EPT@Hiro
Where is the deadline post ?
I'm quite happy with the lynch mechanics today because we are finally going to have more than one scumread from Hiro.
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
@Hiro Where is the deadline post ? I'm quite happy with the lynch mechanics today because we are finally going to have more than one scumread from Hiro. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On October 10 2012 13:24 da0ud wrote: Hi again guys ! Happy to be here with ya all ! I am french leaving in HK and pretty bored at work currently so this game will have my full attention. This is my first MAFIA game on a chat thread, but I have played a lot with real friends in real life. So it should be pretty cool. One first guess on the voting system is that people who are already given a BYE from first round are at a disadvantage (cause they have one less chance to be out) and on top of that they are higher seeded hence at a second disadvantage in case of 0-0 tie. Pretty unfair isn't it. I guess it must have been a master plan from the Alien Invaders who put themselves all as the lowest seeded people. I would put focus on eliminating players number 10, 11 and 12 this round if possible. What do you guys think ? At least i am trying to put a lead on who is what.... Daoud. On October 11 2012 14:38 da0ud wrote: Well, as he was the only one really supporting me, he could easily get my trust and getting me to follow his lead on who to vote against, etc. If he was mafia, then that would be another bullet for the mafia team (ie : getting a townie to follow their voting pattern). Maybe what i say doesn't make sense, but : * Let say we are 9 townies, 3 mafia. * One of the mafia supports the "weird" guy (who is the only one who reads the theme of the game :D) * Let's assume this guy is now 40% following the conviction of the manipulator. * Town is now made of 3.4 mafia vs 8.6 townies, and the plague is spreading. But I am not that dumb (or am I ?), I'll make decisions by myself. The alien invaders "joke" is just..... idk. Later on he said it was an attempt to get discussion moving but I do not see how he could expect anyone to take that idea seriously. Then he talks about "mini scum"..... just wtf once again. Da0 what were you talking about with mini scum? Another point against him is that he laid down 9 votes on sandroba. That's already been addressed by people on both sides of the da0 debate but it still stands as a fact. He talked about his vote for sand and here was my initial take on his post: + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2012 16:51 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah the bolded part just screams noob mafia Ok you voted for sandroba because: "One first thing on my vote against San is at the time as default choice between two people I found scummy." but here are the most recent cases of you talking about either of them: So please show me where you found ON scummy. In fact it seems like you weren't "thinking" ON was scum... your reason for voting him was always policy related: Oh and I'm not really convinced about memtoss.... I don't buy that he was bussing ON. His votes for ON came at a time when a bus would have been extremely stupid or extremely clever and I doubt he's capable of either. I think he was the first person to actually vote ON. Maybe a scum memtoss would have figured that sand is getting lynched no matter what but I doubt he'd have taken that risk. Also, he was who Sandroba most wanted us to kill, and from I can tell it's the same deal with ET. Both of those guys are dead. Sandroba's lst words about da0 were: On October 14 2012 16:57 sandroba wrote: Just lynch da0ud, then prplhz, then you figure the rest out if the game is not over. The only reason why I think he could be town is because his scumhunting posts show a lot of townie paranoia. Like a lot. And this being his first game that would make sense for him to be overly paranoid. And he has shown pretty consistent suspicion of memtoss but eh, scum or town would do that. So for now he's gonna stay at number 3 spot,on my list and will possibly move up higher because I'm not confident that he's scum but there is so much against him (his posts seem forced, he was sandroba's and et's lynch choice, he voted 9 for sandroba)that it'd be dumb to let it slide. Also I think a do0 flip would be extremely useful. As for austin.... bleh. I've played 1 game with him (town austin) and I've obsed a couple of his town games and he just seemed so much more straightforward and useful than he's being in this game. His word count is still really high but his post just seem way fluffier than what I'd come to expect from him. Also I still can't get over the vote sharing thing from D1. I can not understand how any town player would do that.... first of all that means that you don't trust your own judgement which I don't think that'd be the case