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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
On January 13 2012 00:42 Bluelightz wrote: I'm gonna sleep now guys gonna make a case on someone when i get back from school As mentioned by Dirkzor(who is still think is an angel), this is a very bad...bad....bad post. A case... on... someone. You don't have anything on anyone? Scummy. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On January 11 2012 16:37 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: As a side note, I read a few of the tyrran analysis and I found them well reasoned, I will try to give my own thoughts on it tomorrow. On January 12 2012 17:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: So what happened to this?just got home, F5'd and saw the lynch. I will get out my analysis before the day post tomorrow, hopefully I can get some done before work tomorrow, but if not after 6pm EST I will be home trying to get some shit done. On an unrelated note, if anyone likes medieval art and lives around NYC, fort tryson has a pretty cool renaissance collection that I checked out today. It's called The Cloisters and going to it gives you admittance to MET as well during the same day. Remember way back at the start of the game, where I made a distinction between inactives and lurkers? A lurker is someone who comes in, makes a useless post to appease everyone, and then leaves again, continuing this as necessary to keep pressure off themselves. Who does this sound like? So far, RoL has yet to contribute any original analysis, or even thoughts, on other players. So far he's said he agrees with analysis on Erandorr, Tyrran, and risk.nuke, but he doesn't actually give any additional reasons for thinking they're scummy (except one for risk.nuke, and that was his only reason). Beyond that, it seems like he doesn't say anything about any other player. Regarding his plan. For me, it seems like he never cared much about it. This might sound weird, because most of his posts are about it, but he isn't actually pushing people to put it into action. He argues often about its merits, but he's not actually trying very hard (or at least exerting the same effort) to implement it. This is weird, for someone most of the town is convinced believes strongly in his plan. So, RoL continues to make excuses. He continues to not talk about other players in the game. He focuses on a plan that he doesn't actually push to get put into action.These don't exactly scream town to me. Once again, a good shot or check for tonight. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
and everyone else what's with the inactivity? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On January 10 2012 15:05 Blazinghand wrote: Both of those guys are also scum so it's not really useful to talk to them On January 10 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote: I think risk is scum and I need to read tyrran's filter So first you called them both scum and then 10 minutes later you have to read Tyrran's filter to answer. You never posted your thoughts on Tyrran after that. You have done absolutely nothing in the last few days. I'd read the rest of your filter but it's a bit too taunting to bother right now, but just the above peculiarity is starting to make me wonder if your scum play too resembles that of WBGs. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On January 13 2012 02:56 syllogism wrote: I can't believe I somehow had missed this So first you called them both scum and then 10 minutes later you have to read Tyrran's filter to answer. You never posted your thoughts on Tyrran after that. You have done absolutely nothing in the last few days. I'd read the rest of your filter but it's a bit too taunting to bother right now, but just the above peculiarity is starting to make me wonder if your scum play too resembles that of WBGs. I didn't say i was gonna read tyrran's filter, just that i need to if I want to make a read. And honestly, I haven't read tyrran's filter, and when I feel like it, I'll make a read on him. At the moment, though, that's completely non-relevant to my interests. You know why? Because I've already got a target that I'm 100% sure is scum, and I will push him until he gets lynched. That's all that matters now. I literally don't give a dick about what other people are because at the moment we need to kill RoL. He's obvious scum and the fact that people are unwilling to lynch him despite the fact that he's literally done nothing useful all game is disheartening at best. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
