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On August 30 2015 09:40 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 01:40 Slayer91 wrote:On August 30 2015 01:09 Caiada wrote:
And in a ton of cases, those 650g worth of stats you're trading or getting closer to your next item are a lot more important. I actually think it's kind of overbought on guys who aren't Vayne/Fiora and other champions who operate on razor-thin margins. You go from never being able to kill TF from being able to dick all over him whenever you see him What other item allows you to do this for 650 gold It allows you to frontline without worried about fizz ult and getting one shot. It allowed to to frontline without darius getting a reset on you and snowballing from the 5 stack thing. It allows you to completely negate shit like malz ult and skarner ult which his whole champ is based around. I mean that can save it for a backliner but then thats pressure on them to make a catch, before if you build damage and they don't they can just focus you and you'll die faster than their tank so they win the teamfight so you have to play defensive. I'm not saying it's always a good buy but so many champs rely completely on a single cc spell to deal with you, if that's taken away you're suddenly 2x the threat because they need another champ with skills ready to deal with you and this is without committing to even using QSS yet. the people that want to do things like this already take cleanse tho, which is a much better substitute then buying an item that can only be upgraded into 1 very shit item unless you are fiora or an adc. if they didnt buff teleport to the pont of absurdity then I could see this strat being used more often, people did used to take stuff like cleanse/flash and ghost/cleanse on bruisers before
I specifically said on bruisers
xin udyr etcetc
flash/tp/smite are all worth more than the cost of qss too. It's not like a midlaner who wants to go full damage and doesn't want to get rekt by skarner 6 or rammus or something, so he wants cleanse the whole game, you can build it situationally on any strong diving bruiser and I argue its underbought.
Yeah you're stuck if you're getting full items but how many games do you reach full items? Can always sell it at that point you're already full items you dont care about the gold waste lol.
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QSS has a much shorter CD than cleanse though, the lower CD/higher availability makes it really worth. You derp, end up trading your cleanse for their ults-- they'll have ults up in about a minute, but you'll have no cleans for another 3 minutes.
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I heard there was a hotfix patch that broke Darius Q to make it do the animation twice and heal twice.
What other patch notes are in the hotfix? Skarner nerfs?
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On August 30 2015 14:03 obesechicken13 wrote:
I heard there was a hotfix patch that broke Darius Q to make it do the animation twice and heal twice.
What other patch notes are in the hotfix? Skarner nerfs?
Probably something like that happened, because as a top laner I faced quite a few dariuses & garens the last several days and darius was a piece of cake to beat in the beginning and then suddenly I started to lose trades/lanes, so I thought people learned how to deal with him, but most likely he was boosted
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On August 31 2015 18:12 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2015 14:03 obesechicken13 wrote:
I heard there was a hotfix patch that broke Darius Q to make it do the animation twice and heal twice.
What other patch notes are in the hotfix? Skarner nerfs? Probably something like that happened, because as a top laner I faced quite a few dariuses & garens the last several days and darius was a piece of cake to beat in the beginning and then suddenly I started to lose trades/lanes, so I thought people learned how to deal with him, but most likely he was boosted
Sure it isn't "just" the 10->15% heal? It's effectively a 50% buff after all.
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His Q base is also back to old levels with the hotfix, which was the biggest thing keeping him from being able to trade well.
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The survivability and ability to turn ganks around when you hit a double blade-Q though, people get baited then you have a massive heal which buys you some pots ticks, then you fall back a bit and wait for the cooldown while your jungle fights, hit another one to stay around 30-40% health and now you can cast E and take the fight.
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Couple questions:
#1 - How does activating Zekes work? Is it only damage from the support (person with the item) that turns it on? Does damaging minions turn it on?
#2 - Is Ardent Censer any good since it got buffed? Are people using it at all now?
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Ardent is pretty much only seen with Kog and only after Zeke's. I think it's still good, but between Zeke's and other support buys (and not many popular supports use it well), it's not seen often.
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Basically I'm wondering if it's any good on support Lux since it's been buffed.
She can make really good use of it with all the shields, but before the buff it wasn't strong enough to take anyway. Is it strong enough to make it a reasonable pick now?
And splain how Zekes works plx.
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Zekes gives you AP,armour and CDR then makes your ADC a god. It's the most broken "support" item in the game atm.
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This is from the wiki but it falls in line with my experience using the item so I thought I might as well just quote it.
Unique: When within 1000-units of each other, you and your Conduit will generate 1 charge every second, up to 100, with a bonus 4/2 charges whenever you or your ally attack, and 8/4 on spell cast.
At 100 charge, dealing damage grants you and your Conduit 20% increased Ability Power and +50% Critical Strike Chance for 8 seconds.
All current charge is lost if you move further than 1000-units apart or hold onto 100 charge for longer than X seconds.
I have no idea what value "X" is though.
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Ardent is probably a good second choice on Lux. AoE buffing is pretty good. Seems obvious, tbh.
I have no idea how Zeke's actually works >.> Tooltip implies it procs on any damage, but the wording for whether it's support or ADC is super vague.
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I'm pretty sure it's both.
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Have you guys never actually built it in a game...?
If you don't know the answer to my question you probably shouldn't reply to it lol
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Look, if you take it that way people can just answer you "you can't play atm so why would we bother, you'll test it yourself once you're back". So no need to be an ass.
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That doesn't make any sense Alaric.
If I could test it myself I wouldn't need to ask the question in the first place.
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Alright, I actually tested it. I figured I'd just answer the Ardent question since I actually knew that one, but was pretty curious about Zeke's.
Zeke's procs on both minion damage and champ damage from either the builder or the conduit target.
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