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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
lol Alaric.
If you don't want to watch good play, then please stop watching League. If you want to watch a buncha braindead monkeys throw games and do dumb shit and play the game not at the highest level, go watch NA or EU LCS.
I don't understand why you're complaining. It's like saying "Flash is too good at TvZ because he's just too good. Once he gets slightly ahead no one comes back".
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 28 2013 17:28 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 17:26 Ryuu314 wrote:On September 28 2013 17:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 28 2013 17:22 Fusilero wrote:On September 28 2013 17:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I think sword were really afraid of jax snowballing on the shen. On one hand shen can't snowball even after a kill, but on the other hand if you leave jax alone he will destroy the shen and become unstoppable. I don't think their gameplan was that bad given the situation of ahri being really far behind faker at that point and faker's positioning in lane being super good. It would be impossible to gank that lane without giving up 1 or 2 for it.
Doublelift was also right. Cain and Pray should have had so much more lane presence and pressure but they didn't.
Most of all I think sword got pushed into a corner during pick/ban phase. Expession picking shen is like Flame picking shen. It feels like a bizarre oversight that one of the biggest teams for using jax vs shen would overlook that match up so hard and first pick shen without having a real plan for jax except 50 nocturne ults. Shen first pick was mindboggling. Renekton and jax were both on the field and expession is capable of playing both. He could have just first picked renekton if he wanted to and there's really no great answer for that. SKT were not going to pick shen in game 5 i'd bet anything on that. Except Shen first pick was standard for much of season 3 and this tourney. First picking Shen was not "mindboggling" until you put into perspective how the metagame developed through the tourney and this set. This series showed that you have to adapt to the given situation and the team you're facing. I'd also like to note that Sword weren't that keen on shen, even when he was available to them. It's like the changed their philosophy for whatever reason.
I believe they wanted to try to run a hardcore dive comp where shen ults onto nocturne and messes up the backline so ahri can pick somebody off and caitlyn can just deal safe damage without much help but they never really got to play it out.
Imo picking nocturne in the 2nd round with shen showed their hands too much
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On September 28 2013 17:26 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 17:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 28 2013 17:22 Fusilero wrote:On September 28 2013 17:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I think sword were really afraid of jax snowballing on the shen. On one hand shen can't snowball even after a kill, but on the other hand if you leave jax alone he will destroy the shen and become unstoppable. I don't think their gameplan was that bad given the situation of ahri being really far behind faker at that point and faker's positioning in lane being super good. It would be impossible to gank that lane without giving up 1 or 2 for it.
Doublelift was also right. Cain and Pray should have had so much more lane presence and pressure but they didn't.
Most of all I think sword got pushed into a corner during pick/ban phase. Expession picking shen is like Flame picking shen. It feels like a bizarre oversight that one of the biggest teams for using jax vs shen would overlook that match up so hard and first pick shen without having a real plan for jax except 50 nocturne ults. Shen first pick was mindboggling. Renekton and jax were both on the field and expession is capable of playing both. He could have just first picked renekton if he wanted to and there's really no great answer for that. SKT were not going to pick shen in game 5 i'd bet anything on that. Except Shen first pick was standard for much of season 3 and this tourney. First picking Shen was not "mindboggling" until you put into perspective how the metagame developed through the tourney and this set.
SKT was smart enough to realize that banning Gragas was a good idea but Sword is too stupid to realize that shen seems to be doing pooly? They literally have played in the exact same 4 games that Skt just did and they couldn't pick up on that. It is mindboggling.
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Such a strange view seeing him without a mic, but a headset instead.
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United States3241 Posts
On September 28 2013 17:22 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 17:21 qanik wrote:On September 28 2013 17:16 Roffles wrote:
Look at what's been posted in the last few pages of this thread.
It's all a bunch of morons whining about how Sword gave us a great 5 set series and that SKT going to the finals is anti-hype or whatever shit. Then on the other hand we have a bunch of people who are spewing ridiculous bullshit left and right about Fnatic and all the regional play when all we know is these teams are all on a comparable level and who knows what may happen any given day.
