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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
January 12 2012 22:56 GMT
#1461
On January 13 2012 07:52 Cwave wrote:
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On January 13 2012 07:37 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 13 2012 07:32 syllogism wrote:
For the record, I do not want to survive the night


Given that we all implicitly softclaim VT by not claiming Blue, this is a reasonable statement for any person in this thread to make. As a VT, if you get the mafia to burn their shots/roleblocks (or both!) on you because you're being too helpful, then you've done some good work, and bought your blues another night.


No it is not a reasonable statement?! This is a 3 faction game, there are 2 scum teams... You want scum to die, whatever scumfaction that is. You don't want "VT's to take hits" when there are 2 scums teams out there.

What the hell/heaven is this... -.-


Ah, that's true-- the ideal night kill for town isn't a non-blue townie getting shot, but a member of the gunless mafia getting shot. forgot about the multifactional element there herp derp
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Cwave
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands313 Posts
January 12 2012 23:00 GMT
#1462
On January 13 2012 07:32 syllogism wrote:
For the record, I do not want to survive the night


I don't even know where to begin with this statement.........
I've learned so much from my mistakes. I'm thinking of making a few more.
Refallen
Profile Joined August 2010
452 Posts
January 12 2012 23:03 GMT
#1463
On January 13 2012 08:00 Cwave wrote:
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On January 13 2012 07:32 syllogism wrote:
For the record, I do not want to survive the night


I don't even know where to begin with this statement.........


Think about the statement more.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 12 2012 23:05 GMT
#1464
Layabout's Bullshit Law
...states: that the quantity of bullshit posted by a player is directly proportional to their percentage chance of bring a non-town aligned role"
or
P (Player X is scum ) is approximated by

K x B
-----------
B + N


Where "K" is the coefficient of Bullshit, 0.7<K<1
K is dependent on the game set-up, a normal set-up has a Bullshit coefficient of 0.96 whilst a 4 faction game with Bullshit Vigilantes would have a K value of 0.701.

And N is defined by (Player X's Total Number of posts after game start) minus (Player X's number of one liner posts that do not contain Bullshit or Content)

"B" is "Player X's" Bullshit score

What is a player's Bullshit score?

A players bullshit score is calculated by adding up the players total number of bullshit points that they acquire:
(a work in progress)
A player states anything that isn't a fact as if it were a fact + 5
A player speculates without an apparent purpose + 5
A player votes without providing any reason + 5
A player promises analysis and then repeats what has already been said + 10
A player role claims without a good reason + 10
A player says they will not be online and then posts in another thread + 20
A player refers to a general or vague statement made earlier to prove that they always had their current opinion + 10
A player contradicts themselves +10 bonus
+ 5 if the contradictions are within 3 posts or an hour of each other
+ 5 if it is within the same post
A player makes a summarising comment that does not relate to alignment and calls it "scum hunting" or "analysis" +5
Any logic that can be WIFOM-ed +10
A player write lots of words without drawing any substantially conclusions +5
A player writes a list of all of their reads +10
+5 if over half of them are "Null" or "Scum"
A player does something and at the same time apologizes for doing it despite being in the act of doing it +10
A player comments on a post that he hasn't read +10
+5 if they criticise part of it
+5 if in doing so they ignore the entire point/argument presented in said post
1/2 points are awarded if the content is implied
+ (that players percentage of the total posts amongst the living players where there are more than 8 players living divided by) (K^2)

No single post can score more than 35 bullshit points.

lets start by looking at bullshit scores in practice.
Since this game has 3 teams and there should be no-strong reason for bullshiting the bullshit coefficient is = 0.84
Bluelightz Bullshit score:
Total posts since game start: 60
one line content/bullshit-less posts: 25

side note: Bluelightz may in fact be a BOT programmed to announce its sleeping patterns publicly and ask people who they wish to lynch
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On January 05 2012 04:54 Bluelightz wrote:
Im about to sleep >.> but anyway i got like half an hour so do what you will!

On January 05 2012 05:15 Bluelightz wrote:
im gonna sleep now cya in a few/lots of hours

On January 05 2012 11:42 Bluelightz wrote:
Blast me with questions now im available again! !

On January 06 2012 01:07 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay Palmar, I'm about to sleep.So, ask me what you want to ask now :3

On January 06 2012 09:39 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay guys I'm back!

Anyway, holy derp we have votes spread on 4 people ._. I'll be updating my reads on people and looking more closely at people

On January 07 2012 00:38 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay guys i'm going to sleep cya in the morning

On January 07 2012 10:17 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm awake now anyway will read thread.