with a town austin, and it also means that you have almost confirmed town reads in the people you're giving the votes to. He did it on D1... could he really have been so sure that kush and I were town at that point? Also, at the time he made the offer I believe kush was strongly in favor of lynching sandroba, and I was on the fence but I'd been the main person pushing sand's case all game. I am not convinced that town austin would have shared votes like that. As for hiro, he got the 2 spot on my list basically because of process of elimination. I don't have the slightest town read on him, nor do I have the slightest scum read. That is very worrying and in the past when there's a player that I'm not really concerned with because they are off the radar, big surprise they end up being scum. I'll look through his filter next. | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
On October 17 2012 13:10 kushm4sta wrote: Are we playing the same game?? Why is thrawn so town? Because he doesn't act retardedly? That's enough to make you town now? Read his filter. He has contributed nothing. His only case was a bad one on SANDROBA, confirmed town, which he went back on extremely easily. Frankly I am baffled by this thrawn dickride. I want you to explain. If you do not explain adequately I will support your lynch. gogo. Keep in mind this: the people who seem the scummiest probably aren't scum. That is because they don't care about stopping themselves from looking scummy. They are just going to act however they want to act. Scum, however, will go out of their way to act town. @daoud explain your thrawn dickride You are right I think I am not really playing the same game. More like the paranoid game indeed. lol. Don't worry there is no language barrier, it is pretty much me being dumb and that's it. I have been working in HK for 5 yrs now mostly with native english speaking people (including Aussies and Kiwis). So I don't want you to put my stupidity in me not understanding what is happening. I am probably too lazy and busy in the morning too really read very carefully and take notes. I usually catch back on the thread in the morning when there is action at work. I try to do it as fast as possible otherwise there is no one to actually share views with me. I should read slower and more carefuly. But whatever... Thank to you, Kush, and thrawn himself to make me read entirely his filter. And there is not much in there. Thrawn you go from my first town read to second scum read. Here are the three main reasons : 1) Your votes in Day1 went for prplhz (town), Sand twice (town), Djo (very town-looking, again I will re-read his filter, but he makes very good cases). He initially votes Sand in the finals and when he sees suspicions onto ON he unvotes then changes to ON. 2) this post : On October 14 2012 11:06 thrawn2112 wrote: guys hurry up with the night actions I'm eager to learn about the new lynch mechanics Too naive, almost similar to mine where i imply the last one to act was scum. Here basically he implies I have nothing to do, or not much talking to do with my scum team, so hurry up => VERY VERY SCUMMY 3) this other post : On October 16 2012 21:11 thrawn2112 wrote: no I haven't (unless you count sk) so I have no idea. I'd either ask my mafia bros for advice the entire time or I'd just tell them to bus the shit out of me D1. or I might bus the shit out of them the whole game. When looking at action, no one votes on him so didn't ask his mates to bus the sh!t out of him. Did not bus the sh!t out of them either cause mostly accused or voted townies. Hence is actions are the opposite of what he PRETENDS he would do if he were scum. This is too big to be true. There is more to say but i will focus on others as well. Thanks Kush for waking me up, you going down my ladder I started already in Day2. | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
1) Mementoss 2) Thrawn 3) Hopeless 4) Austin 5) Hiro 6) Kush 7) Djo 8) Da0ud | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
1) Thrawn 2) Hopeless 3) Mementoss 4) Austin 5) Hiro 6) Djo 7) Kush 8) Da0ud | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
Am I really deserving of #2 spot on your scumread list because of those reasons? Like of all the scumhunting you've done so far this is the most laughable. Like they're so laughable I can't even begin to think how to respond to them. First you say I've voted for town people... well guess what that's what happens in mafia. Then you say I switch to ON... care to explain what was so scummy about the timing of me switching? As far as I remember I was in the thread almost all day willing to talk to anyone about sand/ON.... look at the starting point when I first voted for sand round 4 and read until I voted ON, and even went to lengths to get austin to put votes onto ON for me... and tell me if you still don't think that was a genuine change of opinion. On your 2nd point... how can you assume that I was trying to suggest anything? You're saying I was trying to suggest that I'm vanilla town... well maybe that statement looks like it came from a VT.... because it came from a VT. For point #3, just lol. You're starting with the assumption that I'm scum and then forming your argument to support it. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
