scummy. Therefore the only likely outcome of the question is that you both come to an understanding.

On March 26 2014 09:40 gumshoe wrote:


Not necessarily ( : if you ask the question to kick start town, which you stated you were trying to do, then your town, albiet deceitful, so answer me, is that what you were doing?

On March 26 2014 09:41 Palmar wrote:

I already asked you, what do you think?

On March 26 2014 09:36 Palmar wrote:


If the bolded is true I am mafia for asking that question, no matter what. The only answer you accept as genuine can not possibly be given at that point in the thread because it's completely unreasonable to think rayn is scummy at that point. Thus by your own definition I must be mafia for asking that question and there is no need for you to follow up on it, as any answer I give will always make me mafia in your eyes.

##Vote gumshoe