Newbie Mini Mafia XXIX - Page 54

On October 29 2012 13:28 Rad wrote:
I'm curious, does he have any meta examples where he's scum and doing the same thing (or something different)?

On October 29 2012 13:30 debears wrote:


For Dandel?

On October 29 2012 13:28 Djodref wrote:
@ Rad

First of all, I would like to say that I'm a Vanilla Townie so I have nothing to claim to save my ass. Believe me or not, but I'm no SK and I'm no mafia. But it's not relevant for the subject I have to discuss.

Considering that 2 blues are already dead and that you have no more bullets, I'm pretty sure that there is only VTs or equivalent right now. We cannot expect any save or vigilante kill.

Let's assume that we have an confirmed SK and I think that I was close to be a confirmed SK in dandel's eyes.

If town lynches the SK, you end up for sure at 4vs3 on D3. It is the worst lylo situation ever. You need basically to have a confirmed mafia player to expect survive the day, and then you have 2 more lylo at D4 (3vs2) and at D5 (2vs1). Given our current situation (town full of lurkers and newbies), I don't imagine us getting our way out a 4vs3 lylo.


If town decides not to lynch the SK, it is possible that we end up in a 3vs3vs1 situation at D3 but it is neither is the interest or town nor in the interest of the SK. We have much more opportunities to get rid of the scum this way (lynch or night kill by the SK).

Now, if we compare 4vs3 or 3vs3vs1, I think that the situations are equally bad. The SK has to team up with the town anyway at this point or it is game over for him. I don't know what would happen if we get out a 3vs3vs1 situation because I don't know what the SK would do.

Lynching the SK is at best sub-optimal play from town but I tend to think that it is anti-town.
And I cannot add enough how it fits a mafia agenda because they are sure to get to lylo instead of risking to lose one of their members.

On October 28 2012 09:29 Djodref wrote:
I think sylver has been killed for this post



I would say mafia was trying to snipe a blue and managed to do it.

Regarding Kush death, I would say vig or SK. Both makes sense.
But jailkeeper + vig + detective seems imba so I think we have a SK.

On October 29 2012 13:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
And on the "where are my scumbuddies" thing. Djo was never in danger of a lynch d1. It was between Da0ud and Inig. Nobody had to defend him. The attention was off.

On October 29 2012 13:40 Djodref wrote:


@ Cheese

Well, I respectfully disagree. I've been tunneled by almost all the active players during D1 and nobody defended nor soft-defended me at that time. I believed that I was going to get mislynched.
People started to say that they didn't want to lynch quite late during day 1 because I was generating discussion, not because they thought I was townie.

On October 29 2012 13:44 Rad wrote:


You had some pressure on you d1 but I don't think you were at risk of getting lynched. Multiple people had said "he inputs enough good conversation, if he's scum he'll slip up at some point" and for whatever reason, we all moved on to inig and da0ud. You may have been scared early on but you know you weren't scared at all the last hours before the lynch. Hell, you even called cheese out about why his vote was still on you because obviously you weren't a lynch candidate at that point.

Also you need to stop about the "no one defended me" garbage. We had 2 lurkers then and we have the same 2 lurkers now (1 replaced with a new person, but same role in this game). Also, you just haven't needed a scum buddy to take your side until right now, and it's super dangerous to do so at this point.

On August 25 2012 09:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
@Lvdr:
@Shady:
It really seems to me like you are carrying over an existing argument/exchange from another ongoing mafia game.

I guess it's pretty hard to do (and coincidentially the reason I won't sign up for multiple games, ever), but please try to seperate this game from the other one.

On August 26 2012 03:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
To start things off, responding to lvdr's case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579&currentpage=15#285

This is a flat out lie.
I have played a SINGLE game of mafia so far. (not counting the half-day that got restarted)
lvdr, shady and mkfuba have all played more games, thrawn just as many.

I didn't really push anyone but you yet, since all the "cases" so far were pretty much just screaming "bad newbie" to me, instead of "scum". Then there was you VS Shady, which I consider to have not much to do with this game.

Well, since that is the extent of your case, I consider it adressed.


Since you all seem to want my reads, here we go. (thoughts on other people coming after this, I'm getting pretty annoyed by the whole OMGOMG I'M WAITING FOR HIS POST, so I just decided to split it up.)
WeeTee: The extent of his first ~10 posts was either 1) insulting people, 2) not contributing or 3) both.

His last post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579&currentpage=14#266) reads to me like he's just trying to secure a lynch on somebody else, no matter who it is

In an earlier post, he FoS'd Alsn for going for the "easy lynch". Behold, just a little later he is doing the SAME thing, to the SAME person.
Even though he soft-defended him earlier.
The only other thing he has done so far is argue with thrawn.

He's not contributing and contradicting his own words.

Thus, Weetee is my strongest scum read at the moment