On January 08 2012 09:54 Bluelightz wrote:
I was sleeping >.< >.< I tried to switch >_> <_<

On January 09 2012 01:20 Bluelightz wrote:
Im gonna sleep now gyus, also I want to notify you that the period's I will be available will be shorter because School! is starting

On January 09 2012 18:39 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay guys I'm back anyway, I'm LOLing so hard at Palmar's flip XD also, I'm very glad no townies died that night :>

On January 10 2012 00:16 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm gonna sleep now guys cya when I get back from school! :D

On January 12 2012 00:01 Bluelightz wrote:
Im gonna sleep now guys

On January 12 2012 19:32 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm back now!

On January 13 2012 00:42 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm gonna sleep now guys gonna make a case on someone when i get back from school




On January 06 2012 13:01 Bluelightz wrote:
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On January 06 2012 12:51 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm not reading anything that long tonight, it's 5 am and I'm only up because sweden are fucking bosses at hockey!!


Risk, who do you want to lynch? and why?


On January 06 2012 13:09 Bluelightz wrote:
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On January 06 2012 13:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Sorry, I had to finish up some business in the Responsibility game. Now that that is over this game gets my full attention.


Who do you want to lynch? why?

On January 10 2012 20:18 Bluelightz wrote:
@risk Just this, who do you want to lynch and why? join the discussion! When you are available just post your thoughts.And now, I told everyone already that there would be difference on when I post.


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On January 09 2012 01:20 Bluelightz wrote:
Im gonna sleep now gyus, also I want to notify you that the period's I will be available will be shorter because School! is starting



On January 09 2012 20:21 Bluelightz wrote:
@Dirk who do you think is scum then?and why?


On January 10 2012 21:03 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay risk, i believe you for now. So, who do you want to lynch? why?



On January 11 2012 23:53 Bluelightz wrote:
._. sorry risk

+10 Apology relevant to the game


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On January 05 2012 21:36 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay here's the continuation of my reads

Errandor, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment

Grackaroni, Null: His posting contains his case against me and discussing about the lurkers in this game.

HarbingerOfDoom, Null/Leaning Town: His posting contains discussion of strategy for town, Discussing LA-Lurkers

Jackal58, Null: 2 posts since the start of the game cannot determine alignment.

Layabout, Leaning Town: When I compare when Layabout was town in Student and if he is town here his posting style is much the same being aggressive and starting discussion

Mr.Wiggles, Leaning Town: His posts while not alot has very good content.

Palmar, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he starts discussion himself.

RebirthOfLeGenD, Null: Lurking cannot determine alignment.

Refallen, Null: His posts contain discussion about the lurkers,etc

risk.nuke, Null: Has not posted alot

syllogism, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he also shares his reads with others.

Tyrran, Null: While lurking a little I can't determine his alignment

xsksc, Null: Needs to start posting

Zepphird, Null: His post's discuss about LA-Lurkers and strategy

Okay I'm done if you have a question about my reads go for it !

Now, I have many town reads because this is day 1 and also people haven't posted much(including me)

So, here it is!

+10 +5 list of reads, all null
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On January 06 2012 12:09 Bluelightz wrote:
Updated list of reads:


Blazinghand, Leaning Town: From the way he is posting I assume that he is Town

Cwave, Null: His post's contain pressure to Dirkzor discussion about strategy

Dirkzor, Null: When comparing his post's from Mr.Wiggles Mini and Here he acts differently, In Mr.Wiggles Mini he analyzes
other people's post, etc that is town Dirk. But here, he discusses Strategy,etc but this is a new/ diffrent setup

Errandor, Null: Lurking he has not contributed in any way so i cannot determine his alignment

Grackaroni, Null: His posting contains his case against me.discussing about the lurkers in this game. and responding to accusations by HoD

HarbingerOfDoom, Null/Leaning Town: His posting contains discussion of strategy for town, Discussing LA-Lurkers

Jackal58, Null: He votes for Palmar because of meta.

Layabout, Leaning Town: When I compare when Layabout was town in Student and if he is town here his posting style is much the same being aggressive and starting discussion

Mr.Wiggles, Leaning Town: His posts while not alot has very good content.

Palmar, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he starts discussion himself.

RebirthOfLeGenD, Null/FoS: Lurking cannot determine alignment but, he had 6 hours after he started to post in the thread

Refallen, Null: His posts contain discussion about the lurkers, also his suspicions on Palmar and risk.nuke

risk.nuke, Null: Has not posted alot so, Null

syllogism, Leaning Town/Null: His post's generate discussion and he also shares his reads with others.

