On June 17 2012 08:15 Sven Stryker wrote: 40+30+45+40= nothing
Darius has 312.5 mana at level 3 when he could first cast that combo. That nothing is 155 mana, which is half of his level 3 mana bar. At level 5, which is the last time he'd use that combo without having Ult, it'd be 155/387.5 or 40% of his mana. Level 6 and onward, you'd want to keep another 100 mana available for Darius's Ult.
Compare it to jax. At level 3 a full combo: -> Q->W->E costs 165 mana, while he has 300 mana at level 3. One less ability than darius, less damage and more relative and absolute mana than him. Heck even just E->Q which is what you sometimes need to get away from him costs 135 mana which is more than the 115 mana from a darius full combo.
My point is that the problem with darius is not his damage or the fact that you can't build full defense against him. The problem with him is that everyone will get into mana issues by just trying to trade with him, getting away from him or trying to sustain against him.
Energy champions like shen run into the same problem because you actually become energy starved while all he has to do is land 40 mana nukes whose cost doesn't scale at all. If they made him a manaless champion with just cooldowns like riven i doubt there would be much difference at all vs him in lane.
look at riven's mana cost effectiveness, then come back in here and tell that to me with a straight face.
I played against this guy for the first time with some friends and 2 randoms. Damn does his ult hit hard I understand his problems, vulnerability to ganks and lategame maneuverability, but if having to play around a 780 true damage nuke at 20 minutes isn't "antifun" what is lol Was waiting to zhonyas and went "wtf" when he pwned me so hard lolol
yea this champion is ultra retarded he can build 100% tank and still rapes me with ult in 1 hit ~50% hp no fucking idea how riot thought its a good idea, on top of that his laning phase is very strong he basically annihilates every melee bruiser 1v1 and loses only to specific counters like kennen or kayle, sometimes it doesnt matter anyway because he can roam and catch up on kills
He is a well established pubstomper imo Interesting design. Im not sure how wide the cone on his grab is, but if its any significant width i wonder how you can counterplay that (horizontal jukes without jumps would be impossible against a competent darius) if you can't fight them straight up
Wondering how Darius does against Singed at higher elo. Whenever I play singed against a darius it never seems that tough. If he ever pulls you in you just turn on your poison and fling him and it seems they always end up taking more damage then they dish out. I suppose early on Darius could be a pain in the ass for Singed but if your jungler comes early enough with your poison + fling + slow it usually always makes for a dead Darius. Worst case he blows his summoners and then ends up playing a lot more passive.
Might be just that the Dariusses at my level suck, but as an olaf i never had problems with darius... soften him up with my axe and when he used up his potions, go in and punch him in the face from close range. I usually get my Axe (Q) to level 3 to harass him more easily (after 1W & 1E) and then max E after and he never even gets close to standing a chance, so he'll end up being so far behind that he doesn't matter anymore in teamfights.
You usually can't go full melee against Darius but he has neither a sustain, gap-closer nor an escape, so if you can harass and cs from a distance he can't do anything about it and then you just go in and kill him when he's too weak. Repeat that a few times and he'll be a sad panda and go afk because his team is raging at him.
well i spactate quite alot recommended games and basically everytime darius is in a game sombody complains he is broken and those arent random 800 elo scrubs but 2.1k+++ players
On June 19 2012 23:27 kongoline wrote: well i spactate quite alot recommended games and basically everytime darius is in a game sombody complains he is broken and those arent random 800 elo scrubs but 2.1k+++ players
Dyrus didn't know Ahri's Q deals true damage, and he plays in one of the top teams worldwide. Just because someone is good at executing certain stuff and has a good overall understanding of the game and tons of experience doesn't mean he knows all it's intricacies. I mean, look at SilSol. It's insanely hard to judge champion balance correctly, especially when you're mad about getting rolled by a certain champ.
On June 19 2012 23:27 kongoline wrote: well i spactate quite alot recommended games and basically everytime darius is in a game sombody complains he is broken and those arent random 800 elo scrubs but 2.1k+++ players
Dyrus didn't know Ahri's Q deals true damage, and he plays in one of the top teams worldwide. Just because someone is good at executing certain stuff and has a good overall understanding of the game and tons of experience doesn't mean he knows all it's intricacies. I mean, look at SilSol. It's insanely hard to judge champion balance correctly, especially when you're mad about getting rolled by a certain champ.
not realy i dont see them complain at any other champion even half as much, this guy is toxic to play against for both teams, im 100% sure he will be tweaked in near future im just annoyed it takes so long
On June 19 2012 23:27 kongoline wrote: well i spactate quite alot recommended games and basically everytime darius is in a game sombody complains he is broken and those arent random 800 elo scrubs but 2.1k+++ players
Dyrus didn't know Ahri's Q deals true damage, and he plays in one of the top teams worldwide. Just because someone is good at executing certain stuff and has a good overall understanding of the game and tons of experience doesn't mean he knows all it's intricacies. I mean, look at SilSol. It's insanely hard to judge champion balance correctly, especially when you're mad about getting rolled by a certain champ.
