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Rad
United States935 Posts
On October 29 2012 04:40 Rad wrote: I think I remember inig claiming he'd be more active starting monday. I can't find him saying this, but I feel like I remember him saying in 2-3 days he'd be more active, which at the time put him as active sunday or monday. Still searching... | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
That part I don't know.....it's WIFOM. If both were scum 1) Would scum put pressure on their partner? Djo ---> Inig 2) Would scum back out of that pressure when their partner started getting votes? Djo uv Inig. Votes Dau0d If only one was scum Djo (if scum) frames Inig (if town). Then backs off to avoid attention when the case gains momentum? Djo (if town) attacks Inig (if scum). Backs off his vote because he actually believes Inig is town Scum could do that or they couldn't, we simply don't know. Also, notice how Djo did focus on sylver alot also. It wasn't only Inig (it was a majority though) The part that I do know is that both have and do look individually scummy, which imo, is the most important thing. It's a pretty damn good bet that one of them is scum | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
have looked and do look individually scummy. I sux at english | ||
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Alsn
Sweden995 Posts
I'll take another hard look at Djod and Inig tomorrow but I'm definitely in favour of lynching Dandel right now. I'm heading off to bed as I need to be up early tomorrow. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
If your vote is not properly formatted it will not be counted. Everyone is required to vote. Djodref (2) - Dandel Ion, Mr Cheesecake Dandel Ion (2) - Alsn, debears nackhtjogger (1) - Djodref Not Voting (4) - Rad, nackhtjogger, Inigmaticalism, Roco69 Currently, Djodref is set to be lynched! If you see that your vote is incorrect then pm me. You have about 24 hours 30 minutes left to vote! Deadline is at 00:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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Inigmaticalism
United States103 Posts
On October 28 2012 23:18 Alsn wrote: Resorting to name calling are we? "Openly disagree with your whole post", seriously? You expect me to let you off the hook by saying I'm stupid and terrible without even pointing out why my post is terrible? I love it how you try and discredit me purely on the basis that you think I'm bad. In fact, you are doing the exact same thing almost the entire thread criticised Djod for doing(with good reason I might add). This only reinforces my case against you, two people have called you out so far, first Inig, then me. Both times you've reacted with "Y U SO TERRIBAD?!?!". I expect better than that if you want me to consider you anything but almost confirmed scum. ##Vote: Dandel Ion And btw, you call me scum and everything after my case against you, but as far as I can tell have not followed through on it. Come out and say why you think I am still scum (and at least try to bring something original, dont just repeat everyone elses current arguments) or why you have changed your mind. Djo As I said I found Cheeses case against Djo promising, and I found Djo's contradiction about cheeses vote the best piece of evidence there could be. Like really, why would Djo jump all over Cheese of all people when he himself was so wishy-washy about choosing between myself and da0ud (not reposting all that cause multiple people have already.) And im glad debears also finds this such a profound piece of evidence. Djo without a doubt cares about this game more-so than most anyone else. Also, kush more than once called Djo scum, although I wish he had actually gotten around to posting the case he said he wanted to. Djo's playstyle also has not changed. He is still defending a lot and then asking a question or 2 at the end of nearly every post. Not sure what to make of that, I dont know anyones meta. -To have these opinions I must explain Dandels pressure on Djo. Scum bussing scum? seems very unlikely, seeing how badly its gone. But it hurts when Dandel wont follow through with much. It makes the dandel scum djo SK theory much more powerful in any case, because they wouldnt know each others roles. The only way right now I see Djo getting of the hook is by claiming, and if Rads claim is true that would mean a 4th blue role, which seems very unlikely. I want Dandel and Djo dead in any case. -The reason I am voting dandel at the moment and not Djo is because of his vote switch day 1 of all things. I agree with the theory he didnt care who actually got killed. But since I know I am town, I dont know why a mafia djo would decided to change his vote from me to someone else he knew was innocent? Sticking to someone would seem a better way to at the very least 'blend in' (as ive been told Im so good at doing) rather than be whimsical and flail around drawing attention. | ||
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Inigmaticalism
United States103 Posts
