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On January 13 2012 03:34 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +His post focus on why demons would try to save palmar. The goal of demons is not only to save themself, they also have to prevent angels to win. Banishing them is a good move in this regard as they have a high chance of reducing their KP ( as I stated before, any angel hit, be it town or demon,is actually bad for demon). If you think this, I don't know what to tell you. Say a day starts with 1 corrupted town, 3 demons, and 3 angels. In this situation, demons win nearly 100% of the time. Given the fact that there are investigative roles and an anti-corruption role, demons are definitely not looking to drag this game out more than they have to so long as those roles are still alive.
What in the fuck?
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Blazinghand
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Syllo isn't responding to my valid critiques of his posting. Hopefully he's actually putting together a case.
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I will almost certainly regret this
after this post
+ Show Spoiler +On January 13 2012 02:56 syllogism wrote:I can't believe I somehow had missed this Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:05 Blazinghand wrote:On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?
Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.
So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it. Both of those guys are also scum so it's not really useful to talk to them Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I think risk is scum and I need to read tyrran's filter So first you called them both scum and then 10 minutes later you have to read Tyrran's filter to answer. You never posted your thoughts on Tyrran after that. You have done absolutely nothing in the last few days. I'd read the rest of your filter but it's a bit too taunting to bother right now, but just the above peculiarity is starting to make me wonder if your scum play too resembles that of WBGs. On January 13 2012 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 02:56 syllogism wrote:I can't believe I somehow had missed this On January 10 2012 15:05 Blazinghand wrote:On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?
Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.
So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it. Both of those guys are also scum so it's not really useful to talk to them On January 10 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I think risk is scum and I need to read tyrran's filter So first you called them both scum and then 10 minutes later you have to read Tyrran's filter to answer. You never posted your thoughts on Tyrran after that. You have done absolutely nothing in the last few days. I'd read the rest of your filter but it's a bit too taunting to bother right now, but just the above peculiarity is starting to make me wonder if your scum play too resembles that of WBGs. I didn't say i was gonna read tyrran's filter, just that i need to if I want to make a read. And honestly, I haven't read tyrran's filter, and when I feel like it, I'll make a read on him. At the moment, though, that's completely non-relevant to my interests. You know why? Because I've already got a target that I'm 100% sure is scum, and I will push him until he gets lynched. That's all that matters now. I literally don't give a dick about what other people are because at the moment we need to kill RoL. He's obvious scum and the fact that people are unwilling to lynch him despite the fact that he's literally done nothing useful all game is disheartening at best. On January 13 2012 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:
Also tyrran is probs scum On January 13 2012 03:27 syllogism wrote:
Oh another instant delurker. Your case is incredibly bad whether RoL is scum or not and thus it's extremely difficult to believe your confidence is genuine On January 13 2012 03:28 Blazinghand wrote:
Also if you have a case to make against me, read my filter and make it. If I'm scum, you need to put together a comprehensive case. My filter is large, but that shouldn't be daunting-- there should be a plethora of evidence for you to find. Also my filter isn't THAT large.
Don't half-ass it. Make your case, if you really think it exists. If you don't, you're either a lazy worthless town or a scum player stirring shit.
#ComeAtMeBro On January 13 2012 03:29 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:27 syllogism wrote:
Oh another instant delurker. Your case is incredibly bad whether RoL is scum or not and thus it's extremely difficult to believe your confidence is genuine Are you kidding me? No, you're just not reading it. RoL's plan is bad. If he believed in his plan, he'd be pushing it right now! THINK ABOUT IT. The plan applies as long as no masked flips have happened yet, now on N2 is our last chance to implement it. He's obvious scum pushing a shitty plan to get a couple VT claims. God, it's like you don't even bother making reads. Or like you're his scumbuddy. On January 13 2012 03:30 syllogism wrote:
You hadn't read tyrran's filter, but you called him scum. You still haven't read his filter, but you call him scum. On January 13 2012 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:30 syllogism wrote:
You hadn't read tyrran's filter, but you called him scum. You still haven't read his filter, but you call him scum. ??? No response to my questions I see, just dodging. On January 13 2012 03:31 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:30 syllogism wrote:
You hadn't read tyrran's filter, but you called him scum. You still haven't read his filter, but you call him scum. "hi my name is syllogism and I'm trying to make a case against blazinghand, but because I'm scum I won't actually make one, and instead just say random stuff" <--- this is you, syllogism On January 13 2012 03:34 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah dont got nothing to say to that do ya On January 13 2012 03:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:38 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Syllo
Based on what I have seen of his play/thoughts on other games, I think Blazinghand may genuinely believe his case on RoL is good. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I BELIEVE. What matters is that it *IS* objectively a good case. God what is iit with you people and belief Look RoL obviously scum, why isnt' he pushing his plan RIGHT NOW. WHY ISN'T ROL PUSHING HIS PLAN RIGHT NOW THATS RIGHT HES SCUM AND ITS A SHITTY PLAN
@Anybody that isn't Blazinghand
What the flying fuck do you think Blazing hand is doing here?
