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On March 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 10:03 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 09:59 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:56 Palmar wrote:
Which questions did I not cover?
And you still need to explain why the magic phrase "I was trying to create discussion" is a get out of jail free card. Not until you answer definitively yes or no. That is the question, the only question I have of you. which one, whether or not I was trying to create discussion? Seeing as I posted as much in the next post after I asked rayn the question I thought the answer should be default, did you not notice that? And no, it's an opportunity to do something that may or may not provide something useful, so yes I was creating discussion and no that wasn't the sole purpose of the question. Do I get to go home now officer? Yeah sure, in case you were wondering about the trap card, I wanted to see how paranoid you were at the thought of a trap, which you weren't really, just sort of indolent towards the whole notion. I has no issues with you as of now.
Can you just clarify this? Are you happy that Palmar was being genuine now? Or are you happy that his non-genuineness is somehow townie?
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On March 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 10:03 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 09:59 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:56 Palmar wrote:
Which questions did I not cover?
And you still need to explain why the magic phrase "I was trying to create discussion" is a get out of jail free card. Not until you answer definitively yes or no. That is the question, the only question I have of you. which one, whether or not I was trying to create discussion? Seeing as I posted as much in the next post after I asked rayn the question I thought the answer should be default, did you not notice that? And no, it's an opportunity to do something that may or may not provide something useful, so yes I was creating discussion and no that wasn't the sole purpose of the question. Do I get to go home now officer? Yeah sure, in case you were wondering about the trap card, I wanted to see how paranoid you were at the thought of a trap, which you weren't really, just sort of indolent towards the whole notion. I has no issues with you as of now.
I wasn't wondering about the trap card.
By your own definition I am still mafia because I was serious about my question without previously thinking rayn is scum, so how can you have no issues with me? I literally just said that there exists a reason for me asking rayn that question that isn't a) to start a discussion or b) because I think rayn is scummy.
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On March 26 2014 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Palmar must be the most trapped person in mafia. 
Yeah if people would stop doing that shit, that'd be great, thanks.
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Marv, while your here I'm curios, look at these 3 qoutes by palmar.
Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other?
If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia.
The point being that I did not see how any answer I expected could possibly have revealed anything about your alignment.
Between these 3 qoutes, said in relative succesion, do you not agree that Palmar found Rayn somewhat scummy? Why is Rayn so stalwart in denying Palmars misgivings?
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I think you're reading way too much into it. Palmar asked a question because he was curious as to rayn's motives, rayn answered, life moves on. Well, except that it didn't of course.
If someone finds something odd/weird/eye-brow raising then it's reasonable to ask a question to find out if said oddness is just oddness or scummy oddness, and I don't think it's particularly fair to think that Palmar should have a bunch of potential rayn answers in mind when he asked the question.
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On March 26 2014 10:14 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 10:03 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 09:59 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 09:56 Palmar wrote:
Which questions did I not cover?
And you still need to explain why the magic phrase "I was trying to create discussion" is a get out of jail free card. Not until you answer definitively yes or no. That is the question, the only question I have of you. which one, whether or not I was trying to create discussion? Seeing as I posted as much in the next post after I asked rayn the question I thought the answer should be default, did you not notice that? And no, it's an opportunity to do something that may or may not provide something useful, so yes I was creating discussion and no that wasn't the sole purpose of the question. Do I get to go home now officer? Yeah sure, in case you were wondering about the trap card, I wanted to see how paranoid you were at the thought of a trap, which you weren't really, just sort of indolent towards the whole notion. I has no issues with you as of now. I wasn't wondering about the trap card.By your own definition I am still mafia because I was serious about my question without previously thinking rayn is scum, so how can you have no issues with me? I literally just said that there exists a reason for me asking rayn that question that isn't a) to start a discussion or b) because I think rayn is scummy.
bolded is a Lie
Also, why do I get an out if I say "I was trying to kickstart discussion"?
And you still need to explain why the magic phrase "I was trying to create discussion" is a get out of jail free card.
As for my definition
[spoiler]Trying to kick start the game, countless times, people have had meaningless conversation just to get things going. He may be doing that now, if you are Palmer wouldn't mind some con firmation / :
You admitted you were just trying to generate discussion for the most part, my own laws do not bind me in this matter. Also I just dont think your scummy anymore, disappointed?
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gumshoe, here is how i see it:
On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else? Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other?
On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else? Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other? Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me. Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try. There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation.