On October 26 2012 07:42 Inigmaticalism wrote: To be straight up, this first day/night cycle Im not going to contribute that much. I thought I had much more time when I signed up and then RL got stupid busy out of nowhere. My time will free up much more starting around Sunday-Monday, and then Ill be able to give the amount of time Ive wanted to give. Here is my own quote for you guys discussing when I will contribute more. To be more specific, I have a big o' assignment due by tonight, so once its done I am fairly free for a few days and I want to find some original scum-hunting material regardless of what we already have, and (hopefully if I find some stuff) present it tomorrow b4 lynch. I feel like a lot of the time people dont look beyond the current vote. @Rad's = Vigi Eh seems legit to me. It feels much more authentic now than if he, say, claimed on Day 3 or later when there's not as much time to watch him for it. If its a mafia move its brilliantly risky because its given 'proof' about our main NKs theory and...something else.......I cant remember. Maybe something about how getting us to believe our own theories which could be dangerous if they arent true, but right now I cant think of why that would be. If anyone wants to explore this thought please do so. But I really like how Rad's claim fits with his past actions, like this one: On October 29 2012 01:38 Rad wrote: @Djo I didn't leave anything specific, like "I'm vigi" hidden in some text or something, sorry. Please take note at how bad I wanted kush's "lie" to be determined though. Inig pointed it out: I was pushing it hard, because in Ace's vigi/cop guide, his top priority is to SHOOT LIARS. All I had was dandel to help me with my decision. You can see I wanted him to confirm that he thought kush was a liar. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
@ debears I have to go to work so I have no time to address your case against me. I saw that you did some research in my previous game filters and you seem to have actually read my all filter. It's a pity that you are looking in the wrong direction but I'm the one to blame. Anyways, it makes you even more town for me. @ nackht I'm still waiting for some input. The more I wait the more I expect from you when you come back. @ Ini I have nothing to claim. And Kush went back to a null read on me just before he died, that's why he didn't write the case. If you think that I am SK, please come at me with some evidence showing that I am SK. But I don't think you should be spending your time on this (if you are town) because we don't know yet if there is a SK. @ Alsn At the time I wrote my case against Ini, he was the scummiest among us in my eyes. I have reconsidered this after he answered my case and backed off of him because of this. Now I have a newbie town read on him. A big towntell in my eyes is how he reacted to my "scumslip" post attack against kush. He was the only one to consider it seriously because he is town, or at least he faked it very well while discussing about it. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
It's very unlikely for mafia to fake claim vig. Mafia knows that they didn't kill kush but they somebody else killed him, i.e. vig or SK. Vig case If they fake claim, the vig could counter claim and then town is sure that one of the two is mafia. You are not even sure that the real vig is going to get lynched first. Very bad idea... SK case You are risking a fake counter claim by the SK as well. The SK can choose not taking the risk but anyway he knows for sure that Rad is lying about the kill. The mafia doesn't want to reveal to the SK at all. | ||
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Inigmaticalism
United States103 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
It's true that I didn't consider the fact that Kush could have been killed by the mafia and that I have found a possible reason for the mafia to have targeted sylverfire quite fast. It was obvious for me that mafia would never had killed Kush because of my experience of the last game. Correct me if I'm wrong but Kush is never NKed by the mafia when he rolls town. Anyway, I should have looked like I had some extra information about the night kills. So, from a mafia point of view, I really should be looking like a SK. I find it very strange that dandel didn't wait that long for a vig to claim. Getting a SK lynched is good for the image I guess so he comes at me very fast with a weird meta argument to support the fact that could be SK. [u]To sum up[u] Scum dandel knows that I'm not going to flip scum. Reacting to an apparent extra information about the NKs from my side, he comes at me very fast saying that I'm SK (not waiting for a claim, backing it up with poor arguments). He doesn't have the time to go through 18 pages of Thrawn's filter. Seriously, it makes so much sense ! Town dandel would have reacted slower to an apparent extra information about the NKs from my side. It doesn't tell if I'm scum or SK (please check Cheese reaction to see the difference). His reaction could have been possible but it makes less sense. ##Unvote ##Vote Dandel | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
"I found Djo's contradiction about cheeses vote the best piece of evidence there could be" This statment implies that you believe djos scum case is stronger than dandels, yet you vote for dandel Are you voting dandel because you find him scummier than djo or because his case is the only case you have made? Also, your "lynch him before djo bc djo might be sk" idea is invalid. There is no way there is a sk unless its rad. I don't like how you suddenly come from out of nowhere and instantly drop your vote on someone. You arent here for a whole day and automatically know someone is scum when all of us are having difficulty knowing so surely? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
It doesn't change the fact that he does not back up with a consistent case his "strong read" for me being SK. Moreover, if you take the time to think about it, in a 5vs3vs1 situation, it's better for town not to lynch the SK. On the opposite, mafia would be eager to get rid of him. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
What's your view on what's going on? For our "confirmed" vig we need more help from you | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
We might still have a SK. SK doesn't use automatically his KP all nights. | ||