In point 2) I don't assume you are VT, you assume your actions were quick, while actually mafia people would actually need some time to discuss who they want to kill. 3) as you say in this game we can turn every single post in a perfect town read to a perfect scum read, depending on the initial state of mind. You might turn green, I might turn red. Or we might be wasting our efforts if you are green as well. I could say lynch me I don't care I will be able to play a game with newbies, but I don't want to give up now, even if it would probably be more beneficial to me. | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On October 17 2012 16:00 da0ud wrote: You are not #1. In point 2) I don't assume you are VT, you assume your actions were quick, while actually mafia people would actually need some time to discuss who they want to kill. 3) as you say in this game we can turn every single post in a perfect town read to a perfect scum read, depending on the initial state of mind. i have almost no idea what you're trying to say here and how it relates to the argument at hand | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
As you say depending on how you want to read a post you can make it say anything you want. I will try to re-read the all thread knowing ON is scum and Sand, prplhz and ET are towns. My point 1) against you is not valid either cause if i follow my logic, I am pretty scum as well cause voted for Djo (which i consider town) and Sand (9 times....) pretty bad. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On October 17 2012 01:00 Djodref wrote: Why we shouldn't lynch Daoud My main point here is that we have made a mistake while lynching prplhz and I'm afraid that we might do it again if we were to lynch Daoud. First I would like to compare the reasons why we want to lynch them. + Show Spoiler + I've tried to analyze the reasons which lead to the D2 prplhz's debacle. At that time, prplhz felt like the perfect lynch candidate. Mainly because of the following reasons
Now let's take a look at the reasons advanced for daoud's lynch
If you see anything thing big that I have missed, I would enjoy to discuss it. Anyway, there are some common reasons between these two and I think that some of them are just not so good. I'm not saying that they are not valid but I don't think they should carry too much weight in our scumhunt. I'm going to elaborate the push of Sandroba and the association with ON in the next spoiler. Why pushing Sandroba was not so relevant + Show Spoiler + Among us, we have been a lot to suspect Sandro during the first stages of D1: he didn't randomly advance to the finals. When you look at his filter until the following post, he looks pretty scummy. On October 13 2012 16:00 sandroba wrote: I'm not going to fight against this lynch. This is simply too stupid to fight over and I don't feel like it. If you people stopped one second to look at this thread you would come to realise that is simply no way I'm scum purely based on how this situation came to be. Also there is no case against me. I refuse to defend myself against the ignorant uninformed opinion of a bunch of riotters. This is no way to play mafia. You have to look at the intricacies and not follow the mob rule that is usually driven by scum. I leave you sheep to your fate. My reads so far is that ET austin hiro and kush are town. I honestly don't know anymore about ON cuz I would expect him to try to at least keep apearances as scum. This djodref is either very dumb or scum. You would never as town (and inteligent) feel that a person that is standing up to you against the majority trying to lynch would be scum. Prpl and mementos are prob scum. I've been wanting to lynch him at this point and it was the same for Thrawn, Kush, and Daoud. I've haven't been here to witness the rise of town Sandro later on but I think it was totally ok to have wanted to lynch him at that time. We shouldn't have blamed prplhz for this and we should not blame anybody for this. After that, prplhz didn't realize his mistake fast enough and I guess that daoud wasn't even here to see the real town Sandro as he missed all the deadlines. Regarding the Daoud's defense regarding his vote, I would agree that it looks pretty bad. I don't want to give him total clearance because of this precise point but given the general level of his posts and his awareness of the game, I can imagine him as total town newbie with clumsy defense. Why the association case with ON is not so relevant + Show Spoiler + ON was a lurker. I don't know what we can guess from his few interactions with the world. The two votes he threw on me were not even useful, I don't see any purpose for them. They might have been real panic votes, maybe not. We don't know. Same, anybody could say anything about a lurker. Mafia can try to bus or to save. Town can say scummy or townie (see prplhz as an extreme example). The thing is that he was a lurker. We cannot have anything tangible from this. The final reasons to lynch Daoud + Show Spoiler + If we discard the previous reasons, here is what is left
