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On January 13 2012 04:43 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 04:29 Blazinghand wrote:On January 13 2012 04:27 Dirkzor wrote:
Why is the roleclaiming plan better during night then it is during the day? It makes no real difference. I think it would be the other way around because the claiming could give us a good lynch target (The contradicting blues or one of the VT if only 4 blue claimed) Um, look dude the issue is that chance are the AoD's gonna do a masked kill tonight, right? After a masked kill RoL's plan no longer works. This is his last chance to push it. Where has he been? You kinda pointed out that the time to roleclaim was now during the night. What i meant was that it doesn't matter if we roleclaimed on day 2 or night 2. The difference is that it would have been better to roleclaim day 2 so we had an extra lynch. And he stopped pushing for the plan when almost everyone said it was a bad idea. Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 04:27 Dirkzor wrote:
About whether the blues only should claim. Hmm... It wouldn't really make a difference if town decided to actaully do the plan, since everyone who did not claim bluerole would be VT. During the time where not everyone had claimed it would have made a difference yes, but not such a big deal that it paints him as the big red target that you make him out to be.
The issue here is that he spent 3 days thinking of his plan and doing nothing, and claims he's solved the setup, when he hasn't, and it's not even the best version of his plan. I didn't spend 3 days thinking of his plan and that's a fairly obvious flaw in it. And if his plan comes off in a half-banked manner like it did this time? And a couple VTs claim, but no blues? scumteam gets hella info. Doesn't that seem like a porblem for you? Yeah it is a problem if only VT claimed. That would have been bad. But people aren't stupid, so unless town agreed-ish to do this no one would claim unless they were/are morons. Risk claimed, and i think he did so partly for the reason he wrote and partly because he know if was a potential lynch target. Everyone else would not have claimed unless town agreed to do so. So yes the idea to make VT claim was faulty by it self, but the logic i just pointed out would have been made by anyone with half a brain. So thats why i think its unlikely he proposed his plan to deliberatly pull out VT's.
RoL claimed VT with his post starting the plan, or did you ignore this? Does that make him a moron in your eyes? Also, there's still no reason for VT's to claim, why would there be? It just spams up the thread, adds nothing to it, and opens the possibility of Blues fake-claiming, which according to the plan itself, is bad.
Here's a question for everyone who seems reticent to lynch/kill RoL:
Why do you want to keep him alive?
If you say because he's a good player, that's a terrible reason. You don't keep people alive because of their opportunity values, especially when their posting indicates they don't care about the town, and they have done nothing to prove their worth in this game.
If you say it's because you think there's better people to lynch, that's a terrible reason as well, because then you shouldn't want to keep RoL alive, you should just want to kill him after your other targets. If you think there's a better lynch, then push it, but it doesn't mean that you have to defend other lynch targets, unless you think they are town.
Do you think he's town? Then answer this question: Why? Give me a complete answer too, and know that making a plan, halfheartedly pushing it, and doing nothing else isn't pro-town.
@Jackal: What do you think of RoL's play so far?
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On January 13 2012 02:38 layabout wrote:
Wiggles why did you just publicly announce that you think it would be good to check or shoot RibirthOfLeGenD?
and everyone else what's with the inactivity?
Because I want him shot tonight by the DH. He probably won't flip, though, as I get the feeling he's an angel more than a demon, so the seer can potentially check him as well. It also solves the problem of having to convince people to lynch him if he flips demon, as most people seem very reluctant to push anyone who they see as a "vet".
@Blazinghand, you still haven't responded to the contradiction that Syllogism pointed out in your posting. Do so.
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Blazinghand
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On January 13 2012 06:42 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 02:38 layabout wrote:
Wiggles why did you just publicly announce that you think it would be good to check or shoot RibirthOfLeGenD?
and everyone else what's with the inactivity?
Because I want him shot tonight by the DH. He probably won't flip, though, as I get the feeling he's an angel more than a demon, so the seer can potentially check him as well. It also solves the problem of having to convince people to lynch him if he flips demon, as most people seem very reluctant to push anyone who they see as a "vet". @Blazinghand, you still haven't responded to the contradiction that Syllogism pointed out in your posting. Do so.
On January 13 2012 02:56 syllogism wrote:I can't believe I somehow had missed this Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:05 Blazinghand wrote:On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?
Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.
So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it. Both of those guys are also scum so it's not really useful to talk to them Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I think risk is scum and I need to read tyrran's filter So first you called them both scum and then 10 minutes later you have to read Tyrran's filter to answer. You never posted your thoughts on Tyrran after that. You have done absolutely nothing in the last few days. I'd read the rest of your filter but it's a bit too taunting to bother right now, but just the above peculiarity is starting to make me wonder if your scum play too resembles that of WBGs.
I called tyran scum because he strikes me as scum. I haven't read his filter and therefore cannot make a case for him. That doesn't mean I haven't read all his posts-- I read the thread itself. If you ask me to make a read on Tyrran right now without reading his filter I will call him scum. If you ask me to present a case on Tyrran and make my read, it will take some time. I am in the process of doing so right now. I haven't read his filter.