C9 took a game off Fnatic. Gambit took a game off Sword. OMG took a game off SKT. What you guys need to realize is that these players are all world class caliber players, and that anything can happen. Stop jumping to ridiculous conclusions that Xpeke is 10x better than Nagne and that Fnatic would shit all over SKT.
Fnatic's played well, but they still haven't played against a legit Chinese/Korean team. You can hype them and give them chances, but to spew bullshit like Shikyo's doing right now is just ridiculous. lol rofl @ u lol'in @ me.
Roflmfao.
Im really sad sword lost.
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On September 28 2013 17:30 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 17:28 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 28 2013 17:26 Ryuu314 wrote:On September 28 2013 17:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 28 2013 17:22 Fusilero wrote:On September 28 2013 17:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I think sword were really afraid of jax snowballing on the shen. On one hand shen can't snowball even after a kill, but on the other hand if you leave jax alone he will destroy the shen and become unstoppable. I don't think their gameplan was that bad given the situation of ahri being really far behind faker at that point and faker's positioning in lane being super good. It would be impossible to gank that lane without giving up 1 or 2 for it.
Doublelift was also right. Cain and Pray should have had so much more lane presence and pressure but they didn't.
Most of all I think sword got pushed into a corner during pick/ban phase. Expession picking shen is like Flame picking shen. It feels like a bizarre oversight that one of the biggest teams for using jax vs shen would overlook that match up so hard and first pick shen without having a real plan for jax except 50 nocturne ults. Shen first pick was mindboggling. Renekton and jax were both on the field and expession is capable of playing both. He could have just first picked renekton if he wanted to and there's really no great answer for that. SKT were not going to pick shen in game 5 i'd bet anything on that. Except Shen first pick was standard for much of season 3 and this tourney. First picking Shen was not "mindboggling" until you put into perspective how the metagame developed through the tourney and this set. This series showed that you have to adapt to the given situation and the team you're facing. I'd also like to note that Sword weren't that keen on shen, even when he was available to them. It's like the changed their philosophy for whatever reason. I believe they wanted to try to run a hardcore dive comp where shen ults onto nocturne and messes up the backline so ahri can pick somebody off and caitlyn can just deal safe damage without much help but they never really got to play it out.
True. If this was the case they should've targeted the bot lane 100% of the time. Even killing off zyra and transitioning into a free dragon would have given them a good chance to pull ahead this game, although obviously they'd still have to deal with the jax. I don't see NJS winning that game by targetting jax though unless it's SUPER early and jax just falls like 50 cs behind.
Also lol bo3 format
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 28 2013 17:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 17:30 Fusilero wrote:On September 28 2013 17:28 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 28 2013 17:26 Ryuu314 wrote:On September 28 2013 17:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 28 2013 17:22 Fusilero wrote:On September 28 2013 17:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I think sword were really afraid of jax snowballing on the shen. On one hand shen can't snowball even after a kill, but on the other hand if you leave jax alone he will destroy the shen and become unstoppable. I don't think their gameplan was that bad given the situation of ahri being really far behind faker at that point and faker's positioning in lane being super good. It would be impossible to gank that lane without giving up 1 or 2 for it.
Doublelift was also right. Cain and Pray should have had so much more lane presence and pressure but they didn't.
Most of all I think sword got pushed into a corner during pick/ban phase. Expession picking shen is like Flame picking shen. It feels like a bizarre oversight that one of the biggest teams for using jax vs shen would overlook that match up so hard and first pick shen without having a real plan for jax except 50 nocturne ults. Shen first pick was mindboggling. Renekton and jax were both on the field and expession is capable of playing both. He could have just first picked renekton if he wanted to and there's really no great answer for that. SKT were not going to pick shen in game 5 i'd bet anything on that. Except Shen first pick was standard for much of season 3 and this tourney. First picking Shen was not "mindboggling" until you put into perspective how the metagame developed through the tourney and this set. This series showed that you have to adapt to the given situation and the team you're facing. I'd also like to note that Sword weren't that keen on shen, even when he was available to them. It's like the changed their philosophy for whatever reason. I believe they wanted to try to run a hardcore dive comp where shen ults onto nocturne and messes up the backline so ahri can pick somebody off and caitlyn can just deal safe damage without much help but they never really got to play it out. True. If this was the case they should've targeted the bot lane 100% of the time. Even killing off zyra and transitioning into a free dragon would have given them a good chance to pull ahead this game, although obviously they'd still have to deal with the jax. I don't see NJS winning that game by targetting jax though unless it's SUPER early and jax just falls like 50 cs behind.
