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Regarding the introduction of Alsn's case, I think you should pay attention to it.
During D1, I have been accused by him but also by sylverfire, Cheese, Rad, debears and even the late Clarity was ill-disposed towards me. The only ones who were having town reads on me are daoud which we know was town and Ini but this one is not really defending me at all. I had to talk my way out of my lynch alone and it was not an easy task.
So I ask you, where are my fucking scumbuddies ?
If you ask yourself this question, you might be able to draw the same conclusion that Alsn did. It's not pure WIFOM.
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On October 29 2012 12:42 Djodref wrote:
Regarding the introduction of Alsn's case, I think you should pay attention to it.
During D1, I have been accused by him but also by sylverfire, Cheese, Rad, debears and even the late Clarity was ill-disposed towards me. The only ones who were having town reads on me are daoud which we know was town and Ini but this one is not really defending me at all. I had to talk my way out of my lynch alone and it was not an easy task.
So I ask you, where are my fucking scumbuddies ?
If you ask yourself this question, you might be able to draw the same conclusion that Alsn did. It's not pure WIFOM.
We have 2 major AFKs. Please don't try to use that defense.
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@ Rad
Where do you stand on the vote today? Do you find Djo the scummiest? Or Dandel, now that we see his defense?
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I'm leaning hard towards Djo.
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On October 29 2012 12:36 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 12:30 Djodref wrote:@ RadCheck this out, I have already posted it but w/e... On October 29 2012 11:04 Djodref wrote:
There is no town player wanting to lynch a SK in a 5vs3vs1 situation because it brings you to a 4vs3 situation the following day. 4vs3 is the worst situation you can ever get for town. Lylo situation are always tricky but on this one the 4 town players have to vote for the same mafia player or else town loses. I would be surprised that town dandel did not consider that.
Conclusion, dandel is scum It's not dandel first game. I guess he knows about the risks of a lylo. Ok so let's say we have 5v3v1. Town lynches town, SK kills town. 3v3v1 Is that a better situation than 4v3 with no SK?
@ Rad
Ok, I get your point, but you are only considering the worst possibility. Nothing says that we cannot find a scum if we decide not to lynch a SK and the SK would try to kill a mafia more than anything else during the night. That's why any town player should go for scum today instead of going for the SK.
Moreover, getting rid of the SK is a high priority for the mafia because he can kill them.
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On October 29 2012 12:50 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 12:36 Rad wrote:On October 29 2012 12:30 Djodref wrote:@ RadCheck this out, I have already posted it but w/e... On October 29 2012 11:04 Djodref wrote:
There is no town player wanting to lynch a SK in a 5vs3vs1 situation because it brings you to a 4vs3 situation the following day. 4vs3 is the worst situation you can ever get for town. Lylo situation are always tricky but on this one the 4 town players have to vote for the same mafia player or else town loses. I would be surprised that town dandel did not consider that.
Conclusion, dandel is scum It's not dandel first game. I guess he knows about the risks of a lylo. Ok so let's say we have 5v3v1. Town lynches town, SK kills town. 3v3v1 Is that a better situation than 4v3 with no SK? @ RadOk, I get your point, but you are only considering the worst possibility. Nothing says that we cannot find a scum if we decide not to lynch a SK and the SK would try to kill a mafia more than anything else during the night. That's why any town player should go for scum today instead of going for the SK. Moreover, getting rid of the SK is a high priority for the mafia because he can kill them.
If you claimed SK right now, then I think we should still try to hunt down a scum before lynch, and then decide on what to do at that point. I do NOT think that dandel voting on who he thinks to be an SK 36 hours before end of day is scummy given our current scenario. No one had claimed vigi yet, and at the very least it could be a pressure move. Also, you're super scummy as it is so I think it's a great move to put pressure on you however possible (if you're town, I'd think you should agree on that point).
I was asking an honest question before. I don't actually know if 3v3v1 is a worse scenario than 4v3. You've now said it is worse. Please explain:
On October 29 2012 12:34 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 12:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Inig
I find your vote on Dandel to be exceedingly odd. Your first post in D2, and you look at the thread and go "Hey, Alsn has a case on Dandel. I had suspicions of him before, better instantly agree with everything he says." You haven't said anything about Dandel since d1. It seems like you're actively lurking, and waiting for someone to bring up a case so you can sheep off of it. Admittedly, I find Dandel is to be scummy, but not as scummy as I find Djodref. Your post also conveniently avoids my concerns about the two posts being "walls of text" that don't contribute anything.
