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purple smite is overpowered.
purple>blue>red>white
On August 27 2015 10:47 Ketara wrote:
Vi and Jarvan are two champions whom I wouldn't judge a Trailblazer pick so harshly, although come now Alaric, an E on every camp? You don't smite every camp.
But Vi and Jarvan are also sort of on the verge of not being competitive right now I feel. They're certainly not competitive competitive. They're probably solo queue competitive, but you have to wonder why you're not playing Reksai.
To be fair though Reksai is hard as fuck to play, I hate playing him. I like playing Vi.
Also to be fair Stalkers on Jarvan was one of the big reasons Stalkers got nerfed in the first place, if you recall. It's really good on Jarvan.
I'd bet Skirmishers is pretty good on Vi.
vi is still an A tier jungler in soloq
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On August 27 2015 10:12 Ketara wrote:
Yeah sorry Sonnington but you're pretty wrong here.
Would be interested in seeing how you think trailblazer improves shyvanas clear.
Which part am I wrong about? Or are you just troll posting?
I've only played Shyvanna once this season and it looks like I built Stalker's blade. I would assume Trailblazer works on her to reduce damage from monsters, helps her clear faster before she has points in her W, and sustain her HP.
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Shyvana W 100-0's small mobs at Rank 2 W. I guess if you're terribly concerned about your pre-3 clear, it's great.
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Shyvana's jungle clear is at a rate where she doesn't nearly benefit with Ranger's as compared to other junglers. Not to mention she's manaless.
My main issue with her is that you farm up a storm and you'll have good items but it's sticking to targets that Flash/dash away. Which is why Stalker's is best on her imoimo.
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On August 27 2015 10:56 Frolossus wrote:purple smite is overpowered. purple>blue>red>white Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 10:47 Ketara wrote:
Vi and Jarvan are two champions whom I wouldn't judge a Trailblazer pick so harshly, although come now Alaric, an E on every camp? You don't smite every camp.
But Vi and Jarvan are also sort of on the verge of not being competitive right now I feel. They're certainly not competitive competitive. They're probably solo queue competitive, but you have to wonder why you're not playing Reksai.
To be fair though Reksai is hard as fuck to play, I hate playing him. I like playing Vi.
Also to be fair Stalkers on Jarvan was one of the big reasons Stalkers got nerfed in the first place, if you recall. It's really good on Jarvan.
I'd bet Skirmishers is pretty good on Vi. vi is still an A tier jungler in soloq
Maybe if there's an S and A+ tier. I'd rather play a champion that can take a harder beating if I'm going in hard or just straight up kill a target regardless.
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On August 27 2015 11:29 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 10:56 Frolossus wrote:purple smite is overpowered. purple>blue>red>white On August 27 2015 10:47 Ketara wrote:
Vi and Jarvan are two champions whom I wouldn't judge a Trailblazer pick so harshly, although come now Alaric, an E on every camp? You don't smite every camp.
But Vi and Jarvan are also sort of on the verge of not being competitive right now I feel. They're certainly not competitive competitive. They're probably solo queue competitive, but you have to wonder why you're not playing Reksai.
To be fair though Reksai is hard as fuck to play, I hate playing him. I like playing Vi.
Also to be fair Stalkers on Jarvan was one of the big reasons Stalkers got nerfed in the first place, if you recall. It's really good on Jarvan.
I'd bet Skirmishers is pretty good on Vi. vi is still an A tier jungler in soloq Maybe if there's an S and A+ tier. I'd rather play a champion that can take a harder beating if I'm going in hard or just straight up kill a target regardless.
that's the point, you don't pick vi to tank you pick her to hard carry with ~4.5 damage items
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On August 27 2015 11:30 Frolossus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 11:29 Gahlo wrote:On August 27 2015 10:56 Frolossus wrote:purple smite is overpowered. purple>blue>red>white On August 27 2015 10:47 Ketara wrote:
Vi and Jarvan are two champions whom I wouldn't judge a Trailblazer pick so harshly, although come now Alaric, an E on every camp? You don't smite every camp.
But Vi and Jarvan are also sort of on the verge of not being competitive right now I feel. They're certainly not competitive competitive. They're probably solo queue competitive, but you have to wonder why you're not playing Reksai.
To be fair though Reksai is hard as fuck to play, I hate playing him. I like playing Vi.
Also to be fair Stalkers on Jarvan was one of the big reasons Stalkers got nerfed in the first place, if you recall. It's really good on Jarvan.
I'd bet Skirmishers is pretty good on Vi. vi is still an A tier jungler in soloq Maybe if there's an S and A+ tier. I'd rather play a champion that can take a harder beating if I'm going in hard or just straight up kill a target regardless. that's the point, you don't pick vi to tank you pick her to hard carry with ~4.5 damage items
Which brings up again, why am I picking Vi? you can do that with much less on a lot of other champions.
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On August 27 2015 11:31 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 11:30 Frolossus wrote:On August 27 2015 11:29 Gahlo wrote:On August 27 2015 10:56 Frolossus wrote:purple smite is overpowered. purple>blue>red>white On August 27 2015 10:47 Ketara wrote:
Vi and Jarvan are two champions whom I wouldn't judge a Trailblazer pick so harshly, although come now Alaric, an E on every camp? You don't smite every camp.