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Inigmaticalism
United States103 Posts
On October 29 2012 10:35 debears wrote: @inig "I found Djo's contradiction about cheeses vote the best piece of evidence there could be for Djo being mafia/SK." This statment implies that you believe djos scum case is stronger than dandels, yet you vote for dandel Are you voting dandel because you find him scummier than djo or because his case is the only case you have made? Implied meaning added in bold. Dont be so particular. And I have already said why Im voting dandel over Djo. Also, your "lynch him before djo bc djo might be sk" idea is invalid. There is no way there is a sk unless its rad. Why in the world is there no way there is a vigi and a sk in the same game? Where did it ever say that? I don't like how you suddenly come from out of nowhere and instantly drop your vote on someone. You arent here for a whole day and automatically know someone is scum when all of us are having difficulty knowing so surely? Frankly my confidence is almost gone. All my reads have been point-blank wrong so far. I am sticking with my current opinions in the hopes that I cant be completely wrong about everything, and because others find merit in them. Alsn also found dandel scummy. Mr. Cheesecake's point about djos contradiction also found logical ground with you debears. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Let's have a look at the progression of dandel's read on me. During N1 On October 28 2012 04:57 Dandel Ion wrote: I have scumreads on you and Inig. You being my top scumread. A little weaker scumread on Djo. Are you even paying attention? 11 hours after beginning of D2 On October 28 2012 20:03 Dandel Ion wrote: /snip I just want you to admit shooting either of them. You could still be scum, but the read I'm getting from you really strongly is SK. /snip Conclusion: Djo is either SK, or scum. Both are reasons to lynch him, to me. ##Vote Djodref That said, does anybody even care about this game anymore?... and then again On October 28 2012 21:45 Dandel Ion wrote: SK is also more likely in my mind because nobody really defends you, except really soft defenses. You look more "alone" than a scum would, in my opinion. That, or your scumbuddies are lurking, which would also explain it. /snip So he goes from a light scumread on me to a very strong SK read. His reasons for me being SK are poor, and I think he was convinced like this because he has extra information. Anyway, he is convinced that I'm SK, which is false by the way. He has to assume that we are in a 5vs3vs1 situation and he still wants to lynch me after that. I don't think that any town player would like the lynch a SK in that situation. This is the most incriminating part against him in my eyes and this one is valid regardless of my alignment. If he is really town and he assumes that the current state is 5vs3vs1, he would never push for a SK lynch. He should go instead for his second strongest scumread after Kush, which is Ini and not me.. | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
On October 29 2012 10:39 debears wrote: @rad What's your view on what's going on? For our "confirmed" vig we need more help from you I'm sorry, I'm trying to figure out how I can be of most help now. I feel like I've been asking the wrong questions and thinking the wrong things in the past due to my terrible read on kush and am trying to figure out how I should be approaching this. I've been keeping up on updates all day but have been very quiet because I have nothing of quality to say right now. I will go over my thoughts though. I'm currently leaning towards djo for scum. I've felt like he's scum since the beginning and have always made that clear. I don't feel much differently now. He's also really pushing the idea of "there might be an SK still" really hard. I can't really figure out why he'd do that so I don't know how to read it. At the same time, he's already said he doesn't think it's that likely: On October 29 2012 02:05 Djodref wrote: @ Rad I wouldn't say that it is impossible but I don't believe it all personally. We might still have a SK because town is stacked with blue roles in this game but I doubt it given the precedent difficult experience of the host as a SK during a newbie. You should ask the host what happens to your bullet in such cases. How many bullets do you have now ? So, I really don't understand why he's even bringing it up anymore, but again, don't know what that says. If there is an SK, what can we possibly do about it right now? Would lynching an SK even help at this point? We have to lynch a scum or we're screwed, right? I'm a bit worried that there's no one coming to djo's defense. Everyone suspects him (except the lurkers who we don't have opinions from). It reminds me of da0ud and kush and makes me second guess my thoughts. I'm extremely concerned about nackht and need to see a lot out of him before next lynch but I don't think we will. If we decide to lynch him, I think we need to pay reeeeally close attention to how it goes down, and then be ready to throw down a switch if it seems too suspicious. If he's town, it might be easy for scum to make a case on him since he's so absent. I think we can ignore any and all discussion about roco for now. There's nothing to go on except that he's a lurker. He'll be modkilled after next lynch if a replacement can't be found. If he's replaced, we can go from there. I want to see dandel come in with a cooler head and smarter replies. I'm not sold on him being scum yet. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Conclusion, dandel is scum | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
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