Targeting jax early isn't the worst decision, it relieves pressure so expession can be ready to ult at all time without too much threat but when they tunneled onto him and just ignored bot it was a pretty wtf decision.
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On September 28 2013 17:33 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 17:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 28 2013 17:30 Fusilero wrote:On September 28 2013 17:28 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 28 2013 17:26 Ryuu314 wrote:On September 28 2013 17:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 28 2013 17:22 Fusilero wrote:On September 28 2013 17:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I think sword were really afraid of jax snowballing on the shen. On one hand shen can't snowball even after a kill, but on the other hand if you leave jax alone he will destroy the shen and become unstoppable. I don't think their gameplan was that bad given the situation of ahri being really far behind faker at that point and faker's positioning in lane being super good. It would be impossible to gank that lane without giving up 1 or 2 for it.
Doublelift was also right. Cain and Pray should have had so much more lane presence and pressure but they didn't.
Most of all I think sword got pushed into a corner during pick/ban phase. Expession picking shen is like Flame picking shen. It feels like a bizarre oversight that one of the biggest teams for using jax vs shen would overlook that match up so hard and first pick shen without having a real plan for jax except 50 nocturne ults. Shen first pick was mindboggling. Renekton and jax were both on the field and expession is capable of playing both. He could have just first picked renekton if he wanted to and there's really no great answer for that. SKT were not going to pick shen in game 5 i'd bet anything on that. Except Shen first pick was standard for much of season 3 and this tourney. First picking Shen was not "mindboggling" until you put into perspective how the metagame developed through the tourney and this set. This series showed that you have to adapt to the given situation and the team you're facing. I'd also like to note that Sword weren't that keen on shen, even when he was available to them. It's like the changed their philosophy for whatever reason. I believe they wanted to try to run a hardcore dive comp where shen ults onto nocturne and messes up the backline so ahri can pick somebody off and caitlyn can just deal safe damage without much help but they never really got to play it out. True. If this was the case they should've targeted the bot lane 100% of the time. Even killing off zyra and transitioning into a free dragon would have given them a good chance to pull ahead this game, although obviously they'd still have to deal with the jax. I don't see NJS winning that game by targetting jax though unless it's SUPER early and jax just falls like 50 cs behind. Targeting jax early isn't the worst decision, it relieves pressure so expession can be ready to ult at all time without too much threat but when they tunneled onto him and just ignored bot it was a pretty wtf decision.
That's right. Kobe pointed out an incredibly juicy time to double global the bot lane and take dragon but Noc just came down and left for no reason.
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On September 28 2013 17:33 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 17:32 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 28 2013 17:30 Fusilero wrote:On September 28 2013 17:28 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 28 2013 17:26 Ryuu314 wrote:On September 28 2013 17:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 28 2013 17:22 Fusilero wrote:On September 28 2013 17:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I think sword were really afraid of jax snowballing on the shen. On one hand shen can't snowball even after a kill, but on the other hand if you leave jax alone he will destroy the shen and become unstoppable. I don't think their gameplan was that bad given the situation of ahri being really far behind faker at that point and faker's positioning in lane being super good. It would be impossible to gank that lane without giving up 1 or 2 for it.
Doublelift was also right. Cain and Pray should have had so much more lane presence and pressure but they didn't.
