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The next part of Alsn's case
Looking at these scenarios, and I'm convinced they're the only ones possible, I find the last one to be extremely unlikely. While myself and others have at times at least questioned whether or not Djod was all that super scummy, no one that I know has ever diverted a hypothetical Djod lynch unless it was done very subtly. In fact, the only argument that I feel can be made that he is scum and other scum has diverted attention away from him is the lynches against Inig and da0ud. Kush(and admittedly to a lesser extent myself) were responsible for the latter, while the lynch against Inig was Djod himself in tandem with debears(and possibly someone else, I don't remember, please correct me here if I'm wrong). Lastly, Djod actually switched his vote from Inig to da0ud and was the last one to do so IIRC. To me, scum "securing" a lynch on a townie makes no sense whatsoever. The only ones at risk of actually vote switching near a lynch are actual scum, so protecting themselves against a switch is meaningless.
That to me leaves the first two options and in both of them Djod is not scum. Sure, he could be SK and his actions don't really dispute that but to be honest, I would rather have a possible SK(and I'm not convinced he is) left alone and actually try and lynch mafia. Mostly because an SK isn't that worrisome if we still have a pretty good town vs scum majority.
For that reason, I looked at the possibilities left. Either scum is keeping really quiet and all of us accusing Djod are town, or scum are in fact trying to get Djod lynched. I find the latter more likely, although unfortunately I don't really have a good explanation for why I think that is, it's basically just a hunch, although not an insignificant one.
He WIFOMS what scum would do since he thinks you're town.
WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM
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On October 29 2012 14:10 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 14:08 debears wrote: @Djo
How often has Inig been around to actually answer some fucking questions??? He just plops in with his thought out, big posts and leaves. Well, this would have been a better reason for dandel to go after Inig rather than to vote me for being the SK.
Really? Because I haven't been super hard pressing Inig after yesterday. Why? Because nothing has changed on him. He's doing the same shit, being his usual lurky self
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ebwop
Why don't you find me scummy then??? Since I'm pressing you and not Inig
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On October 29 2012 14:10 Rad wrote: @djo
Dandel had a lot of time to think about it, and one of his main points about you was how quickly you pointed out the sylver quote. That didn't exist at the time he posted his msg before end of night.
@ Rad
It didn't change the fact that he still voted for me for being a SK rather than Ini for being a scum.
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On October 29 2012 14:13 debears wrote: ebwop
Why don't you find me scummy then??? Since I'm pressing you and not Inig
@ debears
You have posted a second case about me so I think I became your top scumread at that point.
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Anyway, I recommend you to take a break and to remove your biased confirmation goggles. You are jumping at every post I make right now and it is quite tiresome. I think I deserved for what I did to you in my first newbie  That and because I suck as town I would say...
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On October 29 2012 14:14 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 14:10 Rad wrote: @djo
Dandel had a lot of time to think about it, and one of his main points about you was how quickly you pointed out the sylver quote. That didn't exist at the time he posted his msg before end of night. @ RadIt didn't change the fact that he still voted for me for being a SK rather than Ini for being a scum.
He didn't make the "I'm voting for SK" argument minutes before lynch and then let his vote ride into a lynch. He made it after a double NK where I hadn't claimed vigi yet. He had well over a full day left to change it up. At the very least it was a pressure move and I think a good one. It's not like everyone was going to read his case and go "yep let's kill the SK!" and no one talk until lynch. It has helped town a lot because it's gotten a variety of opinions since.
Let me rephrase.
His vote and reasoning is not important because it hasn't done anything yet. It's just there, making you anxious and causing discussion.
If he votes inig, what happens?
Inig posts once, maybe twice, goes afk.
What do you do? You talk a loooootttt. That creates something for us to discuss. Furthermore, his points were interesting and valid.
What new can he post about inig? Nothing at that point.
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On October 29 2012 14:13 debears wrote: ebwop
Why don't you find me scummy then??? Since I'm pressing you and not Inig
@ debears
This post is so unfair. You know I have a town read on you since the beginning of the game.
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On October 29 2012 14:16 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 14:13 debears wrote: ebwop
Why don't you find me scummy then??? Since I'm pressing you and not Inig @ debearsYou have posted a second case about me so I think I became your top scumread at that point.
That case didn't happen until well into day 2. I still didn't press Inig after the lynch because the damn guy is inactive so talking to him is like trying to start a car without an engine.
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Alright I'm going to bed.
Djo, I'll look over you one more time tomorrow.
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I am back from the moon. sorry i got high last week end I do not want to see djodref kill even if it is against my logic of killing the one who talk the more !!!
