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But you're right, what I'm doing is pointless.
I might be back tomorrow or something, Alan and Djo, have fun riding each other's manhood in the meanwhile.
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EBWOP: A serial killer would have had no access to the info that daoud was town. my bad...
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On October 28 2012 23:53 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yes, Master Djo.
The world revolves around you.
Well, in this game, it actually might. Considering that nobody else is playing.
Yeah, I know, this game is pretty lame...
What do you think about a Nackht lynch ?
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Alright. Finally caught back up. Shit is going down in this thread. I'll comment on the current goings on in a minute
@Rad
On October 28 2012 08:02 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 07:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yah.
They way they all cuddled up to each other in the postgame and stuff, it makes it really hard to believe for me. Ahh yeah, I see. @Kush, why wouldn't debears make a good coach?
What was up with these attacks on kush? Kush looked scummy. However, you attacked him for pregame comments for no reason.
@Alsn
I'll look in depth at your case after this
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@Dandel
Flame fest is anti-town. If you think Alsn's case isn't good, actually argue against his points. Otherwise, your actions so far imply that you think you are guilty and you can't refute his case.
##Vote Dandel
This vote is staying put unless you explain yourself and the case of Alsn and do some scumhunting
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On October 28 2012 23:57 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 23:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:I have a few minutes so here are my reads: Djo is scum or SK - I am sure of it. I have little reason to vote anyone else at this pointDandel is leaning scummy for me; he completely avoided one of my questions: On October 27 2012 01:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@ Dandel
What's all this stuff about you being confused and unsure? Yeah, the thread is jampacked with goodies concerning multiple participants, but that's to be expected. Don't try to play the "confused" card. It's almost as bad as the "noobie-card"
I find this especially odd since you've advocated against using the noobie card, then proceed to use the confused card which is just as bad. Rad is leaning town for me. Although that association case between me + Kush bore no merit at all. Debears. Hard to tell. Pretty null, especially since we haven't heard from him in a while. Nackhtogger. He's afk. Roco. He's afk. Inig. He has a few walls of text that are exactly that: Walls of text. A little scumhunting here or there but I don't see a reason that I should consider town as of yet. Alsn. I see his case on Dandel. I agree that he looks fairly scummy at this point. But I'm sticking by my Djo lynch unless someone can seriously convince me otherwise. I'm very interested in hearing from the two lurkers, Inig, and Debears on their thoughts on everyone including myself but especially Djo/Dandel. To get this out of the way: ##Vote: Djodref @ CheeseYou cannot accuse me of being an SK. Don't you remember that you have used my slip in your case against me ? I should have more information than you in this game. The SK had no access to the info that daoud was scum. You are going back on my scumlist, Mr.Cheese. Also I found it strange that you have made no comments on my defense against your case. You sure are not open to change your mind about me.
I have you pinned as scum right now. You are anything but town. In the off chance that you aren't scum, you are the SK. The word "Maybe" was in order in my post. That being said, I read your regards on my case on you; and I'll address them at a later time (preparing for hurricane Sandy here, east coast ftl).
@Dandel
You are completely cracking under pressure right now, and walking a fine line. I suggest you stop flaming and produce something coherent. A case on your best scum read, perhaps. You aren't doing anything constructive.
My vote is for Djodref, but if you continue this scummy behavior I'd consider switching it to you. As bad as I wan't Djo lynched, recent events are showing you as very red.
I really hope lurkers show up to provide some insight.
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On October 28 2012 10:15 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 08:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:MY OPINION ON DJODREF
A compilation of quotes, and reasons why I believe he is guilty By: Mr. Cheesecake _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ The Scumslip+ Show Spoiler +On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 18:09 da0ud wrote:On October 25 2012 17:52 Djodref wrote:
I'm insisting on this because it was not my mentality at all at the beginning of NMMXVIII, you case see this in my quotes in debear previous posts. I want the "scared" newbies (like daoud) to boost their confidence and go scumhunt. I am not scared anymore... And I will hunt you down this time if I have to  daoudGood ! I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town What's your take on the Rad-debears argument by the way? Here is the infamous scumslip by Djo, he refers to Da0ud explicitly as town (who we now know IS town). There is little to say here: How does Djo know Da0ud is town? He doesn't even have a reason to think he's town. He even votes for Da0ud which I will address later. Furthermore, Djo provides us with the weakest defense for a scumslip ever: On October 25 2012 18:40 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 18:30 da0ud wrote:
EBWOP : How would you already know I am town ? I don't know already if you are town or not. I've spoken too fast because I was thinking of our last game where you were town. It was a slip, but not a scumslip Regarding Roco, I understand your hunch but he reminds me your first weird posts last game. He is suspicious but he doesn't deserve red bold font yet imo ^^ All he says is "Not a scumslip, please move along" and plays it off like no big deal with a characteristic smiley and ^^. This explanation is nowhere near adequate enough to address the issue.