Do you think he makes any valid points at all?
Do you see any questions that he has asked that syllogism is dodging?
I will henceforth ignore Blazinghand
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Blazinghand, I think your case is bad. We can agree that RoL have been useless but so have others. The only real argument you have is that he proposed his plan deliberatly to hurt town which I find unlikely.
His reasons for not pushing the plan now is actually quite pro-town in my book since it would just hinder other discussion. And he may have different ways of pushing his case then posting the same thing over and over *cough* BH *cough*.
Either way, I have written it before and I'll do so again. I think RoL is a bad lynch. I would like to see him scumhunt soon though.
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Blazinghand
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On January 13 2012 04:16 layabout wrote:I will almost certainly regret this after this post+ Show Spoiler +On January 13 2012 02:56 syllogism wrote:I can't believe I somehow had missed this Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:05 Blazinghand wrote:On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?
Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.
So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it. Both of those guys are also scum so it's not really useful to talk to them Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I think risk is scum and I need to read tyrran's filter So first you called them both scum and then 10 minutes later you have to read Tyrran's filter to answer. You never posted your thoughts on Tyrran after that. You have done absolutely nothing in the last few days. I'd read the rest of your filter but it's a bit too taunting to bother right now, but just the above peculiarity is starting to make me wonder if your scum play too resembles that of WBGs. On January 13 2012 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 02:56 syllogism wrote:I can't believe I somehow had missed this On January 10 2012 15:05 Blazinghand wrote:On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?
Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.
So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it. Both of those guys are also scum so it's not really useful to talk to them On January 10 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I think risk is scum and I need to read tyrran's filter So first you called them both scum and then 10 minutes later you have to read Tyrran's filter to answer. You never posted your thoughts on Tyrran after that. You have done absolutely nothing in the last few days. I'd read the rest of your filter but it's a bit too taunting to bother right now, but just the above peculiarity is starting to make me wonder if your scum play too resembles that of WBGs. I didn't say i was gonna read tyrran's filter, just that i need to if I want to make a read. And honestly, I haven't read tyrran's filter, and when I feel like it, I'll make a read on him. At the moment, though, that's completely non-relevant to my interests. You know why? Because I've already got a target that I'm 100% sure is scum, and I will push him until he gets lynched. That's all that matters now. I literally don't give a dick about what other people are because at the moment we need to kill RoL. He's obvious scum and the fact that people are unwilling to lynch him despite the fact that he's literally done nothing useful all game is disheartening at best. On January 13 2012 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:
Also tyrran is probs scum On January 13 2012 03:27 syllogism wrote:
Oh another instant delurker. Your case is incredibly bad whether RoL is scum or not and thus it's extremely difficult to believe your confidence is genuine On January 13 2012 03:28 Blazinghand wrote:
Also if you have a case to make against me, read my filter and make it. If I'm scum, you need to put together a comprehensive case. My filter is large, but that shouldn't be daunting-- there should be a plethora of evidence for you to find. Also my filter isn't THAT large.
Don't half-ass it. Make your case, if you really think it exists. If you don't, you're either a lazy worthless town or a scum player stirring shit.
