EPTI like Shyv a lot obviously, but she's basically just a big ball of 'run at you and kill you or die trying.' I could see why they would want to change that. Dragon form has a lot of potential to do weird cool shit with. More Darius than Skarner or Garen, I hope.
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
I like Shyv a lot obviously, but she's basically just a big ball of 'run at you and kill you or die trying.' I could see why they would want to change that. Dragon form has a lot of potential to do weird cool shit with. More Darius than Skarner or Garen, I hope. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
You gain like 30 damage (total) if you rank E You gain 25 damage if you rank Q neither reduce cd anymore and you don't get anymore silence duration on q and the movement increase is nerfed BC felt weak you are too squishy even with cinderhulk bc and his ad scaling isnt really good probably steraks is better and deadmans is good ults on villain are good and lategame your E does good damage (not tHAT much more than old E and it takes longer to be as good) but probably he's nerfed because of W and Q nerfs. | ||
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Frolossus
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Mensol
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Syndra looks so strong, and Zed is back. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 21 2015 04:53 Caiada wrote: I think there's room in the game for both simple and more complicated kits. Calling something gimmicky is trivial; what's the actual problem? That's not rhetorical. I dunno what the actual problem with it is. I like Shyv a lot obviously, but she's basically just a big ball of 'run at you and kill you or die trying.' I could see why they would want to change that. Dragon form has a lot of potential to do weird cool shit with. More Darius than Skarner or Garen, I hope. The actual problem, IMO, is that it causes power levels to be unreliable. That is fine for pro play, like with Gnar, but IMO Gnar is a bad champion for the game just fundamentally because the rage transformation is just stupid for everything below LCS. I prefer when things are balanced for pro play, but when Gnar is a top 2-3 champion in his role for the last 8 months, and is not a high-skill champion, and has meh soloqueue winrates, I see that as a design flaw, and I also suspect Riot is hesitant to nerf him (which they should) because he would get even worse in soloqueue. RekSai is very similar in that way. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
I only see unreliable power levels as a problem if they're too easy to play around. Gnar's a great example; his bar is still too easy to manipulate in your favor especially at a pro level. And there's a large disparity. Fiora's a nicer design. She either outplays her opponent and looks really good, or she fails to and looks bad. Darius. You either get a nice ult and are a big threat in the fight, or you don't and threaten to get 5 stacks, or you're behind and die. It feels wrapped up more in playing an individual fight well than something like Gnar where if you prep it right, you're 100% guaranteed to be Mega. Then again, I look at everything at the pro level cause I suck at the game too much to worry about design for the rest of us. | ||
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
I'm still playing around with Morde. They suggest getting a relic shield first which makes sense since his laning phase is pretty bad. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 21 2015 05:13 cLutZ wrote: The actual problem, IMO, is that it causes power levels to be unreliable. That is fine for pro play, like with Gnar, but IMO Gnar is a bad champion for the game just fundamentally because the rage transformation is just stupid for everything below LCS. I prefer when things are balanced for pro play, but when Gnar is a top 2-3 champion in his role for the last 8 months, and is not a high-skill champion, and has meh soloqueue winrates, I see that as a design flaw, and I also suspect Riot is hesitant to nerf him (which they should) because he would get even worse in soloqueue. RekSai is very similar in that way. I can't even imagine what kind of nerf it would take for Rek'sai to be bad in competitive, tremor sense is perhaps the best ability in the game when you are coordinated | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On August 21 2015 04:53 Caiada wrote: I think there's room in the game for both simple and more complicated kits. Calling something gimmicky is trivial; what's the actual problem? That's not rhetorical. I dunno what the actual problem with it is. I like Shyv a lot obviously, but she's basically just a big ball of 'run at you and kill you or die trying.' I could see why they would want to change that. Dragon form has a lot of potential to do weird cool shit with. More Darius than Skarner or Garen, I hope. Obviously they'll have you running around the map to collect dragon genes to level up your dragon form. + Show Spoiler [reference] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8Mznkrn.jpg) | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
ty for that phyvo. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 21 2015 05:15 Caiada wrote: Ok after watching QT play Morde, it's hilarious. I dunno if it's good (laning is really iffy), but it's hilarious. One Tforce/Sterak buffed Q lasthit one-shot a Rengar and his ghost cleaned up the fight. I only see unreliable power levels as a problem if they're too easy to play around. Gnar's a great example; his bar is still too easy to manipulate in your favor especially at a pro level. And there's a large disparity. Fiora's a nicer design. She either outplays her opponent and looks really good, or she fails to and looks bad. Darius. You either get a nice ult and are a big threat in the fight, or you don't and threaten to get 5 stacks, or you're behind and die. It feels wrapped up more in playing an individual fight well than something like Gnar where if you prep it right, you're 100% guaranteed to be Mega. Then again, I look at everything at the pro level cause I suck at the game too much to worry about design for the rest of us. On August 21 2015 05:17 Slusher wrote: I can't even imagine what kind of nerf it would take for Rek'sai to be bad in competitive, tremor sense is perhaps the best ability in the game when you are coordinated Same. That is the problem though, because they need to nerf Gnar and RekSai for the competitive scene to open up a little bit, but they really don't because that would make them trash tier in soloqueue (which I dont care about), and historically they seem to delay for a long time nerfs on champions in that situation (except olaf, which, actually, great job on that last ult change Riot). | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
That sounds incredibly stupid to me but OK. What's the point of calling it a base stat if it gets increased? | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
General thoughts about the new items? More specifically, I want to know what champion(s) you guys think are good with Deadman's Plate, Sterak's Gage, Titanic Hydra. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On August 21 2015 05:47 NeoIllusions wrote: Played new Garen in Top vs Riven (enemy Lee Jungle) and felt rather underwhelming. Yes, E does more damage but I used Q a lot more as a "poke" and I could really tell that Riven was far more mobile due to the silence nerf. meh General thoughts about the new items? More specifically, I want to know what champion(s) you guys think are good with Deadman's Plate, Sterak's Gage, Titanic Hydra. deadman's is like my go to jungle armor item right now over randuins. hecarim/vi/shyv. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
Sterak is good on Garen, decent on Darius, disgusting on Skarner. Have yet to try it on Jax but looks promising? Probably really good on Irelia if you won't just be splitting all game. Worthy of consideration on every Tforce user aside from like... Ezreal. Probably worth mentioning as a fringe item against burst on Tforce ADCs. The real show is on guys like Skarner though. Less cool outside of Tforce, but still good. Seems like a solid pickup on cinderhulk junglers to be an unkillable meatwall. Titanic's health scaling feels really strong. It's also an AA reset, which is pretty nice. Fantastic on Darius; unsure of anybody else. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On August 21 2015 05:47 NeoIllusions wrote: Played new Garen in Top vs Riven (enemy Lee Jungle) and felt rather underwhelming. Yes, E does more damage but I used Q a lot more as a "poke" and I could really tell that Riven was far more mobile due to the silence nerf. meh General thoughts about the new items? More specifically, I want to know what champion(s) you guys think are good with Deadman's Plate, Sterak's Gage, Titanic Hydra. Yeah garen used to rek riven past level 11 but it's probably not the case any more steraks is good on most engaging melees who aren't pure tanks, deadmans similarly. havent tried hydra yet | ||
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France45622 Posts
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United States3529 Posts
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