Also I would like you to check my filter of my last game where I was mafia and find a slip in my filter. There is none because I have really paid attention to what I post. It's not the case in this game.“Are you Mafia?" Question+ Show Spoiler +On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 17:57 Roco69 wrote:
@djodref
To keep it simple, "lurker policy on D1" seems to be a well known and basic strategy so I will do the exact opposite,=>so I will never be suspected.
@RocoI have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ? Are you mafia ? I first picked up on this in my original FoS post. Why would you ask someone explicitly if they are mafia? What is even the PURPOSE of this? Is he attempting to arouse suspicion for Roco? On October 26 2012 01:12 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 01:00 sylverfyre wrote:
And Djo, you claim "no i asked him two questions" when both questions are basically the same.
debears case against Rad is developing interestingly, but Rad has a point - why are you trying so hard to save the lurkers? @sylverI'm sorry but not wanting to look suspicious is totally natural from a townie, especially from a total newbie. Adding the second question was only to make him uncomfortable if he was mafia. How on God's green Earth would asking someone if they are mafia make them uncomfortable? All a scum player would need to rebuke it is: No. There is zero town motivation for asking someone if they are mafia.
Anyway, I wanted to pressure him, it was also sarcastic. Being called mafia in plain sight makes you feel uncomfortable regardless of how easy you can brush it off.His Questions about Inig+ Show Spoiler +It is obvious from the very beginning that Djo is suspicious of Ini. He asks everyone about what they think of him. Firstly: Why would Djo care what anyone else thinks? If his scum read were strong enough, he'd have the confidence (there's that word again...) to make a case without input from a third party. Secondly: He sometimes asks these questions in context of something else, as if to brush off some accusation against him. On October 25 2012 18:51 Djodref wrote:
@daoud
What do you think about Ini ? On October 25 2012 23:21 Djodref wrote:
@debears
If you are around, I would like to know what do you think about Inig first posts. On October 26 2012 01:21 Djodref wrote:
I don't think that debears is advocating chaos. In my point of view, he is certainly promoting discussion. We could as well being still discussing policy lynches if he wasn't here. And please remind that it's quite easy for mafia to avoid a policy lynch.
By the way, do you believe that we can lynch a scum on D1 ?
What do you think of Inig ? He throws out two questions, one of them being about inig. What does Inig have anything to do with the discussion at hand? The only reason I can see for it is an attempt to derail the thread into something about Inig. On October 26 2012 08:25 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 02:40 Alsn wrote:
My reasons for thinking Djodref is slightly scummy so far is that he is asking a lot of questions. That in itself isn't particularly scummy(in fact, done right it's pro-town as it pressures people into sharing their opinions and such).
The problem I have with it so far is that you keep asking people to answer you, yet your own statements so far amount to picking on the people who are being lurky(Ini, Roco) while at the same time criticising Rad for supporting lurker policy lynch?! This makes no sense to me. This in combination with the slip leads me to believe that you are trying to make yourself look good by being active. I can definitely see the possibility of there being town motivations for your actions so far, but I'd just like to point out that I have my eye on you.
So, with that in mind, FoS Djodref.