Most of all I think sword got pushed into a corner during pick/ban phase. Expession picking shen is like Flame picking shen. It feels like a bizarre oversight that one of the biggest teams for using jax vs shen would overlook that match up so hard and first pick shen without having a real plan for jax except 50 nocturne ults. Shen first pick was mindboggling. Renekton and jax were both on the field and expession is capable of playing both. He could have just first picked renekton if he wanted to and there's really no great answer for that. SKT were not going to pick shen in game 5 i'd bet anything on that. Except Shen first pick was standard for much of season 3 and this tourney. First picking Shen was not "mindboggling" until you put into perspective how the metagame developed through the tourney and this set. This series showed that you have to adapt to the given situation and the team you're facing. I'd also like to note that Sword weren't that keen on shen, even when he was available to them. It's like the changed their philosophy for whatever reason. I believe they wanted to try to run a hardcore dive comp where shen ults onto nocturne and messes up the backline so ahri can pick somebody off and caitlyn can just deal safe damage without much help but they never really got to play it out. True. If this was the case they should've targeted the bot lane 100% of the time. Even killing off zyra and transitioning into a free dragon would have given them a good chance to pull ahead this game, although obviously they'd still have to deal with the jax. I don't see NJS winning that game by targetting jax though unless it's SUPER early and jax just falls like 50 cs behind. Targeting jax early isn't the worst decision, it relieves pressure so expession can be ready to ult at all time without too much threat but when they tunneled onto him and just ignored bot it was a pretty wtf decision.
Watch showed strong mechanical play but he was clearly worse than bengi this series. Bengi wasted no time and was always in the right place at the right time every time.
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On September 28 2013 17:16 Roffles wrote:
Look at what's been posted in the last few pages of this thread.
It's all a bunch of morons whining about how Sword gave us a great 5 set series and that SKT going to the finals is anti-hype or whatever shit. Then on the other hand we have a bunch of people who are spewing ridiculous bullshit left and right about Fnatic and all the regional play when all we know is these teams are all on a comparable level and who knows what may happen any given day.
C9 took a game off Fnatic. Gambit took a game off Sword. OMG took a game off SKT. What you guys need to realize is that these players are all world class caliber players, and that anything can happen. Stop jumping to ridiculous conclusions that Xpeke is 10x better than Nagne and that Fnatic would shit all over SKT.
Fnatic's played well, but they still haven't played against a legit Chinese/Korean team. You can hype them and give them chances, but to spew bullshit like Shikyo's doing right now is just ridiculous.
Completely agree with you, however I find it hypocritical that when everyone says Ozone/OMG/Royal/SKT will stomp Fnatic no one has a problem with it, but the 1 single guy that says the opposite gets hit by the anger of a thousand fanboys.
Hell, I remember Shake and a bunch of others saying there's no way C9 can drop a BoX to any team from the group stages considering how they had played so far and even that didn't get as many vitriolic responses as Shikyo.
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Najin's game 5 picks were very uncomfortable imo. Nagne has a bad record with Ahri and the cait and shen picks weren't threatening. Also game 2 they really should have switched it up a bit. It's laziness or disrespect to not think SKT would adapt.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 28 2013 17:40 caelym wrote:
Najin's game 5 picks were very uncomfortable imo. Nagne has a bad record with Ahri and the cait and shen picks weren't threatening. Also game 2 they really should have switched it up a bit. It's laziness or disrespect to not think SKT would adapt.
Doing the same strat twice vs SKT was just bad, it's been shown countless times that you can't get away with the same strategy against SKT they'll always adapt. Look at KTB they were looking amazing with fast push but SKT just figured it out mid series both times.
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i think fnatic are in a really decent position to take out royal. its more on how royal will prepare for fnatic's comps imo. i'd put it at 50-50 at worst for fnatic right now. if royal have a good preparation (for instance, having wh1t3zz brush up on his kassadin and prepare some drafting scenarios to let kassadin through the bans and yet not let him be firstpickworthy) they could get a good advantage from the draft and i'd in turn favor them. but we don't know what kind of prep they have.
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I think royal are overhyped. Good team, but not enough shown by them to really see what they've got. Fnatic and SKT have proven themselves. Tabe + Uzi wrecked OMG, but can they do the same again? Tabe gives a lot of respect to SKT's botlane and believes poohmandu to be better than him which is surprising. Uzi is really fucking good, I don't think uzi is overhyped from what I've seen from him throughout LPL and World's, but I don't think he'll keep outclassing other ADCs. He'll keep doing well, but I just don't see him dominating the same way faker did today from now on.
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On September 28 2013 17:29 Roffles wrote:
lol Alaric.
If you don't want to watch good play, then please stop watching League. If you want to watch a buncha braindead monkeys throw games and do dumb shit and play the game not at the highest level, go watch NA or EU LCS.
