EPTOn June 01 2010 02:16 Chezinu wrote:
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your really good
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your really good
Thanks, just using tried and true method.
I'll take an E next, please.
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Thanks, just using tried and true method. I'll take an E next, please. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On June 01 2010 03:44 Nikon wrote: Yeah, except that claiming that you can shoot is kinda bad, since if you can't shoot and claim that you can, you can't prove it in any way or shape, whereas the reverse isn't true - you can prove that you can't shoot by well... not shooting. Of course, reverse psychology applies in both cases, but by this point any claim might as well be nonsense as far as figuring out who does what is concerned, given that no one takes a shot. what are the chances that you'll get picked? ^^ that's what I did. On June 01 2010 03:47 XeliN wrote: As far as I can tell the one useful thing L has done is potentially help a cop verify his actual role. This was done at the expense of killing a town player, and also done without outlining any argument whatsoever for why Korynne was a potential mafia other than "she seems scummy as hell". I even outlined why I didn't think Korynne was not mafia, and that the way she had posted so far was different in style to the last game I played with her where she was actually mafia. Some of you are quite literally letting L get away with murder...... and Darth thats a WIFOM argument (I hope I used this right..) and expecting L, a veteran player, to act in a predictable manner if he was the Godfather is wrong imo. People get away with murder all the time. Except in other setups we call it lynching. And yeah, it is. But a lot of stuff in mafia early game is. Especially with this setup, there's absolutely no way to distinguish between a GF and a townie, assuming the watcher doesn't catch him. | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On June 01 2010 03:52 DarthThienAn wrote: what are the chances that you'll get picked? ^^ that's what I did. I want you to shoot L tomorrow. :-) | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
I can't. That's against my morals. If I kill L straight-up, you'll figure out who I am. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
I second this. Darth seem's like a good candidate to try and comfirm. | ||
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ohN
United States1075 Posts
On June 01 2010 03:47 XeliN wrote: As far as I can tell the one useful thing L has done is potentially help a cop verify his actual role. This was done at the expense of killing a town player, and also done without outlining any argument whatsoever for why Korynne was a potential mafia other than "she seems scummy as hell". I even outlined why I didn't think Korynne was not mafia, and that the way she had posted so far was different in style to the last game I played with her where she was actually mafia. Some of you are quite literally letting L get away with murder...... and Darth thats a WIFOM argument (I hope I used this right..) and expecting L, a veteran player, to act in a predictable manner if he was the Godfather is wrong imo. Well, what else can we do? Without PMs and two people dying every night we as a town need to act quickly. By killing Korynne, L allowed the cop to figure out his sanity and if the game continues like this, the cop will be vital in finding out the mafia. And yes, L could be godfather but he's the only one who proposed a working plan so we should follow it for now. | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On June 01 2010 03:59 XeliN wrote: I second this. Darth seem's like a good candidate to try and comfirm. Well. In that case, I hope the cop isn't checking me tonight. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On June 01 2010 04:01 ohN wrote: Well, what else can we do? Without PMs and two people dying every night we as a town need to act quickly. By killing Korynne, L allowed the cop to figure out his sanity and if the game continues like this, the cop will be vital in finding out the mafia. And yes, L could be godfather but he's the only one who proposed a working plan so we should follow it for now. We should follow L's plan without L. He proposed the plan and took the first shot. He could very well be the GF. With that in mind, it would make sense for him to take the first shot. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
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L
Canada4732 Posts
Its pretty ridiculous that some of you are saying I'm most likely town, then you attempt to say I should be shot. C'mon bros. Gameface. Anyone who can shoot is likely to be the GF, but again, look at the game format. Mafia don't need to do fuck all except stoke town to molest themselves, so they'll just call townies bad names and look for excuses to shoot them. Which was expected. Very expected. Mafia would also be itching to have less people claim and they'd likely submit a few fake shoot claims early too. By the end of the day I'll have a list of people who have done very little besides try to shit on other people, we're going to give one of those people the order to shoot the other and vice versa as per the original plan. DTs, check the least active people in the thread. Watcher, do whatever you want. SK kill me. Bomberman, lol i dunno. Mafia: hit me too, why not. 2 stones, one bird. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