Tyrran, Null: While lurking a little I can't determine his alignment

xsksc, Null: Needs to start posting

Zepphird, Null: His post's discuss about LA-Lurkers and strategy

For now, I want the lurkers to start posting.

+10 +5 another list of reads all null


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On January 05 2012 04:52 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay, im back guys :p

Im gonna start responding to cases and make cases myself.


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On January 05 2012 04:28 layabout wrote:
Bluelightz
i think...:
he lacks confidence in his own abilities
that he may try to lurk
that he has not tried to help
that what he has written makes sense from a "town that has to get on a plane and will have limited internet acess" perspective
he has provided us with very little that can be analysed effectively

i do not think that there you can make all of those inferences + Show Spoiler +
"profoundly unuseful" and "anti town"
and say that they are his verdict and his damnation.

BH at this point in time nearly any case you can come up with needs to forced and isn't necessarily helpful
You seem to like throwing your vote around but do you really think that at the current moment in time everyone should vote for bluelightz to kill him, possibly end the day and let night actions happen?

if i were the type i might accuse you of "trying to gain town cred by forcing a case based off of thin air."
i will not do that.


Anyway, first I clearly said that I wouldn't be available till about now(Flight was delayed ;|)

Anyway, my thoughts on lynching lurkers.

It ends up lynching a townie usually

No comments on the actual plan suggested a vague comment on LaL to dismiss the plan
He refers to the quoted post as a "case" and says he will respond to it but the only thing in the posts he mentions is that he was on a airplane.
(+20 for contradiction /2 for being implied) + 10 for not showing he has read the quoted post


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On January 07 2012 21:21 Bluelightz wrote:
As of now, I'll be switching my vote to Errandor as he is the best lynch for now.

First, before this I am still supicious of RoL, i am also suspicious of Grackaroni.

First, his post's


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On January 05 2012 09:48 Erandorr wrote:
The last time I looked the game was full already, didn't even realize I am in this until now.


The biggest question for me right now is this:

Blazinghand are you WBGs Smurf? Or his long lost brother, maybe?




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On January 05 2012 09:54 Erandorr wrote:
On January 05 2012 09:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 05 2012 09:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 05 2012 09:48 Erandorr wrote:
The last time I looked the game was full already, didn't even realize I am in this until now.


The biggest question for me right now is this:

Blazinghand are you WBGs Smurf? Or his long lost brother, maybe?



Yes clearly i'm WBG's smurf with thousands of posts


This post is sarcastic. I am not his smurf. In case that's not clear.


And the long lost brother part?


Filler.


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On January 06 2012 09:16 Erandorr wrote:
Ya I probably should post sometime soon but I am really tired and want to sleep soon. If anyone has any question for me just go ahead, I will provide content of my own tomorrow.



Says, he will contribute


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On January 07 2012 00:45 Erandorr wrote:
What would be Wiggles motivation as Scum to go after Palmar with a case like that in a two family setup?



Ask's a question to Palmar, nothing shining his alignment here


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On January 07 2012 01:39 Erandorr wrote:
On January 07 2012 00:51 syllogism wrote:
While I consider palmar the better lynch out of wiggles/palmar, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch palmar today. We've other very good lynches available, it's a setup with 6 scum and he is very likely to become more transparent the longer the game goes on if he is scum or dead if he is town.

I'll probably narrow the list down but I would like to keep the lynch between erandorr/risk/tyrran/refallen. Out of those erandorr appears to be by far the safest lynch and the only reason I haven't been actively pushing him as the #1 lynch was to give him more time and because it's pretty disappointing if he again decided not to play due to rolling scum.


I actually didn't roll scum. I just missed the start and don't seem to find a way into the game. I already stated with my brilliant 1 liner that I sort of dislike a Wiggles lynch and actually would like to lynch Palmar today. I don't quite know what to do with all the other crap that has been posted, since the only person I have a clear Town read on is you (YES IM TRYING TO BUDDY UP)


Err, nothing shining alignment.

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On January 07 2012 01:55 Erandorr wrote:
On January 07 2012 01:48 Zephirdd wrote:
On January 07 2012 01:30 Refallen wrote:
Yes, but would a scum immediately stick his neck out to try to lynch one of the more prominent players here? Especially assuming, of course, if Palmar flips town he will probably get lynched or at the very least be focused on the next day? Essentially trading a townie for a scum. And even if a scum team deems this worthwhile, would they send mr.wiggles to do the accusing, seeing as how he has a high chance of being the better player on the scum team? Same thing with jackal, and it's why I think they might be town. The only mitigating factor is the fact that syllo was on palmars case early in the game, and wiggles/jackal thought that was the green light in getting palmar lynched. I think the explanation that they're town is more likely though.