##Vote Dandel Ion
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On October 29 2012 14:22 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 14:14 Djodref wrote:On October 29 2012 14:10 Rad wrote: @djo
Dandel had a lot of time to think about it, and one of his main points about you was how quickly you pointed out the sylver quote. That didn't exist at the time he posted his msg before end of night. @ RadIt didn't change the fact that he still voted for me for being a SK rather than Ini for being a scum. He didn't make the "I'm voting for SK" argument minutes before lynch and then let his vote ride into a lynch. He made it after a double NK where I hadn't claimed vigi yet. He had well over a full day left to change it up. At the very least it was a pressure move and I think a good one. It's not like everyone was going to read his case and go "yep let's kill the SK!" and no one talk until lynch. It has helped town a lot because it's gotten a variety of opinions since. Let me rephrase. His vote and reasoning is not important because it hasn't done anything yet. It's just there, making you anxious and causing discussion. If he votes inig, what happens? Inig posts once, maybe twice, goes afk. What do you do? You talk a loooootttt. That creates something for us to discuss. Furthermore, his points were interesting and valid. What new can he post about inig? Nothing at that point.
@ Rad
True enough, pressuring me made me talk a lot. But I think he forgot about Inig and wanted to lynch me instead.
Remember that not wanting to lynch scum is a big scum-tell.
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Roco's back...
/facepalm
Isn't he just straight up mod replaced and/or modkilled at night now? Or, how will this work since he missed last vote...
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On October 29 2012 14:32 Roco69 wrote: I am back from the moon. sorry i got high last week end I do not want to see djodref kill even if it is against my logic of killing the one who talk the more !!!
##Vote Dandel Ion
@ Roco
You better post a lot and give better reasons for voting for dandel. Everyone is going to kill you for this kind of thing...
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On October 29 2012 14:35 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2012 14:22 Rad wrote:On October 29 2012 14:14 Djodref wrote:On October 29 2012 14:10 Rad wrote: @djo
Dandel had a lot of time to think about it, and one of his main points about you was how quickly you pointed out the sylver quote. That didn't exist at the time he posted his msg before end of night. @ RadIt didn't change the fact that he still voted for me for being a SK rather than Ini for being a scum. He didn't make the "I'm voting for SK" argument minutes before lynch and then let his vote ride into a lynch. He made it after a double NK where I hadn't claimed vigi yet. He had well over a full day left to change it up. At the very least it was a pressure move and I think a good one. It's not like everyone was going to read his case and go "yep let's kill the SK!" and no one talk until lynch. It has helped town a lot because it's gotten a variety of opinions since. Let me rephrase. His vote and reasoning is not important because it hasn't done anything yet. It's just there, making you anxious and causing discussion. If he votes inig, what happens? Inig posts once, maybe twice, goes afk. What do you do? You talk a loooootttt. That creates something for us to discuss. Furthermore, his points were interesting and valid. What new can he post about inig? Nothing at that point. @ RadTrue enough, pressuring me made me talk a lot. But I think he forgot about Inig and wanted to lynch me instead. Remember that not wanting to lynch scum is a big scum-tell.
You think dandel "forgot about about inig"? Come on djo...
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The only reason he wasn't modkilled was because he was due to be replaced. If he didn't vote on D1 then he shouldn't be around for d2.
And surprisingly Roco doesn't want to lynch Djo... Why not? Something smells super scummy about this entire situation. A lurker being scumbuddies with Djo just makes too much sense right now, especially with him returning the second he has the possibility of being lynched.
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@ Rad
Check this out.
On October 28 2012 23:50 Dandel Ion wrote: What has Djo done for town? What has Cheesecake done? What has Rad done? What has debears done?
Is nacktjogger even in this game? I can't tell. What about Roco?
On October 28 2012 23:51 Dandel Ion wrote: Oh Inig is also still alive. How could I forget this beacon of towniness?
He did mention him once while SK tunneling me.
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EBWOP: "forgot about inig"
funny before i posted that it was something like "forabout inig?" and then I "fixed" it
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On October 29 2012 14:41 Djodref wrote:@ RadCheck this out. Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 23:50 Dandel Ion wrote: What has Djo done for town? What has Cheesecake done? What has Rad done? What has debears done?
Is nacktjogger even in this game? I can't tell. What about Roco? Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 23:51 Dandel Ion wrote: Oh Inig is also still alive. How could I forget this beacon of towniness? He did mention him once while SK tunneling me.
I read that as just more sarcasm based on him not including inig in the "what has X done" post.
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On October 29 2012 14:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: The only reason he wasn't modkilled was because he was due to be replaced. If he didn't vote on D1 then he shouldn't be around for d2.
And surprisingly Roco doesn't want to lynch Djo... Why not? Something smells super scummy about this entire situation. A lurker being scumbuddies with Djo just makes too much sense right now, especially with him returning the second he has the possibility of being lynched.
@ Cheese
I know, this looks super bad. Even myself I don't understand how I can be town in this fucking game...
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