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On June 08 2012 16:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
So my friend (1200 elo pro status) went up against AP Yi as Darius. Heals through everything (in other words, doesn't get low enough that true damage ulti will kill him) and farms easy as hell, incidental damage to Darius when he tries to farm from Alpha Strike.
(I don't think this actually works at a high level, but still I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING)
I would imagine that lane going something like
Yi alphas on a creep.
Darius accepts getting hit by alpha and runs towards said creep
Yi re-appears and gets slowed->auto->Q
Tries to meditate, promptly gets pulled out of it, tries to run, gets slowed/Q'd again
At some point, Yi starts dying uncontrollably and rage quits.
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On June 08 2012 16:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
So my friend (1200 elo pro status) went up against AP Yi as Darius. Heals through everything (in other words, doesn't get low enough that true damage ulti will kill him) and farms easy as hell, incidental damage to Darius when he tries to farm from Alpha Strike.
(I don't think this actually works at a high level, but still I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING)
Save pull for heal
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On June 08 2012 22:03 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 16:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
So my friend (1200 elo pro status) went up against AP Yi as Darius. Heals through everything (in other words, doesn't get low enough that true damage ulti will kill him) and farms easy as hell, incidental damage to Darius when he tries to farm from Alpha Strike.
(I don't think this actually works at a high level, but still I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING) Save pull for heal
Yeah I was too busy learning Naut jungle to think about ways my friend could've stopped him.
Ugh, now I sound like a huge nub.
I'm just going to leave this thread gracefully and accept that NOTHING CAN BE DONE
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What about Cho'Gath? He seems to turn the lane into a farming one from my experience. Silence and knockup can just disrupt his combo, and he's obviously just tanky in general.
Or does he get dunked as well?
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dunked. I beat on BouncingChest's cho gath in lane the 1 time I've played it and I consider him probably the best Cho atm. The lane ended up being semi-evenish because of fed Riven ganks, but I know that left to their own devices, Darius will dunk on him hard.
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I've been playing AD nid against Darius with a lot success in solo que with arp reds, AD quints, and armor yellows and blues. You can start zoning with auto attacks at level 1 and heal back his Q harrass. He gets set way too far behind and the lane becomes unwinnable for him unless he gets a lot of ganks.
It seems to work pretty well, but it could be because i'm only in the mid1600's
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against ranged champs I just open E. All you need is to get on top of them and let your passive do the rest.
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On June 09 2012 06:16 Mogwai wrote:
against ranged champs I just open E. All you need is to get on top of them and let your passive do the rest.
That's.... brutal.. I don't know if/how I could even play against that on nid at level 1. Every Darius i've faced just skills Q no matter what
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Cait's probably fine though. Her range is 650 AA vs Darius' 550 spell range and she has an instant blink. I've said this before, but caitlyn is kinda like the safest pick in the game. She counters so many champions in a 1v1 lane: standing toe to toe with urgot, beating all the AD's, and all the melees that I can think of, as well as a few of the APs, and going even against most champs, falling off midgame, to become a force late game.
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On June 09 2012 08:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
Cait's probably fine though. Her range is 650 AA vs Darius' 550 spell range and she has an instant blink. I've said this before, but caitlyn is kinda like the safest pick in the game. She counters so many champions in a 1v1 lane: standing toe to toe with urgot, beating all the AD's, and all the melees that I can think of, as well as a few of the APs, and going even against most champs, falling off midgame, to become a force late game.
Yeah i'm sure cait is fine in lane, but outside of the lane you have to deal with the fact that you're playing caitlyn..
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On June 09 2012 08:08 Perplex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 08:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
Cait's probably fine though. Her range is 650 AA vs Darius' 550 spell range and she has an instant blink. I've said this before, but caitlyn is kinda like the safest pick in the game. She counters so many champions in a 1v1 lane: standing toe to toe with urgot, beating all the AD's, and all the melees that I can think of, as well as a few of the APs, and going even against most champs, falling off midgame, to become a force late game. Yeah i'm sure cait is fine in lane, but outside of the lane you have to deal with the fact that you're playing caitlyn..
Who scales much better than Taric.
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I just tried Darius vs some bots. I dunno. I don't see that wtf insane damage you guys are. He's fun to play though. Also I was getting kills all game long. It's not that Darius doesn't always contribute to damaging a champion. He does. His ult scales on hemorage stacks and he needs 5 to max out the ult. It's just that unless the enemy champ gets one shotted, Darius is always going to get the kill. (3 members of my bad team had 2 kills while I had 25) That's BS and I'm angry the Riot team decided to keep it.