In regards to the SK thing... I don't see why lynching the SK is ever a bad thing. What's the issue? It is most definitely in towns wincon. @ CheeseLynching a possible SK today would be terribad. Check my previous posts about it, it makes you go from 5vs3vs1 to 4vs3. If you want me to detail you why 4vs3 is the worst situation ever, I can elaborate.And I would like to remind you that we are not even sure that Roco is going to survive and he could also be town ad far as we know.
I would, in fact, like you to elaborate.
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@djo
Saying no one defended you is a null tell. When were you at real threat of lynch d1 when your scumbuddies would have to defend you. Its wifom
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@Rad
I don't really like Alsn's premise on Dandel, even if I found the incessant flaming that ensued scummy. Tbh I think the case relies more on WIFOM than cold, hard facts. That's why I'm sticking to my Djo vote. My case against him, Debear's case against him (actually surprised he hasn't switch the vote) both compile a significant number of quotes that really paint the picture that Djo is scum. I find it much more likely that Dandel perchance flip town than Djo.
I also don't like the fact that Inig is the very definition of an active lurking: coming back to the thread and sheeping on the most popular case that suits his interests. He also has done zero scumhunting besides that initial nitpick at dandel d1.
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And on the "where are my scumbuddies" thing. Djo was never in danger of a lynch d1. It was between Da0ud and Inig. Nobody had to defend him. The attention was off.
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@Cheese
I agree. I was not convinced with Alsn's argument on Dandel. I also did not agree with Djo's. My only problem with Dandel right now is his attitude which hasn't been very helpful to town.
I'm going to have to re-read your case on Djo. To be honest, when I read it, I was thinking you were scum buddies with kush, so I think I ignored a lot of it. It might help me at this point with my own thoughts on Djo.
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[QUOTE]On October 29 2012 12:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
/snip
"Hey-guys-we-didn't-do-any-NK-speculations-yet" Djodref:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 29 2012 10:14 Djodref wrote:
Regarding dandel, I've found him very quick to accuse me as a SK at the beginning of D2. I know that he is saying that I'm SK or scum but his posts strongly imply that I'm more SK than scum (he brings thrawn meta in and says I'm more likely to be SK than scum). It makes a lot of sense from a mafia point of view.
It's true that I didn't consider the fact that Kush could have been killed by the mafia and that I have found a possible reason for the mafia to have targeted sylverfire quite fast. It was obvious for me that mafia would never had killed Kush because of my experience of the last game. Correct me if I'm wrong but Kush is never NKed by the mafia when he rolls town.
Anyway, I should have looked like I had some extra information about the night kills. So, from a mafia point of view, I really should be looking like a SK. I find it very strange that dandel didn't wait that long for a vig to claim. Getting a SK lynched is good for the image I guess so he comes at me very fast with a weird meta argument to support the fact that could be SK.
[u]To sum up[u]
Scum dandel knows that I'm not going to flip scum. Reacting to an apparent extra information about the NKs from my side, he comes at me very fast saying that I'm SK (not waiting for a claim, backing it up with poor arguments). He doesn't have the time to go through 18 pages of Thrawn's filter. Seriously, it makes so much sense !
Town dandel would have reacted slower to an apparent extra information about the NKs from my side. It doesn't tell if I'm scum or SK (please check Cheese reaction to see the difference). His reaction could have been possible but it makes less sense.
##Unvote
##Vote Dandel
You keep implying that I came after you "very fast", but that is a straight up lie. I gave you EASILY enough time to claim.
I ask: "Is there something you want to tell us?"
You seem to not want to tell us anything out of your own accord, so OVER 10 HOURS LATER, I make my post where I accuse you of being scum/SK.
(This could've been avoided if Rad was faster at claiming, but better late than never.)
You, Djo, will be happy to hear that I don't think you're the SK anymore, and you went back to being only Scum to me.
