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On July 07 2012 06:41 zer0das wrote:
Dunno how you guys beat him as Teemo... I've tried, and it seems like at best I can kill him and then die to the bleed after effect. Do you have some sort of of foresight, because I feel like dodging pulls is really dicey given Teemo's range. I may be extremely unlucky though, it seems like the Darius always gets away with 10 hp or something dumb when I have the chance to kill him without dying, which seemes to happen 4-5 times a game. -_-
I will say if I get to phage I feel like I can punish him for a while, but getting there is tricky.
I don't play Teemo much, but what you do is you pop your blind as soon as he hooks, and because he won't be able to slow you with his W you can just run away (with move quick). Obviously you want to auto-attack harass him all day in lane.
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On July 06 2012 14:50 schmutttt wrote:
Teemo absolutely destroys him, and Udyr and Irelia can do fine vs him.
Assuming equal skill irelia does NOT do fine against him
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On July 07 2012 07:25 EquilasH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 06:41 zer0das wrote:
Dunno how you guys beat him as Teemo... I've tried, and it seems like at best I can kill him and then die to the bleed after effect. Do you have some sort of of foresight, because I feel like dodging pulls is really dicey given Teemo's range. I may be extremely unlucky though, it seems like the Darius always gets away with 10 hp or something dumb when I have the chance to kill him without dying, which seemes to happen 4-5 times a game. -_-
I will say if I get to phage I feel like I can punish him for a while, but getting there is tricky. I don't play Teemo much, but what you do is you pop your blind as soon as he hooks, and because he won't be able to slow you with his W you can just run away (with move quick). Obviously you want to auto-attack harass him all day in lane.
I don't think Irelia does that well against him (on stream Darius snowballs well against her, so I'd say it's at best an even matchup) and I think on hit effects still hit through blind. Blinds stop physical damage from autoattacks or onhits. It blocks no magic damage and no fully spell damage, and I don't think it stops any effects.
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^^ You eat the slow, but you win the trade (Teemo autos vs missing Darius autos), after 2-3 attacks the blind falls off and you promptly GTFO. It's not possible to avoid all the damage but you should definitely come out ahead.
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My god, I hate Darius so much. He can build mostly tank items and still dish out ridiculous amount of damage.
No escape mechanism? He doesn't NEED one, he's the predator, even when its 1v5
No good CC? Doesn't matter, he kills you before you even get a chance to really escape
Overrated laning phase? Well even if he gets shut down in lane, once he picks up a few kills from teamfights, he's gonna massacre your team.
The recent "nerf" for Darius was not even a nerf. He's still batshit insane. He's the next champ I'm gonna buy, saving my IP.
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On July 24 2012 19:40 GhostOwl wrote:
My god, I hate Darius so much. He can build mostly tank items and still dish out ridiculous amount of damage.
No escape mechanism? He doesn't NEED one, he's the predator, even when its 1v5
No good CC? Doesn't matter, he kills you before you even get a chance to really escape
Overrated laning phase? Well even if he gets shut down in lane, once he picks up a few kills from teamfights, he's gonna massacre your team.
The recent "nerf" for Darius was not even a nerf. He's still batshit insane. He's the next champ I'm gonna buy, saving my IP.
darius's damage is nothing special without damage items.
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On July 25 2012 00:00 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2012 19:40 GhostOwl wrote:
My god, I hate Darius so much. He can build mostly tank items and still dish out ridiculous amount of damage.
No escape mechanism? He doesn't NEED one, he's the predator, even when its 1v5
No good CC? Doesn't matter, he kills you before you even get a chance to really escape
Overrated laning phase? Well even if he gets shut down in lane, once he picks up a few kills from teamfights, he's gonna massacre your team.
The recent "nerf" for Darius was not even a nerf. He's still batshit insane. He's the next champ I'm gonna buy, saving my IP. darius's damage is nothing special without damage items.
I think he meant that Darius' no-damage-item damage is higher than other champions, i.e. his base damage output is on the high end of the scale. Which is true, for the most part.
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He still provides no utility in team fights and can only crush in team fights you were probably going to win anyways.