I don't understand why you're complaining. It's like saying "Flash is too good at TvZ because he's just too good. Once he gets slightly ahead no one comes back".
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No its like saying " i hate it when there are onesided games in a semi final"
I mean there is only potential for these kind of games when one team is lacking, its just not that much fun to watch it when u pretty much know after a few mins who is going to win it.
In game 5 it was even worse, it was pretty much clear after pick/ban. Thats the problem with lol / mobas? , the snowball is pretty damn hard to overcome.
Well maybe it was more cause of the shitty tournament structure ( najin gets a direct seed into quarter, srsly?), they arent on the lvl to be in the semis in the first place.
Hope Royal vs Fnatic and the final will be more exciting than this semi..
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On September 28 2013 17:29 Roffles wrote:
lol Alaric.
If you don't want to watch good play, then please stop watching League. If you want to watch a buncha braindead monkeys throw games and do dumb shit and play the game not at the highest level, go watch NA or EU LCS.
I don't understand why you're complaining. It's like saying "Flash is too good at TvZ because he's just too good. Once he gets slightly ahead no one comes back".
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When I try to get exhaustive people complain that my posts are too long.
When I try not to be concise you complain that my point isn't detailed. z_z
Edit: the red viper made a point close to mine while being way shorter so I'll just spoiler that out.
+ Show Spoiler +Guess I'll try again: I never said I wanted to see throws. I said the opposite: if the only thing that can prevent the game from being over is a huge-ass throw in the next minutes, then either the game is over, or it's going to be NA/EU LCS-level like you criticise. None of which is particularly exciting (although seeing who one roots for get to stomp over the other team's heads for 10 straight minutes has its merits for some, I guess).
In games 2 and 4, not only these were one-sided stomps decided at 7 minutes, but it wasn't due to SKT playing well or making highlight reel-worthy stuff or anything, it was Sword's line-up going full retard. Pray suicided in both games, Nagne's first death as Gragas in game 2 was awful and reeked of unwarranted greediness, Cain suicided a whole bunch in game 4 too.
I don't complain when I watch Flash's TvZ, I'm impressed and I'm all "wow, he's good" and I enjoy it. Most of the time.
Then you tune in to some sc2 game with a guy called BitByBit who SCV all-ins 6 minutes in, fails pathetically, ggs out. Do you go "wow his opponent had such high-level micro and clean decision-making!" every time or just "that was some dumb all-in"?
Sword were BitByBit in these two games, digging their own hole, jumping in and asking SKT to pour in the cement. And the applications on the overall series (and also % of games these 2 represented) tilted the series strongly to the "bad" side, in spite of the good/disputed games 1 and 3, for me.
Look, I'll be the first one to admit that I can overreact, especially based on gut feeling like here. Doesn't change the fact that the basic reaction to the game was more "damn, dumb shit by Sword" than "wow, great stuff by SKT!" and that it tends to make games a great deal less enjoyable than the latter.
To give you an example, I'm rooting for Royal (and for the other smug wannabes, yes it'd help my fantasy team) in the other semis, however if they lose I'll be a bit disappointed but not necessarily mad at the series.
If Royal wins 3 games decided by level 1 invades allowed by glaring Fnatic misplays that net one of Royal's carries a pentakill, you can be pretty sure I'll be mad at Fnatic and call the series trash, regardless of the fact that the team I root for will have won.
On September 28 2013 17:26 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 17:24 Alaric wrote:On September 28 2013 17:13 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Man this was a great series, what's wrong with you guys? Part of the thrill of big-spectacle competition is seeing how the players cope with the pressure. To be fair, I wouldn't have complained so much if Najin had just gotten rolled (which I expected), compared to this series where you first get hope of something actually close, or even an upset (which raises the hype no matter who you root for), happening, only for it to be crushed later. "Don't get your hopes up" and all that. If I was to summarise the series from how I perceived/felt it, it went: - close game, gives hope for a good series (esp. after considering Sword's performance vs Gambit which made a bunch of people think they wouldn't hold a candle to SKT) - uninteresting one-sided stomp, game over by 7 minutes barring major throws, flukes happen. - another close game, reinforces the idea that the previous one was probably just a fluke and the next one or two should be really exciting. - uninteresting one-sided stomp², game over by 5 minutes only this time. Two flukes is harder to believe. Annoys with the fact that 2 games out of 5 have already been abysmal, sows more doubt towards Sword's consistency (and thus the ability to expect good, exciting games from them), starts making dread that Sword's performances are random and the next game may be an even worse stomp. - game lost at champ select, kills the hype and expectations unless you believe/wish to see Sword majorly outplay SKT, which is unlikely to happen considering the past 4 games. The first few minutes pretty much confirm the impression. When more than half the games have the viewers think "yeah it's over barring huge, willing suspension-shattering throws" before the 10 minutes mark, it's hard to stay hyped and excited through-out the whole thing. The games were great. Stop trying to upset PX for shit poster award.