#ComeAtMeBro On January 13 2012 03:29 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:27 syllogism wrote:
Oh another instant delurker. Your case is incredibly bad whether RoL is scum or not and thus it's extremely difficult to believe your confidence is genuine Are you kidding me? No, you're just not reading it. RoL's plan is bad. If he believed in his plan, he'd be pushing it right now! THINK ABOUT IT. The plan applies as long as no masked flips have happened yet, now on N2 is our last chance to implement it. He's obvious scum pushing a shitty plan to get a couple VT claims. God, it's like you don't even bother making reads. Or like you're his scumbuddy. On January 13 2012 03:30 syllogism wrote:
You hadn't read tyrran's filter, but you called him scum. You still haven't read his filter, but you call him scum. On January 13 2012 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:30 syllogism wrote:
You hadn't read tyrran's filter, but you called him scum. You still haven't read his filter, but you call him scum. ??? No response to my questions I see, just dodging. On January 13 2012 03:31 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:30 syllogism wrote:
You hadn't read tyrran's filter, but you called him scum. You still haven't read his filter, but you call him scum. "hi my name is syllogism and I'm trying to make a case against blazinghand, but because I'm scum I won't actually make one, and instead just say random stuff" <--- this is you, syllogism On January 13 2012 03:34 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah dont got nothing to say to that do ya On January 13 2012 03:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:38 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Syllo
Based on what I have seen of his play/thoughts on other games, I think Blazinghand may genuinely believe his case on RoL is good. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I BELIEVE. What matters is that it *IS* objectively a good case. God what is iit with you people and belief Look RoL obviously scum, why isnt' he pushing his plan RIGHT NOW. WHY ISN'T ROL PUSHING HIS PLAN RIGHT NOW THATS RIGHT HES SCUM AND ITS A SHITTY PLAN @Anybody that isn't Blazinghand What the flying fuck do you think Blazing hand is doing here? Do you think he makes any valid points at all? Do you see any questions that he has asked that syllogism is dodging? I will henceforth ignore Blazinghand
Really? You think that's gonna help us out? Come on, man ._.
If you think I'm town, and you're ignoring me... what are you doing?
Ignore me if you think i'm 100% scum, sure. But if you think I'm scum, make a case for me being scum and push it.
And if you're not sure? If you think I may be town? I wouldn't be ignoring me.
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Blazinghand
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On January 13 2012 04:17 Dirkzor wrote:
Blazinghand, I think your case is bad. We can agree that RoL have been useless but so have others. The only real argument you have is that he proposed his plan deliberatly to hurt town which I find unlikely.
His reasons for not pushing the plan now is actually quite pro-town in my book since it would just hinder other discussion. And he may have different ways of pushing his case then posting the same thing over and over *cough* BH *cough*.
Either way, I have written it before and I'll do so again. I think RoL is a bad lynch. I would like to see him scumhunt soon though.
RoL hasn't scumhunted all game. IF he believed in his plan he'd be pushing it now because he can still iplement it. He's argued his plan all day, but why stop at night, when it's time to mass roleclaim?
Why use a sub-optimal version of the plan in which VTs claim, which hurts town?
You don't find that scummy?
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Blazinghand
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On January 13 2012 04:18 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 04:16 layabout wrote:I will almost certainly regret this after this post+ Show Spoiler +On January 13 2012 02:56 syllogism wrote:I can't believe I somehow had missed this Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:05 Blazinghand wrote:On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?
Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.
So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it. Both of those guys are also scum so it's not really useful to talk to them Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I think risk is scum and I need to read tyrran's filter So first you called them both scum and then 10 minutes later you have to read Tyrran's filter to answer. You never posted your thoughts on Tyrran after that. You have done absolutely nothing in the last few days. I'd read the rest of your filter but it's a bit too taunting to bother right now, but just the above peculiarity is starting to make me wonder if your scum play too resembles that of WBGs. On January 13 2012 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 02:56 syllogism wrote:I can't believe I somehow had missed this On January 10 2012 15:05 Blazinghand wrote:On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?
Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.
So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it. Both of those guys are also scum so it's not really useful to talk to them On January 10 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I think risk is scum and I need to read tyrran's filter So first you called them both scum and then 10 minutes later you have to read Tyrran's filter to answer. You never posted your thoughts on Tyrran after that. You have done absolutely nothing in the last few days. I'd read the rest of your filter but it's a bit too taunting to bother right now, but just the above peculiarity is starting to make me wonder if your scum play too resembles that of WBGs. I didn't say i was gonna read tyrran's filter, just that i need to if I want to make a read. And honestly, I haven't read tyrran's filter, and when I feel like it, I'll make a read on him. At the moment, though, that's completely non-relevant to my interests. You know why? Because I've already got a target that I'm 100% sure is scum, and I will push him until he gets lynched. That's all that matters now. I literally don't give a dick about what other people are because at the moment we need to kill RoL. He's obvious scum and the fact that people are unwilling to lynch him despite the fact that he's literally done nothing useful all game is disheartening at best. On January 13 2012 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:
Also tyrran is probs scum On January 13 2012 03:27 syllogism wrote:
Oh another instant delurker. Your case is incredibly bad whether RoL is scum or not and thus it's extremely difficult to believe your confidence is genuine On January 13 2012 03:28 Blazinghand wrote:
Also if you have a case to make against me, read my filter and make it. If I'm scum, you need to put together a comprehensive case. My filter is large, but that shouldn't be daunting-- there should be a plethora of evidence for you to find. Also my filter isn't THAT large.
