EPTThat being said, Inig did say he wanted to try and find a different lynch target for today. Seeing as kush is dead and we can't possibly lynch him, I'm waiting with great interest to see who exactly he would prefer to lynch.
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Alsn
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And me too, I really want him to come out of hiding and tell us his opinions on recent occurrences. | ||
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debears
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debears
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debears
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A Second case on Djo Since my first case, Djo hasn't done much to help my read on him. In fact, after rereading his filter again, I'd say my scumread on him is even stronger. Points in the original case/cases 1) Stated and Acted as though he had a town read on me day 1, then denies it when pressured by Rad 2) His two scumslips (slips as he calls them) - Dau0d town comment and the slip when talking about Alsn's fOS 3) Wanting me to "Take care of Rad" day 1 The Day 1 lynch First, I want to point out his indecisiveness and apparent apathy to who he wanted lynched. Djo's first actual pursuit was Inig. He was pressing on Inig pretty well. However, when asked who he would want to lynch, he says Sylver (with his vote on Inig) On October 27 2012 00:51 Djodref wrote: @Kush Debears and Rad are looking quite ok. I'm leaning town for both of them. I'm waiting for Cheese to post what he has to say about me because I'm still null on him. I didn't like some posts from sylver but he had some nice reactions during our latest fight. I need some time to look at dandel. I didn't like the way he voted Inig, but he said he was not sure even. I would say sylver right now... But I've been spending too much time defending myself. I need to calm down and re-read some filters for a while. A couple of posts later, he unvotes and states why he doesn't want to lynch Inig suddenly. On October 27 2012 01:03 Djodref wrote: Regarding an Inig's lynch, I'm not comfortable with it... In my opinion, he had a positive response after my case against him. I doubt that he could be a scum after that. His role claim was looking really sincere. If he can improve his presence in the thread and his scumhunting, I don't want to lynch him. I'm going to unvote him. I would cast my vote on Roco or imcasey if they magically reappear. I'll wake up early tomorrow to see if the bandwagon is still against me or not. If you are town, do not sheep and cast your vote against me. Read my filter and make your own opinion by yourself. You are going to feel some heat if you cast your vote too lightly because I'm going to flip green. I'm sorry but I need some sleep guys ## Unvote That's quite the turnaround after the pressure and vote On October 27 2012 08:20 Djodref wrote: @debears No, I'm not comfortable with any of the lynches to be honest. I'm looking at their filter over and over again and try to find some little clues... Regarding Inig, I should vote him if I was only a rational machine (no scumhunting at the beginning, wishy washy on Cheese, voting imcasey unexpectedly, the slip you have found, etc...) but I feel him as sincere in his posts.a Not sure why he claimed though. Regarding daoud, I have no reasons to vote for him at the exception of his hasty vote. His only reason for not voting Inig was that Inig seemed "sincere". In fact, he said that it would be rational to lynch Inig based on his posting. That one post is a huge contradiction. Notice how during his time, he puts suspicion on Sylver. Also, notice the timing of the unvote. He unvoted when there were other people agreeing with his case. That's really weird combined with the "he's sincere" reasoning on Inig. Djo's approach on Dau0d Despite Djo's suspicions on Inig and Sylver, he ends up voting Dau0d. Why? Lets see On October 27 2012 08:56 Djodref wrote: ## Vote daoud Because his involvement in this game has not been great so far... Not the greatest reasoning. He does provide some reasoning right after though. On October 27 2012 08:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Allow me to ameliorate for you, sir. 1.) Inig was a semi lurker to begin with. As of late, he has been posting more and with greater content. Da0ud, on the other hand, has contributed much less and is still lurking. 2.) Let's look at both of their percentage town reads. Inigs: Da0ud's: Inig has more reason for considering Djo town, and puts it at 70% (leaning town). He says he's been consistent, obviously posting alot, and going after him of all people. He likes this, and even offers some counter-roles that he could be instead of mafia. Da0ud on the other hand only says "hey, he's asking questions, must be 90% (almost definitely town)" I find Da0uds reasons for thinking Djo town less plausible than Inigs, and he almost considers him town. 3.) Inig has been more distinguished in asking questions / contributing. His theory on Dandel is intriguing and unique, and something I may want to follow up on in the future. His vote of imcasey and Dandel is anything BUT blending in. Notice his reasoning. It's literally almost the same for Inig. Yet, he feels that Inig was "more distinguished in asking questions/contributing". I don't get it. Also, he didn't think Dau0d's meta was different than Dau0d's town game when he posted this earlier. On October 27 2012 00:53 Djodref wrote: Regarding daoud, I don't want to lynch him because he has reacted quite fast and naturally to my slip. Him posting some nonsense about the possibility of a SK just after totally fits his meta. He needs to post a lot more though... He flip-flopped onto Dau0d after kush's case while spreading suspicion onto 2 other plays (slyverfyre and Inig). His reasoning for moving his suspicion around was poor at the best. To me, it seems like he didn't care who got lynched Hammering CheeseCake for the Switched Vote This was posted after the lynch On October 27 2012 17:53 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese At this point, were you considering that daoud and Inig were better candidate than me ? You have been suspecting me for quite a long time D1 and you suddenly prefer to lynch daoud because some replacement came in and told you he was scummy ? You alsmost didn't consider him at all until that point yet you have no problem with lynching him instead of your top scumread (which was