not realy i dont see them complain at any other champion even half as much, this guy is toxic to play against for both teams, im 100% sure he will be tweaked in near future im just annoyed it takes so long
So because YOU don't hear other people complaining about different champions as much, he has to be broken? How full of yourself are you? You, much like every one else casually playing this game, know a fraction of what people are complaining about. You have a limited input. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean the complaints about other champions don't exist. I personally haven't seen a complaint about Darius in a good while because people start figuring out how he works and what works against him. The way I perceive this community, there's been much more hatred directed towards Alistar, Blitzcrank, Nautilus, Kennen. Now that might be true or not, but just because I see them as stronger champs doesn't mean they need to be fixed.
On June 19 2012 23:27 kongoline wrote: well i spactate quite alot recommended games and basically everytime darius is in a game sombody complains he is broken and those arent random 800 elo scrubs but 2.1k+++ players
Dyrus didn't know Ahri's Q deals true damage, and he plays in one of the top teams worldwide. Just because someone is good at executing certain stuff and has a good overall understanding of the game and tons of experience doesn't mean he knows all it's intricacies. I mean, look at SilSol. It's insanely hard to judge champion balance correctly, especially when you're mad about getting rolled by a certain champ.
not realy i dont see them complain at any other champion even half as much, this guy is toxic to play against for both teams, im 100% sure he will be tweaked in near future im just annoyed it takes so long
Do you think you could think through your problems with darius and lay them out? As it is now, all I'm hearing is anecdotal evidence basically saying that you don't like him and some unnamed pros don't either. That makes it kinda hard to respond to in any reasonable fashion.
I don't think there's a single champion in the game that's even close to as toxic to play as Kog Maw and Karthus, I believe those two champions are the most problematic by a long long shot.
Darius does a lot of damage outside of his ult. Yes he is motivated to "KS," but he's not as reliant on chaining ults as Katarina is on voracity chaining, so I don't really see the problem.
IDK what I'm doing so wrong that I suck with Darius. Everytime I play him I lose lane, every time I play against him I completely crush the lane (lolol FP Dariuses in ranked). Honestly I get the feeling like a wasted 6.3k IP on a champ everyone but me thinks is OP.
Using MS quints, AD reds, armor yellows, and mr/lvl blues. Building mercs, dblade(s), phage, and hexdrinker, into whatever I think I'll need.
E: For the record I also couldn't play mordekaiser or garen if my life depended on it.
On June 20 2012 02:02 Offhand wrote: IDK what I'm doing so wrong that I suck with Darius. Everytime I play him I lose lane, every time I play against him I completely crush the lane (lolol FP Dariuses in ranked). Honestly I get the feeling like a wasted 6.3k IP on a champ everyone but me thinks is OP.
Using MS quints, AD reds, armor yellows, and mr/lvl blues. Building mercs, dblade(s), phage, and hexdrinker, into whatever I think I'll need.
E: For the record I also couldn't play mordekaiser or garen if my life depended on it.
There's a whole OP about how to spec and play the character and you're giving no specific problem. I dunno what sort of response you're looking for.
On June 20 2012 02:08 Offhand wrote: ^^ I lose every trade against literally every other champ. It doesn't make sense.
if you're using my spec and losing trades, you're doing it wrong, period, idk what to tell you. You're not saying anything about which champs, and how you're playing it, you're just giving vague problems that I have no answer for because your general experiences directly contradict mine.
A lot of his dps in lane comes from his passive bleeding out your health and making him one of if not the worst person to trade with. lategame he falls off almost completely if your building ad. This "Press R for victory" is completely blown out of proportion and doesn't make sense at all if you've ever played him. Hes horrid at late game for a few reasons.
He has no mobility and no real cc other then a 20% slow off of his w that doesn't get used at the beginning of a teamfight in order to have any relevance on it at all. that means he has a aoe cone that doesn't do any damage other then procing his passive and a q that is good for aoe damage. if he builds attack damage then hes going to get bursted down from the onset of the teamfight making his r an impotent spell that would be an alright normal spell on anyone else. if he doesn't build a lot of ad then it doesn't scale to any real degree and won't win games for anything.
He has a fantastic design. Imagine other champs like yorick, akali, and cait. They're designed to win lanes and do a ton of damage in the early game to gain an advantage to be relevant in the lategame. Any major disruption to the early game that cause's them to not excel at the early game (for darius that is being ganked or not being able to trade against his lane enemy) then there is little for them to do anymore other then be bait and die.
Quite simply, Darius wins lanes but he does not win games.
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