But Vi and Jarvan are also sort of on the verge of not being competitive right now I feel. They're certainly not competitive competitive. They're probably solo queue competitive, but you have to wonder why you're not playing Reksai.
To be fair though Reksai is hard as fuck to play, I hate playing him. I like playing Vi.
Also to be fair Stalkers on Jarvan was one of the big reasons Stalkers got nerfed in the first place, if you recall. It's really good on Jarvan.
I'd bet Skirmishers is pretty good on Vi. vi is still an A tier jungler in soloq Maybe if there's an S and A+ tier. I'd rather play a champion that can take a harder beating if I'm going in hard or just straight up kill a target regardless. that's the point, you don't pick vi to tank you pick her to hard carry with ~4.5 damage items Which brings up again, why am I picking Vi? you can do that with much less on a lot of other champions.
cause vi does more damage than other things and has amazing ganks?
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Assassin Vi is probably more legit than ever with Sterak's making Tforce better and dives not always instantly suicidal. Point-and-click single target threat elimination, even if you don't kill them, has its utility.
It's just that, well... Rek'sai does like, at least three other things better.
With Shyv, I'm thinking of just building for teamfights, lately. Skip BotRK for Titanic, get Mallet immediately after. 1100 health and a lot of cleave, some extra AD. You duel worse though, and Titanic/Sated is much less insta-kill than BotRK/Sated. I suppose it's a question of role and how much damage you need compared to the tankiness.
Titanic/Sated has style points though, for sure.
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Vi is in a good place competitively. She is a niche jungler that is probably the best in her niche but not so good that it crowds out champions from generalist roles (Rek Sai).
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On August 27 2015 11:21 Caiada wrote:
Shyvana W 100-0's small mobs at Rank 2 W. I guess if you're terribly concerned about your pre-3 clear, it's great.
You mean the pre 3 clear where you don't have trailblazer yet?
Like I said I wouldn't judge a trailblazer Vi or Jarvan too harshly, although I would question it. Scip might laugh at you though.
Trailblazer on Shyvana is somewhat lulzworthy though.
In general I've gained a lot of elo jungling just doing exactly what Scip says. He's a pretty smart guy. He just only knows how to PvE  .
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Guys lets make jungle tier lists to settle this discussion once and for all 
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On August 27 2015 13:15 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 11:21 Caiada wrote:
Shyvana W 100-0's small mobs at Rank 2 W. I guess if you're terribly concerned about your pre-3 clear, it's great. You mean the pre 3 clear where you don't have trailblazer yet? Like I said I wouldn't judge a trailblazer Vi or Jarvan too harshly, although I would question it. Scip might laugh at you though. Trailblazer on Shyvana is somewhat lulzworthy though. In general I've gained a lot of elo jungling just doing exactly what Scip says. He's a pretty smart guy. He just only knows how to PvE .
That was the joke :V
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Yes I know. Stay positive <3
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On August 27 2015 10:47 Ketara wrote:
Vi and Jarvan are two champions whom I wouldn't judge a Trailblazer pick so harshly, although come now Alaric, an E on every camp? You don't smite every camp.
But Vi and Jarvan are also sort of on the verge of not being competitive right now I feel. They're certainly not competitive competitive. They're probably solo queue competitive, but you have to wonder why you're not playing Reksai.
To be fair though Reksai is hard as fuck to play, I hate playing him. I like playing Vi.
Also to be fair Stalkers on Jarvan was one of the big reasons Stalkers got nerfed in the first place, if you recall. It's really good on Jarvan.
I'd bet Skirmishers is pretty good on Vi.
I meant to say "per camp you smite", yeah.
Skirmisher's good on her if you move and pressure in such a way that you make skirmishes happen over 5v5 fights, or if you goal in those is to duel the other guy.
If you're just going to initiate and lock a squishy down for your team to delete, it's not as important though.
Oh, and since you prefer female champions, I feel compelled to inform you that Rek'Sai is a "she". 
Vi's level 1 ult cd is brutal though.
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Perspective of someone coming back who's still bad at the game:
Played a bunch of different junglers last night. Hec didn't really work, Rammus did alright but couldn't solo carry bads, Diana was great except I think I need to go defensive runes/masteries because I kept blowing up as soon as team fights started, even with Zhonya's.
You know who carried like a champ? Volibear. Like, dang. I know who my new main is.
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But what will the Otter think of him?
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3 questions
1) How does tower kill gold distribution work? Do you need to be near the tower? Does it differ between outer/inner/base towers?
2) Does GP ult cross map give experience to things he kills if he's not in experience range?
3) Does Fiora need vision to do damage from Q? i.e. she Q's right next to a bush someone is standing in but she doesn't have vision in it, does it do damage?
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On August 27 2015 23:05 Alaric wrote:
But what will the Otter think of him?
Volibear:
"What are you doing?"
"I'm a bear."
"Why did you throw that guy?"
"Sometimes you just gotta be a bear and throw people."
"Go slap that guy in the face!"
"You got it sweetie"
Vlad:
"These blood puns are terrible, I hate this guy"
Rammus:
"Do you think this guy's voice actor was just like some janitor they dragged in to say 4 words?"
"Maybe?"
"LOOK AT HIS LITTLE WADDLING WALK I LOVE IT"
Hecarim:
"You said he was a pony this is not a pony"
She went to bed before Diana games
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She didn't like Hecarim because you don't have Arcade Hecarim.
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