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why does marv have 5 pages of filter and 0 memorable content, whereas thrawn and phagga and gumshoe have 2 and have contributed a boatload more to the game?
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On March 27 2014 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:My case on thrawn: Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 15:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 15:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
as to why I asked for clarification.. i'd like to talk about reads rather than playing games to figure out wtf everyone is saying. i'm too tired for that atm Also this post is really really scummy because here thrawn claims he has no time for games and he wants to talk about reads.What's contradictory to this he never really explains why he has a scumread on me, he does not explain why he is voting for me. He does not ask me why i am townreading Robik. He does (or rather doesn't do) all this and then he whines about "people not being transparent and clear with their thoughts". Obvious contradiction. On March 26 2014 15:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To clarify. I think Holyflare is "capable" of using shitlogic like this because i have seen him doing that as town before. For example Holyflare defended vivax in the last game based on something he didn't know fuck about, he only knew half of the story.
thrawn however does not do this as town. He is mostly laid back, doesn't jump onto conclusions with incomplete informatio. Remember, that has nothing to do with maked bad calls (like in LXIV: restart) based on complete picture. I am talking about filling the puzzle with something he makes up himself. In fact the only time i have seen him do this is as mafia in Extractor trick which made me instantly catch him. And i think we have just seen the same thing here. Meta + thrawn making unreasonable assumptions.
Both of these things are something thrawn does not do as town, because he is not crazy town like you for example can be. Meta part is explained in my filter from Extractor trick. In that game i claimed cop 1h into the game. thrawn said "you could be mafia for fakeclaiming". I asked him why. His reasoning was "because you also fakeclaimed cop in Witchcraft mini". Just because i did something in some other game does not make me mafia. After that thrawn refused to elaborate more on the reasoning while repeateldy being asked about it. He also made some contradicting things like putting gumshoe into L-1 in IML game then basically said "don't hammer" which made no sense. The point is thrawn does not do stuff that makes no sense or does not not explain his shit as town, he does that as mafia. In this game he does stuff that makes no sense as my quotes above and below, as Holyflares case do explain.Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:This is the TLDR thrawn gives:
then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense.
the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content...
If you read the content of his case and see if it matches up with the "TLDR;" he writes at the start of his post you'll notice: red) i am not making up stuff anywhere and thrawn does not explain where i do it blue) this is a part of my case. thrawn makes judgement calls on incomplete information. what i say is not scummy just because thrawn does not understand that. ne never cares what my intention of saying things i say is (which i have pointed out). also read my case why this is scummy for thrawn. green) I didn't find this notable in the first place, it's just "this happened", does not say why i am mafia in any reasonable way, but what you pointed out in fact proves this in fact did not even happen as thrawn says it did. Here is the TLDR; from thrawns case which elaborate more on the point i presented earlier. Also there is stuff in his case where the TLDR; does not match up with what he says. His case in full so you can compare; + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2014 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 16:47 phagga wrote:On March 26 2014 16:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol rayn it's so funny watching you pretend like you know why i'm voting for you Why are you voting rayn? I don't see an explanation in your filter. then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense. the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content... "2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." -i doubt rayn doesn't care about winning the belt - "I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative" what the fuck does this even mean? if robik is scum then of course he is not "some sort of psychic" who is excellent at reading rayn. if robik is scum the robik KNOWS RAYN IS TOWN and doesn't need to try and figure out if rayn is town. like... i can't properly explain the problem I have with this quote because I don't even know what the quote is meant to say. it's just nonsense. -this line: "i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." WTF DOES THIS MEAN? it's the same as the earlier quote. rayn is just talking nonsense here which is the easiest way to figure out his alignment. when I read rayn's game my first thought was "ok, rayn is being sarcastic for most if not all of this" so I ask him to clarify if he was actually reading robik as scum but he says all those statements are real? lol
Alright, I'm pretty convinced, last thing, can you provide a good town game where thrawn plays sensibly for contrast?
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On March 27 2014 03:30 Palmar wrote:
Do you think marv's push against me is genuine?
I don't know because i don't know what his push on you is.
But he looks quite normal town!marv to me so my guess would be yes.
Maybe we learn more when he tells us what his push is.
