EPTReally hyped for the next semi though! Can't wait.
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1ntrigue
Australia948 Posts
Really hyped for the next semi though! Can't wait. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 28 2013 17:45 Navi wrote: i think fnatic are in a really decent position to take out royal. its more on how royal will prepare for fnatic's comps imo. i'd put it at 50-50 at worst for fnatic right now. if royal have a good preparation (for instance, having wh1t3zz brush up on his kassadin and prepare some drafting scenarios to let kassadin through the bans and yet not let him be firstpickworthy) they could get a good advantage from the draft and i'd in turn favor them. but we don't know what kind of prep they have. The thing that's become very clear over Worlds is that 3.10a is a very mid-centric version of the game, and this definitely favors Fnatic. I've said this for a long time--at this caliber of play, the difference in overall skill for a team is not what dictates who wins and loses. Here is were a lot of factors other than just plain skill at the game come into play. The two important ones are the mental game in a Bo5, and how well the version suits a given team's playstyle. In both these aspects, I think Fnatic could be the end of the road for Royal. They have far more Bo5 experience, and while Royal's greater familiarity with 3.10a's key champs got them past OMG, they don't have that advantage over Fnatic. I don't think its a coincidence that to date the two most successful teams in the tournament, T1 and Fnatic, have been heavily mid-centric teams. This version is very good for them. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 28 2013 18:31 TheYango wrote: The thing that's become very clear over Worlds is that 3.10a is a very mid-centric version of the game, and this definitely favors Fnatic. I've said this for a long time--at this caliber of play, the difference in overall skill for a team is not what dictates who wins and loses. Here is were a lot of factors other than just plain skill at the game come into play. The two important ones are the mental game in a Bo5, and how well the version suits a given team's playstyle. In both these aspects, I think Fnatic could be the end of the road for Royal. They have far more Bo5 experience, and while Royal's greater familiarity with 3.10a's key champs got them past OMG, they don't have that advantage over Fnatic. I don't think its a coincidence that to date the two most successful teams in the tournament, T1 and Fnatic, have been heavily mid-centric teams. This version is very good for them. Out of curiosity yango, if the patch or meta shifted away from mid do you think that T1 and fnatic will still be just as strong. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Vlanitak
Norway3045 Posts
Also: Atrioc and SKT girl (sorry I forgot your name allready QQ) nice seeing some friendly faces from TL  | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On September 28 2013 18:42 Fusilero wrote: Out of curiosity yango, if the patch or meta shifted away from mid do you think that T1 and fnatic will still be just as strong. Not yango, but I don't think mid will ever fall off for tempo control, and early-midgame dominance. Only two popular styles of mid right now, assassin, and safe utility/farmers. It would take a massive meta shift towards significantly later objectives, more farm centric play, and a huge buff to early defense to really bring in other styles of mids. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
gragas' damage is really bursty, so the team that has shen can find itself a man down and running when the shen ult comes. it really makes the reflex advantage of skt moot and punish aggressive diving initiations like faker is wont to do on ahri. | ||
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Heouf
Netherlands787 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 28 2013 19:12 Amui wrote: Not yango, but I don't think mid will ever fall off for tempo control, and early-midgame dominance. Only two popular styles of mid right now, assassin, and safe utility/farmers. It would take a massive meta shift towards significantly later objectives, more farm centric play, and a huge buff to early defense to really bring in other styles of mids. You seem to be contradicting yourself here. In the past mid wasn't about tempo control or early-midgame dominance but instead about patient farming and teamfighting in the midgame. You even gave reasons for it to go back to this so saying it won't ever change but then saying what changes would need to happen is a bit conflicting. It's entirely possible in S4 it goes back to like S2 was or it is more a mix of both styles or something completely new. SKT would still be strong even if it shifted away from this though. Their Top/Jungle/Bot are all world class and so is their map movement. Fnatic are much of the same and have shown that they stand the test of time when it comes to adaption. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
That being said, I think if Royal proves they can adjust to fight against fnatic and do a clean 3-1 or so, they can very well end up taking the entire tourney. | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
On September 28 2013 21:16 RouaF wrote: Wow lol I come to this thread and see so many upset people :D This semi was great, I'm a bit surprised how important the draft phase was and how ahri didn't work at all but seeing faker win his lane every game is really impressive. All the ori vs ahri matchups went in his favour but Njs still picked ahri game 5 because they had nothing else... Gragas didn't make a very big impact but SKT realized that nagne couldn't play much else. The only disappointment for me was piglet, who did a lot of mechanical/positional errors in team fights and skirmishes, I have no idea why. Faker didn't really win his lane on the Gragas games, he won every time he played Ori but when Nagne played Gragas he never died to faker and was always equal or ahead in CS. | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
On September 28 2013 22:27 Vonthin wrote: Faker didn't really win his lane on the Gragas games, he won every time he played Ori but when Nagne played Gragas he never died to faker and was always equal or ahead in CS. Wut ? Even when his team was losing he was ahead in cs against gragas and even pushed a tower alone in one game if I recall correctly. But then after Najin had a great strat to shutdown ahri so he couldn't do anything, but still, he won his lane. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
90% predicted royal :D http://www.gamespot.com/league-of-legends/videos/lol-pro-picks-for-the-worlds-semifinals-royal-club-vs-fnatic-6415097/ | ||
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pfff
Belgium1352 Posts
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Vonthin
United States2864 Posts
On September 28 2013 22:34 RouaF wrote: Wut ? Even when his team was losing he was ahead in cs against gragas and even pushed a tower alone in one game if I recall correctly. But then after Najin had a great strat to shutdown ahri so he couldn't do anything, but still, he won his lane. Games 1 and 3, the games he didn't play Orianna, Nagne was even in CS the whole game in laning phase and they never killed each other, I don't know how thats considered winning. The Ori games he carried really fucking hard though. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
also, for people complaining about fail plays by sword getting them stomped in the games they didn't win. i believe it's just how skill difference looks under a magnifying glass. you have to consider the insane pressure of playing against good opponents, and of course every mistake was punished harshly. if you only consider plays in which the winning side breaks all expectations and the losing side merely got surprised by genius play, then that's just spoiled. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
Judging Faker as overrated because he doesn't go 5/0 in lane every game is retarded. Edit: Couldn't have been game 5 because it was an Ahri game, think it was actually game 3, even though they ended up losing it was evident he is an amazing player. | ||
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