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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 27 2014 03:00 Holyflare wrote: The fuck are you saying tram? I turned on him when i proved he was a liar and then admitted it and then called rayn mafia for the remaining time and has ninja unvoted him while still calling him mafia. Why you not read thread? Can you link to that incident so I can sheep it? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Holy, Rayn, why do you think sloppiness is indicative of Thrawns scum play? Can you provide examples where he takes insane leaps that make him look like scum? Here, read what i wrote on thrawn in the Extractor Mini mafia game. It's on my filter pages 3-4: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/439578-extractor-trick-mini-mafia?user=Raynpelikoneet | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 27 2014 02:58 Palmar wrote: Even if you believe I actually wanted to lynch you, wouldn't policy lynches by definition be excluded from reads? Here is the problem. I don't think your vote was a joke, or was it? If your vote is not a joke and you were serious with your policy lynch reasoning, shouldn't you still be voting for me? I thought that's what policy lynches are about. Someone does something you find worth policy lynching and then it does not matter what anyone else does. Or was it "policy lynch until i find something else"? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=23#444 2nd link most important link cz ninja unvote | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 27 2014 03:00 Holyflare wrote: The fuck are you saying tram? I turned on him when i proved he was a liar and then admitted it and then called rayn mafia for the remaining time and has ninja unvoted him while still calling him mafia. Why you not read thread? How do those things prove hes scum? It just sounds like shitty town play, and an easy thing to jump on. Explain to me as if I'm five years old how making an obviously terrible accusation and then crumbling under it is the sign of someone trying to sabotage the thread without getting implicated in the process, because it sounds like Thrawns actions accomplished neither of those things. Maybe thats because you and Rayn are awesome and the best townies to ever townie, or maybe its because he was just making a shitty day one read, why is the former more likely? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 27 2014 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is the problem. I don't think your vote was a joke, or was it? If your vote is not a joke and you were serious with your policy lynch reasoning, shouldn't you still be voting for me? I thought that's what policy lynches are about. Someone does something you find worth policy lynching and then it does not matter what anyone else does. Or was it "policy lynch until i find something else"? I did not want to lynch you, the trap thing is a joke referring to a certain other game. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 27 2014 02:37 marvellosity wrote: rayn, you've come back at a super annoying time, I have to leave shortly and it is my mum's birthday this evening so I'll be gone for some hours. Hopefully you'll be around later this evening/tonight instead. Oh yes i most likely will be around. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 27 2014 03:09 Palmar wrote: I did not want to lynch you, the trap thing is a joke referring to a certain other game. Okay, fair enough. So what do you think about my case and Holyflare's case on thrawn? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On March 27 2014 02:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: So do you think he is mafia or not for being annoying? If you think being annoying makes him mafia why didn't me being annoying make me mafia enough to vote for me? i don't think him being annoying points at him being mafia no | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 27 2014 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, fair enough. So what do you think about my case and Holyflare's case on thrawn? Haven't read yours, sort of don't understand holyflare's, like I don't see how him asking that question suddenly invalidates the entire point, but I am re-reading it and looking for hf's explanation if there is one now. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 27 2014 03:07 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=17#337 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446774-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-ii?page=23#444 2nd link most important link cz ninja unvote 1), What are you saying here? That his vote came after he aired suspicions? Whats wrong with that? 2) He admitted to lying 0_o why do that as scum? It just seems so dumb and reckless, he could always just stay the course instead of opening himself up to more attack. Its shitty yes, but I fail to see how its more likely to be scummy, as what hes saying is more likely to get him into trouble rather than out of it. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 27 2014 03:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe: Here, read what i wrote on thrawn in the Extractor Mini mafia game. It's on my filter pages 3-4: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/439578-extractor-trick-mini-mafia?user=Raynpelikoneet Can you be more specific just so were on the right page? He ninja voted me yes, as you claimed, does he not that as town? Also another thing to keep in mind was the game in question was instant majority, therefore ninja votes are often scums bread and butter(sure enough I was killed only a few hours into the game, thanks Rayn : P ), thats just not the case here, the vote thread is open for all to see and theres no way he wasnt going to get called out, why put pressure on himself that way as scum? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