But he looks like scum to me.
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Blazinghand
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90% of my posts in this thread are
step 1) read some person's post
step 2) think for 4-5 seconds
step 3) respond with 1-2 lines of text
the other 10% of my posts are
step 1) spend several hours reading someone's filter and putting together a comprehensive case on them
step 2) think for 45 minutes
step 3) present case
In my initial post in which I said "these two guys are scum" i was like "man these two guys are scum, sounds legit, hit post button"
If you really want a good Tyrran opinion from me though I don't have one yet-- just my ininformed 1-liner opinion.
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I think he is likely mafia by this point, though probably not the absolutely best lynch. I do not think he is mafia due to the awful plan, but rather for being otherwise completely worthless and disinterested. I imagine Grackaroni, cwave, spaackle, tyrran, Jackal is scum infested too. Jackal's tone is okay, and that is usually the easiest way to spot his scum play, but he is still just lurking and tunnelling a different person every day.
Pretty much impossible to tell what bluelightz is; I even tried to look at his non-mafia posts to see if he could really act like this as town but there were none. I suppose the fact he is always making himself available to questions is something. I haven't put any effort into the game today and thus haven't reread the filters to see what would make sense in terms of connections.
While I'm not going to bother reading Blazing's filter, I'm just going to assume that his mafia play wouldn't look like this, despite how little sense he makes. Also someone who I'm just going to start ignoring every game.
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Blazinghand
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On January 13 2012 06:54 syllogism wrote:
While I'm not going to bother reading Blazing's filter, I'm just going to assume that his mafia play wouldn't look like this, despite how little sense he makes. Also someone who I'm just going to start ignoring every game.
._. cmon man. You can't just assume my mafia play wouldn't look like this-- you don't even know what my mafia play looks like. What if I'm mafia? dont' be lazy.
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Blazinghand
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On January 13 2012 06:54 syllogism wrote:
I think he is likely mafia by this point, though probably not the absolutely best lynch. I do not think he is mafia due to the awful plan, but rather for being otherwise completely worthless and disinterested. I imagine Grackaroni, cwave, spaackle, tyrran, Jackal is scum infested too. Jackal's tone is okay, and that is usually the easiest way to spot his scum play, but he is still just lurking and tunnelling a different person every day.
If you think he's not the best lynch, who is? I think RoL is the best lynch, but I've been open to new ideas before.
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On January 13 2012 06:56 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 06:54 syllogism wrote:
While I'm not going to bother reading Blazing's filter, I'm just going to assume that his mafia play wouldn't look like this, despite how little sense he makes. Also someone who I'm just going to start ignoring every game. ._. cmon man. You can't just assume my mafia play wouldn't look like this-- you don't even know what my mafia play looks like. What if I'm mafia? dont' be lazy.
Also man way to be a dick. Like, no need to be like "i'm just gonna ignore this guy every game" when apparently you agree with me on RoL.
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Honestly, I'm getting pretty tired of RoL saying he's busy and disappearing for stretches of a time. If he dosen't start giving us some reads and scumhunting I am actually fine with lynching him tomorrow.
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On January 13 2012 07:15 Refallen wrote:
Honestly, I'm getting pretty tired of RoL saying he's busy and disappearing for stretches of a time. If he dosen't start giving us some reads and scumhunting I am actually fine with lynching him tomorrow.
<3
Honestly though he's had so many chances to be useful and he has not been. This game's been going for like 10 IRL days.
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On January 13 2012 06:54 syllogism wrote:
I think he is likely mafia by this point, though probably not the absolutely best lynch. I do not think he is mafia due to the awful plan, but rather for being otherwise completely worthless and disinterested. I imagine Grackaroni, cwave, spaackle, tyrran, Jackal is scum infested too. Jackal's tone is okay, and that is usually the easiest way to spot his scum play, but he is still just lurking and tunnelling a different person every day.
Pretty much impossible to tell what bluelightz is; I even tried to look at his non-mafia posts to see if he could really act like this as town but there were none. I suppose the fact he is always making himself available to questions is something. I haven't put any effort into the game today and thus haven't reread the filters to see what would make sense in terms of connections.
While I'm not going to bother reading Blazing's filter, I'm just going to assume that his mafia play wouldn't look like this, despite how little sense he makes. Also someone who I'm just going to start ignoring every game.
The way you keep threading around RoL is getting ackward. Scumbuddy much?
And the way you keep saying alot and ordering people around without doing anything yourself is getting very very scummy.
Who do you want to lynch? Don't go into flufftexts like what you typed above. You just named 8 people in the post without really going into dept. 8! -.-
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On January 13 2012 07:23 Cwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 06:54 syllogism wrote:
I think he is likely mafia by this point, though probably not the absolutely best lynch. I do not think he is mafia due to the awful plan, but rather for being otherwise completely worthless and disinterested. I imagine Grackaroni, cwave, spaackle, tyrran, Jackal is scum infested too. Jackal's tone is okay, and that is usually the easiest way to spot his scum play, but he is still just lurking and tunnelling a different person every day.