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On March 27 2014 03:32 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:My case on thrawn: On March 26 2014 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 15:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 15:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
as to why I asked for clarification.. i'd like to talk about reads rather than playing games to figure out wtf everyone is saying. i'm too tired for that atm Also this post is really really scummy because here thrawn claims he has no time for games and he wants to talk about reads.What's contradictory to this he never really explains why he has a scumread on me, he does not explain why he is voting for me. He does not ask me why i am townreading Robik. He does (or rather doesn't do) all this and then he whines about "people not being transparent and clear with their thoughts". Obvious contradiction. On March 26 2014 15:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To clarify. I think Holyflare is "capable" of using shitlogic like this because i have seen him doing that as town before. For example Holyflare defended vivax in the last game based on something he didn't know fuck about, he only knew half of the story.
thrawn however does not do this as town. He is mostly laid back, doesn't jump onto conclusions with incomplete informatio. Remember, that has nothing to do with maked bad calls (like in LXIV: restart) based on complete picture. I am talking about filling the puzzle with something he makes up himself. In fact the only time i have seen him do this is as mafia in Extractor trick which made me instantly catch him. And i think we have just seen the same thing here. Meta + thrawn making unreasonable assumptions.
Both of these things are something thrawn does not do as town, because he is not crazy town like you for example can be. Meta part is explained in my filter from Extractor trick. In that game i claimed cop 1h into the game. thrawn said "you could be mafia for fakeclaiming". I asked him why. His reasoning was "because you also fakeclaimed cop in Witchcraft mini". Just because i did something in some other game does not make me mafia. After that thrawn refused to elaborate more on the reasoning while repeateldy being asked about it. He also made some contradicting things like putting gumshoe into L-1 in IML game then basically said "don't hammer" which made no sense. The point is thrawn does not do stuff that makes no sense or does not not explain his shit as town, he does that as mafia. In this game he does stuff that makes no sense as my quotes above and below, as Holyflares case do explain.On March 26 2014 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:This is the TLDR thrawn gives:
then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense.
the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content...
If you read the content of his case and see if it matches up with the "TLDR;" he writes at the start of his post you'll notice: red) i am not making up stuff anywhere and thrawn does not explain where i do it blue) this is a part of my case. thrawn makes judgement calls on incomplete information. what i say is not scummy just because thrawn does not understand that. ne never cares what my intention of saying things i say is (which i have pointed out). also read my case why this is scummy for thrawn. green) I didn't find this notable in the first place, it's just "this happened", does not say why i am mafia in any reasonable way, but what you pointed out in fact proves this in fact did not even happen as thrawn says it did. Here is the TLDR; from thrawns case which elaborate more on the point i presented earlier. Also there is stuff in his case where the TLDR; does not match up with what he says. His case in full so you can compare; + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2014 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 16:47 phagga wrote:On March 26 2014 16:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol rayn it's so funny watching you pretend like you know why i'm voting for you Why are you voting rayn? I don't see an explanation in your filter. then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense. the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content... "2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." -i doubt rayn doesn't care about winning the belt - "I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative" what the fuck does this even mean? if robik is scum then of course he is not "some sort of psychic" who is excellent at reading rayn. if robik is scum the robik KNOWS RAYN IS TOWN and doesn't need to try and figure out if rayn is town. like... i can't properly explain the problem I have with this quote because I don't even know what the quote is meant to say. it's just nonsense. -this line: "i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." WTF DOES THIS MEAN? it's the same as the earlier quote. rayn is just talking nonsense here which is the easiest way to figure out his alignment. when I read rayn's game my first thought was "ok, rayn is being sarcastic for most if not all of this" so I ask him to clarify if he was actually reading robik as scum but he says all those statements are real? lol Alright, I'm pretty convinced, last thing, can you provide a good town game where thrawn plays sensibly for contrast?
Basically every town game of his.
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I mean, if you can find one that you think contradicts my statement we can talk about it and see if i am wrong or if people do not understand what i mean.
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On March 27 2014 03:32 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:My case on thrawn: On March 26 2014 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 15:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 26 2014 15:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
as to why I asked for clarification.. i'd like to talk about reads rather than playing games to figure out wtf everyone is saying. i'm too tired for that atm Also this post is really really scummy because here thrawn claims he has no time for games and he wants to talk about reads.What's contradictory to this he never really explains why he has a scumread on me, he does not explain why he is voting for me. He does not ask me why i am townreading Robik. He does (or rather doesn't do) all this and then he whines about "people not being transparent and clear with their thoughts". Obvious contradiction. On March 26 2014 15:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
To clarify. I think Holyflare is "capable" of using shitlogic like this because i have seen him doing that as town before. For example Holyflare defended vivax in the last game based on something he didn't know fuck about, he only knew half of the story.
thrawn however does not do this as town. He is mostly laid back, doesn't jump onto conclusions with incomplete informatio. Remember, that has nothing to do with maked bad calls (like in LXIV: restart) based on complete picture. I am talking about filling the puzzle with something he makes up himself. In fact the only time i have seen him do this is as mafia in Extractor trick which made me instantly catch him. And i think we have just seen the same thing here. Meta + thrawn making unreasonable assumptions.