Also, syllo, why do you still want to lynch me?



They would, exactly because someone would end up asking this question. Someone mentioned that there is a 80% rate of mislynch on day one on a mafia dedicated forum, and that is quite something. This is enough to say that you cannot push someone as scum because he made a mistake day 1 - which is something many players interpret wrongly. It's NORMAL for town to make mistakes as long as they are justifiable.

However, Palmar points out a good amount of inconsistencies on MrWiggles' case, and we should also consider that he is an experienced player(compared to most of the lineup). He knows better than making those mistakes, and we all know that inexperienced players would fail to see these little inconsistencies and end up lynching Palmar. If there is one thing perfectly fine for a scum team, is to lynch an enemy Palmar right off the bat; ESPECIALLY day 1 where the most wrong cases occur.

Although the same could be said for MW(a scum Palmar would benefit a whole lot from lynching MW), the difference is that Palmar's case is much stronger than MrWiggles, especially when, by building that case, he broke a good lot of MrWiggles' arguments.


Either way, we can also consider that both Palmar AND MrWiggles may be scum(two families).


Out of the two, which is the one you would rather like to lynch and why?


Ask's a question.


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On January 07 2012 02:11 Erandorr wrote:
On January 07 2012 01:56 Dirkzor wrote:
On January 07 2012 00:51 syllogism wrote:
While I consider palmar the better lynch out of wiggles/palmar, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch palmar today. We've other very good lynches available, it's a setup with 6 scum and he is very likely to become more transparent the longer the game goes on if he is scum or dead if he is town.

I'll probably narrow the list down but I would like to keep the lynch between erandorr/risk/tyrran/refallen. Out of those erandorr appears to be by far the safest lynch and the only reason I haven't been actively pushing him as the #1 lynch was to give him more time and because it's pretty disappointing if he again decided not to play due to rolling scum.


While I agree that palmar/Wiggles aren't our best lynch option, why would you rather hang Palmar? Meta? Because i feel that Wiggles case is bad. Whether it is intentionally to push an agenda or just bad i don't know.

About your other targets I find risk the most scummiest.


Why do you think Risk is scummiest and not Tyrran/me?

If I am not mistaken then Syllos reasons to rather lynch Palmar have very little to do with the arguments Wiggles brought forward.

On January 07 2012 01:59 Zephirdd wrote:
On January 07 2012 01:55 Erandorr wrote:
On January 07 2012 01:48 Zephirdd wrote:
On January 07 2012 01:30 Refallen wrote:
Yes, but would a scum immediately stick his neck out to try to lynch one of the more prominent players here? Especially assuming, of course, if Palmar flips town he will probably get lynched or at the very least be focused on the next day? Essentially trading a townie for a scum. And even if a scum team deems this worthwhile, would they send mr.wiggles to do the accusing, seeing as how he has a high chance of being the better player on the scum team? Same thing with jackal, and it's why I think they might be town. The only mitigating factor is the fact that syllo was on palmars case early in the game, and wiggles/jackal thought that was the green light in getting palmar lynched. I think the explanation that they're town is more likely though.

Also, syllo, why do you still want to lynch me?



They would, exactly because someone would end up asking this question. Someone mentioned that there is a 80% rate of mislynch on day one on a mafia dedicated forum, and that is quite something. This is enough to say that you cannot push someone as scum because he made a mistake day 1 - which is something many players interpret wrongly. It's NORMAL for town to make mistakes as long as they are justifiable.

However, Palmar points out a good amount of inconsistencies on MrWiggles' case, and we should also consider that he is an experienced player(compared to most of the lineup). He knows better than making those mistakes, and we all know that inexperienced players would fail to see these little inconsistencies and end up lynching Palmar. If there is one thing perfectly fine for a scum team, is to lynch an enemy Palmar right off the bat; ESPECIALLY day 1 where the most wrong cases occur.

Although the same could be said for MW(a scum Palmar would benefit a whole lot from lynching MW), the difference is that Palmar's case is much stronger than MrWiggles, especially when, by building that case, he broke a good lot of MrWiggles' arguments.


Either way, we can also consider that both Palmar AND MrWiggles may be scum(two families).


Out of the two, which is the one you would rather like to lynch and why?


Check the voting post and decide for yourself who I would rather like to lynch.

Hint: it's obvious

As for "why", I think I stated a couple times already.


Ya, mistake on my side, sorry.


Ask's a question to Dirkzor and admits a mistake, here he like in BH's cases "Hustleing"


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On January 07 2012 02:58 Erandorr wrote:
Shut up WBGs Smurf, I am trying to get into this.


