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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
L is probably innocent, which is a real shame because once again he's the town's worst player.
Whatever you're motives were for shooting, and however smart or stupid your plan may have been, the point is that you didn't do anything with any kind of consensus, or any kind of agreement at all really. The town doesn't fall apart because people keep shooting other people—there's no reason to assume the mafia would shoot someone right off the bat to 'steal' a day kill from us—the town falls apart because people think they're smarter than everyone else, or they think that one person is hurting the town effort. Case in point; XeliN's vow to kill you tomorrow.
What I never liked about your plan was not solely the fact that it exposed our blues to night kills, (a point which should gain more attention, now that our medic is down, and I doubt we have another one) but also the fact that it relied purely on the intuition of a select group of people, (and by group I mean you, yourself, and your invisible friend Larry) and assumed somehow that they would be correct all the time. Your Napoleonic complex wouldn't have it any other way, I presume.
Rather, we should've been doing what I and a few others advocated from the start, which was choosing random people and assigning them to make the kill. We learn much more from that than we do from an idiot like you taking matters into your own hands.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
And there's absolutely no way I'm shoot-claiming because you say-so.
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On June 01 2010 06:21 LunarDestiny wrote:
Chezinu claimed? I can't find that anywhere.
His 'secret statement' is a post in another game which is about a confirmed shooter.
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Currently I won't shoot L at the first opportunity, I will wait to see what the town idea is and if someone else is suggested to shoot L as a means to confirm them (or limit them to town or godfather)
That said I will probably end up shooting L if we don't agree on getting someone else to kill him, my point is I won't be doing it straight away.
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On June 01 2010 06:40 tree.hugger wrote:
L is probably innocent, which is a real shame because once again he's the town's worst player.
Whatever you're motives were for shooting, and however smart or stupid your plan may have been, the point is that you didn't do anything with any kind of consensus, or any kind of agreement at all really. The town doesn't fall apart because people keep shooting other people—there's no reason to assume the mafia would shoot someone right off the bat to 'steal' a day kill from us—the town falls apart because people think they're smarter than everyone else, or they think that one person is hurting the town effort. Case in point; XeliN's vow to kill you tomorrow.
What I never liked about your plan was not solely the fact that it exposed our blues to night kills, (a point which should gain more attention, now that our medic is down, and I doubt we have another one) but also the fact that it relied purely on the intuition of a select group of people, (and by group I mean you, yourself, and your invisible friend Larry) and assumed somehow that they would be correct all the time. Your Napoleonic complex wouldn't have it any other way, I presume.
Rather, we should've been doing what I and a few others advocated from the start, which was choosing random people and assigning them to make the kill. We learn much more from that than we do from an idiot like you taking matters into your own hands.
Yeah, you're incredibly stupid, as usual.
Lets do some math, shall we townies?
Game started with 20 people. 6 of those hate us. Of the remaining 14, 3 or more are blue, giving us 11 or less shooters.
3 people have died. 2 greens and 1 blue, leaving us with 17 people, 2 or more blues and up to 9 shooters. 3 people die per cycle, the medic's dead so its unlikely that we have defenses on that side. We get 1 day kill per 1 SK kill and 1 Mafia hit.
So, what does this mean? It means the game isn't going to last long. Lets show the math:
Night 1: 20->18
Day 1: 18->17
Night 2 (now): 17->15
Day 2 (our next hit): 15->14
Night 3: 14->12 **** Note: If we miss our hit during the day, HALF of the players in the game are going to be anti-town unless the SK is a bro and does some of our job for us.
Day 3: 12->11
Night 4: 11->9 -> 3 townies, 4 mafia members, and 2 3rd parties left worse case scenario.
So simply put, we lose day 3 if we haven't made a proper hit. But lets remember something: Mafia have a day hit. If we miss our hit today, mafia hijack our next hit and if SK/mafia don't get unlucky, WE LOSE.
We don't have fucking time to dick around and have little duels between you and your yu-gi-oh friends. Random shooting does not threaten mafia members. It doesn't put people on the spot. We don't have 4 days to clear them all out unless we rely on the third parties to help us out. If they get put on the spot on day 2, they claim blue and we have literally zero time to verify them before the game ends, which also means that blues have to be shot on day 2 if they're given a shoot order and fail to comply, which ALSO ends the game for us. The only way to pressure people is to concatenate the list of potential shooters immediately and then start assigning people to shoot based on that, then use fishing expeditions in the thread to see how people react so that we have accurate hits from this night onwards.
There are only 2 real methods of avoiding this: We find the SK and kill him tonight or tomorrow, or we get the GF because that helps us tremendously regarding clearing our shooters.
So no, random shooting is fucking dumb. Look at the list of inactive people and choose someone to shoot someone else. within those 7 people.