Don't half-ass it. Make your case, if you really think it exists. If you don't, you're either a lazy worthless town or a scum player stirring shit.
#ComeAtMeBro On January 13 2012 03:29 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:27 syllogism wrote:
Oh another instant delurker. Your case is incredibly bad whether RoL is scum or not and thus it's extremely difficult to believe your confidence is genuine Are you kidding me? No, you're just not reading it. RoL's plan is bad. If he believed in his plan, he'd be pushing it right now! THINK ABOUT IT. The plan applies as long as no masked flips have happened yet, now on N2 is our last chance to implement it. He's obvious scum pushing a shitty plan to get a couple VT claims. God, it's like you don't even bother making reads. Or like you're his scumbuddy. On January 13 2012 03:30 syllogism wrote:
You hadn't read tyrran's filter, but you called him scum. You still haven't read his filter, but you call him scum. On January 13 2012 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:30 syllogism wrote:
You hadn't read tyrran's filter, but you called him scum. You still haven't read his filter, but you call him scum. ??? No response to my questions I see, just dodging. On January 13 2012 03:31 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:30 syllogism wrote:
You hadn't read tyrran's filter, but you called him scum. You still haven't read his filter, but you call him scum. "hi my name is syllogism and I'm trying to make a case against blazinghand, but because I'm scum I won't actually make one, and instead just say random stuff" <--- this is you, syllogism On January 13 2012 03:34 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah dont got nothing to say to that do ya On January 13 2012 03:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:38 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Syllo
Based on what I have seen of his play/thoughts on other games, I think Blazinghand may genuinely believe his case on RoL is good. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I BELIEVE. What matters is that it *IS* objectively a good case. God what is iit with you people and belief Look RoL obviously scum, why isnt' he pushing his plan RIGHT NOW. WHY ISN'T ROL PUSHING HIS PLAN RIGHT NOW THATS RIGHT HES SCUM AND ITS A SHITTY PLAN @Anybody that isn't Blazinghand What the flying fuck do you think Blazing hand is doing here? Do you think he makes any valid points at all? Do you see any questions that he has asked that syllogism is dodging? I will henceforth ignore Blazinghand Really? You think that's gonna help us out? Come on, man ._. If you think I'm town, and you're ignoring me... what are you doing? Ignore me if you think i'm 100% scum, sure. But if you think I'm scum, make a case for me being scum and push it. And if you're not sure? If you think I may be town? I wouldn't be ignoring me.
I seem to recall specifically stating at some point that we were not ostriches, and we do not have our heads in the sand. I guess I stand corrected.
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On January 13 2012 03:41 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:34 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:His post focus on why demons would try to save palmar. The goal of demons is not only to save themself, they also have to prevent angels to win. Banishing them is a good move in this regard as they have a high chance of reducing their KP ( as I stated before, any angel hit, be it town or demon,is actually bad for demon). If you think this, I don't know what to tell you. Say a day starts with 1 corrupted town, 3 demons, and 3 angels. In this situation, demons win nearly 100% of the time. Given the fact that there are investigative roles and an anti-corruption role, demons are definitely not looking to drag this game out more than they have to so long as those roles are still alive. What in the fuck?
What? He said an angel hit on a townie was bad for demons, and that is absolutely false. If demons get down to that scenario, they lynch an angel, 2/3 chance they remove a potential kp and win automatically. Then 1/3 chance they get the observer, then angels need to get both hits through the twisting/sending to purgatory, so they need to hit the only 2 unprotected of the 4. So 1/18 total chance of angel win if it gets down to that scenario, and that is assuming they know which one is town out of the 4. Lower if they don't. So if angels hit nothing but town, which he claims is bad for demons, the demons will very likely win. Hell, even if they don't have a corrupted town left alive and it is a regular vt, town gets a minor victory by killing all angels, so it would be the same result anyway unless the townie decides to ignore that minor win condition.