Things I learned:
Q>W
I guess I just couldn't land the second W even after reducing it's cooldown with hemorrhage stacks because I would get CC's first. It might work if I had rushed mallet or used my bilgewater better.
His sustain isn't great. At least not with just a bilgewater cutlass.
If he misses his E he's screwed against ranged champs for 22 seconds.
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The thing is you scale a lot worse than others on your team, if you dunk everyone then it's just not good in the long run.
In some lanes vs ranged champs, I max E over W so that you get screwed for less time.
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Dunking everyone may not be good in the long run, but if your stuff allows you to put your dot faster then you can throw 700 true damage on them easily.
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On June 09 2012 08:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
Cait's probably fine though. Her range is 650 AA vs Darius' 550 spell range and she has an instant blink. I've said this before, but caitlyn is kinda like the safest pick in the game. She counters so many champions in a 1v1 lane: standing toe to toe with urgot, beating all the AD's, and all the melees that I can think of, as well as a few of the APs, and going even against most champs, falling off midgame, to become a force late game.
I agree, though I wouldn't exactly call caitlyn's net-throw instant. Her problems top are mostly related to 300 movespeed and junglers showing up.
Her net throw is probably slow enough that if you tried using it when Darius is like a step away from being close enough to E you, he would get the E off before you move away via net. It's really obnoxious.
And once he's on you... you're just dead. God forbid the enemy team has a maokai jungle or something else that will ensure that darius can get on you.
I feel like Kennen or similar would have the best time against him. Harass from range but if he does grab you, you can stun & run to win the trade.
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Heh, I don't see anything beating Darius in lane, maybe Cait and Kennen can farm safely against him, but I tried playing Nidalee and got murdered (auto range too low  ). Not sure what to do, permaban him for the next few weeks?
I'm a Kayle player, so I wanted to try her, but Hook outranges her E, so Kayle would have to bait hook, run out, and then Q/E Trade, which would probably lead to her taking more damage than Darius.
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Yeah... I'm a nidalee player too and I haven't a clue what to do against him. Even cloth5 doesn't feel very good against him, the best I've come up with is boots, harass him hard at 1 if he opens Q (they all do... E first would be scary) and try to keep him low enough to be afraid of going all-in against me.
I feel like it's only working because I'm decent with nidalee and I'm playing against free-week dariuses (Darii?) who don't know what they're doing. Also as long as they keep building damage items and have no big tanky items post-6, I can harass them low enough from range that when they grab me, i can catform+ignite them and usually win.
I don't like teemo, so I was hoping to find another option for vs. Darius. Until then, I'll keep banning him. Nobody has complained about my request to ban him so far anyway.
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On June 12 2012 03:26 HughMyron wrote:Heh, I don't see anything beating Darius in lane, maybe Cait and Kennen can farm safely against him, but I tried playing Nidalee and got murdered (auto range too low ). Not sure what to do, permaban him for the next few weeks?
he might not have much more in the way of nerfs coming. learn teemo and kayle and call for ganks when you need them. drag the game past 30 minutes and go nuts.
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On June 12 2012 03:48 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 03:26 HughMyron wrote:Heh, I don't see anything beating Darius in lane, maybe Cait and Kennen can farm safely against him, but I tried playing Nidalee and got murdered (auto range too low ). Not sure what to do, permaban him for the next few weeks? he might not have much more in the way of nerfs coming. learn teemo and kayle and call for ganks when you need them. drag the game past 30 minutes and go nuts.
Sadly, I think you're right huehuehue.
Knowing Riot though, they'll probably change Bleed to Physical (The Irelia treatment)
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On June 12 2012 03:50 HughMyron wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 03:48 Mogwai wrote:On June 12 2012 03:26 HughMyron wrote:Heh, I don't see anything beating Darius in lane, maybe Cait and Kennen can farm safely against him, but I tried playing Nidalee and got murdered (auto range too low ). Not sure what to do, permaban him for the next few weeks? he might not have much more in the way of nerfs coming. learn teemo and kayle and call for ganks when you need them. drag the game past 30 minutes and go nuts. Sadly, I think you're right huehuehue. Knowing Riot though, they'll probably change Bleed to Physical (The Irelia treatment)
right, the irelia treatment that still leaves her with more repeatable true damage than you can shake a stick at. yep, totally killed that character -_-. Irelia's still stupid strong and scales harder than any other bruiser in the game. If you give Darius that treatment, it's gg for him because he'll never be able to compete with 75 true damage/attack + 6 second base CD dash + 8 second CD stun/slow.
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