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The was pretty retarded to kill Korynne, she was obviously a townie >.> Someone is pretty bad at simple behavior analysis. Big lol at the post above me. L says: Random shooting is fucking dumb. no fucking shit. oh wait, I guess that means L is fucking dumb.
But now that that is out of the way, we should shoot LunarDestiny tomorrow. Not L, even if he is retarded.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On June 01 2010 06:59 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 06:40 tree.hugger wrote:
L is probably innocent, which is a real shame because once again he's the town's worst player.
Whatever you're motives were for shooting, and however smart or stupid your plan may have been, the point is that you didn't do anything with any kind of consensus, or any kind of agreement at all really. The town doesn't fall apart because people keep shooting other people—there's no reason to assume the mafia would shoot someone right off the bat to 'steal' a day kill from us—the town falls apart because people think they're smarter than everyone else, or they think that one person is hurting the town effort. Case in point; XeliN's vow to kill you tomorrow.
What I never liked about your plan was not solely the fact that it exposed our blues to night kills, (a point which should gain more attention, now that our medic is down, and I doubt we have another one) but also the fact that it relied purely on the intuition of a select group of people, (and by group I mean you, yourself, and your invisible friend Larry) and assumed somehow that they would be correct all the time. Your Napoleonic complex wouldn't have it any other way, I presume.
Rather, we should've been doing what I and a few others advocated from the start, which was choosing random people and assigning them to make the kill. We learn much more from that than we do from an idiot like you taking matters into your own hands. Yeah, you're incredibly stupid, as usual. Lets do some math, shall we townies? Game started with 20 people. 6 of those hate us. Of the remaining 14, 3 or more are blue, giving us 11 or less shooters. 3 people have died. 2 greens and 1 blue, leaving us with 17 people, 2 or more blues and up to 9 shooters. 3 people die per cycle, the medic's dead so its unlikely that we have defenses on that side. We get 1 day kill per 1 SK kill and 1 Mafia hit. So, what does this mean? It means the game isn't going to last long. Lets show the math: Night 1: 20->18 Day 1: 18->17 Night 2 (now): 17->15 Day 2 (our next hit): 15->14 Night 3: 14->12 **** Note: If we miss our hit during the day, HALF of the players in the game are going to be anti-town unless the SK is a bro and does some of our job for us. Day 3: 12->11 Night 4: 11->9 -> 3 townies, 4 mafia members, and 2 3rd parties left worse case scenario. So simply put, we lose day 3 if we haven't made a proper hit. But lets remember something: Mafia have a day hit. If we miss our hit today, mafia hijack our next hit and if SK/mafia don't get unlucky, WE LOSE.
The alternative, of course, is that you waste all of our hits for us, while we applaud and say words of encouragement like "close one L!" or "you'll get'em next time".
You think this is a school play where you've been cast as the lead, and the rest of us have been cast as the trees int eh background, with a few choreographed dances to do, and a chorus to your songs.
It's your attitude that loses games. Deal with it.
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Xelin, please do not shoot L. I'm serious.
That said, if he does, DO NOT SHOOT HIM. Mafia will just get to sit back, laugh, and watch us kill ourselves.
I'm for shooting either a) an inactive or b) someone who posted right after someone says "hey we should kill inactives".
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The alternative, of course, is that you waste all of our hits for us, while we applaud and say words of encouragement like "close one L!" or "you'll get'em next time".
You think this is a school play where you've been cast as the lead, and the rest of us have been cast as the trees int eh background, with a few choreographed dances to do, and a chorus to your songs.
It's your attitude that loses games. Deal with it. Are you really that afraid to talk about radfield's list because he called you out?
Looks like we found a mafia member.
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On June 01 2010 07:11 BrownBear wrote:
Xelin, please do not shoot L. I'm serious.
That said, if he does, DO NOT SHOOT HIM. Mafia will just get to sit back, laugh, and watch us kill ourselves.
I'm for shooting either a) an inactive or b) someone who posted right after someone says "hey we should kill inactives".
If he shoots me, the game is over and we lose unlese we're faster than the GF during day 3, and even then there's not much going for us.
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The hell Iaaan, you came out of nowhere and said I should be shot.
Give me a reason why I should be shot.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On June 01 2010 07:12 L wrote:Show nested quote +The alternative, of course, is that you waste all of our hits for us, while we applaud and say words of encouragement like "close one L!" or "you'll get'em next time".
You think this is a school play where you've been cast as the lead, and the rest of us have been cast as the trees int eh background, with a few choreographed dances to do, and a chorus to your songs.
It's your attitude that loses games. Deal with it. Are you really that afraid to talk about radfield's list because he called you out? Looks like we found a mafia member.
When did I have to talk about Radfield's list? He posted it while I was asleep.
But aren't you being a little disingenuous? They're your lists, you brought them up, shouldn't you be taking credit for them?
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On June 01 2010 06:42 tree.hugger wrote:
And there's absolutely no way I'm shoot-claiming because you say-so.