I think these reasons are not a making a solid enough case. He could be newb scum or he could be newb town but my guts are leaning towards town when I read his filter. Especially when he has tried to improve his play during potato day. Regarding the potato, prplhz didn't pass it and it was not town in my eyes but maybe you see things differently when you have everybody on your back. One last thing. When I'm looking back at D2, I have a feeling this day was wasted. Because we had two obvious targets, we didn't think about if they were the right targets or not. Please think how easy it would be to push such mislynches when no one is thinking twice. Mafia totally got us and I bet they were enjoying nice holidays. Conclusion Daoud is looking scummy but he is not the right target. I have a strong feeling that he is in fact a newbie that is going to be mislynched. I would prefer than we not lynch him and focus on the right targets starting from tomorrow. I'm going to present them to you in my following posts. I have been preparing this post after prplhz tragic explosion, and I was wondering if daoud could be the scum of two like I've stated here. On October 15 2012 18:18 Djodref wrote: /snip About prplhz and daoud My feeling is that we definitively have a scum between the two but not that the two of them are scum. Honestly, if they were both scum, I would expect them to concede right now. I'm really more confident that prplhz is the scum out of them two. I would be happy to see them passing the potato to each other  I've realized that we didn't think about prplhz lynch enough and thus I have considered carefully why we should lynch Daoud. At this time, I found out that he was more likely to be a mislynch than anything else, hence my night post. Unfortunately, his behavior right now at he beginning has made me doubt again. I was wondering if he could really be scum or not while re-reading the whole thread and I came to the conclusion that he is certainly a mislynch ! I'll elaborate in my next post. It's a bit WIFOMy but I think it's good | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Why Hopeless1der is Most likely Town The Facts: 1. Original Name 2. EchelonTee 3. Sandroba 4. EchelonTee last minute vote bombs Original Name to put him into the finals The Theory: Alright, I want you to pretend you are on the scum team and think from a team planning and chatting in the obs QT while you read this. Looking at day 1 and the facts we have, I think its pretty obvious hopeless1der is town. I thought he was scummy, for his posts, but after thinking of this and unable to answer the question with any confidence I have come to the conclusion he is town. In the semi finals, Hopeless1der was set to move on to the finals over Original Name until EchelonTee last minute voted him through. Scum could not have foreseen this happening. Therefore scum wanted Hopeless1der in the finals to be against Sandroba . I think this was an attempt to get a guarenteed mislynch. It is the only situation in my mind that makes any sense whatsoever. If both Hopeless1der and Original Name were scum, the scum team would have had to make a decision, who was less of an asset to their team. Who could they afford to bus? The obvious answer to this question is Original Name. Why? Because Original Name was guarenteed to be a lynch contender for the rest of the game, and would eventually be killed. However, this was not the case, as scum clearly wanted hopeless1der through, until EchelonTee ruined their plan. Do you think if hopeless1der was scum they would send him against Sandroba hoping he could win out? Very doubtful. It woulda been the same sort of case, "well they both look scummy, not sold on either, so lets be safe and not lynch the vet Sandroba ". If you cannot make sense of this round with hopeless1der being scum, or think of logical (likely) scum motivation for sending Hopeless1der over Original Name. If it doesn't make sense, than it probably isn't true. Therefore: Hopeless1der > Hopeless Now, I need to re-read the Hopeless1der vs Original Name matchup because I think scum was trying to send hopeless1der through to save Original Name. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I'm also going to assume that we have 3 mafia players in this game. And here is what I've found while reading the game. These are statements made by Sandroba and ET the night where they were killed. We have straightforward posts from both of them. On October 14 2012 16:57 sandroba wrote: Just lynch da0ud, then prplhz, then you figure the rest out if the game is not over. On October 16 2012 14:19 EchelonTee wrote: need to lynch da0ud. tunneling is not an inherently bad thing. Another way to phrase it is "focusing on someone you think is scum and getting them lynched". Calling kush scummy for tunneling doesn't make sense. Tunneling is an inherent part of playing the game, unless you enjoy being unfocused. Let's make the assumption that daoud is a scum newbie + Show Spoiler + So there is ON, daoud and one unlucky guy in the scumteam. In this case, the killings of Sandroba and ET may have been motivated by a surviving strategy. ON has been lynched D1 and the team wants to protect daoud from a lynch. I can imagine such a strategy from the mafia scumteam, especially when things start to look bad when ON advances to the final. But imagine now that you are the last mafia, this one unlucky guy
There is only one possibility and you know it, this one unlucky guy has to be kush in this case. (This is just a joke, kush has been terribad as scum in my last newbie, no hard feelings kush <3) Let's make the assumption that daoud is a town newbie + Show Spoiler + I know it's bad but let's imagine that you are the mafia right now. You and your evil mafia partner have been noticing how easily you could push a mislynch on daoud or prplhz after their unfortunate votes on Sandroba. His last will post is just a gift from the gods to achieve your evil plans and you do not hesitate to kill this guy who would have been a pain in the ass anyway. After a wearisome D1 where one of your partner have been lynched for inactivity, you just have to post "lol, daoud and prplhz so scum, just pass the potato to each other, gg" (everybody did it, maybe some irritating guy like mementoss was trying to say something else but you weren't paying attention anyway because you were on holidays) And there you are, N2, and you discover another gift of the gods in the last will of the unfortunate ET. Kill this guy, push a mislynch on the newbie (hello Hopeless) and it's almost gg. I know there is a lot of speculation about the actions of the mafia in this post. But the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. I would really appreciate some feedback on this because I don't know if I'm just wasting my time thinking about why the mafia have killed Sandro and ET. But right now, I'm pretty sure daoud would be a mislynch and I would really like to convince you so. While writing this post, I've realized that people that are attacking daoud right now might be the bad guys (Hopeless and maybe kush also). And that Mementoss behavior during D2 was very much town. So I'm going to update my ranking ##Vote 1 Hopeless 2 Hiro 3 Kush 4 Austin 5 Mementoss 6 Daoud 7 Thrawn 8 Djodref Regarding my current ranking on kush, it's going to change depending on his promised elaborated cases against thrawn and me. I'm going to check Austin's filter right now. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On October 17 2012 15:49 da0ud wrote: Update : 1) Thrawn 2) Hopeless 3) Mementoss 4) Austin 5) Hiro 6) Djo 7) Kush 8) Da0ud With my most recent conclusion, this list looks horribly scummy. 1) 2nd best town read 2) 1st best town read 3) Confirmed Town (from my perspective) Not sure if really really wrong/bad, or scum trying really hard to push a mislynch. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
so correct me if i'm getting this wrong but the logic works out to be like this: ON is scum. Sand is town. Scum don't want a scum in the finals. That;s why hopleess was originally set to advance instead of ON. We know this because it was ET who pushed ON into the finals, and ET is town. If hopeless and ON were both scum, then scum should have been bussing ON because he would have been the less detrimental loss. It would have made no sense for scum to push a scum hopeless into finals rather than a scum ON. Therefore the scum plan was to move hopeless (who is town) into the finals? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
Hopeless vs OriginalName 15-12 sandroba vs djodref 4-0 To me that very clearly suggests scum activity behind the hopeless vs ON matchup... and the two who voted for hopeless were kush/djo. I suggest everyone go and read the r3 part of the thread. I see only three possible scenarios: A) there is scum among kush/djo B) hopeless took the lead against ON on accident without scum interference C) if hopeless is scum then for some reason scum decided they'd rather have hopeless in the finals instead on ON I really think there is something too all this but lets please keep the discussion from reaching wifom insanity | ||
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