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Blazinghand
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On January 13 2012 04:16 layabout wrote:I will almost certainly regret this after this post+ Show Spoiler +On January 13 2012 02:56 syllogism wrote:I can't believe I somehow had missed this Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:05 Blazinghand wrote:On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?
Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.
So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it. Both of those guys are also scum so it's not really useful to talk to them Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I think risk is scum and I need to read tyrran's filter So first you called them both scum and then 10 minutes later you have to read Tyrran's filter to answer. You never posted your thoughts on Tyrran after that. You have done absolutely nothing in the last few days. I'd read the rest of your filter but it's a bit too taunting to bother right now, but just the above peculiarity is starting to make me wonder if your scum play too resembles that of WBGs. On January 13 2012 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 02:56 syllogism wrote:I can't believe I somehow had missed this On January 10 2012 15:05 Blazinghand wrote:On January 10 2012 15:04 syllogism wrote:Hello Tyrran is Risk still a null read to you and why? What do you think about these posts?
Syllogism, there are two days left why woudl I commit to lynching this soon. I took the topics of the time and wrote my thoughts on them. Then I wanted to see who would comment on it further, what they would say, who would push for their lynch etc. What the hell are you doing? commenting on how useless I am when you don't know my agenda which you just ruined because you didn't think it through. Or were you planning on pushing for my lynch today. Cause if you weren't there is nothing pro-town about calling me out. I'm town and you're forcing me to reveal what I wanted to do. If I had been scum you would had just tipped me off instead of saving it for a case you would write against me.
So syllogism I don't like having meta thrown in my face. First of all nobody likes having meta thrown in thier face because it's not really something you can defend yourself against. But there are different sorts of meta. There are meta of people who have played alot of games who's meta can be very clear (erandorr). Then there is meta of people who have played games as both mafia and town. Then there is meta against me who have only played as town. I mean I've had people calling me out on meta in all of my games exept 1 or 2 and I've always been town including this time so I'm getting a bit sick of it. Both of those guys are also scum so it's not really useful to talk to them On January 10 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I think risk is scum and I need to read tyrran's filter So first you called them both scum and then 10 minutes later you have to read Tyrran's filter to answer. You never posted your thoughts on Tyrran after that. You have done absolutely nothing in the last few days. I'd read the rest of your filter but it's a bit too taunting to bother right now, but just the above peculiarity is starting to make me wonder if your scum play too resembles that of WBGs. I didn't say i was gonna read tyrran's filter, just that i need to if I want to make a read. And honestly, I haven't read tyrran's filter, and when I feel like it, I'll make a read on him. At the moment, though, that's completely non-relevant to my interests. You know why? Because I've already got a target that I'm 100% sure is scum, and I will push him until he gets lynched. That's all that matters now. I literally don't give a dick about what other people are because at the moment we need to kill RoL. He's obvious scum and the fact that people are unwilling to lynch him despite the fact that he's literally done nothing useful all game is disheartening at best. On January 13 2012 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:
Also tyrran is probs scum On January 13 2012 03:27 syllogism wrote:
Oh another instant delurker. Your case is incredibly bad whether RoL is scum or not and thus it's extremely difficult to believe your confidence is genuine On January 13 2012 03:28 Blazinghand wrote:
Also if you have a case to make against me, read my filter and make it. If I'm scum, you need to put together a comprehensive case. My filter is large, but that shouldn't be daunting-- there should be a plethora of evidence for you to find. Also my filter isn't THAT large.
Don't half-ass it. Make your case, if you really think it exists. If you don't, you're either a lazy worthless town or a scum player stirring shit.
