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Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
November 02 2012 05:05 GMT
#1901
On November 02 2012 10:05 debears wrote:
SDM
10-31-2012
07:50 AM ET (US)
Debears has been saying a lot of weird shit. His meta reads, his town read on Dandel, his analysis of the d1 voting, his rants about confidence etc. Question is if town Debears would say so much craziness. I don't necessarily think bad reasoning signifies scum. It's particularly easy for us to call him bad because we've already been given Dandel and figured out Cake, what's going on in the thread is a different world.

That said, him not being at all suspicious of Dandel's claim or Cake's non-committal posts is scummy. I wouldn't expect this out of town Debears. Now he's announced he's going to make a case on Cake in 12 hours. Perhaps because he doesn't want anyone to steal his thunder, if he's gonna bus of course he wants some town cred. It's not scummy, but pretty null. If Debears is scum I'd expect him to bus someone at this point, since both Cake and Dandel are in danger.

One thing which makes me less sure Debears is scum: Would scum Debears really jump to Dandel's immediate defense? As scum it's really hard to predict how town will react to that claim. Debears commented on the claim immediately. Putting yourself out there by saying it makes a lot of sense is not something I'd expect from scum. Jogger on the other hand completely avoided it.


Why did everyone in the qt think I'm that bad at town :/


Isn't it the opposite? I think you're good as town, thus you playing bad this game (if town) makes it more likely you're scum.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 02 2012 05:43 GMT
#1902
Debears was the obvious key to this scum team for me. His meta didn't match his town meta at all and the changes were all scum oriented.

With that knowledge it wasn't too hard to get the rest (though I kept wavering between Mr CC and Roco) I hate lurking townies.
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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 02 2012 13:38 GMT
#1903
@sdm

Yeah as i got further in the obs qt i noticed ppl saying "he's not this dumb as town"

@prom

Although it was not too much like my town meta, i am considering trying to become a more aggressive player over all. I definitely need work on it though

Tnx guys for the input
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 02 2012 13:55 GMT
#1904
On November 02 2012 22:38 debears wrote:
@sdm

Yeah as i got further in the obs qt i noticed ppl saying "he's not this dumb as town"

@prom

Although it was not too much like my town meta, i am considering trying to become a more aggressive player over all. I definitely need work on it though

Tnx guys for the input


This is the problem with having a scum agenda and being active/aggressive/town leadery. At some point you need to push your side's agenda, and that's when it becomes difficult - that's where the comments in the QT came from about "debears is better than this as town" or "debears is acting really weirdly if he's town". It's not easy to be active and still look good while doing what needs to be done for your team. Take it from me ^^
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Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 15:17:00
November 02 2012 15:15 GMT
#1905
Wow, I just realised that in my notes from D2 when I was trying to gather my thoughts I had me, Rad and Djod as town or townish, dandel as null, cheese Inig and nackh as scummy but I had completely forgot to even add debears to the notes. : ((((

(this was from before I made my case on Dandel)

No wonder it took me as long as it did to find him suspicious.
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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
November 02 2012 16:07 GMT
#1906
Yeah Alsn

People were largely ignoring any of my posts d2

Literally only cheese actually addressed points in my cases. It was kinda nice
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
November 02 2012 17:22 GMT
#1907
I don't have much feedback on the game, as the majority of my feedback was for scum and was in the QT at the appropriate time.

For the town: less sheeping, more skepticism. Require a more comprehensive breadcrumb from claims if you're going to believe them, scum don't like crumbs, and if they fake a bunch of crumbs, they want them to be really remote so they don't get found accidentally.

Don't expect visibility automatically, but something with more than a handful of letters.

Nakht could be ok if he could convince people, his reads are decent, but he was completely useless at explaining himself. It doesn't matter how right your reads are if you can't make it clear to other people.

Town mostly just bought whatever scum was selling at any given point. Obviously, if it worked, it worked, but some of it I have literally no idea how they survived saying. Especially the fakeclaim.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-03 15:56:32
November 03 2012 15:56 GMT
#1908
again....
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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