I'll see if I can't take a look at some of the other things said so far before I go to bed but if not, I'll do it first thing tomorrow as I will have a lot more time then. @AlsnI would expect more from you than an half-assed FoS on me 
What do you think about Inig ? He completely brushes off the FoS from Alsn and asks about Inig instead. On October 26 2012 10:15 Djodref wrote:
Honestly, I don't really care if Alsn has a FoS on me if it is for the reasons he has stated in his post. I know he is totally able to come at me with something more consistent if he really thinks I'm scum. Right now, I think his reasons are poor and I'm more interested in his opinion about Ini. AGAIN, brushing off the FoS from Alsn, in favor of pursing interests of Ini. These questions are nothing more than attempts to deflect discussion, away from him or otherwise, onto something else. On October 26 2012 01:31 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 01:24 debears wrote:On October 26 2012 01:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
@debears
You've used the word confidence an excessive amount of times. When someone mentioned day 1 policy lynches you immediately dismissed the idea. In fact, whenever anyone suggested something you turned it down, pushing your idea of "if you have a read, push it hard"
Policy lynching on day 1 exists for a reason. Lurkers hurt the town, whether they are mafia or town. If no one takes action mafia will win. Town needs to be organized and decisive, yet you are suggesting to basically follow your gut and push hard.
You follow that up by voting for Rad WAAAAAAY too early in the day.
You are advocating chaos.
If something is fishy, or a comment seems off, make a read or ask a question about it, but big bold statements like "be confident guys!!!" don't actually mean anything.
##FoS debears Do you see the contradiction in that statment clarity/ You want town to be decisive, yet when I am (by pursuing a scumread) you FOS me for it? Are you reading the damn thread? The confidence thing isn't my only contribution. Figure it out Ugh Djo Y u answering questions addressed to me??? I'm still feeling bad for tunneling until death last game I even didn't have the balls to state that I had changed my mind about you at the end. As I feel some townie vibes from you in this game, I thought I could at least defend you this one time. debears <3 This is an outright appeal to emotion. He's feeling bad about last game, sure. Why bring it up? It bears no significance to anything in the thread other than making us feel bad for him. He even gives Debears a <3... really? On October 27 2012 08:56 Djodref wrote:
## Vote daoud
Because his involvement in this game has not been great so far... Please note that this is the entire vote post. This is 100% completely contradictory to everything Djo has previously said / advocated about Inig. He had a case on Inig, he was always asking those questions about him. Inig was, apparently, his biggest scum read. Why the sudden 180 degree turn and vote for Da0ud? It makes no sense whatsoever, and his explanation for dropping the vote was "I'm really starting to doubt myself about Inig's case..." and his reason for voting Da0ud is: "his involvement hasn't been great." Hardly enough to justify a revote.
Regarding daoud, I did not want to lynch him. My vote on daoud was just to avoid a modkill...+ Show Spoiler +On October 27 2012 08:00 Djodref wrote:
@ Cheese
What the fuck are you doing with your vote still on my back ?
Come in the thread and choose who you want to lynch today between daoud and Ini. Tell us your reasons about it ! Here he advocates that I choose a side on the Da0ud-Inig debate, which I eventually did once I returned. Also: why is he so paranoid about my vote on him? On October 27 2012 17:53 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 08:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Okay I just got back, and will be here pre and post lynch.
My thoughts on the current state of affairs. It seems the lynch is in favor of Inig, but Da0ud following close behind. My vote on Djo is obviously not doing any good. I still consider him suspicious, and he is by no means off the hook. My efforts right now are better spent deciding who is a better lynch candidate: Da0ud or Inig.
/snip
@ CheeseAt this point, were you considering that daoud and Inig were better candidate than me ? You have been suspecting me for quite a long time D1 and you suddenly prefer to lynch daoud because some replacement came in and told you he was scummy ? You alsmost didn't consider him at all until that point yet you have no problem with lynching him instead of your top scumread (which was me) ? I'm pretty surprised that you didn't try to push my lynch. This post contradicts the previous. He explicitly TOLD me to weigh in on the debate and cast my vote for one of the others. Why the heck is he calling me out for it? Is this not what he asked for from me? On October 27 2012 23:19 Djodref wrote:
As you can see, I was a little more than your best scumread. Nevertheless, you gave little to no protest about lynching daoud or ini over me. Big scumtell in my book.
