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Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 28 2012 16:43 GMT
#961
Guys, is there ANY chance that there's also an SK and we both targeted kush, or he targeted sylver?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 28 2012 16:44 GMT
#962
ebwop on 2) without us knowing he's sk
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 28 2012 16:45 GMT
#963
On October 29 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:
@ Cheese

Regarding the part where I'm trying to discredit you. I just find it awkward that you are listening to you top scumread when he calls you to change your vote from him to choose between two other guys you haven't been looking into.
I agree that I don't look consistent on this myself.

Anyway, I understand that you have enough reasons to believe that I am scum. It's regrettable that you are wrong so I think that's the best for both of us is to not waste too much time on this.

I'm very curious to see who is going to be your next target. Please surprise me

Could I ask you what do you think of Nackht ?


In regards to the bold: I wasn't listening to you; I chose between Da0ud and Inig because it was the logical thing to do. I didn't see your post till after the lynch, and I found it extremely awkward about your contradiction at a later time.

You keep saying you're town, and I find it very difficult to believe. I'm sticking to my guns on this case, and I'm going to do my damnest to not let you slip away.

What do I think of Nackht? "Lol" That pretty much sums up the case I can put against him.

Dandel is leaning scummy but I'm interested to hear his defense. I'm concerned about Inig at this time because of Semi-lurking / Blending and I'm going to look into him further.

But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 28 2012 16:46 GMT
#964
@ Rad

It's ok, you being vig and shooting kush makes a lot of sense. I believe you.
Don't worry about is too much, I think it is going to help us. Even as town, Kush can be pretty disruptive, especially when everyone is coming at him.
I think that mafia was planning to mislynch him today. Please notice how Kush decided to go after sylverfire after all. Maybe they switched last minute onto sylver to make kush look even worse. This or blue snipping, I don't know...
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 28 2012 16:49 GMT
#965
EBWOP: don't worry about the fact that you killed a town
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 28 2012 16:56 GMT
#966
Guys, it's 2 am here and I should go to bed.

I hope to have a lot of posts from Ini and nackhtjogger when I wake up.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 28 2012 17:00 GMT
#967
On October 29 2012 00:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2012 23:57 Djodref wrote:
On October 28 2012 23:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I have a few minutes so here are my reads:

Djo is scum or SK - I am sure of it. I have little reason to vote anyone else at this point
Dandel is leaning scummy for me; he completely avoided one of my questions:
On October 27 2012 01:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@ Dandel

What's all this stuff about you being confused and unsure? Yeah, the thread is jampacked with goodies concerning multiple participants, but that's to be expected. Don't try to play the "confused" card. It's almost as bad as the "noobie-card"

I find this especially odd since you've advocated against using the noobie card, then proceed to use the confused card which is just as bad.

Rad is leaning town for me. Although that association case between me + Kush bore no merit at all.
Debears. Hard to tell. Pretty null, especially since we haven't heard from him in a while.
Nackhtogger. He's afk.
Roco. He's afk.
Inig. He has a few walls of text that are exactly that: Walls of text. A little scumhunting here or there but I don't see a reason that I should consider town as of yet.
Alsn. I see his case on Dandel. I agree that he looks fairly scummy at this point. But I'm sticking by my Djo lynch unless someone can seriously convince me otherwise.
I'm very interested in hearing from the two lurkers, Inig, and Debears on their thoughts on everyone including myself but especially Djo/Dandel.

To get this out of the way:
##Vote: Djodref


@ Cheese

You cannot accuse me of being an SK. Don't you remember that you have used my slip in your case against me ?
I should have more information than you in this game. The SK had no access to the info that daoud was scum.

You are going back on my scumlist, Mr.Cheese. Also I found it strange that you have made no comments on my defense against your case. You sure are not open to change your mind about me.


I have you pinned as scum right now. You are anything but town. In the off chance that you aren't scum, you are the SK. The word "Maybe" was in order in my post. That being said, I read your regards on my case on you; and I'll address them at a later time (preparing for hurricane Sandy here, east coast ftl).