Pretty much impossible to tell what bluelightz is; I even tried to look at his non-mafia posts to see if he could really act like this as town but there were none. I suppose the fact he is always making himself available to questions is something. I haven't put any effort into the game today and thus haven't reread the filters to see what would make sense in terms of connections.
While I'm not going to bother reading Blazing's filter, I'm just going to assume that his mafia play wouldn't look like this, despite how little sense he makes. Also someone who I'm just going to start ignoring every game. The way you keep threading around RoL is getting ackward. Scumbuddy much? And the way you keep saying alot and ordering people around without doing anything yourself is getting very very scummy. Who do you want to lynch? Don't go into flufftexts like what you typed above. You just named 8 people in the post without really going into dept. 8! -.-
Cwave, are you going to be lynching RoL tomorrow? I still really don't like you leaving your vote on RoL only to voteswitch to risk.nuke after getting called out on it.
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RoL is gonna hang tomorrow.
Unless Syllo or HoD goes into the purgatory again and there is no AoD hit.
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For the record, I do not want to survive the night
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On January 13 2012 07:30 Cwave wrote:
RoL is gonna hang tomorrow.
Unless Syllo or HoD goes into the purgatory again and there is no AoD hit.
Honestly, I think syllo is one of my strongest (and only) town reads this game, along with blazhinghand. If he gets sent to purgatory and AoD dosen't hit , it isn't too far fetched to say that he was simply targetted again.
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On January 13 2012 07:33 Refallen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 07:30 Cwave wrote:
RoL is gonna hang tomorrow.
Unless Syllo or HoD goes into the purgatory again and there is no AoD hit. Honestly, I think syllo is one of my strongest (and only) town reads this game, along with blazhinghand. If he gets sent to purgatory and AoD dosen't hit , it isn't too far fetched to say that he was simply targetted again.
That's a fair point. That being said, it's fairly unlikely that such a thing will happen.
As a side note, we don't want corrupted town to claim, right? But if that's the case, wouldn't it be obvious they were corrupted just because they'd be like voting not they way they want to vote?
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On January 13 2012 07:32 syllogism wrote:
For the record, I do not want to survive the night
Given that we all implicitly softclaim VT by not claiming Blue, this is a reasonable statement for any person in this thread to make. As a VT, if you get the mafia to burn their shots/roleblocks (or both!) on you because you're being too helpful, then you've done some good work, and bought your blues another night.
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On January 13 2012 07:37 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 07:32 syllogism wrote:
For the record, I do not want to survive the night Given that we all implicitly softclaim VT by not claiming Blue, this is a reasonable statement for any person in this thread to make. As a VT, if you get the mafia to burn their shots/roleblocks (or both!) on you because you're being too helpful, then you've done some good work, and bought your blues another night.
No it is not a reasonable statement?! This is a 3 faction game, there are 2 scum teams... You want scum to die, whatever scumfaction that is. You don't want "VT's to take hits" when there are 2 scums teams out there.
What the hell/heaven is this... -.-
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On January 12 2012 12:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Grackaroni, Spaackle, Cwave
I would like to hear a couple scum reads from each of you, along with brief explanations.
@Jackal
Zbot can count votes from a thread, not sure why Zona chose to use PM's for voting for this game (maybe because of the corrupted town deal?), but so be it. That thing is still fucking cool.
I think that RoL is scummy, and I've already explained a bit on him earlier. He is putting a lot of time into the game but not in scumhunting but instead in making an anti-town plan.
Spaackle is also probably scum.
On January 08 2012 11:30 Spaackle wrote:Palmar:Filter (clicky)1) Get Information -- Palmar has been pretty active in this goal. He's been putting forth a lots of questions (even if no one answers them). He also pressured Bluelightz for a good while, trying to get an actual response out of him. He's also been putting lots of pressure on Wiggles, but this was mostly in response to Wiggles' accusation of him. I'd like to see a bit more justification out of him though. 2) Create an Atmosphere -- Palmar has been acting pretty town here too. He's been answering questions, and in turn posing many more. His posting hasn't been very reactionary, and for the most part, he's been trying to keep the town discussing relevant subjects. 3) Figure out Plans -- As I said in the risk.nuke analysis, there's hasn't been much of this in this game. Palmar is one of the closest to actually doing this. He's been trying to keep discussion relevant, and I guess this eventually leads to plans. Palmar is looking like a townie to me, but don't stop watching him.
His way of coming to the conclusion that Palmar is town looks suspect to me. He says he hasn't been very reactionary but Palmar only showed up when a case was made against him by Wiggles. His pressure on bluelightz was just a way of pretending to be participating. I just don't know how you could confidently jump to the conclusion that Palmar is town from the information he was giving.
He also shows a lot of wishy-washyness during the RoL lynch.
And of course he is lurking.
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