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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-27 19:40:24
August 27 2015 19:20 GMT
#421
was there an ninja buff to Darius in his hotfix buff? I think the handle is healing now becasue I lost a level 2 allin due to the heal taking me by surprise, but it's possible I fucked up

anyone else notice this?

tested, I fucked up, no heal, although the bleed damage like goes up like 66% from the bloodrage ad trying to test if it auto updates, but it's hard with the way dot damage shows up on the screen now, any ideas?

I think it is?
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 27 2015 19:23 GMT
#422
On August 27 2015 06:52 Gahlo wrote:
Man, boy did Olaf ever suck late Season 2. So glad Riot buffed him so he was a good pick.


Please explain this statement which doesn't make any sense.
http://lol.gamepedia.com/IGN_ProLeague_Season_5/Picks_and_Bans#Picks_.26_Bans_Statistics
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
August 27 2015 19:24 GMT
#423
On August 28 2015 04:23 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2015 06:52 Gahlo wrote:
Man, boy did Olaf ever suck late Season 2. So glad Riot buffed him so he was a good pick.


Please explain this statement which doesn't make any sense.
http://lol.gamepedia.com/IGN_ProLeague_Season_5/Picks_and_Bans#Picks_.26_Bans_Statistics


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-27 19:38:00
August 27 2015 19:37 GMT
#424
On August 28 2015 04:20 Slusher wrote:
was there an ninja buff to Darius in his hotfix buff? I think the handle is healing now becasue I lost a level 2 allin due to the heal taking me by surprise, but it's possible I fucked up

anyone else notice this?


Unless they fucked up, which is very likely, it should only be the blade healing. Bit of custom game testing just now only had the blade healing, at least. Could be wonky hitbox.

The Q buff made him pretty legit now. Positive winrate everywhere.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 27 2015 19:38 GMT
#425
ye I'm in a custom as well I def fucked up
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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
August 28 2015 18:36 GMT
#426
What's people thoughts on Warmog's on assassins that can get enough HP for it late game? I know it sounds super odd, but I've been having some moderate succes on Kassadin with it, it was completely trash on a RoA Leblanc build I tried for giggles. I suppose it could work on assassins with good consistant damage (Kassadin's new AP ratio on ult is bonkers when you can do it in face multiple times), the basic idea was to kill a high priority target and then bail out to heal up rather than relying on Hourglass to be off CD/or getting it off before being locked down.

It'll probably be much smarter on assassins that use GA/BV as a defensive tool instead of Hourglass or against a heavy poke team.

Probably a stupid question, but I rarely play assassins even tho I enjoy them so I'd love to hear what you guys who actually know how to play them think.
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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
August 28 2015 20:20 GMT
#427
Doesn't seem good for consistent damage assassins (like Kassadin) because you won't ever be out of the fight long enough to make use of it. Similarly it seems weak for clean up because your risky actions are in the start of the fight not the end of the fight and Warmogs is a lot weaker in the start of a fight.

Against heavy poke it can work. Because the regen really is insane. But its probably a lot better on a heavy poke champion that can get the HP rather than an assassin.

Because then a heavy poke champion can walk forward. Use their poke and not worry about getting hit as much. Then just retreat back a bit behind the line and good as new if they do.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 28 2015 21:24 GMT
#428
Against mixed phys/magic damage I can see the benefit but Banshee seems like a far superior option if the enemy is magic heavy.
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Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-28 21:40:57
August 28 2015 21:40 GMT
#429
If it's absolutely any case where you're massively concerned about poke, Warmog's is pretty much the best item in the game if you meet the health threshold. I don't think that's a big niche right now though and outside of it, it's hit or miss.
XDG Mata
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
August 28 2015 23:56 GMT
#430
So, any dedicated Rek'Sai players here?

I decided to start playing void queen again and since I'm obssessed with sated of course I got it on her + all the new items. I've had one game where my early game was fine regardless, but in later two I was pretty much irrelevant until getting sated + titanic + dead man's, but her late game is pretty insane. I generally farm a lot and I used to play warrior's into full tank, I might try doing that as well. Generally speaking I just want to experiment with Rek'Sai but I also don't want to get demoted to plat again in proccess so I'm wondering if anyone got experience or ideas I can use.