On March 26 2014 08:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 08:41 gumshoe wrote:On March 26 2014 08:38 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 08:29 Palmar wrote:On March 26 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why Robik over anyone else? Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other? Over-explained answer could be indicative of scumshoe. He tried to over-explain shit last game (geript's PYP) as mafia and it backpedalled quite hard. He also knows i am a tunnely guy and he also knows my questions have motive behind them so therefore he knows he must answer to me. Joke is a joke, but gumshoe getting possibly scared as scum was worth a try. There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation. Scum can be reasonable as well : P and this game is pretty stacked, mistakes this early on are not to be expected. I'm curious Palmer, what kind of reaction were you looking for out of Rayn, knowing farily well hed have an easy time answering your question as either alignment? If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia.
On March 26 2014 08:54 Palmar wrote:
The point being that I did not see how any answer I expected could possibly have revealed anything about your alignment.
Let me make myself Palmar for a second:
"I don't get why you are asking gumshoe that shit. I can't think of a reason but maybe there is one. Let's see if there is a reason or not. Otherwise rayn is probably mafia. Okay he told me the reason, hmm.. seems reasonable, no need to pursue this further." Everything after that is explaining the motivation behind the original question.
Now why is this not an acceptable scenario given the posts i quoted? I mean of course it's possible Palmar was just lazy scum who was not thinking at all and asked useless shit but is it more likely?
I can't tell based on these relevant posts so i consider this a null-tell. So if you have some awesome evidence i have missed which proves Palmar was just making shit up for no reason please elaborate.
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On March 26 2014 10:19 gumshoe wrote:Marv, while your here I'm curios, look at these 3 qoutes by palmar. Show nested quote +Do you think you will get an answer from gumshoe that has any chance of moving your read on him forward? If so, what kind of an answer would make you lean one way or the other?
Show nested quote +If rayn does not have an explanation to his question it makes the question pointless and thus rayn more likely to be mafia. Show nested quote +The point being that I did not see how any answer I expected could possibly have revealed anything about your alignment. Between these 3 qoutes, said in relative succesion, do you not agree that Palmar found Rayn somewhat scummy? Why is Rayn so stalwart in denying Palmars misgivings?
Qoute 1:
Rayn is asking a question
qoute 2: If rayn doesnt have a good reason for asking the question I consider him scum.
qoute 3: I cant think of any reason for him to ask the question, therefore the question is scummy.
No one knows what palmers thinking, we only have his words to be sure of, and his words heavily suggest he found you scummy at the time of his question. Why do you work to refute that?
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Why do you leave out the post where he contributes to my answer?
There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation.
Why are you selectively quoting posts and not taking account the whole conversation?
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On March 26 2014 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Why do you leave out the post where he contributes to my answer? Show nested quote +There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation. Why are you selectively quoting posts and not taking account the whole conversation?
That qoute comes after your answer, I am asserting that prior to it he found you scummy, you are saying he didn't, I am not selectively qouting, I am merely assembling the relevant quotes 
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I dont have a good motive for you doing this as scum now that I think about it, so I'll drop the inquiry for now, was mostly curios what Marv had to say about it. Be kinda nice if other people started playing the game ) :
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On March 26 2014 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I give up.
Wow, our surrender timing was identical 0_o We are equally stubborn. No more no less.
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On March 26 2014 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I give up.
Probably the correct course of action for now :>
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On March 26 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Town wins this belt.
Holy shit. Rayn. We're on the same team! OMG I'm so fucking excited.
Having said that, y'all might as well just hand over the belt now.
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On March 26 2014 08:20 gumshoe wrote:
Helop, I'm all for finding scum and what not, but I propose due effort be put forth in regards to the installation of a puppet ruler/Champaign, no lone mafia player deserves to hoard the belt. I say we thrust it upon robicks waist, he is still an outsider, none of our ilk would ever truly acknowledge his supremacy, he will require advisors... What say town to a tyranny secretly ruled by a plutocracy?
I started reading this and thought it was super scummy. Then you said my name and I didn't understand the rest of what you posted, so I will withhold judgement for now.
Definitely leaning scummy from this post though.
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On March 26 2014 09:11 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 09:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe i am interested. Do you think Palmar is mafia? I do not for a second think he could not come up with his own valid reasoning for your question twoards me and I dont see how he could imagine you in any world giving something up in response. As if when your scum you dont bother with reasons, whereas the opposite is true, your far more careful as red and he should know that. The outcome of the question is inevitable, you look capable, he gives ground, it was unlikely to go any other way(and I dont see what other path he could have honestly imagined) and therefore it was pointless. Hes either fienting in an effort to kick start or hes scum trying to fit in. One thing for sure though, hes not bieng genuine atm.
I can agree with this. I'm kinda iffy on Palmar. Don't think Palmar/gumshoe are m/m though
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