Don't half-ass it. Make your case, if you really think it exists. If you don't, you're either a lazy worthless town or a scum player stirring shit. #ComeAtMeBro | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On January 13 2012 03:27 syllogism wrote: Oh another instant delurker. Your case is incredibly bad whether RoL is scum or not and thus it's extremely difficult to believe your confidence is genuine Are you kidding me? No, you're just not reading it. RoL's plan is bad. If he believed in his plan, he'd be pushing it right now! THINK ABOUT IT. The plan applies as long as no masked flips have happened yet, now on N2 is our last chance to implement it. He's obvious scum pushing a shitty plan to get a couple VT claims. God, it's like you don't even bother making reads. Or like you're his scumbuddy. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On January 13 2012 03:30 syllogism wrote: You hadn't read tyrran's filter, but you called him scum. You still haven't read his filter, but you call him scum. ??? No response to my questions I see, just dodging. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On January 13 2012 03:30 syllogism wrote: You hadn't read tyrran's filter, but you called him scum. You still haven't read his filter, but you call him scum. "hi my name is syllogism and I'm trying to make a case against blazinghand, but because I'm scum I won't actually make one, and instead just say random stuff" <--- this is you, syllogism | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
On January 12 2012 23:20 Tyrran wrote: Okay, I've been asked to make a case, So i'm going to explain here why HarbingerofDoom, despite his name, is an angel. Yes he has been active, and has been tunneling me. Some people migth think that this may him looks town. However, in a three faction game, and especially in this setup, the main goal of ANY faction, is to get rid of the other faction. Therefore, it is quite important for bot angels and demon to scumhunt and get the other faction lynched. I'm going to add something else about the setup that everyone should have realized: Demons wins by corrupting town and lynching angels, Angels win by killing everyone. This means that each time a VT is lynched, it is a failure for demons as well, not only for town. They lose a potential corrupt target, and more importantly they failed to prevent angels from getting closer of winning. Angels on the other hand do not care. Sure they would have prefered to get a demon or blue, but they still have chances to get them with slay and stalk. So my conclusion here is while it is important to properly scumhunt as Demon, Angels can just tunnel someone and be fine with it. If they get their target lynched : best case they killed a blue/demon, worst case a townie, but they are still one step closer to victory. Im not going to focus on Jackal, but the same holds for him : HoD and Jackal have done nothing but tunnelling this game. HoD on me, Jackal on Palmar then Dirzkor. Not only that, but they had NO INTEREST at all about the player that was getting lyched. Here are some example : Day 1 : main Target are risk/palmar/Erandorr Yup, lynch are fine. TUNNEL TYRRAN. Day 2 : Its obvious lycnh are going to be risk or RoL Every day i'm tunnelling... Secondly, his post are full of contradiction, which are for me one of the biggest scumtell. So he tunnels me based on a 1-game Meta, but still admits that meta lynch are unreliable. Wut ? Of course he doesnt want a no-lynch to occurs, that's pretty mach the only bad outcome for angels at the end of day 1. Secondly, notice the "it is my understanding". He was the one to call for a Erandorr lynch based on meta. Yet this makes him look like he wasnt. Thirdly : His reaction after Nigth one is strange, and deceptive. I think you all remember on how his being the AoD is a possibility. Well his reaction after Why does being sent to purgatory bother him? I mean, any regular townie would have been happy to be sent to purgatory as it makes you immune to any nigth actions. So this post alone makes me think that HoD is at least a blue, more likely and angel. Okay, this post is just full of bullshit. I can see plenty of reason for demon to roleblock angels. His post focus on why demons would try to save palmar. The goal of demons is not only to save themself, they also have to prevent angels to win. Banishing them is a good move in this regard as they have a high chance of reducing their KP ( as I stated before, any angel hit, be it town or demon,is actually bad for demon). Secondly you once again makes it sound like angels do not want to target demons. This is plain wrong. They want to get rid of demons. Demons are at least as dangerous for angels than blues. Channeler and courrier have the same ability to RB them, and twister is an anti angel doctor. On the other hand, going for blue gives the risk of killing the demon hunter which is basically working for them early game. You also make it look like angels would not target palmar because he could be lynched day 2. I do not agree. If they have a strong demon read on someone, i think angels would go for it. For once because they cannot be sure that he will be lynched next day ( it could very well have been risk or RoL over palmar again), and secondly because they was no corrupted town yet, finding a blue would be difficult. So because his plays correspond perfectly on how I think angels would play, because he contradict himself, and because he keeps telling shit about angel strategy, I think he is an angel himself. And I think we shoud lynch him tomorrow. Anyway, my lunch break was a bit longer that it should have been, will be back later tonigth. So your case seems to largely revolve around me tunneling you, which is interesting because that doesn't say much about alignment, and if you want to bring meta into it, feel free to look at my play in Election Mafia (as TotallyNotTwoPeople) and Steamship - here's a hint, I focus on the person I think is scummiest. You also conveniently snipped out the part of that post where I talk about other