Both of these things are something thrawn does not do as town, because he is not crazy town like you for example can be. Meta part is explained in my filter from Extractor trick. In that game i claimed cop 1h into the game. thrawn said "you could be mafia for fakeclaiming". I asked him why. His reasoning was "because you also fakeclaimed cop in Witchcraft mini". Just because i did something in some other game does not make me mafia. After that thrawn refused to elaborate more on the reasoning while repeateldy being asked about it. He also made some contradicting things like putting gumshoe into L-1 in IML game then basically said "don't hammer" which made no sense. The point is thrawn does not do stuff that makes no sense or does not not explain his shit as town, he does that as mafia. In this game he does stuff that makes no sense as my quotes above and below, as Holyflares case do explain.On March 26 2014 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:This is the TLDR thrawn gives:
then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense.
the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content...
If you read the content of his case and see if it matches up with the "TLDR;" he writes at the start of his post you'll notice: red) i am not making up stuff anywhere and thrawn does not explain where i do it blue) this is a part of my case. thrawn makes judgement calls on incomplete information. what i say is not scummy just because thrawn does not understand that. ne never cares what my intention of saying things i say is (which i have pointed out). also read my case why this is scummy for thrawn. green) I didn't find this notable in the first place, it's just "this happened", does not say why i am mafia in any reasonable way, but what you pointed out in fact proves this in fact did not even happen as thrawn says it did. Here is the TLDR; from thrawns case which elaborate more on the point i presented earlier. Also there is stuff in his case where the TLDR; does not match up with what he says. His case in full so you can compare; + Show Spoiler +On March 26 2014 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2014 16:47 phagga wrote:On March 26 2014 16:08 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol rayn it's so funny watching you pretend like you know why i'm voting for you Why are you voting rayn? I don't see an explanation in your filter. then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense. the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content... "2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." -i doubt rayn doesn't care about winning the belt - "I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative" what the fuck does this even mean? if robik is scum then of course he is not "some sort of psychic" who is excellent at reading rayn. if robik is scum the robik KNOWS RAYN IS TOWN and doesn't need to try and figure out if rayn is town. like... i can't properly explain the problem I have with this quote because I don't even know what the quote is meant to say. it's just nonsense. -this line: "i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." WTF DOES THIS MEAN? it's the same as the earlier quote. rayn is just talking nonsense here which is the easiest way to figure out his alignment. when I read rayn's game my first thought was "ok, rayn is being sarcastic for most if not all of this" so I ask him to clarify if he was actually reading robik as scum but he says all those statements are real? lol Alright, I'm pretty convinced, last thing, can you provide a good town game where thrawn plays sensibly for contrast?
gumshoe...if you recall in GSL, Thrawn was making a funky play with regards to posting a bunch of fluff at the beginning of the day, me getting mad at him for it and calling him scum for it, then he kept going and then he explained himself after the interaction was over.
That's what I thought he was doing in this game originally with the voting outside of thread without explanations. Turns out he wasn't trying to get reactions as I had assumed but was making "real reads".
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On March 27 2014 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 03:30 Palmar wrote:
Do you think marv's push against me is genuine? I don't know because i don't know what his push on you is. But he looks quite normal town!marv to me so my guess would be yes. Maybe we learn more when he tells us what his push is.
You realize scummarv talks about things exactly the same way as town marv, the only difference is the quality of their contributions when they actually have something to add to the discussion?
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On March 27 2014 03:32 IAmRobik wrote:
why does marv have 5 pages of filter and 0 memorable content, whereas thrawn and phagga and gumshoe have 2 and have contributed a boatload more to the game?
Hey Robik i tell you something.
Forget about marv for now. He can appear useless for the first 40 hours if he chooses so. He will provide content when he thinks it needs to be provided and he'll have explanations for his actions. There is no way you can bully him into doing something you want by yelling him, voting for him, or by anything.
When he does his stuff if it's not reasonable then he might be mafia. Right now there is nothing mafia-esque in his play.
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On March 27 2014 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 03:27 gumshoe wrote:On March 27 2014 03:22 Holyflare wrote:
No he fucking said he put a vote down on rayn based on the tone of rayns post straight away regardless of the content which
A) is tterrible because he voted without reading the content
B) is a flat out lie because he asked something based on the content of rayns post before his vote went down anyway
So he got caught out in a "lie" and rayn called him mafia for other stuff. Thrawn's reaction is that rayn didn't keep hounding him about being mafia so rayn must be mafia. Thrawn thinks rayn is mafia but ninja unvotes him in vote thread without saying anything about it.