You somehow arrive at how I "don't have the time to look through thrawn's filter", and I don't even know how you got to that assumption, or how it's relevant at all. But it's now redundant anyways. Honestly though, I probably couldn't point out a single collection of posts and point at it saying "this is where I got my scum/SK read on him", because he didn't have any obvious slips in there. He just posted a metric shitton and I always got a scummy feel off his posts. Which is pretty much what I get from you, only you post things that are slips, or at least look like them to me.
Your "case", or post, or however you want to call it, is oddly similar to Alsn's too, in that 50% of it is speculation and WIFOM, which should have no place in there, and which I suspect is there only so that it makes it look like you had anything to actually base your read on. But I haven't seen anything.
Oh, and I'm going to say this again, I was pushing for your lynch because you were either scum or SK. The chance of you flipping town are and were incredibly slim in my mind.
@ dandel
I'm discarding the post you have quoted. I have admitted that I was wrong on the time frame already and I agree that I have said some bullshit in this post. But I don't understand why you don't address my other posts about you, which have much stronger evidence.
By the way, you were not pushing my lynch because I was either scum or SK (like Cheese did) but you were pushing my lynch because I was SK or scum.
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@Cheese
About inig, I'm on the fence. He feels newbie townie to me, or something like that. Also, at the same time, I get a scummy feeling, like if I dismiss ideas about being a newbie townie, then he's really scummy.
I think the lurkers are really hurting here, and if they're town, they really screwed us over. If I had input from them to consider, I think I would have a stronger feeling about inig one way or the other. In the end, there's 2 people I have no clue about and that messes up my thought process completely.
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[QUOTE]On October 29 2012 13:03 Djodref wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 29 2012 12:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
/snip
"Hey-guys-we-didn't-do-any-NK-speculations-yet" Djodref:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 29 2012 10:14 Djodref wrote:
Regarding dandel, I've found him very quick to accuse me as a SK at the beginning of D2. I know that he is saying that I'm SK or scum but his posts strongly imply that I'm more SK than scum (he brings thrawn meta in and says I'm more likely to be SK than scum). It makes a lot of sense from a mafia point of view.
It's true that I didn't consider the fact that Kush could have been killed by the mafia and that I have found a possible reason for the mafia to have targeted sylverfire quite fast. It was obvious for me that mafia would never had killed Kush because of my experience of the last game. Correct me if I'm wrong but Kush is never NKed by the mafia when he rolls town.
Anyway, I should have looked like I had some extra information about the night kills. So, from a mafia point of view, I really should be looking like a SK. I find it very strange that dandel didn't wait that long for a vig to claim. Getting a SK lynched is good for the image I guess so he comes at me very fast with a weird meta argument to support the fact that could be SK.
[u]To sum up[u]
Scum dandel knows that I'm not going to flip scum. Reacting to an apparent extra information about the NKs from my side, he comes at me very fast saying that I'm SK (not waiting for a claim, backing it up with poor arguments). He doesn't have the time to go through 18 pages of Thrawn's filter. Seriously, it makes so much sense !
Town dandel would have reacted slower to an apparent extra information about the NKs from my side. It doesn't tell if I'm scum or SK (please check Cheese reaction to see the difference). His reaction could have been possible but it makes less sense.
##Unvote
##Vote Dandel
You keep implying that I came after you "very fast", but that is a straight up lie. I gave you EASILY enough time to claim.
I ask: "Is there something you want to tell us?"
You seem to not want to tell us anything out of your own accord, so OVER 10 HOURS LATER, I make my post where I accuse you of being scum/SK.
(This could've been avoided if Rad was faster at claiming, but better late than never.)
You, Djo, will be happy to hear that I don't think you're the SK anymore, and you went back to being only Scum to me.
You somehow arrive at how I "don't have the time to look through thrawn's filter", and I don't even know how you got to that assumption, or how it's relevant at all. But it's now redundant anyways. Honestly though, I probably couldn't point out a single collection of posts and point at it saying "this is where I got my scum/SK read on him", because he didn't have any obvious slips in there. He just posted a metric shitton and I always got a scummy feel off his posts. Which is pretty much what I get from you, only you post things that are slips, or at least look like them to me.
