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On October 09 2012 11:23 Vaporized wrote:
what's everyones regular build on darius?
im going boots, hog, frozen mallet, randuins, force of nature, bloodthirster, GA. GA before bt sometimes. i find the other team likes to target darius lol. with these items i get extremely tanky. i dont really feel the need to build a damage item early, although ive never tried it. maybe i should. just tanking everything and ulting people when appropriate seems to be working real well.
darius is a blast. might try to main him for awhile, he does get banned occasionally tho. now i see why mogwai loves the dunk so much, it never gets old.
I build boots3 -> dorans x 1(or 2) -> t2 boots -> phage -> aegis -> BT/mallet -> mallet/BT -> maw -> GA
I find that phage + aegis, then a mallet later is great for mid-game defense, plus aegis helps a ton in teamfights. I'd rather get maw instead of force of nature for MR, since darius scales so well with bonus AD. If I'm the team's tank I get mallet first. If I have another tank on the team, I get BT first.
HoG is bad for lane, unless you start snowballing early and you know for sure you're going to get randuin's later. I only get randuin's if I'm against an auto-attacker top lane and even then I get warden's mail first since it helps far more in lane than HoG.
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On most lanes I start boots + 3 or 4 pots
On hard lanes or against strong level 2 jungler, I start cloth armor + 3 pots + 1 ward
Junglers know that darius is super weak against ganks and is susceptible to being camped. I'm tired of dying to level 2 ganks so I get a ward first quite often now.
After that I rush hexdrinker against AP champ or Phage against tanky/AD champs.
After that I get boots 2. After that the order gets pretty fuzzy, but I usually end up with something like Maw, Frozen, Negatron Cloak, and Randuins.
I skip dblades on Darius since I feel like getting an early phage or hexdrinker is super op, but they scale super poorly as the game goes on.
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On October 10 2012 02:56 JokerSan wrote:
On most lanes I start boots + 3 or 4 pots
On hard lanes or against strong level 2 jungler, I start cloth armor + 3 pots + 1 ward
Junglers know that darius is super weak against ganks and is susceptible to being camped. I'm tired of dying to level 2 ganks so I get a ward first quite often now.
After that I rush hexdrinker against AP champ or Phage against tanky/AD champs.
After that I get boots 2. After that the order gets pretty fuzzy, but I usually end up with something like Maw, Frozen, Negatron Cloak, and Randuins.
I skip dblades on Darius since I feel like getting an early phage or hexdrinker is super op, but they scale super poorly as the game goes on.
I'm not sure why hexdrinker or phage scale poorly. But everything else sounds right.
Also not sure if Darius is OP but he should always have a good kda at the cost of his team's kda.
I think his strength is that he can build fully tanky with just a frozen mallet for damage and still do his job. He's able to zone out squishies with the threat of a pull and as long as his ult is up and he has mana, he can generate threat on anyone who gets low enough and has enough stacks to kill. But if there's an enemy AD carry who can stay out of pull range, then that carry can just melt through Darius since Darius has no escapes. Another huge weakness of Darius' ult is that it weakens your own AD carry when you use it to get kills because there's a good chance it'd have gone to your carry otherwise. I try to use it only in big team fights or when I'm not sure if the kill is secure to give the kill to the AD carry because I still prefer a farmed ADC to a farmed tank.
I think people overestimate Darius' damage and he generates more threat than he should. His damage is great but people act like he's going to flash, Q, E, W, auto, auto, R before they can react. They focus him when his ult isn't going to hit for the full 600 damage on every target, and the enemy AD carry is hitting for 300-400 per shot at a rate of 2 shots per second. His passive only lasts 5 seconds and he needs 5 stacks to max out his ult damage. He also overkills too much.
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darius is op cuz he dunks on bad players fuck strategy :D
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What champions are good vs Darius? I have trouble dealing with him without jungleres help, and You cant always count on it in soloque.
BTW:Am i bad player?
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On December 24 2012 23:43 Silvanel wrote:
What champions are good vs Darius? I have trouble dealing with him without jungleres help, and You cant always count on it in soloque.
BTW:Am i bad player?
I have troubles vs Cho and Yorick. On the opposite spectrum I have trouble as Kayle and I suspect Teemo is the same.
Yes.
Yorick and Cho can both sustain the damage until they need to get a kill. Neither really needs to fight him. They just need to cs from a distance.