"You're wrong and stupid, I'm right!"
Thanks for the input. Care to develop what makes you think these games were great? Could be a decent way to reply to me actually saying why I thought they were bad.
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I think SKT T1 > Royal > Fnatic but there are very good chances of upsets.
Plus my Fantasy team is 5x Fnatic soooo...
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On September 28 2013 17:49 silencefc wrote:
I think SKT T1 > Royal > Fnatic but there are very good chances of upsets.
Plus my Fantasy team is 5x Fnatic soooo...
Mine is 4xFnatic 2xNJSB ;..; I was so hoping for the upset. Now I might eventually end up like ~40 or smth.
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On September 28 2013 17:47 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 17:26 xes wrote:On September 28 2013 17:24 Alaric wrote:On September 28 2013 17:13 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Man this was a great series, what's wrong with you guys? Part of the thrill of big-spectacle competition is seeing how the players cope with the pressure. To be fair, I wouldn't have complained so much if Najin had just gotten rolled (which I expected), compared to this series where you first get hope of something actually close, or even an upset (which raises the hype no matter who you root for), happening, only for it to be crushed later. "Don't get your hopes up" and all that. If I was to summarise the series from how I perceived/felt it, it went: - close game, gives hope for a good series (esp. after considering Sword's performance vs Gambit which made a bunch of people think they wouldn't hold a candle to SKT) - uninteresting one-sided stomp, game over by 7 minutes barring major throws, flukes happen. - another close game, reinforces the idea that the previous one was probably just a fluke and the next one or two should be really exciting. - uninteresting one-sided stomp², game over by 5 minutes only this time. Two flukes is harder to believe. Annoys with the fact that 2 games out of 5 have already been abysmal, sows more doubt towards Sword's consistency (and thus the ability to expect good, exciting games from them), starts making dread that Sword's performances are random and the next game may be an even worse stomp. - game lost at champ select, kills the hype and expectations unless you believe/wish to see Sword majorly outplay SKT, which is unlikely to happen considering the past 4 games. The first few minutes pretty much confirm the impression. When more than half the games have the viewers think "yeah it's over barring huge, willing suspension-shattering throws" before the 10 minutes mark, it's hard to stay hyped and excited through-out the whole thing. The games were great. Stop trying to upset PX for shit poster award. "You're wrong and stupid, I'm right!" Thanks for the input. Care to develop what makes you think these games were great? Could be a decent way to reply to me actually saying why I thought they were bad.
Sword were clearly the worse team but still managed to put up a fight. That's much more interesting than watching a 3-0 which you said you would rather have. It's like you watch games for the results rather than the process.
Its like in tennis when the worse player takes sets off of the better player, the games are all very very close. When the better player takes sets off the worse player its like 6-0 6-2.
This is exacerbated by the fact that LoL is extremely positional and basically once you have enough pieces, checkmate! its almost impossible to lose and you can win very explosively. Anything deviating from that is bad play, either in poor execution or poor strategy.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
it seems like when skt didn't trap themselves into the shen fp problem, they rolled najin.
najin did pretty well with the safe lineup that won't get deleted by assassins thing, but skt isn't a team that can only win one way. faker was picking karthus and ori a ton in spring, but ditched the farming style after ozone crushed them. it's back to save the day here.
locking yourself into shen was even worse considering how much more scouting sword has on skt than vice versa. they knew faker's aggressive tendencies g1 and really picked everything to counter it.
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