This makes you suspicious in my eyes. You have nothing to lose by claiming you can shoot so this draws a lot of attention towards you.
Whether or not you like L, I think you can agree that having people claim whether or not they can shoot helps the town.
The mafia/anti-town who can't shoot have to either lie or dodge the question and that narrows our list of who to be suspicious of substantially.
Well, unless you're cop/watcher, which fucks up this idea completely and you'd be dead by tomorrow since mafia/sk wouldn't want you alive.
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On June 01 2010 07:20 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 07:12 L wrote:The alternative, of course, is that you waste all of our hits for us, while we applaud and say words of encouragement like "close one L!" or "you'll get'em next time".
You think this is a school play where you've been cast as the lead, and the rest of us have been cast as the trees int eh background, with a few choreographed dances to do, and a chorus to your songs.
It's your attitude that loses games. Deal with it. Are you really that afraid to talk about radfield's list because he called you out? Looks like we found a mafia member. When did I have to talk about Radfield's list? He posted it while I was asleep. But aren't you being a little disingenuous? They're your lists, you brought them up, shouldn't you be taking credit for them?
Uh, I brought it up as the topic for discussion last page.
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Nice L, you've actually outlined some valid argument and explained it properly. Not simply spouted this is what were doing and given little to no explanation whatsoever. I'm pretty high right so not in the best state to do character analysis but your starting to seem more pro town to me.
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On June 01 2010 07:44 XeliN wrote:
Nice L, you've actually outlined some valid argument and explained it properly. Not simply spouted this is what were doing and given little to no explanation whatsoever. I'm pretty high right so not in the best state to do character analysis but your starting to seem more pro town to me.
I told you i'd give more explanation today. I can't exactly go "lol, here's the trap i'm setting, walk into it if its designed for you".
Now get less high and start posting properly. Radfield list: who on it should shoot who else on it?
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Although Tree.Hugger is right about the list your putting so much emphasis on.Radfield didn't even say at any point that he was accusing the inactives of being potential scum because of that, and your using that assumption as a basis for your accusations.
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On June 01 2010 06:39 Vivi57 wrote:
Interesting response L. I'm not sure what kind of response you're expecting out of me and motbob, but I'm sure you're fishing for reactions.
I think chez has a really good chance of being bomber. Despite saying all roles are random, I can't imagine ace choosing someone he thinks of as an idiot for that role because he'd be afraid of having to go through a dozen phrases before he finds a good one. Besides, in the same way that caller chose Ace to be sk in one of his red army games because the role fits him perfectly, bomber would fit chez perfectly. Combine that with his blabbering about codewords and I think we just found our bomber.
It's also interesting how L consistently manages to have a magic plan for himself that he can't share with anyone and always leads the discussion to people arguing over his plan. So I am proposing something different:
As a town, I think that we should silence L. How would we do this? We vote that he should be silenced and promise that if he talks, he will instantly be shot.
I still believe L is green, but lots of good discussion will happen once people are able to talk about something other than "I agree with L" or "I disagree with L".
lol this post came out of nowhere.
So the town should allow L to live, but he can't post, shoot, or discuss strategy. What's the point of keeping him alive to just threaten him?
You're not exactly someone to be trusted Vivi lol
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On June 01 2010 07:47 XeliN wrote:
Although Tree.Hugger is right about the list your putting so much emphasis on.Radfield didn't even say at any point that he was accusing the inactives of being potential scum because of that, and your using that assumption as a basis for your accusations.
Okay, find something better to put emphasis on.
I'm all open for suggestions, but no one is making any because they're a bit too content to shit around and throw rocks at me.
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On June 01 2010 07:53 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 06:39 Vivi57 wrote:
Interesting response L. I'm not sure what kind of response you're expecting out of me and motbob, but I'm sure you're fishing for reactions.
I think chez has a really good chance of being bomber. Despite saying all roles are random, I can't imagine ace choosing someone he thinks of as an idiot for that role because he'd be afraid of having to go through a dozen phrases before he finds a good one. Besides, in the same way that caller chose Ace to be sk in one of his red army games because the role fits him perfectly, bomber would fit chez perfectly. Combine that with his blabbering about codewords and I think we just found our bomber.
It's also interesting how L consistently manages to have a magic plan for himself that he can't share with anyone and always leads the discussion to people arguing over his plan. So I am proposing something different:
As a town, I think that we should silence L. How would we do this? We vote that he should be silenced and promise that if he talks, he will instantly be shot.
I still believe L is green, but lots of good discussion will happen once people are able to talk about something other than "I agree with L" or "I disagree with L". lol this post came out of nowhere. So the town should allow L to live, but he can't post, shoot, or discuss strategy. What's the point of keeping him alive to just threaten him? You're not exactly someone to be trusted Vivi lol
Yeah he's kinda dumb.
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