Filler -,-

Okay, so he say's he will contribute but from his filter Evidently NOT

So, this is the reason's I will be voting Erandorr


empty summary comments (6 x 5) implies that it was his analysis +(10/2)
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On January 07 2012 22:55 Bluelightz wrote:
also, to make it clear im unvoting Erandorr and Voting Tyrran

Reason why,

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On January 04 2012 19:45 Tyrran wrote:
/in
And the game is on.


I'll start with some basic guidelines about mafia :

* DO NOT BANDWAGON. Please always gives a reason for you vote. More importantly dont vote without thinking about just because 5 other players already voted.

* BUILD STRONG CASE WHEN SCUMHUNTING. This game is about convincing other people, not yourself. dont expect people to follow your vote if dont build a strong case.

* DEFEND YOURSELF. Even as town, you migth get FoS'ed or have a case build up against you. Please dont go troll mode, dont call everyone dumb, but instead defend yourself and tell us what was going through your mind. This is your best chance of not being lynched.

Not following these basic guidelines is what screwed town over in the steamship mafia. Follow them to maximize our chances to win this game.

Going to lunch now, I'll post about the specificities of the setup later today.


Here, Tyrran talks what a townie should do



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On January 04 2012 23:27 Tyrran wrote:
Okay, first of all, as many people already have stated, the angel of Death should be our first target. Not only does he hold the angel KP, but the main issue for me is that The roles and alignement of his victim is NOT revealed. This does not seem to be the case if the other Angels use the slay ability.

Zona, can you confirm that the role and alignement of a player killed using the slay ability, by the Angel acolyte and/or the Angelic observer are revealed?

Not knowing the alignement/role of a killed player is devastating for town. Is the demon hunter still alive? Is the seer? is the sage? how many demons remains ? Setting up a stratey with limited information on the blue roles still alive will be pretty hard.

The Demons can also conceal a lynch, but they can only do it once a game, so it have a smaller impact.



On January 04 2012 20:07 syllogism wrote:
Due to the fact the players who are sent to purgatory is publicly announced and the fact the same angel role(s) perform night kills every night, it appears optimal to use the power with a focus on the role blocking aspect of it. On night 1 however the channeler and the demonic courier (yes, this is in your best interest) should target players who are highly likely to be killed without protection if they are town/demon. Even if they appear scummy, role blocking at least two out of the three angel roles is beneficial and even if the target is a demon, it's possible that they chose him to perform corruption (this is unlikely however on n1 due to obvious reasons). You can stray from this plan if there is a highly suspicious player as just the fact that this is the starting point should deter angels from hitting with impunity.


Actually, we can use the banish ability offensively to determine the role of scummy player. If the slay ability is not used one nigth, then the banished (or the transported) player are very likely to be the angel holding the power of the death ray, and they should be priority target for investingation/future banishement. Therefore we can banish one of the player we think is an angel and see if the slay ability is used that nigth.

Note that if no corruption happens on even numbered nigths , its harder to conclude because Demons could have tried to corrupt an angel or the sage.


Strategy.




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On January 04 2012 23:32 Tyrran wrote:
On December 29 2011 22:23 Palmar wrote:
yo

##Signup

If I get the angel with a wraithcannon, I'll make syllo disappear n1. that's a promise.



On January 04 2012 21:07 syllogism wrote:
We should probably lynch palmar today, he appears to be some sort of scum and hating his life right now


I dunno what's going on between these two, but we should just ignore this for now.


Filler


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On January 06 2012 03:53 Tyrran wrote:
On January 06 2012 01:56 syllogism wrote:
. Tyrran you have shown that you can be useful, do you intend to post anything at all today?


I posted hastiliy from work, and i missed the post just above the Day 1 post. Mea culpa. Im in now. I first posted a message avoiding to avoid us played as bad as town as we did in steamship liquidia.

Then I wanted to make a post explaining that information was going to be the key of this game. I added a idea I just had, on how we could use purgatory information to deduce scum role. It did not turn out to be as good as i thougth. I still stand by the fact that we are going to heavily analyse nigth actions in order to win this game.

Now back to scum hunt.

Reffalen

On January 04 2012 17:59 Refallen wrote:
Not to mention that while angels CAN kill demons, it hardly seems optimal for them. With 11 town and only 3 of each faction, for angels to kill off demons would just mean that town will have an easier time. I think that we can consider the scenario of angel and demon killing each other therfore, highly improbable.