me) ? I'm pretty surprised that you didn't try to push my lynch. Isn't this similar to what Djo did? Yet Djo is calling him out for it? Djo had no considerations of Dau0d until the kush case was posted. On October 27 2012 23:19 Djodref wrote: "That being said, you were my best scum read at the time; but there was no chance of you being lynched." @ Cheese Here is a quote from you. As you can see, I was a little more than your best scumread. Nevertheless, you gave little to no protest about lynching daoud or ini over me. Big scumtell in my book. Have a look at debears reactions when people started to vote daoud. He was trying to push his case until the end.This commitment is a big towntell. Where was your reaction when you came back to thhe tread and realized that a lynch on me was "not possible" ? No protest, no comments about other people being stupid or whatever, not trying to push my lynch. And you proceeding to compare the percentage daoud and Ini were giving for their townread on me to decide who to lynch between the two... do you have any comments to do on this ? FoS Cheese Yet again, a FOS for hypocritical reasoning. Not only did Djo drop his top scumread for poor reasoning, he voted for Dau0d for poor reasoning. And now he's spreading suspicion on CheeseCake. This post, however, is the kicker On October 27 2012 08:00 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese What the fuck are you doing with your vote still on my back ? Come in the thread and choose who you want to lynch today between daoud and Ini. Tell us your reasons about it ! Djo told him to change his vote in the first place!!!!!!!!!! Then, he tries to accuse Cheese of scum since Cheese did it???? Wow. Meta Djo has little meta to go on with only 2 games. However, there are differences from his town game and scum game. These differences, related to this game, are not damning by any means, but do support that Djo could be scum. 1) Djo is capable of being active as scum. His filter was roughly 9 pgs as scum in Looney 2)His case format this game compared to his other games http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=372945¤tpage=58#1147 - Game as scum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=374466¤tpage=23#441 - this game Look at the shocking similarities. Now, this could be how he likes to post now, since this is only his 3rd game. However, in looking at his first newbie as cop, no posts have the same format (Correct me if I'm wrong on this Djo) 3) Personality - Djo's personality this game is similar to his other games as cop and mafia. Take out the newbie card play, and he sounds the same in all 3. Thus, his personality is a null tell, but it mean that he can be mafia A Common Fallacy I think this game has fallen into the trap of activity = town. That is not always the case. Take a long hard look at Djo's filter and this case. His filter is huge and it was a bitch to go through. Mafia can hide in a big filter. Djo is my number 2 scum read besides Dandel right now. I still need to see if Dandel even comes back (and defends himself properly + has something to contribute) before I would think of voting Djo. Let me know if you need clarification on anything. Reading Djo's filter + writing out the case = sucks | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Why is my percentage post in a case about Djodref? | ||
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debears
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On October 29 2012 03:51 debears wrote: Djo's approach on Dau0d Despite Djo's suspicions on Inig and Sylver, he ends up voting Dau0d. Why? Lets see Not the greatest reasoning. He does provide some reasoning right after though. Notice his reasoning. It's literally almost the same for Inig. Yet, he feels that Inig was "more distinguished in asking questions/contributing". I don't get it. Also, he didn't think Dau0d's meta was different than Dau0d's town game when he posted this earlier. The second post is my post, not Djo's. Why is it in there? I'll gladly reiterate my reasoning behind my vote on Da0ud over Inig if you wish. | ||
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debears
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Mb cheese. Ok refering to my post before. Remove the quote from Cheese. I gotta relook at Djo's filter about that point since I fucked up :/ | ||
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debears
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On October 27 2012 09:00 Djodref wrote: I don't know how daoud came up with this 90% gauge on me. Maybe because of my posting style. If you check my filter last game where I was mafia last game and my filter in this game,I bet that they really look different. Djo voted for Dau0d for literally 2 sentences of reasoning. Wow. | ||
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debears
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3 sentences including the quote in my case | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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You say that "The Common Fallacy" of this game is that activity = town. Are you considering at least one of the lurkers to be mafia at this point? (Considering Inig to be a lurker, in this case) Also, on an unrelated note, am I the only one that finds it ironic that the replacement of the lurker is also a lurker? Lurkception. | ||
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debears
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Yes I am considering the lurkers. That includes Roco, Nackht, and Inig However, there isn't much to say on them. They aren't contributing (possibly at threat of modkill). They are not helping weed out scum at all. | ||
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debears
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I agree with the nature on Inig's posting. After skimming his filter, I feel like he has been just dropping in with a couple of posts and then leaving without actively discussing matters at hand (I'll check his posts in context later). Do you get the same feel from it? | ||
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Alsn
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Alsn
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If you're still here nackh, I don't even know if you've read the thread so far, but who would you like to lynch and why? You can be brief if you want. | ||
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