@Dandel

You are completely cracking under pressure right now, and walking a fine line. I suggest you stop flaming and produce something coherent. A case on your best scum read, perhaps. You aren't doing anything constructive.

My vote is for Djodref, but if you continue this scummy behavior I'd consider switching it to you. As bad as I wan't Djo lynched, recent events are showing you as very red.

I really hope lurkers show up to provide some insight.


@ Cheese

Sorry to bring this up but what does the part in bold font means exactly ?
I didn't find any "maybe" in the post where you voted me... I don't understand the expression (not native speaker) so I would appreciate it if you could enlighten me.

Are you dropping the SK charges against me ?
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 28 2012 17:04 GMT
#968
When I made that post I was 95% sure you were scum, 5% SK. With the vig claim, I'm damn near 100% sure of you being scum.

"Maybe" = perhaps, having the slight possibility of being the SK
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 28 2012 17:05 GMT
#969
On October 29 2012 01:43 Rad wrote:
Guys, is there ANY chance that there's also an SK and we both targeted kush, or he targeted sylver?


@ Rad

I wouldn't say that it is impossible but I don't believe it all personally. We might still have a SK because town is stacked with blue roles in this game but I doubt it given the precedent difficult experience of the host as a SK during a newbie.
You should ask the host what happens to your bullet in such cases. How many bullets do you have now ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 28 2012 17:07 GMT
#970
On October 29 2012 02:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
When I made that post I was 95% sure you were scum, 5% SK. With the vig claim, I'm damn near 100% sure of you being scum.

"Maybe" = perhaps, having the slight possibility of being the SK


@ Cheese

Next time use maybe when you have to use maybe.

When you write," Djo is scum or SK", I don't get a 95%-5% at all.
Rad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States935 Posts
October 28 2012 17:07 GMT
#971
@Djo

"You are never refunded a knife under any circumstances"

So with that, i have 0 bullets.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 28 2012 17:09 GMT
#972
@ Rad

Sorry I didn't read the rules for the roles...


Off to bed
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 28 2012 17:09 GMT
#973
Apologies for the discrepancy, I see how or implies 50-50. But my read on you has, and will remain, scum.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 28 2012 17:19 GMT
#974
On October 29 2012 02:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Apologies for the discrepancy, I see how or implies 50-50. But my read on you has, and will remain, scum.

/semi-joke
I hope that Rad is going to tunnel you for this post
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 28 2012 17:23 GMT
#975
On October 29 2012 02:09 Djodref wrote:
Off to bed
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 28 2012 17:27 GMT
#976
I know but this fucking game is keeping me awake. It's phone posting from my bed...
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
October 28 2012 17:43 GMT
#977
Here's my promised snippet on Inig

One thing I find odd about Inig. Some of his posts are complete walls; walls of speculation and theory that don't really contribute. Look at this post:

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 28 2012 02:48 Inigmaticalism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2012 01:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On October 28 2012 01:02 Djodref wrote:
On October 28 2012 00:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On October 28 2012 00:52 Djodref wrote:
On October 27 2012 23:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On October 27 2012 23:23 Djodref wrote:
On October 27 2012 21:52 kushm4sta wrote:
I know he's playing in the game and so am I... the game hasn't started yet though. He needed a fresh breath of pony mafia air because of the depressing shit that happened in this thread.

Djo I have not really put a lot of time into reading the thread and looking at filters, but my primary suspect just from preliminary observations is you.
I think your indecision at lynch time is a huge scumtell. It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and wanted to gain town points by opposing both lynches. If you were town, and you really thought that none of them were scum, you would have tried to push someone who you actually thought was scum. But you did nothing except ask sylver endless questions with really no point to them.


@ Kush

scumslip much ?


How is that a scumslip, Djo?


@ Kush

It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and wanted to gain town points by opposing both lynches.

You could have reproached to have known daoud's alignment. But it looks like that you know Ini's alignment.


I think I see what you mean now, but he's explaining what he believes is your thought process / motivation, not his own. I can't really claim that to be a scumslip.


@ Cheese

townie post: it seems like you knew that both of them would flip town and blabla
scumslip post: It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and blabla

But I would agree that it is not a big scumtelll.