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On June 20 2012 10:26 Bladeorade wrote:
So I was playing Darius completely tooling on a Riven and everyone was really surprised as they thought Riven countered Darius and would win trades because she has a shield, a popup and a stun. I was very confused by this and am wondering if perhaps I face bad Rivens because this is not the first time I have tooled on one.
Trading as Riven against Darius doesn't work at all. The only time you can even manage to get slightly ahead is when his Q is on cool down, and even then, between his W and his rake, he still gets to Q you before you slip away, and by then, the bleeds have done their damage. Mid game to late game, Riven is much better as long as you can get a decent feed. I always encourage my jungles to hit Darius as much as possible early game, and save stuns when Darius is at low health so we can finish him before his ult. Early game is extremely difficult against Darius though. I've only ever come out even against him as Riven, never on top.
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On July 25 2012 00:10 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 00:00 Mogwai wrote:On July 24 2012 19:40 GhostOwl wrote:
My god, I hate Darius so much. He can build mostly tank items and still dish out ridiculous amount of damage.
No escape mechanism? He doesn't NEED one, he's the predator, even when its 1v5
No good CC? Doesn't matter, he kills you before you even get a chance to really escape
Overrated laning phase? Well even if he gets shut down in lane, once he picks up a few kills from teamfights, he's gonna massacre your team.
The recent "nerf" for Darius was not even a nerf. He's still batshit insane. He's the next champ I'm gonna buy, saving my IP. darius's damage is nothing special without damage items. I think he meant that Darius' no-damage-item damage is higher than other champions, i.e. his base damage output is on the high end of the scale. Which is true, for the most part.
did you read his post? it's an incoherent tirade about darius being OP as shit, which at this point is a pretty laughable stance.
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On July 25 2012 00:31 JokerSan wrote:
He still provides no utility in team fights and can only crush in team fights you were probably going to win anyways.
I wouldn't say "no" utility. Pull and slow are good sticking/peeling tools, and the threat of his ult is one of the strongest tools to make someone run away in fear. I know when I'm in a teamfight against Darius, I'll get scared at half health as long as I know his ult is up, even if I'm playing a bruiser.
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On July 25 2012 00:33 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 00:10 Requizen wrote:On July 25 2012 00:00 Mogwai wrote:On July 24 2012 19:40 GhostOwl wrote:
My god, I hate Darius so much. He can build mostly tank items and still dish out ridiculous amount of damage.
No escape mechanism? He doesn't NEED one, he's the predator, even when its 1v5
No good CC? Doesn't matter, he kills you before you even get a chance to really escape
Overrated laning phase? Well even if he gets shut down in lane, once he picks up a few kills from teamfights, he's gonna massacre your team.
The recent "nerf" for Darius was not even a nerf. He's still batshit insane. He's the next champ I'm gonna buy, saving my IP. darius's damage is nothing special without damage items. I think he meant that Darius' no-damage-item damage is higher than other champions, i.e. his base damage output is on the high end of the scale. Which is true, for the most part. did you read his post? it's an incoherent tirade about darius being OP as shit, which at this point is a pretty laughable stance.
I was more responding to the first line. While he's not doing AD levels of damage with pure tank items, he's still more damaging than most full tank-item champions.
I would never agree that he's OP, though. He's ban material against certain tops, that's for sure, but there are plenty of top/jungle combos that can camp him and make him useless. There are some that are just double kill material, sure, but most of the time I feel safe going up and ganking him, knowing that he can't run.
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I kind of first hated him when he first came out and I tried him, but now I like him a lot more. I suppose it was because I was trying to build and play him like Riven, straight AD and trying to dance around. Instead, I just embraced the dunk that was within myself. And it feels good.
Mainly play him out of the jungle. I thought it would be painful and bad, but a core of Merc/Wriggle/Phage/Aegis is actually pretty easy to get and very effective on him. I've been skipping HoG since the nerf, but may consider it in games where my team is pushing too hard for me to be effective in ganks and I just want to farm and pressure.
I've also been considering running a page of AD red/Armor yellow/MR blue/MS quints to help his roam and ganks, since mobility is his big lacking point. Effective, or should I just do AD/Armor/MR quints depending on the matchup?