Your "case", or post, or however you want to call it, is oddly similar to Alsn's too, in that 50% of it is speculation and WIFOM, which should have no place in there, and which I suspect is there only so that it makes it look like you had anything to actually base your read on. But I haven't seen anything.
Oh, and I'm going to say this again, I was pushing for your lynch because you were either scum or SK. The chance of you flipping town are and were incredibly slim in my mind.
@ dandel
I'm discarding the post you have quoted. I have admitted that I was wrong on the time frame already and I agree that I have said some bullshit in this post. But I don't understand why you don't address my other posts about you, which have much stronger evidence.
By the way, you were not pushing my lynch because I was either scum or SK (like Cheese did) but you were pushing my lynch because I was SK or scum.
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Um. What does that last line mean?
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Something is really suspicious here. My 2 top scum reads sheep on a case so hard and argue with bad reasoning (even making up ones)
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On October 29 2012 13:10 debears wrote:
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Something is really suspicious here. My 2 top scum reads sheep on a case so hard and argue with bad reasoning (even making up ones)
who were your top 2 scum reads?
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Djo and Inig. Dandel has posted a defense (with reasoning I had also concluded with in terms of WIFOM) for now he's below those two.
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@debears At what point did dandel become NOT your top scum read?
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Dandel Ion (3) - Alsn, Inigmaticalism, Djodref, debears
Djodref (2) - Dandel Ion, Mr Cheesecake
nackhtjogger (0) - Djodref
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At the point he posted his defense.
Check this out.
Guys here's a meta read on town Dandel from a previous game I played with him.
Comments on how ridiculous a game could be.
Context - I am accusing him hard of lieing and such. Thrawn is also considering him for lynch.
Last game
On September 22 2012 07:53 Dandel Ion wrote:
Oh man this game is so surreal...
See you guys tomorrow
This game
On October 29 2012 12:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
And Inig tries to tell people that town doesn't need to lynch SKs...
This game, man.
I'm going to sleep.
Notice the similarities when he's under attack now? He did this when the case on him was false when he was town. Same thing in this game.
Now, for his flaming
On September 22 2012 20:00 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2012 10:12 debears wrote:Now for the serious part. Your play has come off weird at the start. Dandel Ion Austria. September 21 2012 22:57. Posts 1813 PM Profile Quote #
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Yeah, I know rethos looked a bit scummy, but I do think that prior to the whole "I don't give a shit h4h4h4h4"-debacle, he was 100% following the bad-newbie-town semi-lurker path. What part of the debacle are you talking about? Site a specific post please so I know where your reference post begins. I mean the part where he stops being just bad, and starts being a retard. Open his filter and start with this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548¤tpage=33#641Shouldn't be too hard to find. Show nested quote +
Also, some LOGIC about the roleblock and nightkill to start things off:
On September 21 2012 13:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
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If the reasoning behind that is that he is trying to save his strongest town read then it would have gone to either of the 2 confirmed masons. Anyway there are tons of possible explanations of the roleblock and no reason to believe any of more than any other so I'd rather not speculate about it.
SDM probably roleblocked you.
In fact, IF you have been roleblocked, it was SDM.
Reasoning: It was redundant for him to roleblock one of the masons.
You all treat the masons as confirmed town, but they really are not. As long as none of them flip, there will remain some doubt.
And it could possibly surface at a very bad time for town. It would be incredibly stupid for scum to shoot one mason, and leave the other in the game. During Night 1, that is.
I wouldn't exactly call it stupid. Having 2 masons who can privately communicate in the game are more powerful than you think. For instance, although Sharky is not posting much, it is possible him and Sharant are building up a huge case on their own. That is also most likely why SDM would have protected them if he did.
Now the thing is, scum got lucky and hit the jailkeeper, which means they could possibly kill Sharrant and Sharky during the next 2 nightphases.
In another post I'd also be down for lynching Stutters, Killing or Atreides, but all of them are mostly policy about lurking/non-conributing, and less about actual scumreads.