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Teemo shits on Darius. Kayle can as well but has a slightly harder time
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jayce is good vs darius. anybody try black cleaver darius its pretty terror does SOOO Much damage
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Cho actually beats Darius really hard
I thought it was the other way around at first but after playing both sides pretty extensively it's Cho's lane without heavy camping
Also Vlad is doable but you have to build pure damage with the goal of bursting him before he bursts you
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On December 25 2012 07:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Cho actually beats Darius really hard
I thought it was the other way around at first but after playing both sides pretty extensively it's Cho's lane without heavy camping
Also Vlad is doable but you have to build pure damage with the goal of bursting him before he bursts you
you have to be playing some pretty bad darius then. I have hundreds of games on him and have never even come close to losing vs a cho. even if you die from a gank you will always beat him in a straight up fight unless you are underleveled.
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On December 25 2012 09:44 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 07:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Cho actually beats Darius really hard
I thought it was the other way around at first but after playing both sides pretty extensively it's Cho's lane without heavy camping
Also Vlad is doable but you have to build pure damage with the goal of bursting him before he bursts you you have to be playing some pretty bad darius then. I have hundreds of games on him and have never even come close to losing vs a cho. even if you die from a gank you will always beat him in a straight up fight unless you are underleveled.
funny post although you probably dont realise it. Yes, bad cho's lose extremely hard vs heroes that are very strong at lvl 1-5 (darius, riven, xin, ...). The whole point is that good cho's dont fall into that trap and know how to survive these levels without losing lane too hard (e.g. freezing lane correctly right before tower before they can push you into tower at lvl 2-3 and back real quick for a ward and a dorans, ...).
You telling him he "must be playing some pretty bad chos" makes your whole post seem stupid as bad cho's are exactly the ones who lose lane vs darius while good chos go equal (and outscale) or win it.
Darius cant do anything to cho with his skillset and any semblance of potential jungler presence in the first few levels and gets outfarmed later on, just think for a moment about their respective skillsets and cooldowns and then come up with a scenario where darius kills cho after level 5 and then think about the fact taht cho completely outscales him (especially taking into account the way both of them will have to build in this type of lane)
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On December 25 2012 11:52 pfff wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 09:44 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 25 2012 07:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Cho actually beats Darius really hard
I thought it was the other way around at first but after playing both sides pretty extensively it's Cho's lane without heavy camping
Also Vlad is doable but you have to build pure damage with the goal of bursting him before he bursts you you have to be playing some pretty bad darius then. I have hundreds of games on him and have never even come close to losing vs a cho. even if you die from a gank you will always beat him in a straight up fight unless you are underleveled. funny post although you probably dont realise it. Yes, bad cho's lose extremely hard vs heroes that are very strong at lvl 1-5 (darius, riven, xin, ...). The whole point is that good cho's dont fall into that trap and know how to survive these levels without losing lane too hard (e.g. freezing lane correctly right before tower before they can push you into tower at lvl 2-3 and back real quick for a ward and a dorans, ...). You telling him he "must be playing some pretty bad chos" makes your whole post seem stupid as bad cho's are exactly the ones who lose lane vs darius while good chos go equal (and outscale) or win it. Darius cant do anything to cho with his skillset and any semblance of potential jungler presence in the first few levels and gets outfarmed later on, just think for a moment about their respective skillsets and cooldowns and then come up with a scenario where darius kills cho after level 5 and then think about the fact taht cho completely outscales him (especially taking into account the way both of them will have to build in this type of lane)
wrong, I played at 2k+ last season and I am 1900 this season. Good chos get crushed too by my darius. If you dont start dorans blade as darius you are doing it wrong. If you want to test your cho against my darius by all means, message me and ill gladly do the matchup with you.
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On December 25 2012 12:23 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 11:52 pfff wrote:On December 25 2012 09:44 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 25 2012 07:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Cho actually beats Darius really hard
I thought it was the other way around at first but after playing both sides pretty extensively it's Cho's lane without heavy camping
Also Vlad is doable but you have to build pure damage with the goal of bursting him before he bursts you you have to be playing some pretty bad darius then. I have hundreds of games on him and have never even come close to losing vs a cho. even if you die from a gank you will always beat him in a straight up fight unless you are underleveled. funny post although you probably dont realise it. Yes, bad cho's lose extremely hard vs heroes that are very strong at lvl 1-5 (darius, riven, xin, ...). The whole point is that good cho's dont fall into that trap and know how to survive these levels without losing lane too hard (e.g. freezing lane correctly right before tower before they can push you into tower at lvl 2-3 and back real quick for a ward and a dorans, ...). You telling him he "must be playing some pretty bad chos" makes your whole post seem stupid as bad cho's are exactly the ones who lose lane vs darius while good chos go equal (and outscale) or win it. Darius cant do anything to cho with his skillset and any semblance of potential jungler presence in the first few levels and gets outfarmed later on, just think for a moment about their respective skillsets and cooldowns and then come up with a scenario where darius kills cho after level 5 and then think about the fact taht cho completely outscales him (especially taking into account the way both of them will have to build in this type of lane) wrong, I played at 2k+ last season and I am 1900 this season. Good chos get crushed too by my darius. If you dont start dorans blade as darius you are doing it wrong. If you want to test your cho against my darius by all means, message me and ill gladly do the matchup with you.