people and pretty well prove I have been extensively reading the thread/filters instead of just tunneling. As for the lack of interest in the person being lynched, that is pure bullshit. I've been pushing you for the lynch, and if you ctrl+f my filter for mentions of Risk, I talk about him plenty. And yes, I have only played one game with Erandorr and he was part of a hydra that game, so I qualified it with "from what I know about him". So he tunnels me based on a 1-game Meta, but still admits that meta lynch are unreliable. Wut ? Already addressed in my filter, but apparently you aren't really reading it. Meta ON RISK is pretty useless because his play style varies so much every game, which as I have already stated IS NOT THE NORM for most players. I also already stated that your actions would be scummy even without accounting for meta. You also say my posts are full of contradiction and then that is the only example you cite. Care to point out the others? What in the fuck? Why does being sent to purgatory bother him? I mean, any regular townie would have been happy to be sent to purgatory as it makes you immune to any nigth actions. So this post alone makes me think that HoD is at least a blue, more likely and angel. Fun tidbit about me - I use "what in the fuck" for confusion, "what the fuck" for annoyance/anger/etc. You might be able to look up other uses of this through my profile, but you might just have to take my word on it. A quick check shows I have used both once in this game so far. Being sent to purgatory didn't bother me, it confused me. I wasn't exactly fearful of night actions night one, I've never been shot night one, demons couldn't corrupt night one, and why would I care if I get investigated? That would just help me prove my innocence. His post focus on why demons would try to save palmar. The goal of demons is not only to save themself, they also have to prevent angels to win. Banishing them is a good move in this regard as they have a high chance of reducing their KP ( as I stated before, any angel hit, be it town or demon,is actually bad for demon). If you think this, I don't know what to tell you. Say a day starts with 1 corrupted town, 3 demons, and 3 angels. In this situation, demons win nearly 100% of the time. Given the fact that there are investigative roles and an anti-corruption role, demons are definitely not looking to drag this game out more than they have to so long as those roles are still alive.Secondly you once again makes it sound like angels do not want to target demons. This is plain wrong. They want to get rid of demons. Demons are at least as dangerous for angels than blues. Channeler and courrier have the same ability to RB them, and twister is an anti angel doctor. On the other hand, going for blue gives the risk of killing the demon hunter which is basically working for them early game. If the demon hunter hits someone, they live, and they weren't banished to purgatory, he knows that person is an angel - no exceptions. He is not working for the angels, he is nearly as anti-angel as he is anti-demon. This has already been pointed out as well. I also don't see how they could find demons to be a bigger threat early game than town. The channeler, seer, and demon hunter combined have about as much anti-angel ability as the entire demon team...and then you have 1 more blue and a bunch of vanillas as well for town. The only way they might consider town less dangerous is the lack of coordination. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Make actual arguments and criticsms. Realise that you will not be right all of the time. Stop the tunnelling. Grow a pair. | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
Based on what I have seen of his play/thoughts on other games, I think Blazinghand may genuinely believe his case on RoL is good. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On January 13 2012 03:37 layabout wrote: Blazinghand please stop being an idiot. Make actual arguments and criticsms. Realise that you will not be right all of the time. Stop the tunnelling. Grow a pair. >no you're an idiot >um what >I'm not right all of the time, see E-dawg >I'm gonna push RoL because he's scum. The fact that you're blind to the truth doesn't mean i'm tunneling >no u | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On January 13 2012 03:38 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: @Syllo Based on what I have seen of his play/thoughts on other games, I think Blazinghand may genuinely believe his case on RoL is good. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I BELIEVE. What matters is that it *IS* objectively a good case. God what is iit with you people and belief Look RoL obviously scum, why isnt' he pushing his plan RIGHT NOW. WHY ISN'T ROL PUSHING HIS PLAN RIGHT NOW THATS RIGHT HES SCUM AND ITS A SHITTY PLAN | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On January 13 2012 03:40 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Maybe he isn't pushing his plan because we already overwhelmingly rejected it? But then why was he defending it so hard during the day when it didn't matter? No, he pushed his plan during d2, but not now during the night. Even more damning evidence atop a veritable mountain of damning evidence. | ||
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