I do think, however, that getting rid of lurkers one way or the other is absolutely necessary looking towards MYLO/LYLO. If there's only 1 or 2 lurkers, that could be easily solved with a vig shot, but we have 3 (4 counting the late rethos), and possibly no Vig at all. Which sucks. I absolutely hate when people mention vig shots, especially when it comes to lurkers early game. Xatalos did last game and he ended up a mafia. When I was reading over the game, Xatalos' post screamed out mafia, and yours here is similar. It gives me the feeling that you are saying "I'm mafia. Please shot 'X' lurker so that I don't have to worry about you mr. vigilante. We can lynch the lurkers. Mafia in the mid and late game, when they are active, can be deadly and sometimes can't be lynched. So a bad scum I don't know in a newbie game I didn't play in said something about Vigs during the game. Now clearly, the most logical thing for you to do is to jump on me (the "easy target") with a horrible association case that you base off a random guy? Oh wow, if you really think that's scumhunting, then good luck. Show nested quote +Then, about remedy Now, I don’t know if his post between that was his “better argument”, but it doesn’t look like it to me
(For reference:+ Show Spoiler +)
He keeps promising posts/activity, but you should get what I'm saying by now. Just read through his filter, it's not a long read.
But that’s just side notes. The real issue I have with him is how he “scumhunts”.
He just quotes shit and then slaps a one/twoliner or some random questions onto it. The funny thing is that Rethos did that same thing throughout d1 when I called him out for it. I am assuming you at the least read through your previous identity's filter to know what he said. If not, please look at my argument against him. What are you trying to say here, hmm? That rethos behaved just as Remedy did, but for some reason you think Remedy is town(?) and rethos is scum, or what? It doesn't make sense for you to use this argument, because if you were honest about it, you should have had a town read on rethos too. Double standard much? Please elaborate on why you think Remedy is town, and rethos scum. I'm listening. Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On September 19 2012 14:05 debears wrote:Show nested quote + Sharrant Canada. September 19 2012 12:15. Posts 15 PM Profile Quote #
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@Atreides
That was me that mentioned the possibility of them both being masons.
@Kush I agree with you about lurkers at this time. I'm ready to bury the hatchet on both debears and thrawn in order to get rid of one of our hard lurkers. I will be able to post an argument on you and Kush tomorrow, most likely in the morning. In the lurkers, there is one that still has my attention, Rethos. Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 06:33 rethos wrote:
@thrawn2112 since the whole debears affair, your conflict with SDM seemed to have been left in the air. What is your current read about SDM? Do you have any other reads that the town might want to know about? This was his last post. Although he is posting, his posts are not beneficial. Most of the latest ones contain questions. He hasn't directed accusations at anyone. Show nested quote +Why, if he is town, is he trying to convince people he is right? What does that do? How does that help? Is it just bad town play? This is just a sample of what he does. Three questions in a row that he did not post an answer for himself.
Most of his other posts follow a similar format. He just directs the question at someone. I understand the difference in time zones affecting the amount of posts. However, the quality is poor. He isn't taking a stand on anything. Looks like he is trying to look active without provoking anyone. Then, this post + Show Spoiler +On September 22 2012 03:43 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also, please don't just vote me and go brainafk.
Even if I did replace a scum (which I did not blablabla), there's still more scum in this and just going "yep lynch this guy, see you in two days" will not help.
Just saying.