I would like him to explain this statement. The more I think about it, the less sense it makes to me. Actually it looks more like he is saying "hey angels, please dont shoot demons". In practice of course killing all the demons is pretty good for the angels as they would not have to worry about them getting a lot of votes through corruption. And a blue is not more threatening than a demon for an angel.

So reffallen, can you please explain why you thought it is not optimal for angels to kill demons ? I dont see much drawback for them doing this. Also it's your turn to step and and post. Who do you think is most scum rigth now ?





His case against refallen

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On January 06 2012 19:04 Tyrran wrote:
On January 06 2012 11:14 Refallen wrote:
I'm thinking Jackal is town this game. At least, he appears to be taking a different route than on TLXLVIII when he was scum. Plus I don't think any scum would risk trying to outright lynch Palmar without a really detailed case.


I disagree with you here. From the few games I've read Palmar seems to be a efficient scum hunter.Bussing Palmar is therefore an good scum strat. Almost EVERY SINGLE one of Jackal post were attacking palmar. And he NEVER had more than 1 line of justification. He did not even refer to MrWiggles case. That is scummy play for me.

Also note that as there is 2 scum faction, they can perfectly both be scum, one angel and one demon. I'll be looking at both of them today. Palmar need to step up his game, and Jackal needs to start become useful.


Talking about meta



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On January 07 2012 09:12 Tyrran wrote:
On January 07 2012 07:47 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Well, it appears as though xsksc is no longer playing this game, as his last post was: January 04 2012 23:24.

I don't like lynching lurkers, but from what I know of Erandorr, his lurking makes him likely to be scum, and I do like lynching scum. Barring him showing an actual commitment to playing, I would be fine with lynching him.

On risk.nuke, his playstyle seems to vary a good deal between games, so I am not sold on him being scum yet and would certainly like to hear a bit more from him before deciding whether or not I think he is worth a lynch.

Tyrran
Tyrran's play seems very different from his play in steamship where he was town. He is being much less aggressive so far, and usually people are more aggressive as town than they are as scum. I think he would make a fine lynch for the day. My only qualm with lynching him is that he hasn't interacted with other players much so far, so his flip will be less revealing, but I like our odds of hitting scum here. My vote will be on him for now.

His steamship filter:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=57176
His filter so far this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=57176

##Vote: Tyrran


If you read steamship mafia, you'll notice i wasnt really active before I had some hard fact to analyse ( ie kenpachi lynch). I'm not good at analysing Meta, because its only my second game here. Half the accusation here are made on meta. I'm looking for contradictions, votes, something i can work on. I dont like making case for the sake on making one. I'll make a case after day 1, when i'll have more info to work with.


Responding to HoD's case

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On January 07 2012 21:50 Tyrran wrote:
On January 07 2012 14:36 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

Tyrran:

He started out the game with very general advice. This seems weird, but it might be due to the mini games, in which I've seen new players do that to each other. Still something to note though, as scum like to use it to look like they're contributing.

Compared to steamship that you linked, he is much more careful and timid in this game. In steamship, just reading through his early posts, he didn't seem scared to call people out and ask direct questions. In that game, he was vanilla, however, so there could be something to do with the set-up contributing to his timidness (less likely because he talks about the set-up in this game), or he's some kind of power role.

Verdict: Scummy. Not as direct as his last game, and timid. However, I'm willing to give him slightly more time to see if he starts to contribute. Might be a good vig shot night 2.

Does anyone have a game in which Tyrran rolled scum that I can read?

@Tyrran, what do you think of the accusations against you? Who do you want to lynch?


People are basically trying to Meta me based on the single game I played before, which is a bit silly, but apparently that's the main scumhunt method on day 1. I agree that i'm not as aggressive as i could be, but i'm also less active due to more IRL stuff.

As for who i would lynch now, the three target i have in mind are Errandor , for lurking and being useless , Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid.

Of course, you are going to ask me to pick one, and as i said before, i'm not aware of the meta enough to lynch someone based on meta alone. That's why i'm not going to vote on jackal and palmar and vote for Errandor instead. HIs filter is full of uselss post where he isnt even trying to help town, jsut saying random stuff not even related to the game ( BH being WBG smurf...).

Therefore, ##Vote : Errandor


Now, here is where I think he's scum,

"As for who i would lynch now, the three target i have in mind are Errandor , for lurking and being useless , Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid."

^wat?

First, Erandorr is leading at votes but now Tyrran just following rhough with it just listing simple reason's I feel like he is scum

when you read his steamship filter, he made cases etc etc

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=57176

so,

I'm unvoting Erandorr and voting Tyrran

comments presented as analsis +(6x5)

couldn't be arese to work out the percentage of current player votes but it would be about 10
After a hurried scoring the resulted are in!