@Everyone

What are your thoughts on this "scumtell". I really can't see it being one.


To me (and from what I have actually read) this seems to be the biggest scum-slip so far in the game (regardless of whether it is or isnt). I think this because we do not know anyone's alignments, especially day 1, and kush assumes the case that djo knows I am town, and by doing so indirectly himself as well. And I just got done typing a wifom kind of argument that I love making so much so I deleted it. Granted I find it a bigger slip simply because I know I am town. I have already said how I thought that kush obviously knows what he was doing, and saying something like this from this type of player does not feel like an oversight, and despite me claiming and them having town reads on me you still wouldnt know for certain. This combined with these other cases being brought against him I feel all hold at least a little weight and have me feeling utterly wary of kush, especially his arrogant 'yeah, funny/dumb cases' as his defense. I would like more defenses with less mocking/anger in them, but if that if your playstyle so be it.

-Also kush telling of debears talking in other threads and PMs and whatnot up-front seems to discredit debears and give kush credibility by being the 'good guy' and bringing info to the thread. It could be used in a case against debears, for example, but kush just puts it out there. I think the motive seems more about gaining more power and discrediting debears rather than really trying to inform the thread. I think town has very little to gain by knowing this knowledge because it can be taken out of context and any number of ways, and kiush should have just pmed host and be done with it.

Now, it could have been a 'what if' or a 'next-step' mindset. Granted some reasons why kush could have had the mindset to say he knows and says djo knows Im town: Ive claimed, kush had town reads on me, djo had changed to more town reads on me, so the setting assumed I was town. The problem I have with calling it a true scum-slip is that kush is in the best position to get lynched because of the mislynch on da0ud, making arguments easier and seemingly hold more power. Added to the fact that my own scum-read wants to off kush now has me mimicking djos feelings on kush (see above post). I need moooooore from kush to solve this, and before I would vote for him.

@Djo
The longer time goes on, you are slowly losing town credibility with me. Your contribution is high, and frankly this is becoming your game because your posting like a 1/3+ of the posts lol (and have a 10 page filter). For simply this reason I want you still alive because you are so active. Ive liked your recent contributions though, so I just want more solid content from you, rather than being so all over the place. Thats the other thing. Because you are so 'everywhere' but havent ever had really strong opinions on things (besides me for most of day1) it makes your 'unsure trying to be safe townie' look change to a 'careful mafia' look the longer time goes on. Ignore the pokes at you that lack real substance and give us more cases to discuss rather than your play. Your case against me was good, it got me to shape up and post better. And I like this discussion between cheese if it will get deeper.

@Mr cheese.
Kinda the same read I have with djo. The longer time goes on the more it seems like you are being super neutral/safe. Nothing you post has an edge to it, which while it is a quality I admire, it makes it difficult to really confirm anything with you, which leads to greater suspicions. The only real scum-hunting cases you have had are against da0ud and djo. I thought your arguments against da0ud were good because they were true, da0ud was acting scummy. So dont feel bad about it, keep going on the case with djo and see it you can get anything new. I would really like more so I can solidify my ideas about djo.


I honestly find it difficult to comprehend everything he's saying in the first three paragraphs. It's a lot of speculation and "I think's" that don't reveal anything. He's not being strong in his wording. (I.E He is doing this, this is what's happening).The wall of text sure looks like he's contributing... The two @'s on the bottom reveal that he's null/town on me and null/scummy on Djo. Nothing really strong of opinion.

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 28 2012 08:22 Inigmaticalism wrote:
@Rad
As I said I am utterly wary about kush. And I already posted about him posting about debears pm and about his town knowledge assumption. Here is what I learned reading kush's filter. Until the most recent posts where he has given short descriptions on multiple people, kush has been clear and focused. Case on da0ud, nothing else, takes a stance on me and consistently, in his own words "soft defends" me. And since then has appeared fairly helpful but has mostly been defending himself.
This is interesting though. Day1 he explains he does not want to lynch Djo, even though he thinks he looks scummy, giving room to see what he will do (and prods Djo to do so). After Djo appears wishy-washy in the lynch Djo becomes kush's next top scum read. Logical follow-through. And then this
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2012 01:13 kushm4sta wrote:

djo is scum btw guys


and then another post right after

Show nested quote +
On October 28 2012 02:32 kushm4sta wrote:
Djo is
#1 acting like my lynch is a certainty when it's definitely not. I have a lot of time to show you guys I am town and I will.
#2 Covering his ass if I get mislynched. Yet again.