Thrawn is mafia I still dont understand the bolded T_T show me the lie, is it the same lie thrawn was talking about? As for the second paragraph, all I see is indecisive belligerent waffling, just as likely in my eyes to be town bumbling(especially out of thrawn, a player I've known to get super high before playing) as it is to be scum pandering. You are asking me to believe we have caught obviusly terrible scum in a game filled with predominantly great players, and I'm just not seeing it / : - I make a post. - thrawn asks me about the post. - I answer - thrawn votes for me. Later on he says "i initially voted for rayn because of the tone of his post". Him asking me a question and voting for me only after the answer does implicate his statement of the tone of the post is false.
This is eh, townies do shit like this all the time (having a judgement in mind but asking a question anyways) but the similarity to Extractor is stunning.
The ninja voting.
The dumb meta/tone accusation (leveled against you as well)
The self contradicting (saying not to hammer when he put me in hammer range)
Also in GSl he is more concerned about the game itself, doesnt make as many dumb leaps, barely any in fact. Voting Thrawn.
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On March 27 2014 03:10 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 02:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 27 2014 02:41 prplhz wrote:
okay dinner is back on so i'm gone again!
rayn i think i explained everything i did and if there's something i didn't explain then let me know and i'll explain it i don't do that i'm-not-saying-this-is-a-super-trap-gonna-catch-me-some-mafia-by-being-overly-secretive thing, it's way over (or below?) my level of play. my marv vote was because he was annoying (i also said that explicitly at some point even though i think it was pretty obvious). So do you think he is mafia or not for being annoying? If you think being annoying makes him mafia why didn't me being annoying make me mafia enough to vote for me? i don't think him being annoying points at him being mafia no
So do you think anyone is mafia and what exactly is your game plan to find mafia?
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In fact, thrawn was so subdued and chill in gsl, we shot him night 1 cause we thought he had to be blue XD
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On March 27 2014 03:42 gumshoe wrote:
In fact, thrawn was so subdued and chill in gsl, we shot him night 1 cause we thought he had to be blue XD
Like this is the definition of thrawn's town play and everyone who has played against him knows this.
He always gets shot because he looks so town but also subdued enough for people to think he is blue. 
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Thrawn, when you get back I'd like you to clarify the lie, was it the same one Rayn and Holy were talking about? What point did you see to not being 100 percent genuine? Who do you think is scum now?
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On March 27 2014 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 03:42 gumshoe wrote:
In fact, thrawn was so subdued and chill in gsl, we shot him night 1 cause we thought he had to be blue XD Like this is the definition of thrawn's town play and everyone who has played against him knows this. He always gets shot because he looks so town but also subdued enough for people to think he is blue.
Shot him last game, can confirm
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On March 27 2014 03:30 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2014 03:22 Holyflare wrote:
No he fucking said he put a vote down on rayn based on the tone of rayns post straight away regardless of the content which
A) is tterrible because he voted without reading the content
B) is a flat out lie because he asked something based on the content of rayns post before his vote went down anyway
So he got caught out in a "lie" and rayn called him mafia for other stuff. Thrawn's reaction is that rayn didn't keep hounding him about being mafia so rayn must be mafia. Thrawn thinks rayn is mafia but ninja unvotes him in vote thread without saying anything about it.
Thrawn is mafia fair enough, I get it now. Do you think marv's push against me is genuine?
You can tell how it's not by the way he says he wants you to do things so he can see whether to unvote you or not
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So Palmar, the case on thrawn?
Also what are your thoughts on purplehaze?
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i'm the hero liquidia deserves but not the one it needs
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I like holyflare's part, your stuff is too meta for me to reallly care about it.
prplhz plays like an asshole as any alignment. He's not being supertown which he's perfectly capable of but if that was lynchworthy VE should be policy lynched every game. If prplhz wants to he can look really town (I cleared him in no time in default suspicion game), but not doing that doesn't make him mafia
I like that he came to the same conclusion as me regarding your argument, ie that holyflare's side was much more understandable, but he doesn't really explain why he comes to that conclusion so meh.
He did vote for marv though, so that makes him supertown, marv even said so himself.
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On March 27 2014 04:43 prplhz wrote:
i'm the hero liquidia deserves but not the one it needs
I first read that as "I'm the hero liquidia deserves but no one needs" I thought you were really funny for a second there.
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There is only a small part of my case that is meta. Did you even read it?
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