EPTEDIT: Yeah i agree with your post BH, that makes sense. I am basically trying to say playing against your wincon (in this instance ragequitting OR asking for a replacement because you could not handle something that happened in game) is playing against your wincon. You intentionally choose to quit instead of trying to play, if you get modkilled/replaced is irrelevant. If you did call hosts whatever names it's between you and the host, it does not make you a double-quitter or anything. The host can put you on a personal ignore list or something, that does not make the "silent quitter" any less worse for the current game, regadless of the outcome and the time/phase they quitted.
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
EDIT: Yeah i agree with your post BH, that makes sense. I am basically trying to say playing against your wincon (in this instance ragequitting OR asking for a replacement because you could not handle something that happened in game) is playing against your wincon. You intentionally choose to quit instead of trying to play, if you get modkilled/replaced is irrelevant. If you did call hosts whatever names it's between you and the host, it does not make you a double-quitter or anything. The host can put you on a personal ignore list or something, that does not make the "silent quitter" any less worse for the current game, regadless of the outcome and the time/phase they quitted. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
It may come as a shock but whilst the axis of the earth may be near ??Australia?? The world in fact does not revolve around you. Stop talking about you being a lesser of a kmien evil. Your action alone is evil. That is irrefutAble. That said, I'm not asking for your ban. That's the past. If you do it again with ban list 2.0 I WOULD expect a ban. Anything less is justice not being served and the very disparity I and others are raising and despising. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
And in the same sense, if GreyMist or someone does something "borderline" where i could either ask for a warning or for a ban, I'll ask for the warning. If it's some newb who doesn't know where the line is, who hasn't proven his value to the community? I won't bend over back to make things nice for him. Ultimately, there SHOULD be something you get, a benefit of the doubt, for being a great guy who's always there and always does well. I think a system that treats a new player who does something borderline the same as a vet who plays 50 games perfectly then does something borderline is not a good system. I think at that point, we're making a system to serve a system, rather than a system to serve a community. Ultimately, I'd be happy without a banlist. I'd be happy never asking for a ban for any of my players, and just saying to them after the game, "hey man, you raged really hard that game and I had to modkill you. You should take some time off." If this were a community with like 12 players total, we could do that. If this were a community with like 200 players, we'd have to have extremely codified rules since there's no informal way to do things. This is neither of that. This is a smallish community where we all know each other, but we're not all reading and watching every game, so we have a semi-codified ban list system. I would like to see us not need a ban list at all, but we're big enough we need a formal one. And that's fine. But the solution to discrepancies isn't to make the ban list more formal. It's to talk. If someone feels like they're being singled out for poor treatment, the solution isn't to make a cold system that's not conducive to building this small community, the solution is for someone to step up and run the EU movie night or something. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
We can all raise token situations that prove the suggested path forward doesn't work What is you take on repeat in real life inactivity modkilled players? Because frankly, that is my biggest pet peeve. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
A warning shortly followed by a ban is just a ban unless it's really bad offense. -- as was the case with DP A ban shortly followed by another ban is a 3-game. -- as was the case with geript If this doesn't explain it then I am just not sure what else can be said. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On January 06 2014 18:50 Mocsta wrote: Stop talking about you being a lesser of a kmien evil. Your action alone is evil. That is irrefutAble. They are literally talking about me so I don't know how you can say that I think the earth revolves around me. As rayn is LITERALLY discussing me and using my games as examples. Like what the fuck is actually happening in this thread. 2 people I like and respect have like such a different mindset to me that I can't empathise with anything they are saying at all. On January 06 2014 18:50 Mocsta wrote: Stop talking about you being a lesser of a kmien evil. Your action alone is evil. That is irrefutAble. What the fuck does this mean? lol. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On January 06 2014 18:54 Mocsta wrote: Bh We can all raise token situations that prove the suggested path forward doesn't work What is you take on repeat in real life inactivity modkilled players? Because frankly, that is my biggest pet peeve. The point about these "token situations" is that the continuum of situations is just a bunch of "token situations" all lumped together. different things happen to different people. As much as possible I prefer a case by case basis because we are small enough and know each other well enough that we should be able to do that. Things like standard inactivity modkills make sense to me though, especially for newbie games since we'll get a lot of people signing up then forgetting about it. re: real life inactivity modkills, it really depends. If a guy's mom dies one game, then his dad dies the next game, then his sister the next game, I think we probably shouldn't make his life any tougher. I guess the point I'm trying to get at here is some kind of standardized solution will obviously have like edge cases where it makes no sense ie our solution to the dog having too much food is to shoot the cat and sell the hamster to the neighbor or some weird shit because we have rules. rules constrict when we can just do a case by case basis when we need to. We have SOME structure, a ban system, standard punishments, but the host discretion is imo non-trivially important | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
Regarding u personally. Don't be the guy in the Benz saying he was robbed of a good start to life. Be the bigger man and ignore it. U didn't receive a ban. There is a clean slate.u had a self imposed hiatus. It is what it is. There is no need to further feed that discussion. I'm talking in general as was rayn until pressured to be specific. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On January 06 2014 18:57 ObviousOne wrote: Like I am pretty sure I am 100% correct and that is because I have over time, many moons ago, read the entire ban list thread from top to bottom. Same lol. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On January 06 2014 19:01 Blazinghand wrote: is mocsta writing in verse? That's his iPad-typing. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
Of course if someone dies whether proven true or not, leniency is given. This is a casual game after all, it the mafia Olympics. I'm talking about people who repeatedly sign up, don't post get mod killed for forgetting to vote cos they are just "busy" or become close to modkill territory continusously and in short are frustrating to play with or against. There are a plethora of players that need not be named that can be categorised like this. Is your solution to WotC these players, or are you turning a blind eye completely? | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On January 06 2014 18:59 Mocsta wrote: Kmien is known lol. Regarding u personally. Don't be the guy in the Benz saying he was robbed of a good start to life. Be the bigger man and ignore it. U didn't receive a ban. There is a clean slate.u had a self imposed hiatus. It is what it is. There is no need to further feed that discussion. I'm talking in general as was rayn until pressured to be specific. Yeah and I am literally using those same games he used as counter examples. So tell me mocsta, why do you think I think the earth revolves around me? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On January 06 2014 19:03 Mocsta wrote: More token situations. Of course if someone dies whether proven true or not, leniency is given. This is a casual game after all, it the mafia Olympics. I'm talking about people who repeatedly sign up, don't post get mod killed for forgetting to vote cos they are just "busy" or become close to modkill territory continusously and in short are frustrating to play with or against. There are a plethora of players that need not be named that can be categorised like this. Is your solution to WotC these players, or are you turning a blind eye completely? You're saying they sign up, inactivity out and get banned, sit out a game, and repeat? Who the fuck are these people? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On January 06 2014 19:04 ObviousOne wrote: You're saying they sign up, inactivity out and get banned, sit out a game, and repeat? Who the fuck are these people? dude dude OO DP I think we're about to find out that the three of us are from an alternate universe or maybe moc and rayne are or something and our universe are colliding, this is the first evidence of the collision, and we hav eto work together with Green Lantern to stop it | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On January 06 2014 19:06 Blazinghand wrote: dude dude OO DP I think we're about to find out that the three of us are from an alternate universe or maybe moc and rayne are or something and our universe are colliding, this is the first evidence of the collision, and we hav eto work together with Green Lantern to stop it Dibs on the sexy green outfit. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On January 06 2014 19:04 ObviousOne wrote: You're saying they sign up, inactivity out and get banned, sit out a game, and repeat? Who the fuck are these people? Literally that is stutters he is talking about and he is probably the only one who has gotten away with it. | ||
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