#ComeAtMeBro On January 13 2012 03:29 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:27 syllogism wrote:
Oh another instant delurker. Your case is incredibly bad whether RoL is scum or not and thus it's extremely difficult to believe your confidence is genuine Are you kidding me? No, you're just not reading it. RoL's plan is bad. If he believed in his plan, he'd be pushing it right now! THINK ABOUT IT. The plan applies as long as no masked flips have happened yet, now on N2 is our last chance to implement it. He's obvious scum pushing a shitty plan to get a couple VT claims. God, it's like you don't even bother making reads. Or like you're his scumbuddy. On January 13 2012 03:30 syllogism wrote:
You hadn't read tyrran's filter, but you called him scum. You still haven't read his filter, but you call him scum. On January 13 2012 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:30 syllogism wrote:
You hadn't read tyrran's filter, but you called him scum. You still haven't read his filter, but you call him scum. ??? No response to my questions I see, just dodging. On January 13 2012 03:31 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:30 syllogism wrote:
You hadn't read tyrran's filter, but you called him scum. You still haven't read his filter, but you call him scum. "hi my name is syllogism and I'm trying to make a case against blazinghand, but because I'm scum I won't actually make one, and instead just say random stuff" <--- this is you, syllogism On January 13 2012 03:34 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah dont got nothing to say to that do ya On January 13 2012 03:39 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:38 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Syllo
Based on what I have seen of his play/thoughts on other games, I think Blazinghand may genuinely believe his case on RoL is good. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I BELIEVE. What matters is that it *IS* objectively a good case. God what is iit with you people and belief Look RoL obviously scum, why isnt' he pushing his plan RIGHT NOW. WHY ISN'T ROL PUSHING HIS PLAN RIGHT NOW THATS RIGHT HES SCUM AND ITS A SHITTY PLAN @Anybody that isn't Blazinghand What the flying fuck do you think Blazing hand is doing here? Do you think he makes any valid points at all? Do you see any questions that he has asked that syllogism is dodging? I will henceforth ignore Blazinghand
Man if only I was a helpful poster like Layabout:
On January 13 2012 03:37 layabout wrote:
Blazinghand please stop being an idiot.
Make actual arguments and criticsms.
Realise that you will not be right all of the time.
Stop the tunnelling.
Grow a pair.
Layabout if you'd like to address your questions at me and "grow a pair" let me know, I'd be glad to answer them.
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Why is the roleclaiming plan better during night then it is during the day? It makes no real difference. I think it would be the other way around because the claiming could give us a good lynch target (The contradicting blues or one of the VT if only 4 blue claimed)
About whether the blues only should claim. Hmm... It wouldn't really make a difference if town decided to actaully do the plan, since everyone who did not claim bluerole would be VT. During the time where not everyone had claimed it would have made a difference yes, but not such a big deal that it paints him as the big red target that you make him out to be.
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Blazinghand
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On January 13 2012 04:27 Dirkzor wrote:
Why is the roleclaiming plan better during night then it is during the day? It makes no real difference. I think it would be the other way around because the claiming could give us a good lynch target (The contradicting blues or one of the VT if only 4 blue claimed)
Um, look dude the issue is that chance are the AoD's gonna do a masked kill tonight, right? After a masked kill RoL's plan no longer works. This is his last chance to push it.
Where has he been?
On January 13 2012 04:27 Dirkzor wrote:
About whether the blues only should claim. Hmm... It wouldn't really make a difference if town decided to actaully do the plan, since everyone who did not claim bluerole would be VT. During the time where not everyone had claimed it would have made a difference yes, but not such a big deal that it paints him as the big red target that you make him out to be.
The issue here is that he spent 3 days thinking of his plan and doing nothing, and claims he's solved the setup, when he hasn't, and it's not even the best version of his plan. I didn't spend 3 days thinking of his plan and that's a fairly obvious flaw in it.
And if his plan comes off in a half-banked manner like it did this time? And a couple VTs claim, but no blues? scumteam gets hella info. Doesn't that seem like a porblem for you?
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On January 13 2012 04:29 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 04:27 Dirkzor wrote:
Why is the roleclaiming plan better during night then it is during the day? It makes no real difference. I think it would be the other way around because the claiming could give us a good lynch target (The contradicting blues or one of the VT if only 4 blue claimed) Um, look dude the issue is that chance are the AoD's gonna do a masked kill tonight, right? After a masked kill RoL's plan no longer works. This is his last chance to push it. Where has he been?
You kinda pointed out that the time to roleclaim was now during the night. What i meant was that it doesn't matter if we roleclaimed on day 2 or night 2. The difference is that it would have been better to roleclaim day 2 so we had an extra lynch. And he stopped pushing for the plan when almost everyone said it was a bad idea.
Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 04:27 Dirkzor wrote:
About whether the blues only should claim. Hmm... It wouldn't really make a difference if town decided to actaully do the plan, since everyone who did not claim bluerole would be VT. During the time where not everyone had claimed it would have made a difference yes, but not such a big deal that it paints him as the big red target that you make him out to be.
