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[Champion] Darius - Page 9
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
also, I just dunked a teemo on stream, get on my level. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Got it. Haha. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On June 08 2012 09:15 Shikyo wrote: Nidalee vs Darius really lame, auto from outside range all day, if you happen to get a pull off somehow she'll just turn into cougar and leap away and heal it all back up, etc. pull her and instadunk, gg nid, gg. basically it kinda sucks until phage, then it's like, okish, then you get mallet and gg nid, gg. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 08 2012 09:24 Mogwai wrote: pull her and instadunk, gg nid, gg. basically it kinda sucks until phage, then it's like, okish, then you get mallet and gg nid, gg. But she doesn't get instadunked at least by me, that leap just lets her get away and by the next time I get E (Which is like 30s or whatever the cd is) she's full hp again o_O All I can get in is W, Q and that's not enough... I could ulti if I do it before Q I guess but she's never been that low | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 08 2012 09:28 Shikyo wrote: But she doesn't get instadunked at least by me, that leap just lets her get away and by the next time I get E (Which is like 30s or whatever the cd is) she's full hp again o_O All I can get in is W, Q and that's not enough... I could ulti if I do it before Q I guess but she's never been that low if she times it right, she can leap through your pull anyway. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 08 2012 09:32 Mogwai wrote: ok, if she's playing on 0 lag with superhuman reactions, she can GG your grab, sure, otherwise it's just a prediction thing, which can be baited. It's really easy to do actually. ALL of Darius's animations save his Q at certain angles are super broadcasted, you can react to all of them since his damage point is so bad, though his Q is fast enough you can only flash out to avoid taking damage, no dash/jump will work. Now if you have alot of lag, yeah you get screwed, but with 70-100 ping i've been able to do it 9/10 times with renekton, hell i've even flashed out of his W animation to avoid being slowed. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On June 08 2012 09:37 PrinceXizor wrote: It's really easy to do actually. ALL of Darius's animations save his Q at certain angles are super broadcasted, you can react to all of them since his damage point is so bad, though his Q is fast enough you can only flash out to avoid taking damage, no dash/jump will work. Now if you have alot of lag, yeah you get screwed, but with 70-100 ping i've been able to do it 9/10 times with renekton, hell i've even flashed out of his W animation to avoid being slowed. you're predicting, not reacting, if you wanna play I'll teach you about baiting dashes :p. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 08 2012 09:55 Shikyo wrote: Yeah that nidalee i played vs was really bad and she managed to cougar-leap every single time right after just my W and I doubt I screwed up such an easy combo so many times <_> the Q barely hits at the edge and sometimes doesn't what i'm talking about isn't leaping after the pull. It's using the way that forced movement works in the game, where the second applied forced movement always wins, it's the reason you can condemn a person who was just headbutted back and they only move slightly for the headbutt and all the way for the condemn. if you put your forced movement on top of the pull, you just move away instead of be pulled in at all. If you do it correctly you actually start to get pulled back a little, and then dash/leap/flash/ect out. and mogwai, i press E with renekton when darius lifts his halbred thing over his head as he does every time he tries to pull. apparently thats predicting, i didn't know. i assumed since i was taking a cue from his .7 second long animation it would be called reacting. Also i'm not saying the people i play vs are better than your opponent's. I am saying i am better vs Darius than your opponents. Because they don't know the matchups and how to abuse darius's huge flaws. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On June 08 2012 10:00 PrinceXizor wrote: what i'm talking about isn't leaping after the pull. It's using the way that forced movement works in the game, where the second applied forced movement always wins, it's the reason you can condemn a person who was just headbutted back and they only move slightly for the headbutt and all the way for the condemn. if you put your forced movement on top of the pull, you just move away instead of be pulled in at all. If you do it correctly you actually start to get pulled back a little, and then dash/leap/flash/ect out. and mogwai, i press E with renekton when darius lifts his halbred thing over his head as he does every time he tries to pull. apparently thats predicting, i didn't know. i assumed since i was taking a queue from his .7 second long animation it would be called reacting. Also i'm not saying the people i play vs are better than your opponent's. I am saying i am better vs Darius than your opponents. Because they don't know the matchups and how to abuse darius's huge flaws. Smash vs Xizor grudge match gogo | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 08 2012 10:00 PrinceXizor wrote: what i'm talking about isn't leaping after the pull. It's using the way that forced movement works in the game, where the second applied forced movement always wins, it's the reason you can condemn a person who was just headbutted back and they only move slightly for the headbutt and all the way for the condemn. if you put your forced movement on top of the pull, you just move away instead of be pulled in at all. If you do it correctly you actually start to get pulled back a little, and then dash/leap/flash/ect out. and mogwai, i press E with renekton when darius lifts his halbred thing over his head as he does every time he tries to pull. apparently thats predicting, i didn't know. i assumed since i was taking a queue from his .7 second long animation it would be called reacting. Also i'm not saying the people i play vs are better than your opponent's. I am saying i am better vs Darius than your opponents. Because they don't know the matchups and how to abuse darius's huge flaws. That's really useful information, I'll try to make some use of it | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Yeah I dunno dude, seems really friggin' unlikely that you can react to an animation that quickly, but what do I know. 1V1 GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGGOGO | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 08 2012 11:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah I dunno dude, seems really friggin' unlikely that you can react to an animation that quickly, but what do I know. 1V1 GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGGOGO if it was any animations but a few in the game i'd agree, but darius has absolutely terrible animations. I respect smash, but his views on darius are super biased by his ability to play aggressive top lanes, and the fact that people are unfamiliar with darius. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 08 2012 12:59 chalice wrote: are you absolutely sure that your views aren't biased by the fact that the people you play against are much worse that mogwai? well, no, because I'm not talking about how much i shit on darius's. i'm talking about how easy it is to prevent darius's damage, on reaction. I'm talking in regards to the player, not in regards to the opponent. Smash is talking about beating everyone he plays, i'm giving techniques and advice on how to shut down a character, not a player. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
Regarding the Nid matchup...well any matchup tbh, if you don't start dunking on people asap then you're gonna have a bad time. So regarding Nid, you should be winning your lane asap and by the time she gets her 6 you should be ahead to the point where it doesnt matter if you can't land every single combo. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
(I don't think this actually works at a high level, but still I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING) | ||
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