What's your summoner ID?
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On December 25 2012 12:39 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 12:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 25 2012 11:52 pfff wrote:On December 25 2012 09:44 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 25 2012 07:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Cho actually beats Darius really hard
I thought it was the other way around at first but after playing both sides pretty extensively it's Cho's lane without heavy camping
Also Vlad is doable but you have to build pure damage with the goal of bursting him before he bursts you you have to be playing some pretty bad darius then. I have hundreds of games on him and have never even come close to losing vs a cho. even if you die from a gank you will always beat him in a straight up fight unless you are underleveled. funny post although you probably dont realise it. Yes, bad cho's lose extremely hard vs heroes that are very strong at lvl 1-5 (darius, riven, xin, ...). The whole point is that good cho's dont fall into that trap and know how to survive these levels without losing lane too hard (e.g. freezing lane correctly right before tower before they can push you into tower at lvl 2-3 and back real quick for a ward and a dorans, ...). You telling him he "must be playing some pretty bad chos" makes your whole post seem stupid as bad cho's are exactly the ones who lose lane vs darius while good chos go equal (and outscale) or win it. Darius cant do anything to cho with his skillset and any semblance of potential jungler presence in the first few levels and gets outfarmed later on, just think for a moment about their respective skillsets and cooldowns and then come up with a scenario where darius kills cho after level 5 and then think about the fact taht cho completely outscales him (especially taking into account the way both of them will have to build in this type of lane) wrong, I played at 2k+ last season and I am 1900 this season. Good chos get crushed too by my darius. If you dont start dorans blade as darius you are doing it wrong. If you want to test your cho against my darius by all means, message me and ill gladly do the matchup with you. What's your summoner ID?
the one I use currently is Bin
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On December 25 2012 12:45 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 12:39 obesechicken13 wrote:On December 25 2012 12:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 25 2012 11:52 pfff wrote:On December 25 2012 09:44 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 25 2012 07:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Cho actually beats Darius really hard
I thought it was the other way around at first but after playing both sides pretty extensively it's Cho's lane without heavy camping
Also Vlad is doable but you have to build pure damage with the goal of bursting him before he bursts you you have to be playing some pretty bad darius then. I have hundreds of games on him and have never even come close to losing vs a cho. even if you die from a gank you will always beat him in a straight up fight unless you are underleveled. funny post although you probably dont realise it. Yes, bad cho's lose extremely hard vs heroes that are very strong at lvl 1-5 (darius, riven, xin, ...). The whole point is that good cho's dont fall into that trap and know how to survive these levels without losing lane too hard (e.g. freezing lane correctly right before tower before they can push you into tower at lvl 2-3 and back real quick for a ward and a dorans, ...). You telling him he "must be playing some pretty bad chos" makes your whole post seem stupid as bad cho's are exactly the ones who lose lane vs darius while good chos go equal (and outscale) or win it. Darius cant do anything to cho with his skillset and any semblance of potential jungler presence in the first few levels and gets outfarmed later on, just think for a moment about their respective skillsets and cooldowns and then come up with a scenario where darius kills cho after level 5 and then think about the fact taht cho completely outscales him (especially taking into account the way both of them will have to build in this type of lane) wrong, I played at 2k+ last season and I am 1900 this season. Good chos get crushed too by my darius. If you dont start dorans blade as darius you are doing it wrong. If you want to test your cho against my darius by all means, message me and ill gladly do the matchup with you. What's your summoner ID? the one I use currently is Bin
Oh. I was curious because I wanted to see someone who played over a 100 games as Darius and was 2k+. Your new Summoner is still unranked according to Lolking
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On December 25 2012 12:54 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 12:45 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 25 2012 12:39 obesechicken13 wrote:On December 25 2012 12:23 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 25 2012 11:52 pfff wrote:On December 25 2012 09:44 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 25 2012 07:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Cho actually beats Darius really hard
I thought it was the other way around at first but after playing both sides pretty extensively it's Cho's lane without heavy camping