The issue here is that he spent 3 days thinking of his plan and doing nothing, and claims he's solved the setup, when he hasn't, and it's not even the best version of his plan. I didn't spend 3 days thinking of his plan and that's a fairly obvious flaw in it. And if his plan comes off in a half-banked manner like it did this time? And a couple VTs claim, but no blues? scumteam gets hella info. Doesn't that seem like a porblem for you?
Yeah it is a problem if only VT claimed. That would have been bad. But people aren't stupid, so unless town agreed-ish to do this no one would claim unless they were/are morons. Risk claimed, and i think he did so partly for the reason he wrote and partly because he know if was a potential lynch target. Everyone else would not have claimed unless town agreed to do so. So yes the idea to make VT claim was faulty by it self, but the logic i just pointed out would have been made by anyone with half a brain. So thats why i think its unlikely he proposed his plan to deliberatly pull out VT's.
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On January 13 2012 04:21 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 03:41 layabout wrote:On January 13 2012 03:34 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:His post focus on why demons would try to save palmar. The goal of demons is not only to save themself, they also have to prevent angels to win. Banishing them is a good move in this regard as they have a high chance of reducing their KP ( as I stated before, any angel hit, be it town or demon,is actually bad for demon). If you think this, I don't know what to tell you. Say a day starts with 1 corrupted town, 3 demons, and 3 angels. In this situation, demons win nearly 100% of the time. Given the fact that there are investigative roles and an anti-corruption role, demons are definitely not looking to drag this game out more than they have to so long as those roles are still alive. What in the fuck? What? He said an angel hit on a townie was bad for demons, and that is absolutely false. If demons get down to that scenario, they lynch an angel, 2/3 chance they remove a potential kp and win automatically. Then 1/3 chance they get the observer, then angels need to get both hits through the twisting/sending to purgatory, so they need to hit the only 2 unprotected of the 4. So 1/18 total chance of angel win if it gets down to that scenario, and that is assuming they know which one is town out of the 4. Lower if they don't. So if angels hit nothing but town, which he claims is bad for demons, the demons will very likely win. Hell, even if they don't have a corrupted town left alive and it is a regular vt, town gets a minor victory by killing all angels, so it would be the same result anyway unless the townie decides to ignore that minor win condition.
Why on earth do you base your decision of "does killing town benefit demons?" on an unrealistic (and in this game impossible) extreme scenario in which there are 3 demons 1 corrupted town and 2 angels left in the game?
In order for them to make use of the corrupted town mechanic demons need to corrupt town players. They need these players to be alive to count towards their win condition.
All three angels and the sage are immune to corruption. Plus the demons cannot corrupt themselves.
The demons get 1 corruption every two nights.
As it currently stands:
there are 13 non-demons out of 15 players.
9/13 can be corrupted. 3 blues 6 vanillas.
it is likely that several of these players will not still be alive by night 4 (the demons next corruption).
Killing vanilla town weakens the power of corruption drastically. It reduces the number of players that can be corrupted increasing the chance of is missing. And it increases the proportion of blues and Angels in the player base which increases the chance that demons will be investigated or killed. Demons need to kill 2/4 blues and 3/3 angels and gain a majority with corruption, killing vanilla town is a bad lynch from the demons perspective only a demon or the seer flipping is worse for them. (the value of a channeller lynch for them could be argued either way as the channeller keeps players alive but could stop a corruption).
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Blazinghand
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Layabout you still being an ostrich?
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Blazinghand
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I've said it once and I'll say it again: If I'm scum, don't ignore me, make a case against me. If I'm town, don't ignore me.