If you want to lynch rethos (aka me), go on ahead, but don't be idiots about it. That's all I will say about the whole rethos matter. I don't like how you are just dismissing the case against Rethos/you. There are clear scumtells in his writing that we can't ignore. Well guess what, I don't like it either. But what can I do? I have no fucking idea what he was thinking or doing. I couldn't even ask him, or talk to him. So how the fuck should I defend accusations that have nothing to do with me, that I would find scummy myself, and where I have no idea why he did what he did? Protip: I can't do shit Which is why I want town to talk about something else. But if you want to call it "sweeping under the rug" and keep trapling on a dead guy with no way to defend himself, go on ahead. And it's funny you bold a little part of my sentence and ignore the stuff written in the rest of it. I never told anyone they can't vote for me (like anyone would listen), I only want you to TALK about something different. Even if I was scum, there'd be two more. And when I flip green, you see that you're gonna have to find three more. So I suggest(ed) looking into that. But it seems you are not interested. Why not? Show nested quote +You mention sharky lurking hard in this post (and later ones also), although right before you state that you are 99% sure he is town. Although he may be lurking, he may be privately working with sharrant to catch up. Also, why should we put pressure on a (99% according to you) townie for the sake of making him post? We are pressuring people to get information and correct reads. Oh wow, way to not read my filter!! Good job! I was already asked (kinda) about this and answered it. It's true, I'm even linking it, otherwise you might not find it in my massive one-page filter! Here! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548¤tpage=38#749I am putting pressure on him in a way, yes. Because he's being SUPER useless while being "confirmed" town. And that makes me mad. Cause if he keeps that up when Sharrant gets shot (and Sharrant WILL get shot soon, since he's the only mason that actually does ANYTHING), it ain't gonna be pretty. Show nested quote +Yet again, same point I've shown from previous posts. You have zoomed in on Remedy as desperation to take the pressure off yourself. You cannot just dismiss the case against rethos/you. You came into the game with immense pressure on you and your response is sweep it under the rug. Rethos had a short filter. Most of the case against him was made after the lynch, which you definitely should have read first thing. You are also making weird statements back and forth on the masons, which are pretty clear by now. Go find the couple of hours before the lynch if you must read it in depth. And finally, the vig shot post...ew.
At this point, you have added to the scumminess of rethos in my eyes Oh, I know a case exists. But I want you to meditate, find your inner center, and tell me how I should treat the case instead. And stop being hypocritical about me not reading or whatever - I read the thread, I read all the filters. But you yourself seem to have conveniently skipped over some of my posts (in one case even over the sentence you were quoting from), just to rehash some concerns that have already been answered. You even mention the mason thing, which was a stupid misunderstanding that thrawn STILL pointed out AFTER I ALREADY explained it without anyone even asking. Okay, okay, maybe a mistake by him (though scum thrawn is looking more likely by the minute), but WHY do you feel the need to bring that up again? This sentence alone makes me think you're just trying to appear like you're "scumhunting", when you actually don't*. So you call my post "weird" to discredit me. *This is not just about this one sentence, you whole "case" is rehashed garbage you could've answered yourself if you actually read through the thread/my filter to really scumhunt, instead of picking a few posts out of context, ingoring the explainations I already gave, etc. Your only original contribution is the assosiation "case" with Xathalos. And that is so fucking horrible it gives me the worst nightmares (good thing I just woke up) But at least I can give you the good news! Remedy is no longer my top scumread! It's you! You win! Yaaaaay! ##vote debearsDisclaimer: I'd still be up for lynching remedy/stutters/insert-lurker-here too.
Look at the sarcasm. He calls me a retard cuz he knows he's town and he isn't scummy. Look at his response to Alsn's case this game.
This game
On October 28 2012 23:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
I said I'd tunnel Kush because I find it very hard to get a proper feel-read on him. I hope at this point, I've referenced NMM XXVII enough times, and this too, is a leftover from that game.
I basically assumed he was town in that game because his actions would have been absolutely stupid as scum. Lo and behold, he actually was scum.
I don't understand how his brain works, so I basically decided I wouldn't give him any benefit of the doubt, concerning anything.
But he comes in, plays scummy, and doesn't respond to any of the cases/concerns on him (expect saying they are "bad", nothing else given).
Can you honestly tell me you didn't find Kush scummy too? Cause I don't think you can.
I did not "only" suspect Djo at all. Yes, I tunneled Kush.
I didn't switch to daoud, because, while the post that got him lynched was a huge "wtf" moment, I did not find him more scummy than Inig. Yea, the cases on Inig weren't too strong, but the reasons some people had for voting daoud were even worse.
I'll openly disagree with your whole post. From your useless WIFOM you just included so that your post looks bigger/like it had actual content, to the way you excuse everyone that voted daoud (who did you vote for again?), the way you bring up things we've been over already...
You used to be decent at mafia, but somehow you got terrible. I think you're not using the Newbie games right, usually you'd try to get better.
Notice the sarcasm and calling him dumb? Super the same as his townie self.
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I had the meta read on him for a while now. I didn't share it cuz I wanted to see if his line of thinking with Alsn's case followed mine and it does. Also, I wanted to see who would jump it. Who did??
Inig and Djo, my top 2 scumreads.
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