[Champion] Kayle - Page 5

On June 15 2012 18:43 HughMyron wrote:
What do you do in Kayle vs. Kennen? You can't really be aggressive against him, it's just too easy for him to derp you with Q/W/E, so I just max E and shove wave to tower over and over. I still eat some autoattack harass and crap sometimes tho, Kennen lanes are soooo annoying

When should you (Kayle) go into shove the caster creeps? After killing the melee ones, or before? If I go behind the creepline I sometimes find myself eating harass, but if I were to wait until the melee creeps were dead, I could hide in the caster creeps and use them to dodge Qs.

On August 04 2012 05:29 jacosajh wrote:
I just kite him and make sure any chance he has of an engage, I'm near minions. If he engages, dodge what you can of HSS, slow him, and start trading. Once he uses his W, he doesn't have any escapes or gap closers (except Flash) for a while.

On August 04 2012 05:52 sylverfyre wrote:


And what happens when he just chucks spears at you all day? His spear toss is longer range than you with E on, and has an extremely short cooldown. He also will be blocking autos from you. It's a pretty bad lane for Kayle. Pantheon doesn't NEED to engage to zone you, you have low base armor and buying more of it is not really part of your core. He can just last hit creeps to charge his passive shield, toss spears at you and walk into bush out of your E range whenever its on.

Pantheon is probably one of Kayle's worst lanes. Pantheon doesn't care about whether he can auto you much in trades, he blocks your first auto, his base MS is much higher than yours, his Q hits like a truck and has a very short CD. HSS is nearly finished by the time the stun releases - "dodging" it doesn't really happen.


Open cloth 5 (turn it into Ninja Tabi. Yeah, you have to give up zerker greaves. deal.) and ideally, a heavy armor runepage. Give up CS early til lane starts pushing and farm as best you can near/under turret. Chug potions and he's forced to respond with mana potions. If you're farming near your turret (better than under it) then he's VERY VERY vulnerable to ganks. You aren't going to out-trade Spear Shot on your own, just chug pots and keep your health up so that when there IS a jungle gank, you aren't forcing your jungler to 1v1 pantheon due to your own low health. (That's a good way to feed a juicy buff to pantheon.) Pantheon's only real escape is to W to your jungler and flash from there. If you land your slow on him, he's going to have a very hard time getting away from a jungler - even one like shyvana with no innate CC.

As long as you aren't dying to him and getting at least a reasonable amount of farm (i'd say like 75-80% of Pantheon's CS) then you're doing fine in your lane - as long as your team doesn't feed him when he goes to ulti gank (make ABSOLUTE sure they know when he's MIA) then you can win, because he drops off BIGTIME in the late game.

On August 04 2012 06:14 barbsq wrote:


I think this is the single greatest misconception about pantheon. It makes a little bit of sense in comparison to kayle, since kayle is effectively a ranged carry, so yeah, one could argue that he doesn't scale as well as her, but he doesn't just drop off the map when he goes into the late game. He has 2 very high-scaling skills on very low cooldown (1.4 of total AD on ss, 2.1 with crit, and 3.6 on 3 ticks of HSS) and enormous long-range mobility. I don't know why this idea of panth just disappearing in the late game still persists, but I suspect it's just due to people just sucking with him more than anything else.

anyways, sorry for going a bit off topic. I will say that panth vs kayle is a pretty shitty matchup for kayle when i've played it. (not that that helps kayle players, but w/e)

On August 04 2012 11:18 Bladeorade wrote:
I haven't been playing much Kayle lately since shortly after her resurge Malphite became popular and he tools on her in lane, also people were picking Udyr more often who is just an unmovable cunt unless you get jungler help early to get ahead. And now with Nunu being popular I see very little reason to play Kayle top when so many popular tops just wreck her at the moment. As soon ad Nunu is nerfed/falls out of favor she will be fine as Malphite is pretty much permaban.

On August 05 2012 01:47 sylverfyre wrote:

Kayle shouldn't mind udyr being an immovable object. Farm farm farm, and soon you become an unstoppable force. With some ward coverage you can just shove him under turret and once you have IE (or earlier, if you feel like it) go ahead and take out the turret. Kayle wins the farm war easily and can keep udyr off of her unless he's gonna flash bearslap you.

On August 05 2012 01:56 obesechicken13 wrote:

Also I feel like max turtle udyr is weak levels 1->9 because he's a half assed tank, 10->13 since he's only maxed one damage skill, or 14->18 because that's the time the AP's and AD's start to overtake him. Udyr is pretty bad when played as a tank since he doesn't get as much tankiness as Galio's W and he doesn't get as much CC as Galio's R. I had this discussion in the udyr thread and I think a lot of people said to try playing udyr as a tanky dps.

Tl;DR, max turtle udyr is bad.

On August 05 2012 02:02 arb wrote:

isn't that how you play him top..? as a tanky dps. If you arent maxing turtle good luck winning almost any lane without any reasonable sustain

On August 05 2012 02:05 obesechicken13 wrote:

Nah I usually jungle udyr. I try to max tiger and phoenix now. There's a recent guide on solomid that also does jungle udyr with max Q and R http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=30605
I don't feel like he loses much sustain since he clears faster and therefore takes less damage from creeps.
I don't see the point in running udyr top if you have to max turtle first.

On August 05 2012 01:56 obesechicken13 wrote:

Also I feel like max turtle udyr is weak levels 1->9 because he's a half assed tank, 10->13 since he's only maxed one damage skill, or 14->18 because that's the time the AP's and AD's start to overtake him. Udyr is pretty bad when played as a tank since he doesn't get as much tankiness as Galio's W and he doesn't get as much CC as Galio's R. I had this discussion in the udyr thread and I think a lot of people said to try playing udyr as a tanky dps.

Tl;DR, max turtle udyr is bad.

On August 04 2012 07:09 Bladeorade wrote:
Don't pick Kayle into Pantheon. Easy as that lol. Pantheon trucks AD carries which is what Kayle is.

Worst case scenario push lane as hard as you can as much as you can and roam. But pantheon's ult fucks that too.

On August 05 2012 13:45 sung_moon wrote:


Lol I was dumb and picked Kayle while they still had two picks left. Only had like 3-4 top champs and wanted to have some fun.

Also I see ppl doing this funky all AS build running D-Blade-less Malady/Wit's End/Nashor's etc. While I almost always get Wit's End, I don't know about Malady/Tooth. Rather spend that on a quicker cleaver/IE/Trifoce.

Seem's interesting though.