EPT[Patch 5.16] I'm the Juggernaut Patch Discussion - Page 2
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Slayer91
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 20 2015 07:07 Caiada wrote:But he'll[Darius] be a beast in soloq. Unlikely they compensated his base damage and ratios so badly to not make bloodrage op, something that you can't take advantage of in a 1v1, lane strength I would say is generally more important in solo Q and his was basically removed. they gave Morde a shitload of damage but he already did a shitload of damage it was just ap, crucially they didn't give him any new tools to actually get his full combo down, which was the problem with old Morde. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
The fact that his spire-passive is applied while people are cc'd by E or R doesn't seem huge, though. There's the backswing of your auto and stuff so E gives less than 1s of additional MS (then you add mercs in the mix), and you can't auto during the ult. The MS boost to bring people back into your team faster is nice though. Sterak's buff is 8 seconds, so I assume the shield decays over the same duration. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
Morde now being capable of having what amounts to a dedicated babysitter is pretty nice in theory. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 20 2015 07:20 Caiada wrote: Darius is basically a cleanup god now though. That sort of shit always does well in average soloq. Morde now being capable of having what amounts to a dedicated babysitter is pretty nice in theory. yea but is it better enough to justify him being not strong in lane anymore, seems unlikely because he's already decent at cleanup if he wins lane which is the majority of the time. Not to mention his already poor initiation was nerfed as they reduced the active frames on E specifically it can now be flashed on reaction which was previously impossible. I mean I'll totally give him a spin tomorrow because bloodrage sounds hilarious but I'm really not looking foreword to playing him into auto attack tops who can just sit on you now that the hilt of Q does ~35 damage at rank 1 | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
I mean squishies are gonna take like 50% more damage anyway and then tanks with like 1500 missing HP are automatically in kill range because fuck mr and 10% max hp true damage bonus on a spin | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
On August 20 2015 07:25 Slusher wrote: yea but is it better enough to justify him being not strong in lane anymore, seems unlikely because he's already decent at cleanup if he wins lane which is the majority of the time. Not to mention his already poor initiation was nerfed as they reduced the active frames on E specifically it can now be flashed on reaction which was previously impossible. I mean I'll totally give him a spin tomorrow because bloodrage sounds hilarious but I'm really not looking foreword to playing him into auto attack tops who can just sit on you now that the hilt of Q does ~35 damage at rank 1 Hilt Q is gonna be so sad. I didn't really have much trouble hitting it, but I forgot they added a cast time. That works out with the full combo now slowing massively and the increased AA range, but it's gonna be sad times vs a Riven/Fiora and similar matchups. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
0.75s delay on Q is longer than Rupture (0.625s), Nevermove, and other such spells. I'm pretty sure once your opponent is made aware of it, he can dodge Q or tank the hilt pretty easily. And you won't be able to easily hit good Qs after an Apprehend either, even less AoE ones. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Live version is pretty much instant but you still retain momentum during the cast so it's more or less like a cast-while-moving spell. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
On August 20 2015 08:03 Alaric wrote: Wait, you can move during the "delay", it's not a still cast time? Live version is pretty much instant but you still retain momentum during the cast so it's more or less like a cast-while-moving spell. Yep. It's basically the same as before but with a .75 second delay. Example: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
On August 20 2015 07:15 Slayer91 wrote: Could be steraks shield decays in 2 seconds so you can just wait it out so triforce/tank fizz has his own version of zhonya's now? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On August 20 2015 09:12 Ketara wrote: I'd love an explanation of why the Viktor change gutted him. TL;DR: Put a champion who had "early reliable waveclear" as one of his main strengths (including laning strength) 600~800 gold behind from the very first recall has more ramifications than just "nerfing his early game a bit". (And I'll rant again and again about changing an early-midgame champion and trying to shove him forcefully into the "late game" slot that's already fucking overcrowded.) | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
On August 20 2015 09:12 Ketara wrote: I'd love an explanation of why the Viktor change gutted him. They already thought he was average at best, so of course they think so, lol. | ||
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