I plan on creating a Rek'Sai thread at some point if that helps.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
August 29 2015 09:36 GMT
#431
I feel like QSS is really underbought on bruisers. Darius thinks he can 1v2? QSS at 4 stacks and watch him dunk for 200 dmg. Fizz trying to godmode? Eat that fish. TF Stun+Q+Kite ad infinitum? Naw lube up son it's gonna be a LONG 6 seconds bro.

Everyone has a plan until you cleanse their only cc and punch them in the face with your bear hands.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 29 2015 15:44 GMT
#432
On August 29 2015 18:36 Slayer91 wrote:
I feel like QSS is really underbought on bruisers. Darius thinks he can 1v2? QSS at 4 stacks and watch him dunk for 200 dmg. Fizz trying to godmode? Eat that fish. TF Stun+Q+Kite ad infinitum? Naw lube up son it's gonna be a LONG 6 seconds bro.

Everyone has a plan until you cleanse their only cc and punch them in the face with your bear hands.

I guess it's a tempo thing. It doesn't add anything other than a little MR and the active, so it has to be really worth the active to be worthwhile. And most solo queue players just mindlessly follow the same build every time.
It's your boy Guzma!
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
August 29 2015 16:01 GMT
#433
On August 30 2015 00:44 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 18:36 Slayer91 wrote:
I feel like QSS is really underbought on bruisers. Darius thinks he can 1v2? QSS at 4 stacks and watch him dunk for 200 dmg. Fizz trying to godmode? Eat that fish. TF Stun+Q+Kite ad infinitum? Naw lube up son it's gonna be a LONG 6 seconds bro.

Everyone has a plan until you cleanse their only cc and punch them in the face with your bear hands.

I guess it's a tempo thing. It doesn't add anything other than a little MR and the active, so it has to be really worth the active to be worthwhile. And most solo queue players just mindlessly follow the same build every time.

Not to mention that since the DoT got changed to physical it doesn't even help reduce the damage you take until you pop it anyway.
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-29 16:09:44
August 29 2015 16:09 GMT
#434
And in a ton of cases, those 650g worth of stats you're trading or getting closer to your next item are a lot more important. I actually think it's kind of overbought on guys who aren't Vayne/Fiora and other champions who operate on razor-thin margins.
XDG Mata
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-29 16:42:44
August 29 2015 16:40 GMT
#435
On August 30 2015 01:09 Caiada wrote:
And in a ton of cases, those 650g worth of stats you're trading or getting closer to your next item are a lot more important. I actually think it's kind of overbought on guys who aren't Vayne/Fiora and other champions who operate on razor-thin margins.


You go from never being able to kill TF from being able to dick all over him whenever you see him
What other item allows you to do this for 650 gold
It allows you to frontline without worried about fizz ult and getting one shot.
It allowed to to frontline without darius getting a reset on you and snowballing from the 5 stack thing.
It allows you to completely negate shit like malz ult and skarner ult which his whole champ is based around.
I mean that can save it for a backliner but then thats pressure on them to make a catch, before if you build damage and they don't they can just focus you and you'll die faster than their tank so they win the teamfight so you have to play defensive.


I'm not saying it's always a good buy but so many champs rely completely on a single cc spell to deal with you, if that's taken away you're suddenly 2x the threat because they need another champ with skills ready to deal with you and this is without committing to even using QSS yet.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
August 29 2015 16:41 GMT
#436
On August 29 2015 08:56 AlterKot wrote:
So, any dedicated Rek'Sai players here?

I decided to start playing void queen again and since I'm obssessed with sated of course I got it on her + all the new items. I've had one game where my early game was fine regardless, but in later two I was pretty much irrelevant until getting sated + titanic + dead man's, but her late game is pretty insane. I generally farm a lot and I used to play warrior's into full tank, I might try doing that as well. Generally speaking I just want to experiment with Rek'Sai but I also don't want to get demoted to plat again in proccess so I'm wondering if anyone got experience or ideas I can use.