A) is tterrible because he voted without reading the content B) is a flat out lie because he asked something based on the content of rayns post before his vote went down anyway So he got caught out in a "lie" and rayn called him mafia for other stuff. Thrawn's reaction is that rayn didn't keep hounding him about being mafia so rayn must be mafia. Thrawn thinks rayn is mafia but ninja unvotes him in vote thread without saying anything about it. Thrawn is mafia | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 26 2014 17:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Obvious contradiction. Meta + thrawn making unreasonable assumptions. Both of these things are something thrawn does not do as town, because he is not crazy town like you for example can be. Meta part is explained in my filter from Extractor trick. In that game i claimed cop 1h into the game. thrawn said "you could be mafia for fakeclaiming". I asked him why. His reasoning was "because you also fakeclaimed cop in Witchcraft mini". Just because i did something in some other game does not make me mafia. After that thrawn refused to elaborate more on the reasoning while repeateldy being asked about it. He also made some contradicting things like putting gumshoe into L-1 in IML game then basically said "don't hammer" which made no sense. The point is thrawn does not do stuff that makes no sense or does not not explain his shit as town, he does that as mafia. In this game he does stuff that makes no sense as my quotes above and below, as Holyflares case do explain. On March 26 2014 18:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the TLDR thrawn gives: If you read the content of his case and see if it matches up with the "TLDR;" he writes at the start of his post you'll notice: red) i am not making up stuff anywhere and thrawn does not explain where i do it blue) this is a part of my case. thrawn makes judgement calls on incomplete information. what i say is not scummy just because thrawn does not understand that. ne never cares what my intention of saying things i say is (which i have pointed out). also read my case why this is scummy for thrawn. green) I didn't find this notable in the first place, it's just "this happened", does not say why i am mafia in any reasonable way, but what you pointed out in fact proves this in fact did not even happen as thrawn says it did. Here is the TLDR; from thrawns case which elaborate more on the point i presented earlier. Also there is stuff in his case where the TLDR; does not match up with what he says. His case in full so you can compare; + Show Spoiler + On March 26 2014 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote: then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense. the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content... "2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." -i doubt rayn doesn't care about winning the belt - "I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative" what the fuck does this even mean? if robik is scum then of course he is not "some sort of psychic" who is excellent at reading rayn. if robik is scum the robik KNOWS RAYN IS TOWN and doesn't need to try and figure out if rayn is town. like... i can't properly explain the problem I have with this quote because I don't even know what the quote is meant to say. it's just nonsense. -this line: "i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." WTF DOES THIS MEAN? it's the same as the earlier quote. rayn is just talking nonsense here which is the easiest way to figure out his alignment. when I read rayn's game my first thought was "ok, rayn is being sarcastic for most if not all of this" so I ask him to clarify if he was actually reading robik as scum but he says all those statements are real? lol | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 27 2014 03:22 Holyflare wrote: No he fucking said he put a vote down on rayn based on the tone of rayns post straight away regardless of the content which A) is tterrible because he voted without reading the content B) is a flat out lie because he asked something based on the content of rayns post before his vote went down anyway So he got caught out in a "lie" and rayn called him mafia for other stuff. Thrawn's reaction is that rayn didn't keep hounding him about being mafia so rayn must be mafia. Thrawn thinks rayn is mafia but ninja unvotes him in vote thread without saying anything about it. Thrawn is mafia I still dont understand the bolded T_T show me the lie, is it the same lie thrawn was talking about? As for the second paragraph, all I see is indecisive belligerent waffling, just as likely in my eyes to be town bumbling(especially out of thrawn, a player I've known to get super high before playing) as it is to be scum pandering. You are asking me to believe we have caught obviusly terrible scum in a game filled with predominantly great players, and I'm just not seeing it / : | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On March 27 2014 03:22 Holyflare wrote: No he fucking said he put a vote down on rayn based on the tone of rayns post straight away regardless of the content which A) is tterrible because he voted without reading the content B) is a flat out lie because he asked something based on the content of rayns post before his vote went down anyway So he got caught out in a "lie" and rayn called him mafia for other stuff. Thrawn's reaction is that rayn didn't keep hounding him about being mafia so rayn must be mafia. Thrawn thinks rayn is mafia but ninja unvotes him in vote thread without saying anything about it. Thrawn is mafia fair enough, I get it now. Do you think marv's push against me is genuine? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 27 2014 03:27 gumshoe wrote: I still dont understand the bolded T_T show me the lie, is it the same lie thrawn was talking about? As for the second paragraph, all I see is indecisive belligerent waffling, just as likely in my eyes to be town bumbling(especially out of thrawn, a player I've known to get super high before playing) as it is to be scum pandering. You are asking me to believe we have caught obviusly terrible scum in a game filled with predominantly great players, and I'm just not seeing it / : - I make a post. - thrawn asks me about the post. - I answer - thrawn votes for me. Later on he says "i initially voted for rayn because of the tone of his post". Him asking me a question and voting for me only after the answer does implicate his statement of the tone of the post is false. | ||
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