And here Djo is trying to further his case about my vote of Da0ud. There is a portion after the lynch where I try to explain to him that my biggest scumread was still on him. That pursuing his case at the time would have produced nothing; that I voted for Da0ud because he looked scummier than Inig; Check either of our filters about it. (page 38ish of the thread). He seems sour that I have a scumread / FoS on him and a vote most of the day. This entire ploy to discredit me is baseless, and likely an attempt to thwart my future attempts at scum hunting him. Admittedly some of it is defense, his filter is huge and he's talking on absolutely every page. The thread doesn't need to know every thought that pops in your head. A large majority is just casual conversation without his own input on certain subjects. Is this an attempt to bury logical arguements? He's trying to post a lot to seem like he's contributing, but I find most of his questions/concerns pointless. Take the "scumtell on Kush" post. I don't think anyone in the thread thought it was a scumtell, but he made a fuss over it. Look at who Djodref has suspicions (FoS's) on. Me and Sylverfyre. I oppose him, and Sylverfyre has tunneled him hard. His best scum reads are on people that find him highly suspicious! What does this say? He's scared. He's scared and replying by digging up any dirt he can on us.
After synthesizing all of what you have posted Djo, the jig is up. You are SCUM I'm going to start my day by addressing this case. First things first, even if your case is not bad, the conclusion is wrong. I'm town so I would like you to be as objective as possible when you read my answers. Please find my defense in bold font in the spoiler.
I find your points difficult to address, mainly because it's a case of opinion versus opinion. I think it was a scumslip, you say it's not. You say asking scum if they are mafia produces pressure, I don't think so. I still think that Debears thing was an appeal to emotion; but I suppose I can see where you're coming from on that point.
I really want other people to take a look at this case and speak their minds.
My big issue comes with the section "Djo's attempt to discredit me". You play it off as scumhunting. Perhaps. But I implore everyone: Look at the first and second posts in that section
First post: "Get your vote off me, and weigh in on Da0ud or Inig!"
Second post: "Why did you switch your vote? Suspicious."
First post: "What the hell are you doing with your vote still on me?
Second post: "Wow, I'm surprised you didn't push your case on me."
Everyone, look at those two posts and tell me it isn't the scummiest / most hypocritical thing you've ever seen.
Also, you fail to address my "final note" in which your only FoS's are on people who find you suspicious / were tunneling you. One person, of whom, is now dead.
I'm still pinning you as scum.
Dandel, at this point, is looking likely.
I'm also looking into some of Inig's posts: I'm finding that he's very "blendy" in this entire thread.
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Before I get into Inig's filter, I want to take the opportunity to mention that I might lose power due to the incoming storm. If this happens, I'll obviously not be able to post for a period of time. Last hurricane we had on the east coast (Irene) I lost power for a week. I think it might be a day or two this time.
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@ Dandel
On October 28 2012 23:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@ Dandel
What's all this stuff about you being confused and unsure? Yeah, the thread is jampacked with goodies concerning multiple participants, but that's to be expected. Don't try to play the "confused" card. It's almost as bad as the "noobie-card"
I also want an answer to this question you so conveniently avoided. Why playing the confused card? I thought you were against the noobie card, which is basically the same?
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hmmm.
@Alsn
I can address the points in your case right now, but I want Dandel to defend himself first.
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Hey everyone. I just woke up and have 4 pages to go through, so I'll try to do that now.
I'm vigi. I shot kush. It came down to the very last minute before night was over, I really wasn't sure what to do and I just did it. I REALLY wanted more people there before night so I could make a more informed choice. I wanted people to confirm that my suspicions about the mr.cheese thing were good or terrible. All I had was dandel tell me he didn't really like the case, which is fine, but that's 1 person. I needed more. I expected debears to show up and yell at me if he thought it was ridiculous, but he didn't show up at all. Djo showed up minutes AFTER the end of night, even though in his filter he had been around before end of day in the past, then claimed he had just woke up (not necessarily untrue, but he had been awake in past days before then, and this seemed like an important night - for me at least, because I get to shoot or not shoot, and I'm still alive). Then kush's "lie" (which again, all I had to go on was dandel's support there) pushed me to just shoot him because I had no reason to believe him anymore. I couldn't understand what mafia motivations there might be behind him lying about debears, but the lie itself bugged the hell out of me, so that along with me just feeling he was super scummy in the first place just pushed and pushed.
I was pretty sure I was going to be killed last night. Sylver being killed made me double face palm. Like I'm doing such a terrible job that mafia didn't want to kill me, but instead, wanted to kill someone who I thought had reasonable lynching potential (basically same case as inig + lots of sheeping).