Also Vlad is doable but you have to build pure damage with the goal of bursting him before he bursts you you have to be playing some pretty bad darius then. I have hundreds of games on him and have never even come close to losing vs a cho. even if you die from a gank you will always beat him in a straight up fight unless you are underleveled. funny post although you probably dont realise it. Yes, bad cho's lose extremely hard vs heroes that are very strong at lvl 1-5 (darius, riven, xin, ...). The whole point is that good cho's dont fall into that trap and know how to survive these levels without losing lane too hard (e.g. freezing lane correctly right before tower before they can push you into tower at lvl 2-3 and back real quick for a ward and a dorans, ...). You telling him he "must be playing some pretty bad chos" makes your whole post seem stupid as bad cho's are exactly the ones who lose lane vs darius while good chos go equal (and outscale) or win it. Darius cant do anything to cho with his skillset and any semblance of potential jungler presence in the first few levels and gets outfarmed later on, just think for a moment about their respective skillsets and cooldowns and then come up with a scenario where darius kills cho after level 5 and then think about the fact taht cho completely outscales him (especially taking into account the way both of them will have to build in this type of lane) wrong, I played at 2k+ last season and I am 1900 this season. Good chos get crushed too by my darius. If you dont start dorans blade as darius you are doing it wrong. If you want to test your cho against my darius by all means, message me and ill gladly do the matchup with you. What's your summoner ID? the one I use currently is Bin Oh. I was curious because I wanted to see someone who played over a 100 games as Darius and was 2k+. Your new Summoner is still unranked according to Lolking
yea lolking is glitched so you would have to log in to see that account, not that I play darius on there anyway, switched to xin.
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Dyrus's TP Darius is real scary, it expands his wtf dmg into everywhere on the map.
This champion is retardedly designed but is balanced by lack of range and mobility.
Playing Darius vs Darius in normals was one of the worst feelings I have ever experienced in this game.
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On December 25 2012 09:44 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 07:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Cho actually beats Darius really hard
I thought it was the other way around at first but after playing both sides pretty extensively it's Cho's lane without heavy camping
Also Vlad is doable but you have to build pure damage with the goal of bursting him before he bursts you you have to be playing some pretty bad darius then. I have hundreds of games on him and have never even come close to losing vs a cho. even if you die from a gank you will always beat him in a straight up fight unless you are underleveled.
Can you upload a replay of you beating a chogath in lane? Either I don't know how to do it as Darius or my Cho is just so retardedly good that I don't lose to anyone anymore.
Also, just saw the dorans start thing, that might be why you're winning. I think it leaves you pretty open for gank and if they get fb->tabi off the bat what do you do?
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On December 26 2012 09:14 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2012 09:44 VayneAuthority wrote:On December 25 2012 07:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Cho actually beats Darius really hard
I thought it was the other way around at first but after playing both sides pretty extensively it's Cho's lane without heavy camping
Also Vlad is doable but you have to build pure damage with the goal of bursting him before he bursts you you have to be playing some pretty bad darius then. I have hundreds of games on him and have never even come close to losing vs a cho. even if you die from a gank you will always beat him in a straight up fight unless you are underleveled. Can you upload a replay of you beating a chogath in lane? Either I don't know how to do it as Darius or my Cho is just so retardedly good that I don't lose to anyone anymore. Also, just saw the dorans start thing, that might be why you're winning. I think it leaves you pretty open for gank and if they get fb->tabi off the bat what do you do?
I dont use lolreplay unfortunately but since darius is such an easy character to play you are allowed to expend all your energy watching the map carefully, this separates good darius from bad darius. Be aware of your surroundings. I usually wait until either the jungler shows up in my lane or another lane and then push the lane and back(cant do that obviously if you get ganked) then you just bully the cho gath until he either calls for more ganks or has to b...take advantage of your stronger 5-9 and push him around. This isnt even taking into account my jungler. Also, It would be a blessing if I gave first blood and the cho rushed tabi, this is not season 2. rushing tabi is pretty bad...
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Hm, maybe not, it seems to win the lane pretty easily for Chogath though in my experience. You just get tanky items and Darius' dmg is so pithy that he can't really do much vs your sustain + a flask. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong here, I did initially think it was a good lane for Darius until I played it from both sides and it went to Cho. I just don't feel like I know how to engage Chogath correctly because harass gets sustained and you're suddenly oom OR you have to all-in and he's Chogath at high hp.
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