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On July 25 2012 00:40 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2012 00:33 Mogwai wrote:On July 25 2012 00:10 Requizen wrote:On July 25 2012 00:00 Mogwai wrote:On July 24 2012 19:40 GhostOwl wrote:
My god, I hate Darius so much. He can build mostly tank items and still dish out ridiculous amount of damage.
No escape mechanism? He doesn't NEED one, he's the predator, even when its 1v5
No good CC? Doesn't matter, he kills you before you even get a chance to really escape
Overrated laning phase? Well even if he gets shut down in lane, once he picks up a few kills from teamfights, he's gonna massacre your team.
The recent "nerf" for Darius was not even a nerf. He's still batshit insane. He's the next champ I'm gonna buy, saving my IP. darius's damage is nothing special without damage items. I think he meant that Darius' no-damage-item damage is higher than other champions, i.e. his base damage output is on the high end of the scale. Which is true, for the most part. did you read his post? it's an incoherent tirade about darius being OP as shit, which at this point is a pretty laughable stance. I was more responding to the first line. While he's not doing AD levels of damage with pure tank items, he's still more damaging than most full tank-item champions. I would never agree that he's OP, though. He's ban material against certain tops, that's for sure, but there are plenty of top/jungle combos that can camp him and make him useless. There are some that are just double kill material, sure, but most of the time I feel safe going up and ganking him, knowing that he can't run.
Olaf can build Frozen Heart/Shurelya/Randuin's and reach 40 CDR, at which point he has 360 true damage at a very low CD. His W gives him free AD, spellvamp and lifesteal and his Q is pretty good too, although hard to really generalize due to the pick-up/line-aoe/slow/skillshot/etc. mechanics. This is a lot more damage than Darius can dish out. Once you give Darius some offensive items, however, he starts dealing more damage (mostly due to his passive).
In fact, there are many champions that deal a lot of damage without (m)any offensive items. Cho'Gath does a fair amount, so does Galio, Malphite and even Amumu.
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what's everyones regular build on darius?
im going boots, hog, frozen mallet, randuins, force of nature, bloodthirster, GA. GA before bt sometimes. i find the other team likes to target darius lol. with these items i get extremely tanky. i dont really feel the need to build a damage item early, although ive never tried it. maybe i should. just tanking everything and ulting people when appropriate seems to be working real well.
darius is a blast. might try to main him for awhile, he does get banned occasionally tho. now i see why mogwai loves the dunk so much, it never gets old.
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Is there any melee champion that can win Darius in lane phase? Or you must get jungler's help to abuse the fact that he has no escape skills?
Is there any items you should build against Darius? I feel that armour is not helping much, as the bleeding + ult still kill you.
If one can only only choose Jayce or other ranged top to counter him, it will limit the team composition too much.
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On October 09 2012 11:47 DarkwindHK wrote:
Is there any melee champion that can win Darius in lane phase? Or you must get jungler's help to abuse the fact that he has no escape skills?
Is there any items you should build against Darius? I feel that armour is not helping much, as the bleeding + ult still kill you.
If one can only only choose Jayce or other ranged top to counter him, it will limit the team composition too much.
Nunu pretty good, Smash's build, walk on darius, see him cry all day ... or rage quit >_>
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On October 09 2012 20:07 CardG wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 11:47 DarkwindHK wrote:
Is there any melee champion that can win Darius in lane phase? Or you must get jungler's help to abuse the fact that he has no escape skills?
Is there any items you should build against Darius? I feel that armour is not helping much, as the bleeding + ult still kill you.
If one can only only choose Jayce or other ranged top to counter him, it will limit the team composition too much. Nunu pretty good, Smash's build, walk on darius, see him cry all day ... or rage quit >_>
wats the smash build?
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9-21-0, split pen marks, armor yellows, MR blues, AP quints. boots +2 hp pots + 1 mana pot, steal a bit from their jungle (if blue side and their jungler starts blue) or take your golems (if purple side and your jungler starts blue), build either 2 drings or philo+kage, then core of chalice+glacial shroud+hextech revolver, into grail/FH/wota. R>E>Q>W, spam iceballs, trade when consume's up. Against Darius you E him and nom a creep whenever he pulls you, E him the rest of the time and just zone him from creeps via harass+sustain.
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