I remove my FoS on cheese. He was my top town read, and then i was like HEY WTF KUSH and FoS'd cheese based on that.
I have to step back and rethink everything. I'll come back with more thoughts on who I suspect, but honestly at this point I'm not sure that I'm all that good at it. Maybe post game I'll be able to get some insight on things and do better in the future.
I'm sorry for killing kush. I cannot believe he flipped town. I'll try to redeem myself.
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@ Rad
Do you have any breadcrumb to back you up ?
At first sight, i believed your claim. I don't think killing kush was so bad because we would have lost a lot of time mislynching him today. I'm pretty sure mafia was already pushing for a lynch on him during N1.
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That is an interesting claim indeed. Unfortunately our cop is dead, so we don't really have any way of confirming whether or not he is SK or vigi. At first glance his claim makes sense to me. It fits with the fact that I considered him somewhat town up until this point.
Also, I think we can without a doubt conclude that we now know scum killed sylver. Regardless if Rad is SK or vigi I see no reason whatsoever to lie about who he actually shot. As if he's SK now that he has claimed that he can kill someone he has to be wanting to try and come off as a vigi and a vigi would under no circumstance lie about his target.
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@ Cheese
Regarding the part where I'm trying to discredit you. I just find it awkward that you are listening to you top scumread when he calls you to change your vote from him to choose between two other guys you haven't been looking into.
I agree that I don't look consistent on this myself.
Anyway, I understand that you have enough reasons to believe that I am scum. It's regrettable that you are wrong so I think that's the best for both of us is to not waste too much time on this.
I'm very curious to see who is going to be your next target. Please surprise me
Could I ask you what do you think of Nackht ?
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@Djo I didn't leave anything specific, like "I'm vigi" hidden in some text or something, sorry. Please take note at how bad I wanted kush's "lie" to be determined though. Inig pointed it out:
On October 28 2012 08:22 Inigmaticalism wrote:
@Rad: if you can explain what we could possibly gain from knowing kush was lying about not recognizing debears I would become more interested in the answer. Kush did pretty much talk to debears most on Day 1 after all.
I was pushing it hard, because in Ace's vigi/cop guide, his top priority is to SHOOT LIARS.
Priority 0: Shoot liars. Some players still try and spin these stupid fairy tales saying that lying helps the town. They also believe Voldemort is real. Don't listen to them. Without going in depth about why lying is bad just follow this statement - SHOOT first. There are very few instances where lying benefits the town.
All I had was dandel to help me with my decision. You can see I wanted him to confirm that he thought kush was a liar.
On October 28 2012 07:49 Rad wrote:
ty dandel
I'm going to look through it a bit, not really looking for anything in particular. What do you think about kush's claim? Do you think he's lying about not realizing he was on a scumteam with debears?
On October 28 2012 07:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yah.
They way they all cuddled up to each other in the postgame and stuff, it makes it really hard to believe for me.
On October 28 2012 08:02 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 07:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yah.
They way they all cuddled up to each other in the postgame and stuff, it makes it really hard to believe for me. Ahh yeah, I see. @Kush, why wouldn't debears make a good coach?
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Yes, I agree that killing kush was probably good for the reason Djod mentions. Especially considering how you yourself is saying that you were really suspicious of him.
To be honest though, maybe it's because I wasn't able to follow the thread continuously that I didn't really feel kush was acting all that scummy, or maybe it's because I'm just used to him acting like a douche bag that I'm unable to see it in the proper context. Either way, the risk is that we would have spent the entire day arguing about him and mislynching him which would have been even worse than the situation we are in right now.
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@Rad
Your claim is interesting, and plausible. My only concern is that you could be SK claiming Vigi. However, I think your reasoning for shooting Kush makes sense considering your "double-FoS" on him.
I'm interested on what you have to say concerning my case on Djo / on Djo in general. Nobody else has given their strong thoughts on the Djodref case with the exception of himself.
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A breadcrumb would be nice Rad. Still, I'm not too worried about your claim.
1) It makes sense
2) If he is SK he cannot nk anymore
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@Mr. Cheesecake
When I'm done catching up in the thread I'll give my thoughts on djo. I wanted to make sure that I address any concerns about my claim first so we can get the facts straight and be able to move on from there. So please check back later for my thoughts on it.
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