And now: back to learning how to cold call recruiters. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Putting that aside, your idea is dumb because mafia will claim to be townies and, if the blues don't, we get nothing, if the blues do, free mafia kill list, especially if the town starts picking them off. Also, what's to stop the mafia from splitting themselves between both? One mafia goes in the can't shoot list, gets caught, and we think all the mafia are there and give the mafia more time. The plan is trying to force information but it doesn't actually force the mafia to do anything that endangers them. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On June 01 2010 05:25 TwoToneTerran wrote: Haha kiss my ass, L, I had to go to work this morning and I don't get off till atleast 3 cst. I left a post right before I went to bed yesterday and just because I can't literally be beside my computer all day doesn't mean I'm inactive. Hell, no one even responds to my posts or answers any of my goddamn questions, I can't even follow up on them. Putting that aside, your idea is dumb because mafia will claim to be townies and, if the blues don't, we get nothing, if the blues do, free mafia kill list, especially if the town starts picking them off. Also, what's to stop the mafia from splitting themselves between both? One mafia goes in the can't shoot list, gets caught, and we think all the mafia are there and give the mafia more time. The plan is trying to force information but it doesn't actually force the mafia to do anything that endangers them. Actually the moment I proposed the idea I started getting a huge amount of information about people by their reactions to the idea. If you are a green shooter there's literally nothing stopping you from claiming. We've had around 10 people claim to be shooters. The game has 17(?) people remaining. At minimum, we have 3 mafia members, 3 blues and 2 third party members that cannot shoot. So basically 1:2 people can't fire and we've had a huge list of people volunteering themselves to shoot. You guys think that the claim itself is the entire point of the plan; its not. The entire point of the plan is to pressure people into doing something and see how they react, and plenty of people have reacted in a manner which betrays the fact that they aren't green, including some of the people that have claimed to be shooters. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
I don't like your idea, and you're practically tying a leash on the town and are forcing them to either agree with your or disagree with you, and we all know what the latter will mean. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On June 01 2010 05:35 TwoToneTerran wrote: So, what, you have a list of people who made posting errors in response to your idea? I don't like your idea, and you're practically tying a leash on the town and are forcing them to either agree with your or disagree with you, and we all know what the latter will mean. See, I'm glad you're posting now, because it lets me do the following: Radfield died. Radfield posted a grand total of twice and both were good posts. Radfield posted this before dying: On May 31 2010 09:41 Radfield wrote: Some Thoughts I like L's basic plan of having people role claim. Even if it forces us to out our blues, if it can lead us to reds it's worthwhile. Trading blues for reds is a decent trade in this format, because both our medic and detective are not nearly as useful. Also, I highly doubt that mafia will even be targeting our blues this game. The real threat to the mafia are the confirmed shooters. Does it make sense for our blue roles to simply claim blue? Or should they outright state their role? By having them claim blue we can protect our watcher, who's the biggest asset to the town at this point. One problem with role claiming is we do NOT know how many blue roles there are. We might have 1 1 1, or we might have 2 cops/2 doctors/1 watcher. We really don't know, which means we learn a lot less from role claiming. SK should absolutely be hunting scum. They should also be doing whatever they can to make themselves a target for the mafia to prolong the town life. Bomberman is a total wildcard. Their chance of winning is very close to zero. Please do this. Do NOT shoot someone active. Mafia can coast so hard in this game simply by lurking. List of inactives off the top of my head(some of these people have posted, but not much) Amber[LighT] tree.hugger Nikon Vivi57 motbob ohN TwoToneTerran List of claimed Shooters DarthThienAn L BrownBear Xelin Chezinu Now, the important part here is that radfield essentially said he wanted us to kill people on that inactive list and he called out 7 people off the top of his head. Within the same page 3 of the targetted people posted large blocks of text: tree.hugger Vivi57 TwoToneTerran Objectively mafia are trying to lay low and just have members of the town shoot each other. They pop up when they can put a wedge between townies then slink away. So, TwoToneTerran, how do you feel about shooting vivi tomorrow? | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On that list of 7 people, who should shoot who? Lets have a talk. I say TTT shoots vivi or motbob. | ||
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
L(shot) BrownBear Motbob OhN Vivi57(?) That said, if motbob fails to shoot whoever shoots L, I will. XeliN(?) I am going to be shooting L at the first opportunity tomorrow irrespective of whether you all agree. LunarDestiny I might missed some people. Feel free to correct it. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
I think chez has a really good chance of being bomber. Despite saying all roles are random, I can't imagine ace choosing someone he thinks of as an idiot for that role because he'd be afraid of having to go through a dozen phrases before he finds a good one. Besides, in the same way that caller chose Ace to be sk in one of his red army games because the role fits him perfectly, bomber would fit chez perfectly. Combine that with his blabbering about codewords and I think we just found our bomber. It's also interesting how L consistently manages to have a magic plan for himself that he can't share with anyone and always leads the discussion to people arguing over his plan. So I am proposing something different: As a town, I think that we should silence L. How would we do this? We vote that he should be silenced and promise that if he talks, he will instantly be shot. I still believe L is green, but lots of good discussion will happen once people are able to talk about something other than "I agree with L" or "I disagree with L". | ||
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