I plan on creating a Rek'Sai thread at some point if that helps.

not much of a reksai player but maybe you ganked too much early and didn't get stated before or at 20 minutes?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
August 29 2015 16:43 GMT
#437
Do some math to figure out whats the best or take the hit to your lp it doesnt matter anyway,
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
August 29 2015 17:03 GMT
#438
On August 30 2015 01:41 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 08:56 AlterKot wrote:
So, any dedicated Rek'Sai players here?

I decided to start playing void queen again and since I'm obssessed with sated of course I got it on her + all the new items. I've had one game where my early game was fine regardless, but in later two I was pretty much irrelevant until getting sated + titanic + dead man's, but her late game is pretty insane. I generally farm a lot and I used to play warrior's into full tank, I might try doing that as well. Generally speaking I just want to experiment with Rek'Sai but I also don't want to get demoted to plat again in proccess so I'm wondering if anyone got experience or ideas I can use.

I plan on creating a Rek'Sai thread at some point if that helps.

not much of a reksai player but maybe you ganked too much early and didn't get stated before or at 20 minutes?

Imo, if you haven't had an impact on the game as Rek'Sai by 20 minutes you might as well have picked a different champion. Imo it's either Warrior or Cinderhulk depending on how you're doing. If it's iffy you pick up Ruby/Longsword and use whichever doesn't go into the jungle item as part of BC's Phage.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
August 29 2015 17:27 GMT
#439
On August 30 2015 02:03 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 01:41 Frolossus wrote:
On August 29 2015 08:56 AlterKot wrote:
So, any dedicated Rek'Sai players here?

I decided to start playing void queen again and since I'm obssessed with sated of course I got it on her + all the new items. I've had one game where my early game was fine regardless, but in later two I was pretty much irrelevant until getting sated + titanic + dead man's, but her late game is pretty insane. I generally farm a lot and I used to play warrior's into full tank, I might try doing that as well. Generally speaking I just want to experiment with Rek'Sai but I also don't want to get demoted to plat again in proccess so I'm wondering if anyone got experience or ideas I can use.

I plan on creating a Rek'Sai thread at some point if that helps.

not much of a reksai player but maybe you ganked too much early and didn't get stated before or at 20 minutes?

Imo, if you haven't had an impact on the game as Rek'Sai by 20 minutes you might as well have picked a different champion. Imo it's either Warrior or Cinderhulk depending on how you're doing. If it's iffy you pick up Ruby/Longsword and use whichever doesn't go into the jungle item as part of BC's Phage.

you can have an impact while still being sated at 20 minutes. it just means you don't want to sit in a bush waiting for a gank to happen. your ganks should be reactive not proactive. know where the enemy jungler is and be doing the camps around where he's gonna gank then be there to stop it and pick up kills. or gank after the enemy already used summs. but your time should be farming and moving around the map looking for these opportunities.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 30 2015 00:40 GMT
#440
On August 30 2015 01:40 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 01:09 Caiada wrote:
And in a ton of cases, those 650g worth of stats you're trading or getting closer to your next item are a lot more important. I actually think it's kind of overbought on guys who aren't Vayne/Fiora and other champions who operate on razor-thin margins.


You go from never being able to kill TF from being able to dick all over him whenever you see him
What other item allows you to do this for 650 gold
It allows you to frontline without worried about fizz ult and getting one shot.
It allowed to to frontline without darius getting a reset on you and snowballing from the 5 stack thing.
It allows you to completely negate shit like malz ult and skarner ult which his whole champ is based around.
I mean that can save it for a backliner but then thats pressure on them to make a catch, before if you build damage and they don't they can just focus you and you'll die faster than their tank so they win the teamfight so you have to play defensive.


I'm not saying it's always a good buy but so many champs rely completely on a single cc spell to deal with you, if that's taken away you're suddenly 2x the threat because they need another champ with skills ready to deal with you and this is without committing to even using QSS yet.


the people that want to do things like this already take cleanse tho, which is a much better substitute then buying an item that can only be upgraded into 1 very shit item unless you are fiora or an adc.

if they didnt buff teleport to the pont of absurdity then I could see this strat being used more often, people did used to take stuff like cleanse/flash and ghost/cleanse on bruisers before
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