EPTEveryone knows hydras are strong. (Or Masons, for that matter). Another person to bounce ideas around with is insanely beneficial as town. It gives you direction you may have been lacking otherwise.
Ban List 2.0 Breakout Discussion - Page 19
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Everyone knows hydras are strong. (Or Masons, for that matter). Another person to bounce ideas around with is insanely beneficial as town. It gives you direction you may have been lacking otherwise. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
So dont contact people with obs and dead people and its fine | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Last newbie game i coached i "knew" Robik was mafia because i happened to saw his scummy post, did i tell my coachees to lynch him? No. I told them how to play mafia when they asked me. Not who to lynch. It's dumb to bring coaching into this. It has nothing to do with the issue. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
Unless the coach isn't reading the thread at all and the coached person does not quote anything, your own perspective is usually going to affect any advice you give, no matter how general it may seem like. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
This should be taken to the actual ban list thread. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Actually saying in-thread that another specific player has been reading and agrees with you (even if you don't post direct conversations) is not ok. It's the same reason why newbie games don't allow you to talk about your interactions with coaches - it gives indications to your alignment that have nothing to do with what's going on in the thread. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On April 15 2014 13:33 HiroPro wrote: Actually saying in-thread that another specific player has been reading and agrees with you (even if you don't post direct conversations) is not ok. It's the same reason why newbie games don't allow you to talk about your interactions with coaches - it gives indications to your alignment that have nothing to do with what's going on in the thread. I absolutely agree with this. I also dislike when players ask hosts questions in public or even make specific excuses about their activity. In my view you shouldn't say anything that doesn't directly relate to the game. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 15 2014 13:39 Keirathi wrote: Say I'm in a game right now and I PM you and say "Hey man. Can you take a look at *insert filter here* and tell me what you see? Something feels off." is okay? My opinion is that it's okay if and only if that person is otherwise un-involved in the game in any way (not a replacement, not in obs, not already talking to other players). But you're talking about from the player's perspective and they're talking about from the outsider's perspective. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10859 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On April 15 2014 13:38 DarthPunk wrote: Rayn said marv has told him who he should lynch on two separate occasions. One of which was a game in which he had access to the obs qt. This is important, you should post it in the Ban thread. <- That way | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 15 2014 13:41 ObviousOne wrote: My opinion is that it's okay if and only if that person is otherwise un-involved in the game in any way (not a replacement, not in obs, not already talking to other players). But you're talking about from the player's perspective and they're talking about from the outsider's perspective. I don't think it's okay, whether that person is involved or not. Specifically talking about reads with anyone not in the game thread or appropriate QTs seems pretty sketchy. There's a bit of a grey area, of course. Say I was playing a game of LoL with wave, and he's like "Hey, so how's Random Game going? I've read most of it but missed the last day" And I say something like "Oh it's okay. We lynched scum yesterday, and I'm pretty sure yamato is scum and we'll lynch him tomorrow." To which Wave replies "Oh yea, I can definitely see him being scum from what little I read." Something like that is hard to really call "cheating", but it is certainly a grey area, and I'm sure most people have done it accidentally on occasion. But where do you draw the line? It's a very very hard line *TO* draw, and probably the best solution is just to say "Don't talk about reads with people outside of the game, EVER." | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 15 2014 13:43 DarthPunk wrote: This breakout discussion thread is the worst. We now have the same discussion in two threads and have to fucking cross post things. There's a reason I'm not posting in the ban thread. I'm not making arguments for why anyone should or should not get banned. And I dont really think the ban list thread is the place to discuss potential rules changes. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On April 15 2014 13:39 Keirathi wrote: Say I'm in a game right now and I PM you and say "Hey man. Can you take a look at *insert filter here* and tell me what you see? Something feels off." is okay? It's really hard to define stuff like this. If you're just like "BH obvious mafia, everyone else is jubjubs and can't see it -__-" and the other person is like "yea i agree", w/e who cares. But if that person is going to write a case for you or tell you something like this, then I don't think it's ok at all: Original Message From strongandbig: hey so sorry ive been away i'm at CERN now, it means I'm doing a lot of work - we shipped an experiment here from the US. anyway let's talk a little bit about reads. Here's where I stand right now: Players 1) Igrok ---- probably scum, b/c of carrying us and trololol 2) Cephiro ---- probably scum for setup reasons, scum probably have a samus bc of kp imbalance plus we and cephiro both revealed we are samus yet igrok decided to carry us, why? 3) Mister Saturn ---- town lol 4) grush57 ---- I don't think I've seen him play a game where it actually looked like he was trying. Null read 5) talismania ---- probably scum, i forget why at the moment but that's what I thought last night 6) kingdedede ---- probably town, no reason for scum to reveal that they had a bus driver when they could have used it to screw town over, and it would have been easy enough for him not to claim it's not like there was pressure on him 7) HomerunBat ---- idk. doublenubs. null read 8) Risen ---- probably town, i dont think scum would have jumped into that exact shit flinging fest like he did for such a little reason as to counter igrok's plan; seems more like something an excited townie would do. IMO if scum are trying to jumble up the thread they would do it either by getting emotional or by trying to incite someone else, but not just by getting into a setup discussion. I could be wrong though. So ranking from towniest to least town: 1) Mister Saturn 2) kingdedede 3) Risen 4) HomerunBat 5) grush57 6) Cephiro 7) talismania 8) Igrok | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On April 15 2014 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Coaches are different. Ask BH, good coaches don't even have a clue what's going on in the game. They don't tell how to play a particular game and what to do in that game, they tell how to play mafia and how to find scum / trick town. It's true, I don't need to read a thread to be a top tier coach. I haven't been following this discussion very carefully so this is not an endorsement of either side. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
On April 15 2014 13:56 Blazinghand wrote: It's true, I don't need to read a thread to be a top tier coach. I haven't been following this discussion very carefully so this is not an endorsement of either side. bh so meta | ||
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