B=135 K=0.83 N=35 Bullshit-based chance of flipping scum= 0.66% (2s.f.)

I believe that makes him the person with the most thought out and well reasoned case for being scum.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
January 12 2012 23:08 GMT
#1465
Player suggests a shitty anti town plan, sorta pushes it, it's not event he best version of the plan and he's basically lurking and trying to be unhelpful and is obvious scum: +1000
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 12 2012 23:12 GMT
#1466
Only reasonable suggestions will be added to the Bullshit score counter.

Is it worth asking Zona to let me edit the post to update the Bullshit score counter?
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
January 12 2012 23:12 GMT
#1467
On January 13 2012 08:12 layabout wrote:
Is it worth asking Zona to let me edit the post to update the Bullshit score counter?


Um.... no? Just make a new post ._. why would you want to edit the existing one
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Spaackle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States153 Posts
January 12 2012 23:23 GMT
#1468
I've been asked to do some reads, so here goes:

Tyrran:  I've already made an analysis on him see that for my main reasoning.  I think he looks pretty scummy, even though he's started posting a bit more as of late.  

RoL:  he's basically invisible for the first day, then during night one he comes up with a plan to mass claim.  His plan is torn to shreds by everyone else while he quietly slips back into the shadows, reemerging only to defend his plan but not to do much of anything else. His lurkiness combined with his lack of contribution makes me think that he is a scum. Between him and Tyrran, I'd probably lynch RoL first.  

Grack and cwave look a little scummy to me, seeing as they've both lurked a bit and not posted too much of actual value. However, there's much bigger fish to fry than them.  
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Spaackle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States153 Posts
January 12 2012 23:24 GMT
#1469
I'll be around for a little while, so feel free to ask/tell/compliment/insult me anything.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
January 12 2012 23:35 GMT
#1470
On January 13 2012 08:24 Spaackle wrote:
I'll be around for a little while, so feel free to ask/tell/compliment/insult me anything.

Your bullshit score is under 5% congrats.

If i were to suggest to you that the majority of HoD's post are about "safe" or irrelevant issues that do not require him to take a stance; That he draws and promotes strange conclusions; that a lot of his interaction's and question answering ignore the issue at hand; that he picks up on non-issues and tries to uses that to defeat arguments; and that misrepresents scenario's or mis-applies concepts like occam's razor you would say what?
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United States25551 Posts
January 12 2012 23:40 GMT
#1471
On January 13 2012 08:24 Spaackle wrote:
I'll be around for a little while, so feel free to ask/tell/compliment/insult me anything.

I got a good one for you Mr Spaacks.
Check it.

On January 10 2012 13:02 Spaackle wrote:
I'm with you on this one, BH. At first I thought that the RoL plan was merely just an ill-thought out plan, but after your and Mr Wiggles' arguments against it, now I see that the RoL plan isn't just bad, but that it seems to be intentionally anti-town. I want to see a defense from RoL, but until then:

##vote RebirthOfLegend


OK


On January 11 2012 14:31 Spaackle wrote:
So, after a bit more of BH and RoL duking it out, I've decided to Unvote RoL for now. RoL has spent a long time and a lot of effort defending it, and a scum Probably would have dropped it long ago. RoL is still pretty null to me, though.

Give me a bit more time to finish catching up on the thread and reading some filter, and I'll have an analysis for both Tyrran and risk.nuke


Wow, way to bail for no reason

What do you think about RoL now?
On January 13 2012 08:23 Spaackle wrote:
RoL: he's basically invisible for the first day, then during night one he comes up with a plan to mass claim. His plan is torn to shreds by everyone else while he quietly slips back into the shadows, reemerging only to defend his plan but not to do much of anything else. His lurkiness combined with his lack of contribution makes me think that he is a scum. Between him and Tyrran, I'd probably lynch RoL first.


>.>

Explain your flip-flopping, mr. flip-flopper.
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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 12 2012 23:49 GMT
#1472
HoD you asked Grackaroni, Spaackle and Cwave for their scum reads and they mostly didn't materialize. Do you not care? You have been quite detached from the game; certainly not one I would characterize as someone who attempts to produce information and then do something with it. Indeed you seem to put most of your efforts into defending yourself or arguing about irrelevant game mechanics/strategy issues.
Spaackle
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States153 Posts
January 12 2012 23:50 GMT
#1473
When I moved off of RoL, it was because the argument between you and him had gotten kind of silly and was filling up the thread. I looked at both risk and RoL, and risk looked like thebetter lynch. I would have voted him, but he was hammered before I could.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
January 12 2012 23:51 GMT
#1474
On January 13 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 05:56 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Blazinghand
I understand you think RoL is scum and all, but don't you think it might be useful to look through the other filters as well? In case you see something that makes someone else a better target than him, or that exonerates RoL in some way? Focus is fine, pure tunneling is not. I'm focused on Tyrran, but I read everyone else's filter at least once before making my giant post, and have read at least a half dozen of them again since making it.


