World Heavyweight Championship Mafia II - Page 32

On March 27 2014 01:35 Palmar wrote:
@Robik, I have no idea how you can come back from the rayn/HF exchange thinking rayn looks better than HF.

On March 27 2014 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So if i understand correctly Palmar and prplhz hate people not explaining their shit and then they refuse to explain their shit "to show how annoying it is". Am i correct?

Also note that i didn't explain my townread on Robik and that's the only thing i didn't explain, unless someone of course asked me to explain it.

On March 27 2014 02:39 Palmar wrote:

Well no, I tried to ask marv (who had at the time and still hasn't said anything worth mentioning) what he thought of holyflare. I thought HF's reactions, and how they evolved throughout your conversation are extremely difficult to fake as scum, I was actually ready to yell "RAYN MAFIA, BAD RAYN" until you actually explained why you had a townread on Robik. ie, I think you were a dick to holyflare and he responded very naturally.

I wanted to know if marv had noticed the same thing, but by then he had clearly decided he wanted to call me mafia so it was a bit of a brick wall.

There is no reason for him not to answer you as any alignment, but I guess it is actually reasonable to think there is a small chance of panic and overexplanation.

You're assuming I think rayn is smarter than me. I did not consider the option that you might panic and overexplain, or any other scenario that makes the question reasonable, thus I wanted to find out if rayn had considered any scenario where him questioning you might lead to something.

Please explain how it was harmful.

If the bolded is true I am mafia for asking that question, no matter what. The only answer you accept as genuine can not possibly be given at that point in the thread because it's completely unreasonable to think rayn is scummy at that point. Thus by your own definition I must be mafia for asking that question and there is no need for you to follow up on it, as any answer I give will always make me mafia in your eyes.

##Vote gumshoe

If we first assume that the only reasonable answers to your question are "yes" and "no", then yes I can. If I am mafia, it should be obvious that answering the question "yes" (and thus truthfully) would increase the chances of me getting lynched significantly.

It is not as obvious that a "no" answer as town will increase the chances I get lynched, and thus reduce town's chances of winning the game. The thing is a hard "no" answer to this question is not what I'd usually do as town. A more likely answer from me would be along the lines of "bitch please", "no, are you?" or "no, but I know who is *reasons*". All of those answers are both truthful and would (in my opinion) decrease the chances of me being lynched. However the short, hard "no" I would think is slightly suspicious coming from me. This is arguable, but I'd put the increased chance of me being lynched from the hard "no" at maybe a percent or so, small, but still valid.



However what I'm surprised you haven't picked up on about Palmar is how inconsistent he is when presenting that original statement.

The refusal to truthfully answer the question is based upon desire to win the game. The entire reason he does not provide the answer is that he thinks he cannot do so truthfully without decreasing his chances to win.

However, given that the refusal is based on his own speculations about the game and how town might react to his statements, he should have also been able to deduce that the refusal would put him under even more scrutiny than answering "no" as town. This contradicts his initial motivation for not answering, as not providing the answer means he's under more suspicion than he would be if he answered truthfully as town.

This leaves only the option that Palmar is scum, as then, and then only, would the suspicion be increased by a truthful answer compared to no answer. And while that wasn't his original baseline, the motivation for the answer given implies that's the case.

I would vote for Palmar but seeing as he is me and that would once again reduce my chances to win I'm afraid I can't. But I hope people notice this contradiction in his play.

On March 27 2014 02:41 prplhz wrote:
okay dinner is back on so i'm gone again!

rayn i think i explained everything i did and if there's something i didn't explain then let me know and i'll explain it i don't do that i'm-not-saying-this-is-a-super-trap-gonna-catch-me-some-mafia-by-being-overly-secretive thing, it's way over (or below?) my level of play. my marv vote was because he was annoying (i also said that explicitly at some point even though i think it was pretty obvious).

On March 27 2014 02:54 Palmar wrote:
Sure!

HF town for arguing with rayn
gumshoe town for calling me mafia
prplhz hero for voting marv
rayn maybe town for arguing a lot
robik maaaaybe town
thrawn idk
phagga idk
marv mafia for calling me mafia

There you go!

On March 27 2014 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think you voted for me after that conversation. How does the bolded part make sense?

I think you're reading way too much into it. Palmar asked a question because he was curious as to rayn's motives, rayn answered, life moves on. Well, except that it didn't of course.

If someone finds something odd/weird/eye-brow raising then it's reasonable to ask a question to find out if said oddness is just oddness or scummy oddness, and I don't think it's particularly fair to think that Palmar should have a bunch of potential rayn answers in mind when he asked the question.

I'd quite like to murder Palmar.

Who's in?

On March 27 2014 02:55 gumshoe wrote:


Why am I town for calling you mafia but Marv is scum 0_o