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On January 13 2012 04:52 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 04:21 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:On January 13 2012 03:41 layabout wrote:On January 13 2012 03:34 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:His post focus on why demons would try to save palmar. The goal of demons is not only to save themself, they also have to prevent angels to win. Banishing them is a good move in this regard as they have a high chance of reducing their KP ( as I stated before, any angel hit, be it town or demon,is actually bad for demon). If you think this, I don't know what to tell you. Say a day starts with 1 corrupted town, 3 demons, and 3 angels. In this situation, demons win nearly 100% of the time. Given the fact that there are investigative roles and an anti-corruption role, demons are definitely not looking to drag this game out more than they have to so long as those roles are still alive. What in the fuck? What? He said an angel hit on a townie was bad for demons, and that is absolutely false. If demons get down to that scenario, they lynch an angel, 2/3 chance they remove a potential kp and win automatically. Then 1/3 chance they get the observer, then angels need to get both hits through the twisting/sending to purgatory, so they need to hit the only 2 unprotected of the 4. So 1/18 total chance of angel win if it gets down to that scenario, and that is assuming they know which one is town out of the 4. Lower if they don't. So if angels hit nothing but town, which he claims is bad for demons, the demons will very likely win. Hell, even if they don't have a corrupted town left alive and it is a regular vt, town gets a minor victory by killing all angels, so it would be the same result anyway unless the townie decides to ignore that minor win condition. Why on earth do you base your decision of "does killing town benefit demons?" on an unrealistic (and in this game impossible) extreme scenario in which there are 3 demons 1 corrupted town and 2 angels left in the game? In order for them to make use of the corrupted town mechanic demons need to corrupt town players. They need these players to be alive to count towards their win condition. All three angels and the sage are immune to corruption. Plus the demons cannot corrupt themselves. The demons get 1 corruption every two nights. As it currently stands: there are 13 non-demons out of 15 players. 9/13 can be corrupted. 3 blues 6 vanillas. it is likely that several of these players will not still be alive by night 4 (the demons next corruption). Killing vanilla town weakens the power of corruption drastically. It reduces the number of players that can be corrupted increasing the chance of is missing. And it increases the proportion of blues and Angels in the player base which increases the chance that demons will be investigated or killed. Demons need to kill 2/4 blues and 3/3 angels and gain a majority with corruption, killing vanilla town is a bad lynch from the demons perspective only a demon or the seer flipping is worse for them. (the value of a channeller lynch for them could be argued either way as the channeller keeps players alive but could stop a corruption).
3 demons, 1 town, 3 angels, not 2 angels. Unrealistic, yes. But just proving the point that demons don't mind townies being dead. Also shows that even if they don't get angels killed early on, as long as they stay alive any death brings them closer to winning. Nowhere does it say if the hit/lynch is on vanilla town - just on town in general, but if you think their corruption being slightly more likely to fail is their primary concern, I think you are quite mistaken. The longer this game goes on with the demon hunter and sage alive, the more likely they are to lose, regardless of their ability to corrupt. They can't kill those people themselves, so they either need to mislynch them, or hope the angels hit them. Assuming the angels use their acolyte to try to kill people with dark powers, which I assure you they will, the proportion of blues will go down, not up. Yes, the sage can't be killed with that, but he can be killed by the AoD, and I doubt the demons would mind the demon hunter or channeler ending up dead.
You stress they need those players alive to count for their win condition, which is true, but you ignore the other half of their win condition. They/their corrupted minions need to outnumber the remaining players in the game. So they want the number of remaining players to be as small as possible.
tl;dr: Holy fuck they don't need to corrupt anyone to win this game, and they want to survive while everyone else dies, not make this game last a bajillion days.
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But just proving the point that demons don't mind townies being dead.
You simply cannot use Prove in this context. You have not proven anything.
DOES ANYBODY ACTUALLY POSSES THE ABILITY TO THINK!
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@Blazinghand
I understand you think RoL is scum and all, but don't you think it might be useful to look through the other filters as well? In case you see something that makes someone else a better target than him, or that exonerates RoL in some way? Focus is fine, pure tunneling is not. I'm focused on Tyrran, but I read everyone else's filter at least once before making my giant post, and have read at least a half dozen of them again since making it.
Also, your filter just hit page 15 and this is a 72 page thread in an 18 player game. -just saying-
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Blazinghand
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On January 13 2012 05:56 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Blazinghand
I understand you think RoL is scum and all, but don't you think it might be useful to look through the other filters as well? In case you see something that makes someone else a better target than him, or that exonerates RoL in some way? Focus is fine, pure tunneling is not. I'm focused on Tyrran, but I read everyone else's filter at least once before making my giant post, and have read at least a half dozen of them again since making it.
Fair enough-- I have, in fact, examined other filters, though. It's not like the only thing I've done this game is push the RoL lynch. I'll take some time to examine tyrran and write a case post about him, as I have for other players.
On January 13 2012 05:56 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Also, your filter just hit page 15 and this is a 72 page thread in an 18 player game. -just saying-
First off, it's an 18 player game, but like only 16 of us are alive right. Also we've got dudes with tiny, tiny filters in here, from captain mcbad Erandorr to guys like Mr Wiggles or Jackal whose filters are best described as "shockingly brief".
Also I don't see what the problem is with posting a lot.
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Blazinghand
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Layabout you still being an ostrich or what
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