I already told you I will make the case on you at the end of n1. You can defend yourself d2.

And you are telling vig to shoot me?? Seriously?? Because I pushed a mislynch d1.. lol that happens almost every game. And it was way better than you who was just liek damn guys I dont know who to lynch TT

On October 28 2012 01:43 Djodref wrote:
Also if anyone has some questions regarding my case, it might be a good time to discuss about it now
So if you have some points against me that you feel that I didn't correctly addressed,
I have a feeling that you guys are considering defense as important as scumhunting so I'm willing to defend myself as much as I can now.

@ Kush

I'm not totally sold on you being scum right now: there is still a possibility for you to be town in my opinion.

@ everyone
I would recommend everyone to be wary because it could be very easy for mafia to mislynch Kush right now if he is town. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

I was mafia in my last game and we benefited from the greatest mislynch ever on D2 because nobody took the time to think about the lynch twice.



So once again focused. He says he will bring a case against Djo tonight, and I am interested in reading it combined with Mr CCs promised case. I thought kush was just throwing Djo out there but then found this last post I quoted.
Conclusion: Kush is a strange new piece of food that Ive never tired before, and Im keeping it at arms length because I dont know if its poisonous or not. The only way to find out is to ask questions, but it seems kush it getting enough heat so Ill only join in if I find anything (besides what I have found) useful. It seems to me that if nothing drastic changes (day post doesnt change much, not really any new cases) kush will be lynched tomorrow based on the overall opinions in the thread. It is my goal for Day 2 to find at least 1 good scum case because I dont think a kush lynch is optimal right now because I feel I do not know enough, and frankly the recent cases against him arent very strong.
spcifically @Rad: if you can explain what we could possibly gain from knowing kush was lying about not recognizing debears I would become more interested in the answer. Kush did pretty much talk to debears most on Day 1 after all.


This seems more like a summary of recent events than any real input whatsoever. All he says is: "I'm wary of him [Kush], but I do not know enough".

It could just be bad town play, but these posts, in addition to a lack of scumhunting, don't seem like an actual contribution at all.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
October 28 2012 18:16 GMT
#978
Cheese I agree with your assessment that he hasn't really taken any strong positions or contributed much other than his own musings.

I'm not sure of what to make of his argument towards kush if I am to believe he is a "ba townie". He does take a pretty firm stance to argue that kush "makes sense" at times, but then uses that single "djo is scum btw guys" oneliner from kush to somehow justify himself not trusting kush? From where I'm standing, other than his conclusion he was painting a vivid picture of kush acting very pro-town yet for some reason concludes that he's null/uncertain towards kush. This definitely agrees with my hunch that scum wanted to lynch kush today. Writing all the good things about him might then be signs of Inig having knowledge about kush's alignment leaving himself an option to say later on in the game "Look guys, I wasn't all that convinced kush was scum in the first place!".

I'm thinking if Inig was truly town he shouldn't have been able to come to that conclusion based on so little "scummy evidence". That being said, he did say he wanted to try and find a different lynch target for today. Seeing as kush is dead and we can't possibly lynch him, I'm waiting with great interest to see who exactly Inig would prefer to lynch.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
October 28 2012 18:18 GMT
#979
Wait, I think I misunderstood Inig's argument in that second post. I may need to retract my post just now. Hold on.
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
Alsn
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden995 Posts
October 28 2012 18:22 GMT
#980
Yea sorry I misread that second post entirely, I interpreted the "and then this" as Inig using that first short line and that line only as some sort of massive scum tell which would counter-balance his argument that kush was clear and focused and made sense. I see now that that's not at all what that line was about and I think his conclusion is probably then just based on his prior suspicions. Sorry for jumping the gun. :/
Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!
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