Fair enough-- I have, in fact, examined other filters, though. It's not like the only thing I've done this game is push the RoL lynch. I'll take some time to examine tyrran and write a case post about him, as I have for other players.


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On January 13 2012 05:56 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Also, your filter just hit page 15 and this is a 72 page thread in an 18 player game. -just saying-


First off, it's an 18 player game, but like only 16 of us are alive right. Also we've got dudes with tiny, tiny filters in here, from captain mcbad Erandorr to guys like Mr Wiggles or Jackal whose filters are best described as "shockingly brief".

Also I don't see what the problem is with posting a lot.

For someone so painfully active (20% of total posts) it's amazing how you don't even know how many players are still alive.
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United States25551 Posts
January 12 2012 23:53 GMT
#1475
On January 13 2012 08:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 06:17 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 13 2012 05:56 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Blazinghand
I understand you think RoL is scum and all, but don't you think it might be useful to look through the other filters as well? In case you see something that makes someone else a better target than him, or that exonerates RoL in some way? Focus is fine, pure tunneling is not. I'm focused on Tyrran, but I read everyone else's filter at least once before making my giant post, and have read at least a half dozen of them again since making it.


Fair enough-- I have, in fact, examined other filters, though. It's not like the only thing I've done this game is push the RoL lynch. I'll take some time to examine tyrran and write a case post about him, as I have for other players.


On January 13 2012 05:56 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Also, your filter just hit page 15 and this is a 72 page thread in an 18 player game. -just saying-


First off, it's an 18 player game, but like only 16 of us are alive right. Also we've got dudes with tiny, tiny filters in here, from captain mcbad Erandorr to guys like Mr Wiggles or Jackal whose filters are best described as "shockingly brief".

Also I don't see what the problem is with posting a lot.

For someone so painfully active (20% of total posts) it's amazing how you don't even know how many players are still alive.


16 is closer than 18 to 15

also like this is the least "relevant to people's criticisms of RoL" post you could make
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HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
January 12 2012 23:53 GMT
#1476
On January 13 2012 08:35 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 08:24 Spaackle wrote:
I'll be around for a little while, so feel free to ask/tell/compliment/insult me anything.

Your bullshit score is under 5% congrats.

If i were to suggest to you that the majority of HoD's post are about "safe" or irrelevant issues that do not require him to take a stance; That he draws and promotes strange conclusions; that a lot of his interaction's and question answering ignore the issue at hand; that he picks up on non-issues and tries to uses that to defeat arguments; and that misrepresents scenario's or mis-applies concepts like occam's razor you would say what?

I posted my top four (if I am recalling the number correctly) scum reads in the thread, I commented on both the RoL and the Risk.Nuke cases, I voted to lynch Erandorr, I voted to lynch Tyrran, I have stated I believe Syllo to most likely be town, I don't know if I directly stated it but I believe Blazinghand to be town as well.

On January 13 2012 08:49 syllogism wrote:
HoD you asked Grackaroni, Spaackle and Cwave for their scum reads and they mostly didn't materialize. Do you not care? You have been quite detached from the game; certainly not one I would characterize as someone who attempts to produce information and then do something with it. Indeed you seem to put most of your efforts into defending yourself or arguing about irrelevant game mechanics/strategy issues.

I have limited time, and people keep asking me about that shit so I answer them. I should probably just ignore them though. Spaackle and Grackaroni replied. Cwave is the only one that ignored me, but that's fine for now.
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United States25551 Posts
January 12 2012 23:53 GMT
#1477
EBWOP: 16 is closer to 15 than 18 or whatever you know just imagine my post made sense
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Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
January 12 2012 23:53 GMT
#1478
Limited time and instantly delurk
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United States25551 Posts
January 12 2012 23:54 GMT
#1479
On January 13 2012 08:50 Spaackle wrote:
When I moved off of RoL, it was because the argument between you and him had gotten kind of silly and was filling up the thread. I looked at both risk and RoL, and risk looked like thebetter lynch. I would have voted him, but he was hammered before I could.


So when you moved off RoL, you thought he was still a decent lynch, but risk was better?
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
January 12 2012 23:54 GMT
#1480
On January 13 2012 08:53 syllogism wrote:
Limited time and instantly delurk


???
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